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MrAnderson
11-07-2006, 15:02
So let begin with the "long time lurker" thing. I've been watching this forum for ages, got lots of inspiration off you fine artists. Now I've decided after about a four year absence where I've just painted whatever I wanted without actually putting thought into army building, I've decided to make a rules legal army again. However I wanted it to be a modelling and painting challege, using as little standard GW models as possible.

I quickly decided on an Imperial Guard army with a difference. I wanted a cross between a medieval world look and a First World War look. With this in mind I scavenged a number of Cadian arms I had lying around and then bought these off ebay:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/bags.jpg

Two bags of Bretonnian Men-At-Arms. Perfect.

I promptly opened one up and took out the pieces that I would need:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/bits.jpg

With a snip-snip here and a snip-snip there I tried to get Cadian arms to fit onto the body of the Man-At-Arms. This was going to be more difficult than I anticipated:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/guard3.jpg

However! Not to be disheartened. There was a solution!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/greenstuff.jpg

MrAnderson
11-07-2006, 15:02
And a couple of minutes later:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/guard2.jpg

The arms looked a little out of preportion, but I concluded that seeing that this is an Imperial Guard army, nobody is going to notice a couple of overly long arms. Nevermind, get back to work!

An hour or two later and I had extinguished my supply of spare Cadian arms, but had 7 fully made Medieval Soldiers:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/guard4.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/guard1.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/group.jpg

All that was required was to clean up the mold lines and green stuffing, make some bases and paint them ( and approx. 93 more of the buggers). This is going to be a long, long Project Log.

cookiescrumble
11-07-2006, 15:06
Looking very good, nice theme going there.

What are you going to do for vehicles, or is it an infantry force??

MrAnderson
11-07-2006, 15:14
Looking very good, nice theme going there.

What are you going to do for vehicles, or is it an infantry force??
Not really 100% decided, but I think it's more likely to be a couple of Basilisks and that will be it. Keep it primarily infantry as is in keeping with the WW1 style. Theres gonna be lots of Mortars and stuff as well, lots of Heavy Bolters and Autocannons and light on Lascannons, Plasma Cannons and more high-tech stuff. Thats all only a rough idea though.

McMullet
11-07-2006, 15:19
They look really good. :)

An original theme, and a very original way to execute it!

Great_Destroyer
11-07-2006, 15:27
really sweet, might have to try this Idea out the look great! get making more!

Col.Gravis
11-07-2006, 15:38
Looking very nice, cant wait to see how this progresses!

You say your sticking largely to 'low tech' weapons, are you gonna use 'standard' models or have you got some conversions for these in mind at all?

no-use4a-name
11-07-2006, 15:43
Hey, your work area is waaay too organized. I hope you didn't clean up on our account.

I like the start so far. And, the Basilisk(s) would suit this army fine.

MrAnderson
11-07-2006, 15:46
Not really sure, I'm currently researching stuff like that. At the moment it's the troops I'm concentrating on.

Though the idea of using the Empire Mortar might be fun.

[EDIT] I just got a new desk actually. I predict that it won't be very organised for long.

Col.Gravis
11-07-2006, 15:48
*nods* Could be interesting, would fit he role of a Heavy Trench Mortar with little work ;) maybe look at a PomPom gun for Autocannons and a Maxim or Vickers Machine Gun for Heavy Bolter?

MrAnderson
11-07-2006, 15:53
Yeah, I certainly like the idea of putting wagon wheels on the guns, especially on the ones that will make up the Heavy Weapon teams.

cerealkiller195
11-07-2006, 16:23
looking good when i did mine (many moons ago) this is what they looked like

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/andd95/IMG_0486-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/andd95/IMG_0490-1.jpg

The boyz
11-07-2006, 17:12
Those Imperial guard look very cool indeed MrAnderson. Some very nice conversion work there. I like the idea behind them too, a cross between WW1 and medieval soldiers does sound great. Looking forward to seeing some more updates.

MrAnderson
11-07-2006, 18:59
Quick update. Found another set of Cadian lasgun arms so I made another grunt:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/guard5.jpg

And I decided that a Mortar team wouldn't need Lasgun arms so I whipped up on of those:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/heavy.jpg

Which means that I actually now have a 10 man squad completed on the first day of the project. Pretty good going I reckon.

maraxis
11-07-2006, 20:02
I would be interested in seeing how you paint them, are you going to use a pattern to symbolize a particular lord or are you going to use earthy/drab colors as that was what the poorer folk could afford?

MrAnderson
11-07-2006, 20:18
Earth tones definitely, I don't like bright colours.

I've picked a palatte consisting of Scorched Brown, Graveyard Earth, Catachan Green, Codex Grey and Chaos Black, plus Boltgun Metal for weapons and other metal parts.

Red Skullz
11-07-2006, 21:05
Looking very sweet bud!

As for tanks. To keep the WW1 theme I would suggest the following:
- basilisks are static "light guns", with horses. Like the first artillery operated ;)
- tanks, WW1 was the war when tanks first where introduced with some rather insane designs. Do some googling and you`ll find lots of inspiration for very characterfull tanks to add for your force and still keep it within the theme.
- do cavalery, use the rough riders rules

Now keep us posted ya hear, I`m subscribing this one :D

Melchor
11-07-2006, 22:05
Looks good!
I've tried it myself once, and found it a nice fit.

Don't forget to add Rough Riders! :D

EDIT: For the Rough Riders, use either the mounted Men-at-arms, or kislev horse archer legs with appropriate torsos.

That's what I would do anyway... ;)

noneedforaname
11-07-2006, 22:12
try looking up alkett's(sp) oddities. a bunch of task specific prototype tanks some of which were very odd.

MrAnderson
11-07-2006, 23:08
Rough Rider are indeed going to be used. They are great counter-attack troops as well. I will probably go down the route of getting some metal legs and then chopping off the Men-At-Arms torso. The legs can then be used with Cadian torsos for the officers, or perhaps stormtroopers/hardened veterans. I definitely want a deep striking Melta Gun equiped squad with parachutes (not strictly WW1, but this is the 41st Millenium).

Muffe
12-07-2006, 00:19
looking very nice there.. Will be cool to see it painted.

any thoughts on how to paint them?

Orcdom
12-07-2006, 03:07
the rough riders i was going to mention, but i think a Hellhound might fit in there as well. esp the FW piece witht he big round fuel can.

Steve

MrAnderson
12-07-2006, 14:34
Okay, Army List time:

Doctrines
Drop Troopers
Sharpshooters
Rough Riders

HQ:

Junior Officer - Bolt Pistol, Frag, Krak Grenades
Missle Launcher Team
Plasma Gun
- Mortar Squad
- Anti-Tank Squad (Lascannons)

259pts

Elites:

5 Hardened Veterans
- 2 Melta Guns, 1 Flamer

71pts

Troops:

Platoon 1:
Junior Officer
- Autocannon Team
- Grenade Launcher

Squad 1:
Veteran Sergeant
- Missle Launcher Team
- Grenade Launcher
Squad 2:
Veteran Sergeant
- Missle Launcher Team
- Grenade Launcher

241pts

Platoon 2:
Junior Officer
- Autocannon Team
- Plasma Gun

Squad 1:
Veteran Sergeant
- Missle Launcher Team
- Grenade Launcher
Squad 2:
Veteran Sergeant
- Heavy Bolter Team
- Flamer

236pts

Fast Attack:

5 Rough Riders:
Veteran Sergeant
- 4 Hunting Lances, 1 Melta-Gun

68pts

Heavy Support:

Basilisk
- Indirect Fire

125pts

Total Points - 1000pts

72 Foot Troopers
5 Cavalry
1 Tank

BillyBob
12-07-2006, 14:44
Very interesting. I was thinking about making lots of cultists using this method, but was worried as to how they would look. I have two boxes of Men-at-Arms just collecting dust. Guess it's time to put the side cutters and GS skills to work! Don't mean to ride on your thunder. I've just been meaning to make cultists for my Fallen Angels that I'm also working on, as I use Alpha legion rules (very fluffy thanks to Cypher manipulating people).
Keep it up. you'll have a really nice looking army, but a lot of work on your hands.

Dspankdo
12-07-2006, 15:06
You could use a leman russ without a turret that would sort of look like those original british tanks

jon23516
13-07-2006, 05:25
Good luck MrAnderson,

I was gung-ho about doing a guard army with the combined Cadian/Bretonnian parts when the GW article came out a few years back but never did. I wasn't (still aren't) a good converter and I figured it would take me long enough to do 100+ regular guardsmen let alone converting 100+ guys.

Was it Owen who did the Cadian/Bret regiment in WD? He used Bret knights Errants with Men-at-Arms heads/helms and gave them flamers.

Yeah, a quick Google search for "WWI+tank" yielded a whole lot of pictures of tanks that look a lot like the Leman Russ and Landraider we know and love including the side sponsons. Apparently some ideas don't fall too far from the tree.


Keep up the good work.

Jon

MrAnderson
13-07-2006, 11:43
Was it Owen who did the Cadian/Bret regiment in WD? He used Bret knights Errants with Men-at-Arms heads/helms and gave them flamers.
Haven't seen that, mainly because before this month I hadn't bought WD in years.

However I had seen this (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/imperialguard/painting/ig_catalog_conv/default.htm) article which inspired me.

I've decided that I want to model the Basilisk in my army on the Big Bertha from WW1. It's not goiing to be in tank form any more, but who moves Basilisks that often anyway?


http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWbertha.jpg

MrAnderson
14-07-2006, 19:18
Painting has been started, only a few though. I also found that my Bronzed Flesh and Black Washhad dried up so i'm currently unable to quite finish the models I've started. However here is some work in progress. Better pictures will follow once they are based.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/painted1.jpg

jon23516
14-07-2006, 20:06
Haven't seen that, mainly because before this month I hadn't bought WD in years.

However I had seen this (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/imperialguard/painting/ig_catalog_conv/default.htm) article which inspired me.


Yeah! That's the unit. Dave Taylor (not Owen). The Genswick Rifles were featured in a couple of White Dwarfs, I can track down the US issue numbers if you want. The bitz magazine even had some "bundles" soon after where you would get the needed bitz and sprues for several of the squads/units he'd put together. Several of the detailed pewter bitz are not available separately.

I was very tempted but really didn't have the $$ to drop on it. Besides, like I said before, there's the whole conversion thing I didn't have time for.

I have seen alternate ways of splicing the two (cadian + bret) together. Another way is to saw (cut) the whole sholder off the bret body to create the flat space needed to use the cadian arms without modification.

Good luck,
Jon

MrAnderson
14-07-2006, 23:26
I have seen alternate ways of splicing the two (cadian + bret) together. Another way is to saw (cut) the whole sholder off the bret body to create the flat space needed to use the cadian arms without modification.
Tried it on a test model and it looked terrible. The Cadian shoulder pads just don't work on the Bretonnian models.

The whole Project so far hasn't been too expensive, I managed to acquired two boxes of Men At Arms for 28, and then I've just used bwbit.com to get the Cadian arms seperately. No point in having loads of legs and torsos I'm not going to use.

old guard
15-07-2006, 15:30
Re your big bertha idea how avout something like this.

Not too difficult to achieve although I did butcher a 1.35th scale russian arty piece and a bassy

MrAnderson
18-07-2006, 12:25
So I completed one model completely (apart from the base, i need some brown static grass). I'm pretty happy with how the troops are coming out, bit of a rubbish picture though, I'm no photographer:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/painted2.jpg

I also got my package of arms, Missle Launchers and Melta Guns from bwbits.com:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/bits2.jpg

Which I promptly put to good use:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/guard6.jpg

Agamemnon2
18-07-2006, 14:41
Very good take on the conversion. I went for a slightly simpler way with my arms, because the splicing at the elbows was getting on my nerves a lot. Sorry about the blurry shot, my camera back then was a POS.

http://www.ageofstrife.com/albums/Agamemnon201/ironheads2.jpg

cerealkiller195
18-07-2006, 14:43
old guard do you know the exact name of the kit? Because i want a bassie in my Genestealer cult but having a blown kit doesn't seem right.

Scorpio
18-07-2006, 16:17
Some quite nice guard there MrAnderson. I like them very much.
As for tanks yes land raiders look a lot like WWI tanks. As do Leman Russes. Try using a land raider with some GS(or plasticard) to extend the tracks.

-Scorpio

old guard
19-07-2006, 06:58
cereal killer: I'm still looking for the info the only thing I can tell you at the minute is that it was an italeri marketed svezda kit. I could not track it down last night so I'm not sure if it's still in production. the parts I used were the trails (cut back and some of the sights and levers etc... so if you can find something with 'boxy' trails it should do the trick. I do have a thread somewhere in here on it if you want to see more detail entitled, if I remember correctly 'getz you're off the hook on this one' (too complicated to explain.

Sorry Mr Anderson I kind of hijacked things there please have your very good thread back, and show some more of your work

jon23516
19-07-2006, 08:52
Tried it on a test model and it looked terrible. The Cadian shoulder pads just don't work on the Bretonnian models.

The whole Project so far hasn't been too expensive, I managed to acquired two boxes of Men At Arms for 28, and then I've just used bwbit.com to get the Cadian arms seperately. No point in having loads of legs and torsos I'm not going to use.

Fair enough. I forget where I saw the Cadian shoulder pad style, but don't recall it look too bad. But at least you tried it.

bwbit.com. Yes, I ran across them about a month ago. Total money saver, assuming you're looking for bitz they carry. If I remember correctly they didn't a lot of selection in some armies, but a lot in others.

Perhaps its just a matter of getting started and building up an inventory of bitz. From a business venture perspective, I don't see it as very profitable when you think of how much employee handwork is neccessary to trim and bag all the orders. And at some point I imagine that they will have a ton of the less popular pieces as they purchase more and more kits to strip the more popular pieces. Good luck to them.

Always worth a look.

Jon

Agamemnon2
19-07-2006, 10:49
Fair enough. I forget where I saw the Cadian shoulder pad style, but don't recall it look too bad. But at least you tried it.

Interested parties can do a comparison with my pic a few posts back, the guys in dark blue coats. It comes down to speed and ease of building. I simply wanted to work faster than I could by doing the elbow-splice. Chopping off the old shoulders, filling the gaps and doing a few minor alterations was simply faster by several orders of magnitude.

Cad@veR
21-07-2006, 00:42
Wow some pretty cool stuff here... never thought of the possibility to use Men at Arms for vintage guardsmen... keep up the good work!

Steel_Legion
21-07-2006, 13:05
looking good, didnt think it would work, but these are looking very cool, and unique, so best of luck

Serpent
21-07-2006, 14:31
Forge World Thunderers and Destroyer Tank Hunter looks a lot like WWI tanks. Have a look at those, if you're interested. :)

Serpent

MrAnderson
23-07-2006, 17:11
Forge World Thunderers and Destroyer Tank Hunter looks a lot like WWI tanks. Have a look at those, if you're interested. :)

Serpent
Definitely.

Haven't done much work, was in Birmingham for Super-Sonic Festival. Work will resume tomorrow.

Thanks for the comments guys.

MrAnderson
15-08-2006, 20:31
Sorry long time, no update.

In the time that I've neglected this log I've done quite a few things.

Firstly I've decided that this is going to be a solely medieval themed Imperial Guard army. It's taken the name of the Narsine Yeomanry mentioned in the Eye Of Terror codex and it's going to be troop based. Very little tanks (if any).

I also made some suitably medieval Rough Riders. Going to have one squad of 10 with two Melta Guns that will be used to attack the enemy line and then another 6 man squad with no Special Weapons that will be used and a counter assault squad.

Here is the first 8:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/riders1.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/riders2.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/riders3.jpg

Progress is being made. :)

Great_Destroyer
15-08-2006, 20:36
Very nice looking.

Kasrkin 666
15-08-2006, 22:01
Those are awsome! Love the poses!:cool:

-666:cool:

Ziljin
15-08-2006, 22:30
very nice riders

MrAnderson
16-08-2006, 18:36
I re-organised what I have built into a 400pt Combat Patrol so that I can actually play legally with it while I'm building up the remaining 600pts.

I'm using some Cadians that I still had from an older Daemonhunter army as proxy officers and Sergeants. They will eventually by Mordians I think, I like the idea of the Imperium recruiting experienced Guardsmen from off-world to command the lowly peasants. Although considering the planet that I've adopted for the Regiment's background (Narsine) and it's close vicinity to Cadia then perhaps more suitable painted Cadian officers may be more appropriate. We'll see.

The Combat Patrol consists of a Command HQ, one Infantry Platoon and a squad of Rough Riders:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/combatpatrol.jpg

The boyz
16-08-2006, 18:44
Those rough riders are looking very nice. The conversion work looks great. I really like the chap with the Meltagun he looks cool.

Killshot
16-08-2006, 21:52
[QUOTE=MrAnderson;875081]I like the idea of the Imperium recruiting experienced Guardsmen from off-world to command the lowly peasants. Although considering the planet that I've adopted for the Regiment's background (Narsine) and it's close vicinity to Cadia then perhaps more suitable painted Cadian officers may be more appropriate. We'll see.

[\QUOTE]

That's a good idea! The RR look great too! :)

MrAnderson
17-08-2006, 13:30
Some better pics of the Rough Riders:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/riders4.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/riders5.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/riders6.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/riders7.jpg

MrAnderson
17-08-2006, 13:31
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/riders8.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/riders9.jpg

thewizardofoz
18-08-2006, 19:47
those look great! seems more like it's a bit british themed WW1 with the helmets and all on your guardsmen. definietly use a land raider for tanks if this is where you are going.

UnRiggable
18-08-2006, 21:47
those look great! seems more like it's a bit british themed WW1 with the helmets and all on your guardsmen.

Probably because Bretonians and Britain (or Britanny) sound unbelievable similiar. Those are AWESOME! I actually got a Bretonian battleforce and have no use for it so I mighttry converting some.

Steel_Legion
19-08-2006, 00:23
bottom rough rider looks good, top one looks a little basic, cant really see whats different about him, what did you do to him?

MrAnderson
21-08-2006, 15:06
Not a lot, he's pretty much a regular Bretonnian Knight with little bits and pieces such as purity seals and gear stowed on the back of the horse. He is probably the most medieval looking of them all to be honest.

I've just had an idea though, so he may be changed in about 5 minutes.

UnRiggable
27-08-2006, 20:30
Re your big bertha idea how avout something like this.

Not too difficult to achieve although I did butcher a 1.35th scale russian arty piece and a bassy

Uh, how the hell did you do that? I can't see how that is a conversion and not a release. Makes me wonder...

MrAnderson
04-09-2006, 20:38
Progress!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/foolmartyr/Imperial%20Guard/horse.jpg

It's slow, but I'm getting there with the Combat Patrol. Going to try and give all the Infantrymen their scorched brown and catachan green main coat tomorrow.

Scorpio
04-09-2006, 23:48
Whoa. At first i didnt even recognize this log...its been so long.(and i have been gone too)
The rough riders look terrific. The medieval theme looks really cool. For the officers i think cadians would kinda ruin the look of the army. Mordians would fit much better. Or maybe converted regular comissars as they dont look too futury.

My 2 cents
-Scorpio

UnRiggable
05-09-2006, 02:11
Nice to see this back in action! May I add that Mounted Infantry dies around 1870's because very accurate and quick loading weaponry was being made.

asmodai_dark86
05-09-2006, 12:39
Aye same here, glad to see your getting back on track.

Hope your still up for a game sometime soon - I've just spent most of the night cleaning guardians so a 'no' response might make me cry. A lot.

MrAnderson
05-09-2006, 12:55
Whoa. At first i didnt even recognize this log...its been so long.(and i have been gone too)
The rough riders look terrific. The medieval theme looks really cool. For the officers i think cadians would kinda ruin the look of the army. Mordians would fit much better. Or maybe converted regular comissars as they dont look too futury.

My 2 cents
-Scorpio
That was my initial thought to and I'm gonna go with it. Regular Lasgun armed Mordians as Sergeants. Mordian Sergeants as Officers and the Lieutenent as the General potentially, although I may go for some mental gothic/medieval knight on foot type thing. Not sure yet. I'm gonna leave the leader until last as a reward for completing the army.


Nice to see this back in action! May I add that Mounted Infantry dies around 1870's because very accurate and quick loading weaponry was being made.
This army is actually no longer WW1 based. I've decided to go almost entirely Medieval style. I was waying up Trebuchet/Basilisk conversions last night.


Aye same here, glad to see your getting back on track.

Hope your still up for a game sometime soon - I've just spent most of the night cleaning guardians so a 'no' response might make me cry. A lot.
I'm totally still up for it. More painting is needed first though. I like aesthetically battles. ;)

Lumpsack
05-09-2006, 13:25
Great work there Mr Anderson.. keep em coming :)

asmodai_dark86
05-09-2006, 13:54
Oooooo see how you've said that I'm tempted to spray the marines I've stripped, get em in gold, and have my Sons of Sparta scurge the archaic guard! :D

How are you doing your bases by the way? I'd hate to turn up with bright green bases unless you do the same...

MrAnderson
05-09-2006, 14:13
Green static grass with the occasional debris or gravel patch.

Scorpio
05-09-2006, 21:20
Let us know who wins the battle:D
It should be a good one

-Scorpio

the angel chosen
10-07-2007, 00:16
i realy like this army