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Sharkbelly
16-06-2016, 14:21
Is it time to split the forum on Warseer into Age of Sigmar and Warhammer Classic?

Why or why not?

The_Real_Chris
16-06-2016, 15:09
No - traffic will fall to too low a level.

All the Silver Tower threads though should be banished to the Warhammer Quest forum!

Comrade Penguin
16-06-2016, 15:30
No - traffic will fall to too low a level.


Pretty much this. Posts are already pretty slow, why continue to fracture the community? Plus, for better or worse, Warhammer Classic is dead.

Mithrilherz
16-06-2016, 15:48
I think this should be done.
I loved Warhammer Fantasy, but I have no interest in AoS. It is quite annoying to read through the AoS stuff in the warhammer section.

If we want more traffic, we have to open a The 9th Age-section, IMHO.

This is were most of the serious players went!
Just my two cents.

gharwars
16-06-2016, 16:00
Not to sound too pessimistic, but why on earth would aanyone want to post about 9th Age in a ghost town rather than on the busy official 9th Age forum...

Icarus81
16-06-2016, 16:02
Most AoS enthusiasts when to The Grand Alliance forum. I still come here to read rumors and the same complaints over and over. I'm a glutton for punishment.

The community is already split. This is just where we come to battle for the souls of the damned.

Wintermute
16-06-2016, 18:18
AoS WILL get its own subforum when I get the time to re-arrange and revamp the forum structures.

Wintermute

sephiroth87
16-06-2016, 19:21
We're like the Judean people's front and the people's front of Judea from Monty python. Splitters!

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Soulsmith
16-06-2016, 19:37
Most AoS enthusiasts when to The Grand Alliance forum. I still come here to read rumors and the same complaints over and over. I'm a glutton for punishment.

The community is already split. This is just where we come to battle for the souls of the damned.

Exactly this. I just come on Warseer if I feel like watching people bicker. To reduce bile, I say split them.

Choombatta
16-06-2016, 20:44
We're like the Judean people's front and the people's front of Judea from Monty python. Splitters!

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Or the United Atheist Alliance, The Allied Atheist Alliance, and the Unified Atheist League.

MasterCrafted
16-06-2016, 21:57
Did all the 8th edition players migrate to another forum? Are they still lurking?

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Sharkbelly
16-06-2016, 23:43
I imagine a good many of them are over at the 9th Age forum.

Smooth Boy
17-06-2016, 03:59
Pretty much this. Posts are already pretty slow, why continue to fracture the community? Plus, for better or worse, Warhammer Classic is dead.

8th edition may not be under development but there are many spiritual successors, some like the 9th age have become very popular. We could then spend all our time arguing over which ruleset was the best, it would be much better! Personally, keep the general, add AoS background and AoS tactic sub-boards.

smaxx
17-06-2016, 07:42
I think it's good to separate these. AoS is a fine system as it is, and suffers a bit unfairly from us old Fantasy fans negativity towards it. Better to have a separate area for the systems.

SilentHunter
17-06-2016, 07:49
Yes they are two different systems, aos is here to stay and fantasy is not making a return.

HammerofThunor
17-06-2016, 07:49
Most AoS enthusiasts when to The Grand Alliance forum.

Thank you.

Leogun_91
17-06-2016, 10:22
AoS WILL get its own subforum when I get the time to re-arrange and revamp the forum structures.

WintermuteGlad to hear it. Had almost dropped out from checking warseer due to lack of a good place to discuss WFB these days.

Tichey
17-06-2016, 13:49
Yes they should be split. Might have people actually using warseer for AoS discussion if they don't have to search through mountains of vitriol in order to find real topics.

ewar
17-06-2016, 14:15
Yes they should be split. Might have people actually using warseer for AoS discussion if they don't have to search through mountains of vitriol in order to find real topics.

Where is this vitriol these days? Linky please.

I think if you split the fantasy forum then you may as well close both and leave this place as a 40k board. There are only a handful of active posters any more, dividing them into their constituent parts will just kill it, dead.

smaxx
17-06-2016, 14:16
Yes they are two different systems, aos is here to stay and fantasy is not making a return.
Maybe not, but last time I checked nobody had taken my whfb books away either.

Soundwave
17-06-2016, 14:31
Yes they are two different systems, aos is here to stay and fantasy is not making a return.

Not making a return like white dwarf back to monthly?
And AOS here to stay like visions?

sephiroth87
17-06-2016, 14:42
Where is this vitriol these days? Linky please.

I think if you split the fantasy forum then you may as well close both and leave this place as a 40k board. There are only a handful of active posters any more, dividing them into their constituent parts will just kill it, dead.
I think you're right. You'll get a small group who stays and posts, but for the most part, it'll look like the Lord of the rings subforum does currently.

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Icarus81
17-06-2016, 14:52
Where is this vitriol these days? Linky please.

I think if you split the fantasy forum then you may as well close both and leave this place as a 40k board. There are only a handful of active posters any more, dividing them into their constituent parts will just kill it, dead.

Probably not vitriol. Just the same stuff over and over again. We get it (not directing this at any particular person) - you think AoS is terrible, that it will fail by next year, that you would be more appreciative of GW's direction if AoS wasn't involved, even with points it is a total failure, etc, etc.

There is rarely an in-between. It's like watching this video on every post, but with a (totally) serious tone (and devoid of humor).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8sl2uC46A

Folomo
17-06-2016, 15:29
I have to agree that dividing the already small number of posters into two groups would only end up in two dead forums. I don't really see the point of dividing it TBH, since if anyone wants to exclude AoS or non-AoS fans has simply to put the tag on the post and people will respect it (like the "Age of Sigmar-friendly active thread").

Edit: Just look at the number of voters, less than 50. That is a 1/10 of the number of people who where here a year ago.

Dark Elf
17-06-2016, 16:17
AoS WILL get its own subforum when I get the time to re-arrange and revamp the forum structures.

Wintermute

I hail this decision. Better late than never.

ewar
17-06-2016, 17:29
I hail this decision. Better late than never.

Sorry I think you're completely wrong with that premise. IF it was going to be done, it should have been done right at the start. Now... all you do is dilute the few remaining posters.

Just leave it, there is almost no overlap between the threads now, everyone just puts the relevant game system in the title, seems to work fine.

Soundwave
17-06-2016, 17:31
I hail this decision. Better late than never.

I won't agree as I was really enjoying the days of our dice daily episode...yet as a few long term posters have been banished and a few of us are limping on the infraction I guess it is for the better :).

75hastings69
17-06-2016, 17:34
Dammit, because of the way my screen was set up all I got from the title of this thread was "Time to Split Age of Sigmar"

I was going to chime in with YES, the plastic models into the recycling plastic bin, and the literature into the recycling paper bin!!!

Captain Marius
17-06-2016, 19:23
This forum needs a good overhaul and im glad to read Wintermute will do something about it. Traffic for fantasy has died off so bad we'd probably be better off with two generic sections, one for AoS and one for WFB Legacy, that incorporates all the general discussion, tactics and background, maybe even the rumours.

I enjoy the discussion here as i have since the Portent days, but the forum could do with a restructure. Maybe stick the plog sections in with the relevant game sections, as they are by far and away the bits I most enjoy about Warseer! Rumours are currently handled nicely by the War of Sigmar blog, even for 40k, so im not convinced they need their own sections any more.

Icarus81
17-06-2016, 19:50
Where is this vitriol these days? Linky please.


Dammit, because of the way my screen was set up all I got from the title of this thread was "Time to Split Age of Sigmar"

I was going to chime in with YES, the plastic models into the recycling plastic bin, and the literature into the recycling paper bin!!!

I rest my case.

Sothron
18-06-2016, 05:00
I have been asking for the mods to separate AoS from real Warhammer since that nightmare was forced on all of us.

Sothron
18-06-2016, 05:03
I have to agree that dividing the already small number of posters into two groups would only end up in two dead forums. I don't really see the point of dividing it TBH, since if anyone wants to exclude AoS or non-AoS fans has simply to put the tag on the post and people will respect it (like the "Age of Sigmar-friendly active thread").

Edit: Just look at the number of voters, less than 50. That is a 1/10 of the number of people who where here a year ago.

Yes, AoS killed the community more effectively than the Black Plague killed off European populations. If GW had a working brain they would ditch AoS and use Total War Warhammer as the excuse to bring back WHFB.

75hastings69
18-06-2016, 05:49
I rest my case.

That is HUMOUR, not vitriol :D

Wintermute
18-06-2016, 07:29
This forum needs a good overhaul and im glad to read Wintermute will do something about it. Traffic for fantasy has died off so bad we'd probably be better off with two generic sections, one for AoS and one for WFB Legacy, that incorporates all the general discussion, tactics and background, maybe even the rumours.

I enjoy the discussion here as i have since the Portent days, but the forum could do with a restructure. Maybe stick the plog sections in with the relevant game sections, as they are by far and away the bits I most enjoy about Warseer! Rumours are currently handled nicely by the War of Sigmar blog, even for 40k, so im not convinced they need their own sections any more.

We've (The Admin/Mod team) have been discussing restructuring the forums for several weeks now and it will be a big restructure and purge.

Wishing
18-06-2016, 10:06
We've (The Admin/Mod team) have been discussing restructuring the forums for several weeks now and it will be a big restructure and purge.

Sounds good. Your original "All versions of warhammer go in the same forum" stance made sense, but a new organisation could really help things out.

ashc
18-06-2016, 10:40
If it stops the bickering then yes.

I just kind of wish the forum was as busy as it used to be, I know what happened and all and I've seen many people have moved on to other forums yet my old grognard self can't bring myself to register anywhere else...

Teurastaja
18-06-2016, 11:45
I enjoy constant state of conflict. I hope it stays the same.

veterannoob
20-06-2016, 05:16
Yes, FFS, I can't imagine not wanting to split. Seems like a win win for everyone. I see no downside.:cool:

Whirlwind
20-06-2016, 08:50
Unfortunately although I think a split might be helpful I'm not sure it will improve traffic and it is likely just to make both areas pretty dead. The Warhammer forum split very early but is pretty much dead now on both sides. A few posts but no real conversation. The 9th age forum seems to be doing well though so I guess a lot of people have shifted over there (and I guess KoW forums too). Not sure where AoS folks have gone but I don't follow the game so am not bothered working it out to be honest.

shinros
20-06-2016, 14:09
Unfortunately although I think a split might be helpful I'm not sure it will improve traffic and it is likely just to make both areas pretty dead. The Warhammer forum split very early but is pretty much dead now on both sides. A few posts but no real conversation. The 9th age forum seems to be doing well though so I guess a lot of people have shifted over there (and I guess KoW forums too). Not sure where AoS folks have gone but I don't follow the game so am not bothered working it out to be honest.

They are on dakka and the grand alliance community/reddit. I personally think its a bad idea splitting it since traffic is low enough as it is.

skeptico
20-06-2016, 14:19
They are on dakka and the grand alliance community/reddit. I personally think its a bad idea splitting it since traffic is low enough as it is.

The hope has got to be that people might start coming back if the site doesn't look like a quagmire of bitterness any more.

Whirlwind
20-06-2016, 14:30
They are on dakka and the grand alliance community/reddit. I personally think its a bad idea splitting it since traffic is low enough as it is.

Don't know about the GAC/reddit but even dakka is quiet by previous standards. As an example only about 200 people have voted in the "who is going to win the summer campaign" post which doesn't seem to be vast numbers (and there still seems to be a number of posts that argue the pros and cons of WFB and AoS from what I have seen). I can't honestly say I have seen much difference between dakka and Warseer in terms of this debate and vitriol.

Ultimate Life Form
20-06-2016, 14:41
GW has killed the community. There is zero anyone can do about it, especially not forum admins. A split however would admit the remnants to have normal, intelligent discussions again.

AoS and Warhammer have nothing in common. Logically there was never a reason to keep them together. Otherwise, if traffic is a concern, the logical conclusion would be to lump it together with 40k, LotR and (future) Specialist Games in one big "GW" forum. I'm not taking any responsibility for the ramifications.

Mikosan
20-06-2016, 15:03
GW has killed the community. There is zero anyone can do about it, especially not forum admins.

I respectfully disagree. GW killed a game, the community killed itself in a spectacular explosion of rage, bitterness, hurt feelings, and outright silly intolerance which was met with equally ridiculous defensive fanboyism. To be fair GW didn't help the situation with the appalling way AoS was released(thanks Kirby), but I have heard the refrain that "GW is not the hobby" quite a bit here, and as they didn't dip back into engaging the community until well after the damage was done they most definitely were not "the community".

I agree, splitting the forums is a good idea. It was at the beginning and still is now.

Tokamak
20-06-2016, 15:13
What do you think the community should've done? Adopt all systems simultaneously? Adopt one? Only allow positive remarks on game systems? What?

Malagor
20-06-2016, 15:33
The community reacted exactly as it should have, with rage, hostility and resentment towards GW. A few towards AoS players which is/was wrong but neither side is innocent when it came to that.
Of course it's important to point out that when people mention "community" we mean the GW community, not the hobby community. Hobby community is still alive and well but GW community is shattered beyond repair, it's even felt over at the 40k side and that was purely GWs fault, not the community.

Mikosan
20-06-2016, 15:35
What do you think the community should've done? Adopt all systems simultaneously? Adopt one? Only allow positive remarks on game systems? What?

IDK, do warmachine players hate KoW? Do Infinity players hate 9th age? Do 9th age players hate KoW? How about just be tolerant of all systems. No reason that an AoS player couldn't be inspired by a 9th agers army painting or vice versa. The whole hobby is a niche, a segment of the community actively hating one portion of the niche is a net loss for the community as a whole in my opinion.

I know, I know it's a utopian pipe dream cause the internet... still would be nice if our common bond of wargaming could trump our difference of system choice. I find youtubers like Vince and Andy2d6 have positive attitudes about multiple game systems, as do some podcasters. Advocating for the hobby as a whole>advocating one small part by tearing down other parts.

@Malagor- I guess if just referring to the GW community then sure I understand it more. Still the GW community is just a part of the larger hobby community not really separate from it. And a lot of people were not part of just the GW side of things, but many systems.

I won't even say the GW community wasn't justified in exploding, to a large extent it was totally justifiable and most likely directly led to the positive changes coming out of GW lately.

Ultimate Life Form
20-06-2016, 16:36
IDK, do warmachine players hate KoW? Do Infinity players hate 9th age? Do 9th age players hate KoW?

Maybe, who knows? This experiment has yet to be made. The difference of course being that T9A players frequent the T9A forum, and I suspect there are "main hubs" for the other systems as well. Now I wonder how T9A players would react if the T9A Forum would be littered with KoW fanboy posts day in day out? Because when you want to discuss T9A there's nothing more exciting than skimming through two dozen pages of KoW posts first. Of course the very idea of this happening is preposterous. As is the idea of having one forum for both Warhammer and AoS. People frequently bring up that you could just "mark" your thread with the appropriate tag. To which I say, a) there is a constant danger of forgetting this, b) there should never be a need to specifically address your audience, c) it leads to a system of forum apartheid which would cement the split and most importantly of all d) what is the difference to having two separate fora to begin with? Except the impracticalness of having one forum where you have to find the relevant threads first of course.

Allen
20-06-2016, 16:40
Pretty much this. Posts are already pretty slow, why continue to fracture the community? Plus, for better or worse, Warhammer Classic is dead.

I'm with Comrade Penguin. Like it or not, Warhammer is no more: it's not a separate product like LoTR or WH40K that should have its forum space...it's (sadly) a discontinued game.

Mikosan
20-06-2016, 16:57
Maybe, who knows? This experiment has yet to be made. The difference of course being that T9A players frequent the T9A forum, and I suspect there are "main hubs" for the other systems as well. Now I wonder how T9A players would react if the T9A Forum would be littered with KoW fanboy posts day in day out? Because when you want to discuss T9A there's nothing more exciting than skimming through two dozen pages of KoW posts first. Of course the very idea of this happening is preposterous. As is the idea of having one forum for both Warhammer and AoS. People frequently bring up that you could just "mark" your thread with the appropriate tag. To which I say, a) there is a constant danger of forgetting this, b) there should never be a need to specifically address your audience, c) it leads to a system of forum apartheid which would cement the split and most importantly of all d) what is the difference to having two separate fora to begin with? Except the impracticalness of having one forum where you have to find the relevant threads first of course.

I agree with everything you say here. Didn't mean to derail the thread.

captaincortez
20-06-2016, 17:58
I hate to dig up an old rotting corpse but some of these comments are really upsetting. GW killed the warhammer world, yes. If you are even reading this forum today it's because at some point you loved that world. Maybe you collected armies for years, went to tournaments, wrote campaign fluff, whatever. You, during that time, were a fan of that world.

The community response, this fractured thing that we speak of...it NEVER HAD TO HAPPEN. People owned their models, had their rulebook and army books, and were all set to play Warhammer just as they had so happily before. People who didn't care for the 8th edition ruleset found people to play other rulesets with them but largely, we all got along in the warhammer World. We were drawn to the story, the map, the characters, something.

Here's what killed the community, as my gaming club has come to understand:

As soon as the world blew up, everyone looked around and asked "what now?" The option to just keep on playing and speaking the same language existed but there were a few loud voices in the room. One of those voices said "hey, let's make our own ruleset. We can now own the rules and write what we want". This sounds like a good idea but it only grabbed a part of the community and those folks, in effect, became seperatists in the fantasy gaming community. Some TOs said "we will use these rules in our events" and suddenly gave what looked like credibility to this new system.

Another group in that room was a soft spoken company that offered yet another different ruleset. "Here, it's simple to play and you can use everything you already own". They quickly gobbled up the players who thought there were too many rules in 8th edition warhammer. Some events were like "we will use these rules too". Looks like more credibility.

A small group looked at the new GW product and tried it...and liked it. I can only assume that these people never liked warhammer fantasy to begin with.

Others just continued playing warhammer as they had been for years, except now they could rest knowing that the rules were going to be stable...forever. No need to buy $60 rulebooks every few years. Hell, it could even be a great time to collect all of the army books now that they will be the last edition for each race. These poor people took to the forums pleading with the gaming community for unity, but the damage was already done. Before the last breath in the warhammer world occurred, most had already bought into the idea that the game was over, that they simply couldn't play it anymore because GW was no longer supporting it. Like their models and books that worked just weeks before were now broken or unusable.

How do we judge the health of a gaming community?

The forums? OK, here's a prime example of the disunity we face, and look at how traffic on any "warhammer" forum has dropped. I have heard that some even shut down.

Tournaments? How are the events doing when they offer players 2 or more systems to play on the same event, with maybe a few participants for each system. Gone are the days of 60+ guys crowding into a room for a weekend of drinking and sweaty gaming. Players heard that the scene is dead so they've stopped coming. On the flip side any TO that picks one system alienates a whole bunch of angry gamers. They can't win running events anymore.

How about the local game store? I don't even bother to go anymore because their isn't anyone to play. The warhammer fantasy people are in hiding or something. They heard that nobody games in shops anymore so...they stay home. Who remembers the days when one could drop in on a shop on Thursday night or Saturday afternoon and be sure to get in a game or two because of the sheer amount of opportunity. You could talk gaming, army building, painting, maybe even trade some minis. I don't see this anymore.

It should be clear from my comments that I loved warhammer fantasy and never stopped. I am furious with GW because this stuff, all of this bad stuff, is their fault. They made bad choices in overpricing their products, lack of support for some armies, lack of events, lack of availability outside specific shops, making it hard for 3rd party guys to sell their stuff, etc. They messed up. But still, people were "bought in" to their hobby and many were likely to stay due to how much they had invested. I grow even more angry as I type this.

Some will read my comments about the other game systems and get mad because they have "bought in" and, hey, whatever you like, go for it. However, it's these "alternatives to warhammer" that destroyed our lively forums, our game store culture, our fun tournament weekends, and the spirit of hobby and gaming that we all shared even a year ago. People CAUSED this fracture because they abandoned our common language without hesitation...and decided to make up their own language.

Warseer needs a revamp for sure. It's just so depressing that we now have this animosity between former brothers. Reminds me of the story of the Tower of Babel.

EEFL.

ashc
20-06-2016, 18:06
Fab post, captaincortez. A million non-existing upvotes :)

captaincortez
20-06-2016, 18:15
Thanks brother.

Icarus81
20-06-2016, 20:05
Nice post, but...


A small group looked at the new GW product and tried it...and liked it. I can only assume that these people never liked warhammer fantasy to begin with.

I mean, really? I think this kind of blows away any credibility of the whole diatribe. You wanted your own vision to be the standard, but lo and behold the constant griping about 8th edition had roots, because lots of people hadn't been happy with the system for a long time - rightly or wrongly. This fracture was long overdue.

That you can't fathom why others might like AoS - and we are not few - highlights that intransigence. South Coast pulled in 142 players and despite the fall-off of clubs elsewhere they are the throbbing pulse of a large part of the community that is starting to spin its gears once more. There is energy and excitement being breathed in by GW - not something you're going to get from a community supported system unfortunately. Sure, I could use Tzaangors as a proxy in other games, but it really wouldn't be the same.

Tyranno1
20-06-2016, 20:18
How about the local game store? I don't even bother to go anymore because their isn't anyone to play. The warhammer fantasy people are in hiding or something. They heard that nobody games in shops anymore so...they stay home. Who remembers the days when one could drop in on a shop on Thursday night or Saturday afternoon and be sure to get in a game or two because of the sheer amount of opportunity. You could talk gaming, army building, painting, maybe even trade some minis. I don't see this anymore.

Well around here nobody plays warhammer because the only 2 places to play for miles banned it.
Until that point getting a warhammer game was easy, nobody played AoS enough to take up enough of the tables, nobody seemed to have even heard of T9A so everyone just went about their gaming as normal until a few months back...
It is actually a ghost-town around here now. A few scant 40K games here and there, AoS has dropped off the map and warhammer is forbidden. So around here GW killed the community stone dead.

SuperHappyTime
20-06-2016, 20:29
No. It's not time to split Age of Sigmar and Warhammer Classic. What place has a better hive of hate and vitriol toward AoS? Heck, I like AoS but I like the forum's posters, setting, and negative outlook on gaming/life just a little better that I stick around and chew cud.

shinros
20-06-2016, 23:00
Nice post, but...



I mean, really? I think this kind of blows away any credibility of the whole diatribe. You wanted your own vision to be the standard, but lo and behold the constant griping about 8th edition had roots, because lots of people hadn't been happy with the system for a long time - rightly or wrongly. This fracture was long overdue.

That you can't fathom why others might like AoS - and we are not few - highlights that intransigence. South Coast pulled in 142 players and despite the fall-off of clubs elsewhere they are the throbbing pulse of a large part of the community that is starting to spin its gears once more. There is energy and excitement being breathed in by GW - not something you're going to get from a community supported system unfortunately. Sure, I could use Tzaangors as a proxy in other games, but it really wouldn't be the same.

Don't worry people have told me I am not a true warhammer fan or that I did not like the old world. People generally underestimate how many people like AOS, hell some of them don't even know much about the old world so I just ignore em now really. They want GW to sink into irrelevance/burn and hate them yet they bought total war warhammer(that was their words). :evilgrin:

I do feel it's not a good idea to split the forum.

GreyhawkGuardian
21-06-2016, 02:04
You wanted your own vision to be the standard, but lo and behold the constant griping about 8th edition had roots, because lots of people hadn't been happy with the system for a long time - rightly or wrongly. This fracture was long overdue.

I agree with you Icarus, but I think that the circumstances that turned this one as toxic as it did are a little more unique.

Ultimately, I think that a lot of what fuels the AoS vs Warhammer Fantasy vitriol, and in fact, most "edition war" vitriol is one simple emotion. The thing I like/like to play, is being pushed aside. You can see it in a lot of the pro Warhammer Fantasy arguments here. If you like ranked combat and the lived in grit and grime of the Old World and you don't like the alternatives on offer, there really isn't a lot of recourse for you.

I've watched this happen half a dozen times between edition wars over with table top RPGs. Except here it's even worse, because of the inherent cost of mini-wargaming. I could, quite easily, take my Warhammer Fantasy 2nd Edition roleplay books off my shelf and get people to play, because all they'd need would be dice and a character sheet. If I wanted to get them into the wargame version, either they need their own armies, or I need a hell of a big mini collection. And with the AoS aesthetic moving away from that Old World historical base and ebay pickings getting more and more sparse, that layout of cost gets higher. Add in the brutal way the Old World was destroyed in the books, the bungled way in which Age of Sigmar launched and the simmering attitude of "GW is evil incarnate" that has been lurking in the background for over a decade now (seriously, I know people who aren't even into mini-wargaming who know the "GW is the devil" attitude by heart) and you have a cauldron of ingredients that is particularly primed to turn toxic with the right catalyst.

And whether Age of Sigmar really is as horrible as one side says, or as golden as the other counters, I don't think that I'm too far off base here when I posit the idea that Games Workshop has lost their market dominance now. There are other viable competitors in the mini-wargaming market now. At least ones that feel a lot less like the also rans I remember from my high point in the hobby.

The question, really, is what happens now. And we've kind of been watching it play out on these forums. Some people are moving to Age of Sigmar, some are sticking with Warhammer Fantasy, some are just washing their hands with the whole hobby. Ultimately, I suspect that Age of Sigmar will continue on, while the Warhammer Fantasy community gets smaller and smaller due to the difficulties in finding minis. The Old World might see a long time second life in the video game sphere. And maybe someday, some new ranked fantasy mini wargame will rise to join Kings of War and the 9th Age.

Anyway, I have fully moved into rambling now. But it's been a strange thing to watch, how the community has bent and fractured. It's like watching the breaking of The Fellowship, wrought large on an entire community.

And I thought the 4th Edition D&D edition wars were bad.

SilentHunter
21-06-2016, 02:53
Well around here nobody plays warhammer because the only 2 places to play for miles banned it.
Until that point getting a warhammer game was easy, nobody played AoS enough to take up enough of the tables, nobody seemed to have even heard of T9A so everyone just went about their gaming as normal until a few months back...
It is actually a ghost-town around here now. A few scant 40K games here and there, AoS has dropped off the map and warhammer is forbidden. So around here GW killed the community stone dead.


The two places near you banned warhammer but that's GW fault? that doesn't make any sense, those two shops killed the community, if they can't create a good hobby community that is on them.

Icarus81
21-06-2016, 04:17
Ultimately, I think that a lot of what fuels the AoS vs Warhammer Fantasy vitriol, and in fact, most "edition war" vitriol is one simple emotion. The thing I like/like to play, is being pushed aside. You can see it in a lot of the pro Warhammer Fantasy arguments here. If you like ranked combat and the lived in grit and grime of the Old World and you don't like the alternatives on offer, there really isn't a lot of recourse for you.

Right I don't disagree. I'm one who loved 8th and thought there was very little wrong with it. Then again I also really enjoy AoS, but i'll probably enjoy it even more with points even just for the vigor is brings to the players who kind of faded off. I'm ruthlessly devoted to Tzeentch and change, in my mind, is usually welcome.

veterannoob
21-06-2016, 04:23
No sarcasm here, but rather than AoS and Legacy it could become compliment and complaint, or something similar in name, and see how that does. However you do it I personally think it's a necessary step. I see some folks concerned for a dwindling user base which would suffer from a split (I don't agree, but ok). But if it's attitude that's the issue than surely it doesn't matter how the divide happens--only "fans/active players only please" or open debate (mostly complaining) where the other group won't waste its time or even move on to less hostile waters so they can enjoy their experience. Still think you should split the warhammer part if Warseer wants to pursue a place for AoS players to stay and engage. After all, players must not choose only one game over the other.;)

dalezzz
21-06-2016, 07:21
The two places near you banned warhammer but that's GW fault? that doesn't make any sense, those two shops killed the community, if they can't create a good hobby community that is on them.


I may may be wrong but I suspect the 2 places are GWs

SilentHunter
21-06-2016, 07:31
I may may be wrong but I suspect the 2 places are GWs

Ok if he means warhammer fantasy 8th edition of course they banned it, you can't have a shop dedicated to a few gaming systems and have people playing a completely different system you don't support. Our Gw manager banned it because it would be difficult to explain to potential customers. He loved 8th but it would have made it awkward for him.

Tyranno1
21-06-2016, 09:42
Ok if he means warhammer fantasy 8th edition of course they banned it, you can't have a shop dedicated to a few gaming systems and have people playing a completely different system you don't support. Our Gw manager banned it because it would be difficult to explain to potential customers. He loved 8th but it would have made it awkward for him.

The banning of 8th edition fantasy is up to each individual manager. As some have now relented and allowed it back again, while others continue to refuse to money...I mean fantasy players.

It is not as black and white as it looks either. As yes people playing it during the day will have to have the whole debacle explained by the manager. But game nights have no such customers wandering through their doors, as only people who have booked games/hobby time are allowed in. Why is it still banned during this time? There are no customers to have to explain the dead game too. Everyone knows about warhammer and it keeps the 8th edition players happy. Unlike how it is now where they all disappeared.

SilentHunter
21-06-2016, 10:45
Don't really know what to say to that, ive never experienced a store that doesn't allow the general customers to walk through the doors during certain opening hours, tables are never booked, I can only assume you mean a local hobby store and not a gw, in that case why do they not let general public in when they will see tables full of hobbyists having a good time. We mostly have games workshops over here, flgs are very uncommon and your gw stores are mostly in very accessible locations for the general public.

Tyranno1
21-06-2016, 11:07
Don't really know what to say to that, ive never experienced a store that doesn't allow the general customers to walk through the doors during certain opening hours, tables are never booked, I can only assume you mean a local hobby store and not a gw, in that case why do they not let general public in when they will see tables full of hobbyists having a good time. We mostly have games workshops over here, flgs are very uncommon and your gw stores are mostly in very accessible locations for the general public.

It IS a pair of GWs and that is how they operate around here. Thursday nights are gaming nights and they open at a very different set of hours to the norm.

duffybear1988
21-06-2016, 12:12
Yes they should be split. Might have people actually using warseer for AoS discussion if they don't have to search through mountains of vitriol in order to find real topics.

There's barely anything to read on AoS anyway. There's the 1 tactics thread which is a bit useful, the rumour thread and an appreciation thread. Apart from that it's dead (much like the game ;))

Herzlos
21-06-2016, 12:40
Maybe they should be added to a generic fantasy (or GW fantasy) subforum as there isn't really much discussion to sustain themselves, nor anything that unique about them. The time to have split them was 11 months ago.

Yowzo
21-06-2016, 12:49
There's barely anything to read on AoS anyway. There's the 1 tactics thread which is a bit useful, the rumour thread and an appreciation thread. Apart from that it's dead (much like the game ;))

Pretty much that.

Not even dedicated forums like TGA seem to have much actual game-related traffic.

That said, forums other than 9th age seem to experience an all-time low so it's part of a bigger trend (made worse by the whole AoS release chaos).

Dosiere
21-06-2016, 13:24
There's barely anything to read on AoS anyway. There's the 1 tactics thread which is a bit useful, the rumour thread and an appreciation thread. Apart from that it's dead (much like the game ;))

I think it's been an unintended side effect of all the house rules. When I was playing AoS I found most of the content out there wasn't very relevant since the underlying game rules or armies were so different it wasn't really the same game. It really hit me watching or reading battle reports about AoS just how different everyone was playing the game.

So even if there were tons of people playing, there wasn't much to talk about between people playing with different comp systems. Much of the traffic on WFB was about list building, tactics, battle reports, etc... but when my area has completely different rules for how units move, shoot, points, etc... there really isn't much to talk about apart from modeling and painting stuff. I think it's probably been a positive change for small groups of friends who have tweaked the game to their liking, but for forums like this between strangers from all over it feels more dead than it probably is.

If this Generals Handbook coming out begins to set a standard for the game, particularly in organized events, you'd see actual game related discussion pick up on forums and such.

duffybear1988
21-06-2016, 13:31
I went over to Bugmans the other day because it used to be great for Dwarf info and I'm looking at making the most OP cheese list I can for Dwarfs in AoS just to troll people bringing ugly sigmarines to my local.

The forum was almost entirely dead. There were a couple of positive threads that weren't active but everything else was quiet or non existent. Apart from an AoS tactical write up that nobody had responded to there were some people moaning about how bad AoS is and that was kind of it.

Seems like most of my old haunts just gave up on GW since AoS.

I do wonder how much impact the Generals Handbook will have. The points system is going to need to be watertight and I just can't see it happening. I also think it's going to prove the age old chestnut about AoS being cheaper to play than Fantasy to be a lie. Yes if you only bring a box of troops and a hero it is cheaper to play (about 50), but then the old 400 point Fantasy armies weren't really much more expensive (battleforces were 50) and when you look at it like that you had more models, more units and more options with a 400 point battleforce set than you ever will with a single AoS box of troops and a hero.

Where I am, I certainly haven't seen lots of teeny tiny games going on. The odd game that gets played has similar numbers to old Fantasy.

Icarus81
21-06-2016, 14:02
Pretty much that.

Not even dedicated forums like TGA seem to have much actual game-related traffic.

That said, forums other than 9th age seem to experience an all-time low so it's part of a bigger trend (made worse by the whole AoS release chaos).

Do you remember what filled posts during 8th edition? Rules arguments. There is very little to argue on that currently. It's also hard to discuss the merit of units without a structure that would help define their overall worth during a game.

The AoS community is also slightly fractured as there are people who don't want points, because they like tacking all sorts of varied lists and enjoyed the lack of constraint. And since points will likely become defacto they feel threatened.

Overall activity has increased quite a bit since recent announcements. We can't expect the same numbers with a new system for quite some time as old players need to be convinced and new players found. 8th hold outs and 9th age communities will not grow quickly. They are limited by the local clubs and have no active marketing to put their name into the wild.

veterannoob
21-06-2016, 14:10
Yeah, the old race-specific races forums are In trouble to a degree. Got back into Bugman's for a few months to see what AoS scene was like but their traffic everywhere was so low. I've seen them and a. Few other familiar names from those sites and even these major forums (yes, here as well) join up on TGA not just for AoS hobby/tactics talk, but also wide discussion of the game, new products coming out from GW (or others). It's a great forum.

So I wouldn't expect those Bugman's or Lustria or whatever guys & gals back. When I started dipping my toe into. Forums in December I gave them all except BoLS and there are just so many deflating balloons. Gave up due to lack of traffic. Gave up on Bugman's (sad, maybe when more factions come out...), TWF, Lustria, Ogres. Dakka has some good AoS content often hit or miss.

shinros
21-06-2016, 14:16
Yeah, the old race-specific races forums are In trouble to a degree. Got back into Bugman's for a few months to see what AoS scene was like but their traffic everywhere was so low. I've seen them and a. Few other familiar names from those sites and even these major forums (yes, here as well) join up on TGA not just for AoS hobby/tactics talk, but also wide discussion of the game, new products coming out from GW (or others). It's a great forum.

So I wouldn't expect those Bugman's or Lustria or whatever guys & gals back. When I started dipping my toe into. Forums in December I gave them all except BoLS and there are just so many deflating balloons. Gave up due to lack of traffic. Gave up on Bugman's (sad, maybe when more factions come out...), TWF, Lustria, Ogres. Dakka has some good AoS content often hit or miss.

Yup I mainly hang around dakka and browse TGA because it's active and I like reading discussions. Hopefully the general handbook and the summer campaign might jump start the race forums a bit.

eron12
21-06-2016, 14:21
I think Lustria is one of the more active race specific forums, but all of them have taken a big hit. It's sad to say, but when Warhammer died and AoS was released a lot of people just... went away. Maybe some of them will come back with time, but most of the forums are shadows of themselves, including this one. Of course being down for all that time earlier this year did as much or more damage to Warseer.

veterannoob
21-06-2016, 14:24
Do you remember what filled posts during 8th edition? Rules arguments. There is very little to argue on that currently. It's also hard to discuss the merit of units without a structure that would help define their overall worth during a game.

The AoS community is also slightly fractured as there are people who don't want points, because they like tacking all sorts of varied lists and enjoyed the lack of constraint. And since points will likely become defacto they feel threatened.

Overall activity has increased quite a bit since recent announcements. We can't expect the same numbers with a new system for quite some time as old players need to be convinced and new players found. 8th hold outs and 9th age communities will not grow quickly. They are limited by the local clubs and have no active marketing to put their name into the wild.

*********** shifty hotel internet devoured my last post so here's the quick version. Rules questions and strategy are at higher level than you might think. Because there are so few rules but so many models with unique rules it makes list building and strategy much more fun than the limitattions of 8th. Like Warmahordes, regular releases, the synergies will always change and the seemingly endless possibilities endure while making the game challenging and exiting. If you care enough, just go poke your head in TGA and just have a look. But it's no wonder those who play AoS now instead of WFB or 9th left warseer to go there. No-brainer.
:angel:

Icarus81
21-06-2016, 14:24
Yup I mainly hang around dakka and browse TGA because it's active and I like reading discussions. Hopefully the general handbook and the summer campaign might jump start the race forums a bit.

Race forums will be the last bit to come back. They'd need a large number of kits to fill out a whole range to keep them busy - not just the one new monster and kits to replace old units.

Icarus81
21-06-2016, 14:27
*********** shifty hotel internet devoured my last post so here's the quick version. Rules questions and strategy are at higher level than you might think. Because there are so few rules but so many models with unique rules it makes list building and strategy much more fun than the limitattions of 8th. Like Warmahordes, regular releases, the synergies will always change and the seemingly endless possibilities endure while making the game challenging and exiting. If you care enough, just go poke your head in TGA and just have a look. But it's no wonder those who play AoS now instead of WFB or 9th left warseer to go there. No-brainer.
:angel:

Oh I know - I mean the posts on Warseer were mostly rules arguments. You don't get a lot of heated disagreement for AoS discussions right now.

shinros
21-06-2016, 14:29
Race forums will be the last bit to come back. They'd need a large number of kits to fill out a whole range to keep them busy - not just the one new monster and kits to replace old units.

True I can see your point.


*********** shifty hotel internet devoured my last post so here's the quick version. Rules questions and strategy are at higher level than you might think. Because there are so few rules but so many models with unique rules it makes list building and strategy much more fun than the limitattions of 8th. Like Warmahordes, regular releases, the synergies will always change and the seemingly endless possibilities endure while making the game challenging and exiting. If you care enough, just go poke your head in TGA and just have a look. But it's no wonder those who play AoS now instead of WFB or 9th left warseer to go there. No-brainer.
:angel:
Yeah considering the amount of hate people get when they talk about AOS of course they would move to a dedicated forums. Some People still think that AOS fans don't exist on total war forums but I had to explain do they really think they will come and talk about it considering the amount of vitrol they get? So hence they all stay at TGA, it's a pretty nice place.

veterannoob
21-06-2016, 15:09
True I can see your point.


Yeah considering the amount of hate people get when they talk about AOS of course they would move to a dedicated forums. Some People still think that AOS fans don't exist on total war forums but I had to explain do they really think they will come and talk about it considering the amount of vitrol they get? So hence they all stay at TGA, it's a pretty nice place.

True, but it's also mostly free (maybe 99%) free of just general bitching, against GW or gaming clubs, or cheesy rules or what new hotness kills the rest, or hobby wrecking or whatever. So it's not just about a game or a topic. It's a general attitude. Dakka is pretty good in the AoS sub forum for specifics, the trolls still burrow up here and there to be laughed down. The news & rumor sections on other forums seem to have a difference in gene attitude of posters which doesn't exactly mean you find all of them playing games or actively posting in those game sub forums. I mostly stay to BL on the forums but there have been some great discussions and inspiration from Warseer.

Matthias Thulmann
21-06-2016, 23:58
I think forums are on a general decline anyway. Social media Twitter accounts and Facebook groups tend to have more discussion. TGA forums are excellent and have some good content too.

Col. Tartleton
22-06-2016, 00:29
Social media will never replace anti social media.

theredknight
22-06-2016, 01:22
i think better splitting it but between AoS and Warhammer 8th edition (not name it Warhammer classic)

captaincortez
22-06-2016, 02:25
9th age and Kings of War are not Warhammer. Warhammer is still Warhammer.
WFB is all about the old world and its associated races. The Empire, Bretonnia, The Tomb Kings, etc. A game system by another name and based in a different universe belongs in its own forum or forum section within Warseer.

Warhammer guys, don't lose heart. The game is still here. The books weren't burned up or anything. :)

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Yowzo
22-06-2016, 07:08
Do you remember what filled posts during 8th edition? Rules arguments. There is very little to argue on that currently.

That's being a bit unfair. I made a point of going back a few years to a random TWF page (mid-8th edition, so no end times nonsense) and rules questions were between a fifth and a quarter of threads (and the shortest ones, since they tended to be answered rather quickly). Rest of discussions were for the most part army building, general tactics, the state of older books (Brets were a favourite), fluff questions, moaning about the latest WD format change, questions about how to start or which army to choose, alternative models, hype about new armybooks being released (and subsequent OP/UP discussions), best/worst topics, state of the meta, tournament formats, narrative campaigns, modelling topics and what would 9th edition bring.

The lengthy, vitriolic rules threads for the most part started when GW withdrew FAQ support.

Horace35
22-06-2016, 11:28
I think splitting the forums would have been a great idea when AoS hit. It is far too late for that now I fear. The Fantasy forums seem really dead, I can't imagine there would be a great amount of discussion in either the WFB or AoS forum at this point.

Would be really interesting to see the traffic decline to this area of the forums since AoS hit.

Folomo
22-06-2016, 13:12
I would use the AoS pools that was done every 3 months as a tool to measure the number of players. If I remember right the number of players was half the number after each pool.

Zywus
22-06-2016, 14:43
I think splitting the forums would have been a great idea when AoS hit. It is far too late for that now I fear. The Fantasy forums seem really dead, I can't imagine there would be a great amount of discussion in either the WFB or AoS forum at this point.

Would be really interesting to see the traffic decline to this area of the forums since AoS hit.
Yea, at this point it doesn't really matter anymore. From the polls we see a masisive decline in people voting. Two hard core of supporters and 'haterz' that's stayed largely the same, while the number of relatively neutral voters have left in droves. The interest for AoS as well as WHFB 8th edition seems too low to sustain separate fora. Most T9A discussion is concentrated to it's official forum.

I don't think it's some great missed opportunity by Warseer or anything. Had the systems been split, AoS discussion wold just have died out even faster and while 8th edition discussion would probably have lingered a bit longer, I can't see there being any lasting interest for that outside scattered groups (the only thing 8th ed has over T9A is basically that people who already know the system can keep playing it without needing to learn a new game).


If Warseer is to have a resurgence I believe it must become less GW-centric. A prominently placed news and rumour sub-forum, covering any game, including crowdfunding projects; where it's possible to properly [IMG] link to pictures could really invigorate the forum. I have no illusions that something like that will ever be implemented on Warseer though.

Folomo
22-06-2016, 15:44
Good idea. It would also follow the trend of GW not being "The Hobby" any longer and being just one of many game systems out there.

Wintermute
22-06-2016, 17:30
If Warseer is to have a resurgence I believe it must become less GW-centric. A prominently placed news and rumour sub-forum, covering any game, including crowdfunding projects; where it's possible to properly [IMG] link to pictures could really invigorate the forum. I have no illusions that something like that will ever be implemented on Warseer though.

This is what we intend to do, almost exactly as you have outlined.

Wintermute

Horace35
22-06-2016, 17:54
This is what we intend to do, almost exactly as you have outlined.

Wintermute
Cool I'm looking forward to it :)

Any eta?

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Vazalaar
22-06-2016, 17:59
This is what we intend to do, almost exactly as you have outlined.

Wintermute

Hmm, curious how this will turn out, as the only reason I come to this forum is to talk about GW products and the painting logs. For almost all other stuff (mainly historicals) I use facebook. I think the majority of people that come here is to talk about GW. I mean Mantic subforum is quite dead, not because people aren't interested in Mantic, but they have a good facebook page and an official forum, so they talk there about it.

To me it seems that only the bitter people stayed at Warseer, while all the rest moved on. Why would all the ones that left come back?

sephiroth87
22-06-2016, 19:22
Because it's improved and better fits people's interests nowadays? Warseer is still my go to gaming forum just for the option for using the Tapatalk app. Getting to see other games and kickstarter news makes me happy.

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Vazalaar
22-06-2016, 19:31
Because it's improved and better fits people's interests nowadays? Warseer is still my go to gaming forum just for the option for using the Tapatalk app. Getting to see other games and kickstarter news makes me happy.

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Why would a Flames of War, Bolt Action, Saga, Lion Rampant, Dragon Rampant, X-wing, GotA and etc.. suddently come posting here? There are plent of subforums here about non GW rulesets / miniatures and their combined traffic is still lower than the fantasy part... .
I love historicals, yet when I look at the people that engage in a topic about historical mini's it are always the same 10 posters or so.. . I don't believe for a second that a re-organization will make it more alive.. .

About kickstarters and small miniatures companies news. What I did was create a facebook account and liked all the minatures groups / companies that I could find.. I assure you.. now I learn to know a lot of new miniature company almost daily.. . Much more effective.

I.e Karol Rudyk his dragons -> facebook, V&V miniatures -> facebook, this is my latest purchase (https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/13445307_1262803917078312_7932875266523283583_n.jp g?oh=2bc5790dee0ae2887bb6d8b5596e61ec&oe=57C7A4E4) only 75 made. I would never have found this without facebook.. .

Folomo
22-06-2016, 19:33
To me it serves as a Hub where people who play different systems can give their opinions and share their experiences. There is almost 0 mention of other systems in specific forums, which makes it much more difficult to get a clear comparison.

sephiroth87
22-06-2016, 19:34
I'm not sure that it will help, either. But I personally like it. I do the same thing with Facebook, but I still miss a lot of stuff coming out. I'm not disputing your point, as you're probably right. But personally, I'm happy to see the change in the forum.

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Zywus
22-06-2016, 19:46
This is what we intend to do, almost exactly as you have outlined.

Wintermute
Sweet. Consider me corrected, and hopeful.:D

Perhaps Warseer will yet rise to it's former glory.

Zywus
22-06-2016, 19:51
Why would a Flames of War, Bolt Action, Saga, Lion Rampant, Dragon Rampant, X-wing, GotA and etc.. suddently come posting here? There are plent of subforums here about non GW rulesets / miniatures and their combined traffic is still lower than the fantasy part... .
I love historicals, yet when I look at the people that engage in a topic about historical mini's it are always the same 10 posters or so.. . I don't believe for a second that a re-organization will make it more alive.. .

About kickstarters and small miniatures companies news. What I did was create a facebook account and liked all the minatures groups / companies that I could find.. I assure you.. now I learn to know a lot of new miniature company almost daily.. . Much more effective.

I.e Karol Rudyk his dragons -> facebook, V&V miniatures -> facebook, this is my latest purchase (https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/13445307_1262803917078312_7932875266523283583_n.jp g?oh=2bc5790dee0ae2887bb6d8b5596e61ec&oe=57C7A4E4) only 75 made. I would never have found this without facebook.. .
Look at Dakkas news and rumour sub-forum.
Great place to find out about what's going on in the big game communities and to find out about KS's.

And a great bit less hassle than creating separate facebook accounts.:wtf: I can barely be bothered to check my real one most of the time, I would never consider creating another one. Anything interesting tend to find it's way to news-threads anyway, or aggregate news sites such as beastsofwar.com or ttfix.blogspot.com (a personal favorite of mine).

Vazalaar
22-06-2016, 20:33
Look at Dakkas news and rumour sub-forum.
Great place to find out about what's going on in the big game communities and to find out about KS's.

And a great bit less hassle than creating separate facebook accounts.:wtf: I can barely be bothered to check my real one most of the time, I would never consider creating another one. Anything interesting tend to find it's way to news-threads anyway, or aggregate news sites such as beastsofwar.com or ttfix.blogspot.com (a personal favorite of mine).

So copying Dakkadakke, roger that. Btw, I only follow the Dakkadakka news and rumours subforum, but what you see there is maybe 5% of all the companies that produce mini's and than I am generous.

About creating seperate facebook accounts. I have only one, which I use purely for hobby related stuff. I couldn't care less about x person, posting a selfie.. . ;)

Zywus
22-06-2016, 20:52
So copying Dakkadakke, roger that. Btw, I only follow the Dakkadakka news and rumours subforum, but what you see there is maybe 5% of all the companies that produce mini's and than I am generous.
In that case, you'll soon be in a great position to spread the word about those other 95% in the new future Warseer news/rumour sub-forum :D

StygianBeach
22-06-2016, 21:42
Hmm, curious how this will turn out, as the only reason I come to this forum is to talk about GW products and the painting logs. For almost all other stuff (mainly historicals) I use facebook. I think the majority of people that come here is to talk about GW. I mean Mantic subforum is quite dead, not because people aren't interested in Mantic, but they have a good facebook page and an official forum, so they talk there about it.

To me it seems that only the bitter people stayed at Warseer, while all the rest moved on. Why would all the ones that left come back?

I agree, I also think that spreading topics so widely may make finding specific things difficult.

I would prefer Warseer did a small number of things well.

Captain Marius
23-06-2016, 14:00
They could use a tagging system, so all threads are posted in one broad forum eg rumours/rules/painting/battle reports and users can filter what they want to see, eg id want aos/wfb/40k/black library/forgeworld etc. Easy peasy!

Wintermute
23-06-2016, 18:44
Any eta?

No because if, at the moment I set a target date, I'll miss it.


Hmm, curious how this will turn out, as the only reason I come to this forum is to talk about GW products and the painting logs. For almost all other stuff (mainly historicals) I use facebook. I think the majority of people that come here is to talk about GW. I mean Mantic subforum is quite dead, not because people aren't interested in Mantic, but they have a good facebook page and an official forum, so they talk there about it.

To me it seems that only the bitter people stayed at Warseer, while all the rest moved on. Why would all the ones that left come back?

All the subjects which bring you here will remain and some will be promoted more. Other parts of WarSeer with little or no traffic will be reviewed/rolled into other forums or just closed.

Captain Marius
23-06-2016, 18:54
Im excited to read this, ive been lurking and posting on this forum since portent so im really keen to see it get even better :)