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anselminus
05-12-2016, 21:00
With the arrival of Daemon Primarchs into the galaxy and traitors spilling from the Eye, the Imperium desperately needs to work together to ensure its continued survival.

Next week, they get much needed aid, in the form of Codex: Imperial Agents.

This is a book that compiles together loads of specialist forces that commonly operate alongside other armies within the Imperium – including agents from the Inquisition, Officio Assassinorum, Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Adepta Sororitas, Cult Mechanicus, Adeptus Astra Telepathica, Aeronautica Imperialis, and even the Legion of the Damned.

https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/11/10/06/06/inquis10.jpg (https://servimg.com/view/11100606/1707)

Much of this content is only available digitally at the moment, some of it is new, and much of it is updated.

It’s worth saying that this will not replace existing printed codexes for the Deathwatch or Grey Knights – this just means that, if you want to add a small strike force of Elite Space Marines to your Imperial army (perhaps requisitioned by an Inquisitor, or high ranking officer), this book makes it easy for you to do so.

Speaking of which, one of the coolest things in the codex is a change to the way that the Inquisitorial Henchman Warband works. To further represent the unique nature of the Ordos (and a lot of the fiction featuring these mysterious individuals) Inquisitors can now go to battle with a squad of elite power-armoured warriors appropriate to their specialisation: Grey Knights for the Ordo Malleus, Deathwatch for the Ordo Xenos or Battle Sisters for the Ordo Hereticus, they still keep their acolytes, general hangers-on and space-oranguatan-mechanics.

We’ll have more details for you soon.

Suffice to say for now – if you have an Imperial force of any sort, this is a useful book for you.

Vazalaar
05-12-2016, 21:06
It seems that it is also accompanied by a (resin) Sister of Battle Canoness. (See War of Sigmar blog. (https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1457))

anselminus
05-12-2016, 21:37
It seems that it is also accompanied by a (resin) Sister of Battle Canoness. (See War of Sigmar blog. (https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1457))

Why resin? Sister of Battle Canoness will be probably in plastic clampack, GW will not release the full range right away.

Voss
05-12-2016, 22:44
You know, you might want to say that you're just copying the warhammer community post. For clarity, and so that people know the details (such as they are) are 100% legitimate.


Though it makes me wonder if the sisters rumours are just so much wishing again. If they're reprinting (and maybe kinda updating) the Sisters rules in this, that makes a new codex soon unlikely, does it not?

silverstu
05-12-2016, 23:07
Why resin? Sister of Battle Canoness will be probably in plastic clampack, GW will not release the full range right away.

I'd hope its a plastic clampack- there has been no conformation either way.

sigur
05-12-2016, 23:14
This amuses me to no end. After all this release was mentioned in 2nd edition codices and Codex Army Lists under pretty much all the Allies paragraphs. :D

EffCee
06-12-2016, 05:20
This amuses me to no end. After all this release was mentioned in 2nd edition codices and Codex Army Lists under pretty much all the Allies paragraphs. :D

So are you saying that I should still hold some small glimmer of hope for Codex: Squats?

Lost Egg
06-12-2016, 07:41
No. Which is odd as with their cult status and the recent GW nostalgia trip you'd think now would be the time to re-imagine them as the Demiurg. :(

I know some people are heavily invested in Grey Knight & Sisters armies etc but for me I think they should have stayed as allies rather than be needlessly expanded. Many of these would only be deployed in small numbers much of the time anyway.

This book will be useful for anyone wanting to play Kill Team with any of these squads.

The Black Shield
06-12-2016, 08:05
Sadly we will never, ever, see new Squats. It turns out that GW didn't own the Squats. A former freelance contractor did. That is why Mantic has the Forge Fathers.

EffCee
06-12-2016, 08:12
I was being flippant ;) I'm well aware of the status of Squats sadly. It was merely a response to Sigur's post, as Codex: Squats was referenced in the Allies section of the 2nd Ed Imperial Guard book.

anselminus
06-12-2016, 08:53
Confirmation of sister special character in resin.
https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/11/10/06/06/canone10.png (https://servimg.com/view/11100606/1708)

Kakapo42
06-12-2016, 09:46
Well I can't say I'm looking forward to the Sisters of Battle character model - No GW model in the last 3 years has made me genuinely happy, and I don't see why this one would be any different (especially if it's a box, which suggests that she'll probably be placed on some obscene form of transportation like poor old Logan was) - but it would be nice to have the current Sisters of Battle rules in a physical format. It might mean I even manage to get a couple of games in with the Sisters of Battle army I have in the pipeline.

sigur
06-12-2016, 09:50
So are you saying that I should still hold some small glimmer of hope for Codex: Squats?

Seems like it!


I'm not sure how this somehow led to anybody seriously talking about Squats. At this point in time I can't rule out GW doing ANYTHING. But of course they'd mess it up, despite their rather good track record with things lately. I mean look at the upcoming BB dwarfs. For some reason they seem to have thought that Mantic of all people do a good job at dwarfs and go for that look.

Based on the single SoB mini I take Codex:Imperial Agents will be a catalogue of very expensive single minis for collectors? :)

anselminus
06-12-2016, 10:07
I see sister will be a miniature version of John Blanche v2 codex illu.

Voss
06-12-2016, 18:18
Seems like it!


I'm not sure how this somehow led to anybody seriously talking about Squats. At this point in time I can't rule out GW doing ANYTHING. But of course they'd mess it up, despite their rather good track record with things lately. I mean look at the upcoming BB dwarfs. For some reason they seem to have thought that Mantic of all people do a good job at dwarfs and go for that look.

Based on the single SoB mini I take Codex:Imperial Agents will be a catalogue of very expensive single minis for collectors? :)
Not really. Imperial Agents (and to a much lesser extent Chaos Legions) read like reprint books. In the latter case there is some new stuff, but it also renders traitors hate and even wrath of magnus rather pointless (reprinting their rule content). IA just seems to be a partial-to-full reprint of various imperial mini-dexes from the last couple years. And if it is partial, it's going to be a pretty terrible product. If you can't field the full force of <faction> from this book, whyever would you buy it?

Necrontyr
06-12-2016, 18:31
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Lord Damocles
06-12-2016, 18:33
Sold.

Gimme gimme gimme!

anselminus
06-12-2016, 18:35
Yesterday, we took a very quick look at the upcoming Codex: Imperial Agents book, and it’s looking very exciting (unless you’re a heretic, of course…).

This book isn’t accompanying a new range of miniature, but we couldn’t let the release of a new book containing so many awesome sub-factions under the Imperial aegis pass without some sort of model to mark the occasion. So, our Studio Team set sculptor Martin Footit the task of creating an iconic miniature to accompany the book – and he didn’t disappoint.

https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/11/10/06/06/veryid10.jpg (https://servimg.com/view/11100606/1709)

veryidian

Many of you veteran collectors out there will recognise the fearsome warrior maiden Canoness Veridyan from the John Blanche illustration on the cover of the original Codex: Sisters of Battle. She is every inch the faithful representation of that iconic figure from two decades past, from her archaic bolt-pistol to her sanctified power sword and even down to the engraved heretic

You will be able to pre-order Adepta Sororitas Canoness Veridyan this weekend, and she will only be available while stocks last. She’ll also be accompanied by a new selection of Made to Order miniatures, from the Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy and Adepta Sororitas range, including some classics not available for years.

Vazalaar
06-12-2016, 19:10
Very nice! I will try to order one through their website, but I fear it will be sold out very quickly.

Kakapo42
06-12-2016, 19:52
OH HELL NO!! A painstaking recreation of the classic Blanche cover art subject AND a wave of Made To Order Sisters of Battle and Inquisition models? My credit balance can't withstand that! Why oh why couldn't this have come in just two and a half weeks when I'd have Christmas money to burn. Wallet, Brace for Impact!

Well played GW, well played.

Sureshot05
06-12-2016, 20:29
So is she plastic? Is this the fabled plastic sisters of battle release? Or should the man in the bin have said "plastic sister of battle" rather than "plastic sisterS of battle"

I am not a sisters player, but a good friend is and I think he will be really disappointed to find out that GW led him on with the bin vid.

silverstu
06-12-2016, 20:42
So is she plastic? Is this the fabled plastic sisters of battle release? Or should the man in the bin have said "plastic sister of battle" rather than "plastic sisterS of battle"

I am not a sisters player, but a good friend is and I think he will be really disappointed to find out that GW led him on with the bin vid.

No this is a a resin kit- Atia describes it as a taster- Sisters are coming a little later by the sounds of things [to be fair to the "bin" video- they did say they weren't coming out for ages so probably a couple of months away yet so your mate can keep saving!].

Voss
06-12-2016, 20:43
Oh, dear. Corsets and chunky high heels in an attempt to create a model based on a very stylized piece of art, and a 'made to order' release (read: 'rush to buy at absurdly inflated prices before we arbitrarily stop casting them') to push some quick sales.

I don't have a good feeling about this.

MOMUS
06-12-2016, 23:28
Is this thread a Hollywood remake/reboot of this thread? http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?383684-Codex-Inquisition-CLOSED

Azazyll
06-12-2016, 23:45
I like that they tried to make a copy of a classic and excellent piece of Blanche art (he will always be the very definition of Grimdark to me), but whoever sculpted this should be fired. That is a terribly sloppy model. Part of that could be the paint job, but not the oversized shoulderpads (much bigger than in the art) or the various angles that don't quite match and generally detract from the aesthetic. It's not just retro in terms of inspiration, it's retro in terms of design and quality, and I don't in this case find that to be a good thing.

Dryaktylus
07-12-2016, 00:32
Well, I like the model - and the transition from the artwork to a model isn't easy. Needs more skulls on the base though.

Voss
07-12-2016, 01:00
Well, I like the model - and the transition from the artwork to a model isn't easy. Needs more skulls on the base though.

Well, that's kind of the thing. GW's 'Heroic' scale doesn't allow for a good transition between artwork and model. Hence the already oversized gun becomes grossly gargantuan even over the chunkified legs and the feminine features of the face are completely lost. And the skulls move from... adornments on her corset(ish) outfit to actually being her breasts, meanwhile the change in the number of buttons between art and model highlights just how much of the abdomen GW's model style eats. The model basically highlights all the reasons you shouldn't do this- their model design is highly stylized, and it doesn't work if it tries to be accurate.

Dryaktylus
07-12-2016, 01:30
Even 'realistic' scale wouldn't allow a 'good' translation - I mean, she is clad in power armour, not a latex suit (look at her legs). The gun may be oversized, but it's not that bad - check this out (https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sisters-of-Battle-Superior-with-Bolter). Back to the 'chunky' legs - they look far more realistic than those of every other (power-armoured) SoB miniature.

As I said. I like the model and the execution and will try to get one (or two).

Chem-Dog
07-12-2016, 01:38
Thinking out loud here, but could this represents a launiche pad for a new army or two? Obviously the GK's and DW are pretty comprehensively covered and I suspect this book will represent them in a somewhat truncated format leaving some things back for thexample "pure" army. Not hard to see the SoB get a similar looking level of support, "core" stuff now and fleshed out a little further down the line.

Voss
07-12-2016, 03:41
Even 'realistic' scale wouldn't allow a 'good' translation - I mean, she is clad in power armour, not a latex suit (look at her legs). The gun may be oversized, but it's not that bad - check this out (https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sisters-of-Battle-Superior-with-Bolter).
That is a boltgun. This new model has a pistol, the height of which is bigger than her head. I like the legs on that old metal model much better as well, especially the non-crippling boots
Truthfully, in the artwork she does look like she's in a latex suit with shoulder pads and armored booties that look like the were designed by ancient Chinese foot-wrappers.


Thinking out loud here, but could this represents a launiche pad for a new army or two? Obviously the GK's and DW are pretty comprehensively covered and I suspect this book will represent them in a somewhat truncated format leaving some things back for thexample "pure" army. Not hard to see the SoB get a similar looking level of support, "core" stuff now and fleshed out a little further down the line.
My thinking is the opposite. It's a snack to appease people while a full release is even further off. I know during the hiatus Dakka was full of people who think a full Sisters release is just around the corner (again). The way GW is describing this book suggests to me that it is another stopgap like the 'updated' digital version that happened.

Kakapo42
07-12-2016, 04:24
My thinking is the opposite. It's a snack to appease people while a full release is even further off. I know during the hiatus Dakka was full of people who think a full Sisters release is just around the corner (again). The way GW is describing this book suggests to me that it is another stopgap like the 'updated' digital version that happened.

If that is indeed true then I will be very pleased. The longer a full Sisters of Battle release is delayed the more time I have to get the models from that range I want. I can live with a stopgap ruleset for the time being, provided it's available in a physical format. Now if only they'd make the 2004 Immolator kit fully available again...

Astraeos
07-12-2016, 08:07
Now if only they'd make the 2004 Immolator kit fully available again...

Oh, tell me about it!!!!

silentsmoke
07-12-2016, 10:12
I hope this will lead to a promising start to 2017..

Bloodknight
07-12-2016, 10:16
'rush to buy at absurdly inflated prices

To be fair, none of the Made to Order stuff was sold so far at higher prices than the minis used to be when they were last regularly available.

verydarkshadow
07-12-2016, 12:19
Oh, dear. Corsets and chunky high heels in an attempt to create a model based on a very stylized piece of art, and a 'made to order' release (read: 'rush to buy at absurdly inflated prices before we arbitrarily stop casting them') to push some quick sales.

I don't have a good feeling about this.

Yeah, I'm all for them drawing inspiration from their past, but I'd like to think they'd have the discretion not to reproduce a sketch of a dominatrix in fetish gear and try to pass it off as a female soldier. It's ridiculous and just a bit misogynistic.

Bloodknight
07-12-2016, 12:22
Yeah, I'm all for them drawing inspiration from their past, but I'd like to think they'd have the discretion not to reproduce a sketch of a dominatrix in fetish gear and try to pass it off as a female soldier. It's ridiculous and just a bit misogynistic.

It's the 80s.
Have you ever seen Blanche's Artworks? They're all about the fetish - I'm happy one of her legs isn't a stump, he does like his amputees.

AngryAngel
07-12-2016, 12:28
This is great, back home and its up and running, mostly it seems. How has everyone been ? Divided on the model for SoB but that said, getting the book and looking forward to plastic sisters, cross fingers here folks their time could be soon, Heck may have frozen over.

Infern0
07-12-2016, 13:15
Yeah, I'm all for them drawing inspiration from their past, but I'd like to think they'd have the discretion not to reproduce a sketch of a dominatrix in fetish gear and try to pass it off as a female soldier. It's ridiculous and just a bit misogynistic.

Stop please, dakkadakka thread was ruined by people trying to find misogyny..

I like the model myself, one of the best from GW in the last couple of years, imho
Heroic scale did ruin the transition, and turn a black tight suit into black power armor, I agree, but the sculptor still did a pretty good job!
It's unfortunate, that it's a limited run, I will have a very slim chance aquiring it, with no official GW existing close by :(

Astraeos
07-12-2016, 16:23
I like the model myself, one of the best from GW in the last couple of years, imho
Heroic scale did ruin the transition, and turn a black tight suit into black power armor, I agree, but the sculptor still did a pretty good job!
It's unfortunate, that it's a limited run, I will have a very slim chance aquiring it, with no official GW existing close by :(

I agree about the model, it's wonderful!
As for getting one, just do what I do and make sure you're awake when the pre-orders go up. I find it's usually about 10.00 UK time on Saturday.

Chem-Dog
07-12-2016, 16:36
My thinking is the opposite. It's a snack to appease people while a full release is even further off. I know during the hiatus Dakka was full of people who think a full Sisters release is just around the corner (again). The way GW is describing this book suggests to me that it is another stopgap like the 'updated' digital version that happened.

That's virtually the same thing as I was saying, isn't it?!
Two or three kits could flesh out a majority of the SoB lineup as it currently stands and leave a later full release free of the need to service core units. I've not seen anything that suggests this is happening, so perhaps they're content to pump out limited runs of existing assets.

blackcherry
07-12-2016, 16:42
This is great, back home and its up and running, mostly it seems. How has everyone been ? Divided on the model for SoB but that said, getting the book and looking forward to plastic sisters, cross fingers here folks their time could be soon, Heck may have frozen over.

It's a John Blanche drawing brought to life in model form - some people have enough issues with his artwork anyway, so any model produced from it is never going to please everyone. And those worrying about the model looking like they are in fetish gear really shouldn't look up Blanches own line of models from a few years ago...

Not quite sure on it myself, but it will make a good central figure for an army if I do decide to get it.

verydarkshadow
07-12-2016, 21:30
It just seems weird that they'd choose to make a new model for the only all-female army in the game look more like some kind of dominatrix than a practicle soldier, or a religious zealot. You know, something that looks like a Sister of Battle. Anyway, hopefully the rest of the plastic range will be better executed, and free of any of John Blanch's influence.

Lord Damocles
07-12-2016, 21:35
practicle soldier
Because everyone else is in such practical gear..?

Voss
07-12-2016, 22:36
That's virtually the same thing as I was saying, isn't it?!.
No, not at all. You referred to it as a launch pad of armies. I'm thinking this is a fire and forget so they can put things off for another 5 or 10 years.



To be fair, none of the Made to Order stuff was sold so far at higher prices than the minis used to be when they were last regularly available.
Hmm, my mistake. I must have followed a 'downunder' link to the GW site and not realized it changed my location. It was showing the daemonettes as $80 or so. Now that I'm back on the US side, things look more sane.
Well, then, I retract that part of the statement.


Yeah, I'm all for them drawing inspiration from their past, but I'd like to think they'd have the discretion not to reproduce a sketch of a dominatrix in fetish gear and try to pass it off as a female soldier. It's ridiculous and just a bit misogynistic.
Yeah, that wasn't where I was going. I think the modeller's attempt at the outfit is simply ugly, and the gun is even more grossly outsized than usual. The art isn't all that fetishy. You can tell there is certainly some pin-up inspiration in the leg pose, but she's fully dressed and has actual weapons (rather than a whip or crop). The heels are a bit silly... but really, GW's hang-ups with women are usually remembering they exist at all, not exploitation.

verydarkshadow
07-12-2016, 22:51
Because everyone else is in such practical gear..?


Strictly speaking, of course not. But space marine power armour, skitarii war plate, eldar mesh armour, and tau fire warrior armour - for example - are all pretty clearly designed to appear to be functional armour in the first place. This SoB looks like she crawled out of a sex dungeon and grabbed her bolt pistol.

Kakapo42
08-12-2016, 00:32
hopefully the rest of the plastic range will be better executed, and free of any of John Blanch's influence.

HERESY!!

I understand that Blanche's style is certainly an acquired taste, but crazy Blanchian religious Gothic insanity is a major part of the Sisters of Battle aesthetic and character, and more than half the appeal of the range for a lot of people (myself included - not for nothing are my two favourite models in the Sisters of Battle range the Penitent Engine and the metal GW Exorcist). Deleting all of John Blanche's influence would produce a range of models so vastly wildly irreconcilably different to the current range (and by extension most people's collections of said model range) that they might as well be a separate new faction entirely.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see sensible practical human female models in the 40k range as much as the next guy (well not really, but that's only because I don't think GW would do a good job of them. Once they remember how to make cool looking models again I'd be happy to see them put out some sensible looking human females), but I don't think the Sisters of Battle range is the best place for them (now the Imperial Guard, on the other hand...).

Also, while I'm on the subject, say what you will about the practicalities of the current Sisters of Battle models, but they do at least have reasonably sensible hairstyles, unlike a certain other range of 'sister' models that GW released a short while ago...

Gorthaur
08-12-2016, 02:30
I'd like to see any plastic SoBs take over the karl kopinski stuff, which takes influence from blanche a bit. But is a bit more gritty...like Kakapo42 said, if you remove blanches style from the range then you get something which isn't sisters of battle at all...might as well just be something brand new.

The newer sisters of silence models are immensely bland by the way, compared to the gothic style of the SoB. They have little personality or anything...but maybe thats the point.

Bloodknight
08-12-2016, 07:31
The heels are a bit silly...

The fetish boots are typically Blanche. A lot of his female characters have these:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/John_Blanche_-_Amazonia_Gothique.jpg
This lady existed as a Perry sculpt, but I've never seen one in real life.

They're also often crippled, mostly missing one lower leg, replaced by some kind of spike.

check these out:
http://www.sodemons.com/rhfm/

They were sold in this tin:
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/File:FM_tinf.jpg

AngryAngel
08-12-2016, 09:06
It's a John Blanche drawing brought to life in model form - some people have enough issues with his artwork anyway, so any model produced from it is never going to please everyone. And those worrying about the model looking like they are in fetish gear really shouldn't look up Blanches own line of models from a few years ago...

Not quite sure on it myself, but it will make a good central figure for an army if I do decide to get it.

That is about where I am at.

Though having said that, I'm all for fetish gear models, so I guess I'm not the type take issue with it. I also heard this will be limited for store pick ups, but be around for awhile on the GW online store, so take heart everyone who wants it, should be plenty around after all.

Infern0
08-12-2016, 11:39
Strictly speaking, of course not. But space marine power armour, skitarii war plate, eldar mesh armour, and tau fire warrior armour - for example - are all pretty clearly designed to appear to be functional armour in the first place. This SoB looks like she crawled out of a sex dungeon and grabbed her bolt pistol.



What is it with you and sex dungeons and dominatrixes??? :p

Even if there was a fetish/bdsm subtext, it actually would make sense:

Sisters of Battle love to show that, they are female(hence the name), and no males are allowed in their squads (with power armor, ect). And they are witch hunters, heretic hunters, so they come to their foe in the suits, that underline their sex, with different gothic over the top religious fanatical attitude and details on their armor. Power armor is tough to break through, so when the whole parade approaches the heretics, they begin to panic: pathos, fanatical music, dresses- all of that makes sure, the witches know, who's coming and that there is no stopping them. The sisters of battle are here and they WILL punish the misguided ;)

A.T.
08-12-2016, 14:19
...if you remove blanches style from the range then you get something which isn't sisters of battle at all...might as well just be something brand new.I would say that the current line is Blanche... with less of the Blanche. It kept some of the gothic but none of the rest of the line has heels, blanche-poses, latex legs, etc*

*aside from the repentia/mistress who were poorly implemented.

As for being misogynistic - Blanche drew his male characters with heels, skulls, fur and latex. IIRC even one of his primarchs had heels, they guy certainly had his fetishes.

SilverTabby
08-12-2016, 22:38
Because everyone else is in such practical gear..?

Take it from someone who is trying to faithfully reproduce the sisters look in practical larp armour, I concur the gear is impractical ;)

Necrontyr
09-12-2016, 21:21
Pre-orders up in NZ

This 136-page full-colour Codex presents background and rules for a number of smaller Imperial factions, whose forces fight alongside other armies of the Emperor. Use the rules, datasheets, wargear and detachments included to add members of the following operatives to any army of the Imperium:

- A full army list for the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas
- Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors of the Adeptus Mechanicus
- Valkyries of the Aeronautica Imperialis
- Battle Psykers and Astropaths of the Astra Telepathica
- Priests of the Adeptus Ministorum
- Kill Teams and Corvus Blackstars of the Deathwatch
- Terminator Squads and Nemesis Dreadknights of the Grey Knights
- The Legion of the Damned
- Assassins of the Officio Assassinorum
- Inquisitors of the Inquisition

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Warhammer-40-000?Nu=product.repositoryId&N=102331+3252425321&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440130a-flat

Kakapo42
09-12-2016, 21:23
And the pre-orders are up. It's a very good selection. Someone please tell me however, am I dreaming, have I gone totally insane, or is the Immolator kit back up permanently? It's listed in the regular Sisters of Battle range as a pre-order option, and I can't see any made to order or last chance to buy logos on the thumbnail. If it is back for good then I can only say praise be to The Emperor for this miracle! I'll certainly be loading up on them with Christmas money in a couple of weeks (and praying they don't vanish before then).

Sure it seems to have come at the cost of removing the 3-woman Battle Sisters blister pack, thus screwing up the process of ordering custom Battle Sister squads (since the ideal number of regular Battle Sisters is 6 if you're wanting a Veteran Superior, Imagifer and special/heavy weapons, which was easy to get with the 3-model blisters but is awkward if they only come in 5s now), and the fantastic St Celestine going Last Chance to Buy, but that's a small price to pay in my eyes.

The Black Shield
09-12-2016, 22:18
How do those prices compare to normal New Zealand pricing?

wabbit
09-12-2016, 22:24
How do those prices compare to normal New Zealand pricing?

I know right? Sat here in the UK trying to tot up the impact on my bank balance when the pre orders go up tomorrow, was not expecting the Immolator etc

The Black Shield
09-12-2016, 22:30
I saw those price and forgot that it was New Zealand dollars and not U.S. and almost crapped my pants.

Lord Damocles
09-12-2016, 23:01
It bothers me that the Seraphim Superior they've used in the squad picture on the website is from the studio's pre-Codex: Witch Hunters army, and so has pre-Armageddon 3 robes.

Warhams-77
09-12-2016, 23:28
Full SoB army list? Interesting

wabbit
10-12-2016, 00:30
Must say I find the blurb for the Index Imperialis: Apocrypha interesting:

- the original accounts of the Emperor and the Imperium of mankind from Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader;
- background on the organisation and deployment of Imperial Guardsmen;
- early descriptions of the Legio Cybernetica of the Adeptus Mechanicus;
- concept sketches for a selection of Imperial miniatures and special characters;
- in-depth background on the Ecclesiarchy and the Battle Sisters of the Adeptus Sororitas;
- influential early artwork from artists such as John Blanche and Jes Goodwin;
- a comprehensive study of the hive world and gangs of Necromunda;

“in-depth background” and “a comprehensive study” read like a sales pitch for upcoming lines, such a targeted highlight for Necromunda and the SOB in an otherwise general book

Voss
10-12-2016, 05:10
How do those prices compare to normal New Zealand pricing?
You ask difficult questions, partly because the Sisters prices have been absurd for a while. Earlier this week, the battle sisters squad (165 NZ) was still on the US site and was $87.50 in US dollars.
A lot of the Rubric stuff is just shy (like 1 or 5 off) of double the US prices. So Rubrics are 99 instead of 50, and Scarabs are 115 NZ of 60.

So rule of thumb for the night is cut in half +/-5 and you've got an approximation of the US price. Which is still about $50 for five sister squads and near $100 for retributors and seraphim.

it does mean the single models are possibly less than $20 (which is relatively kind by current GW standards), and the immolator about $40-ish.


On the book:



- A full army list for the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas
So.... Codex SoB plus random others. Coupled with the mass rollout of the old metals this crushes a lot of hope for a Sisters relaunch.


- Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors of the Adeptus Mechanicus
- Valkyries of the Aeronautica Imperialis
- Battle Psykers and Astropaths of the Astra Telepathica
- Priests of the Adeptus Ministorum

Random selection of reprints from the Guard codex... uh... OK?
When WarTeeth (See below) mentioned mechanicus, I assumed they meant Mechanicus, not... enginseers.


- Kill Teams and Corvus Blackstars of the Deathwatch
- Terminator Squads and Nemesis Dreadknights of the Grey Knights
Hmm. I don't... quite... get... this


- The Legion of the Damned
Reprint. Somewhat odd, but I guess the point is to make them obviously accessible to non-SM(including non Codex) armies.


- Assassins of the Officio Assassinorum
About the only thing that seems obvious and expected. Rather than one full list, and dribs and drabs of reprints from elsewhere.


- Inquisitors of the Inquisition
Sure. Might as well be here... The warhammer community website (which is far too long...I dub it the WarTeeth Site, after the dental horror that is its front page) makes specific mention of acolytes and henchmen, so presumably those rules are here too.

Lord Damocles
10-12-2016, 08:34
So.... Codex SoB plus random others. Coupled with the mass rollout of the old metals this crushes a lot of hope for a Sisters relaunch.
The new Canoness has a new style of box with Sisters' iconography - similarly to how Magnus' box presaged the arrival of the Thousand Sons faction.

Rumours were for Sisters models in the new year, anyway, so there's still time.

Spiney Norman
10-12-2016, 09:04
The new Canoness has a new style of box with Sisters' iconography - similarly to how Magnus' box presaged the arrival of the Thousand Sons faction.

Rumours were for Sisters models in the new year, anyway, so there's still time.

Right, this could simply be a push to clear any back stock they still have of metal Sisters before launching a new range next year. The special canoness model might be a nostalgic throw back, but it also brings the most iconic SoB artwork ever to the forefront of everyone's minds. Imho that's a good way to build hype for a full revamp of the army.

As someone who has played Sisters since Codex Witch Hunters dropped in 2003 I am very happy to see the immolator back on sale, that is the biggest step they could possibly have made towards making Sisters playable again even though the buy-in cost is still absurdly high.

silentsmoke
10-12-2016, 09:56
Well I'm gonna get the Imperialis: Apocrypha book and re-order the next one (even though I a e all the old books anyway), the Canoness and that's it. I will see what happens next year for Sob. I will buy the imperial agents codex being an imperial player, but in no rush to do so.

Come on GW make the dream a reality!

Lord Damocles
10-12-2016, 10:08
...Aaand the Canoness is out of stock.

Vazalaar
10-12-2016, 10:19
Lady Atia from War of Sigmar posted a couple of minutes ago on her blog this:
There should be more plastic sisters on the way. No ETA though.

Thus I assume that they will come.

nagash66
10-12-2016, 10:41
Lady Atia from War of Sigmar posted a couple of minutes ago on her blog this:

Thus I assume that they will come.
'should be' but 'no eta' is not even a rumor, its whishlisting.

Voss
10-12-2016, 15:11
The new Canoness has a new style of box with Sisters' iconography - similarly to how Magnus' box presaged the arrival of the Thousand Sons faction.

Rumours were for Sisters models in the new year, anyway, so there's still time.

There is always time. That isn't an issue. But if they're coming next year, why a full army list in this book? (When, overall, this isn't a book about full armies) Why bring back a bunch of old stuff for sale? This isn't clearing back stock, this actually brings back models that weren't for sale anymore, and puts them on sale again.

It can't be testing the waters to see what the demand for sisters is, because if they are producing them next year, that ship is already sailed and they've done most of the work and sunk most of the costs.

It doesn't seem to serve any purpose.


Re: the new box. Eh. That isn't exactly a sign of anything. Black background, swap picture, alter three lines of text. That's a template and maybe ten minutes of work to swap it all and double check that you centered the pic.

Lord Damocles
10-12-2016, 15:15
It doesn't seem to serve any purpose.
Shameless cash grab?

Maybe they're trying to replicate the 2nd ed. Codex: Sisters of Battle by having it be invalidated a couple of months after release.


Also I just got an email to say the Canoness was back in stock, headed to the website, and she's out again. Lrn 2 stock management, GW!

Chem-Dog
10-12-2016, 18:33
No, not at all. You referred to it as a launch pad of armies. I'm thinking this is a fire and forget so they can put things off for another 5 or 10 years.

Ah, I see the distinction. I tend to see 5 years as a short term in GW time XD

Vazalaar
10-12-2016, 18:51
'should be' but 'no eta' is not even a rumor, its whishlisting. Maybe, but the past have proven that Lady Atia is very reliable. If I had to guess, I do think we will see some SoB plastics early 2017, but we will see. If anything is clear is that 2017 will a very interesting year.

Voss
10-12-2016, 22:01
Ah, I see the distinction. I tend to see 5 years as a short term in GW time XD

:)
depends what we're talking about. Sisters or Dark Eldar, I suppose so. New editions or space marine codexes, well at this point, I expect two each in that time frame now.

Lord Damocles
11-12-2016, 13:31
Interestingly, todays blog post (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/10/made-to-ordo/) shows two of the old Inquisitors in Terminator Armour as Made To Order models, but they're not actually available.

Senbei
11-12-2016, 14:00
Must say I find the blurb for the Index Imperialis: Apocrypha interesting:

- the original accounts of the Emperor and the Imperium of mankind from Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader;
- background on the organisation and deployment of Imperial Guardsmen;
- early descriptions of the Legio Cybernetica of the Adeptus Mechanicus;
- concept sketches for a selection of Imperial miniatures and special characters;
- in-depth background on the Ecclesiarchy and the Battle Sisters of the Adeptus Sororitas;
- influential early artwork from artists such as John Blanche and Jes Goodwin;
- a comprehensive study of the hive world and gangs of Necromunda;

“in-depth background” and “a comprehensive study” read like a sales pitch for upcoming lines, such a targeted highlight for Necromunda and the SOB in an otherwise general book


I'm going to sound like a whiner here, and I'm not.... at the moment. GW is doing a lot of positive things, and 'made to order' is something that I suggested to a couple of GW managers about a decade ago (not claiming to have anything to do with it, but at least I feel validated that it wasn't a terrible idea :P). But isn't this book just going to be a load of articles cut & pasted from the RT book, Ad mech codex, Guard codex, Necromunda and one or more of the SoB codexes... oh, and possibly Adeptus Titanicus for the 'early' ad mech stuff? What I'd REALLY like to see would be some way to access old, defunct rules and failed projects (so I can get my hands on a full copy of the Confrontation rules that they never released :/)/

Anon
11-12-2016, 16:41
Are there any rulechanges? Or is this just a reprint of older unchanged rules? Especially the sisters and assassins?

Voss
11-12-2016, 16:47
Are there any rulechanges? Or is this just a reprint of older unchanged rules? Especially the sisters and assassins?
From what people have said, it is a mix. Apparently servo-skulls vanished from the inquisitor list, and the culexus rules have been reworded, but a lot of stuff is exactly the same.
The sisters stuff is apparently largely copypasta, but Celestine has vanished into the ether.


Interestingly, todays blog post (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/10/made-to-ordo/) shows two of the old Inquisitors in Terminator Armour as Made To Order models, but they're not actually available.
The two female inquisitors with the droopy faces? They're there.

Most of the males are still in the inquisition section, though one is missing.

Lord Damocles
11-12-2016, 17:20
Oh, they've changed the picture.

Before it featured two Rogue Trader era Inquisitors in addition to the assaaain, daemonhost, Hereticus inquisitors, preachers etc.. These two:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/e3/d9/ef/e3d9ef56f83ffc4c07b38c3a0efececc.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a6/91/ec/a691ec9f33e2759c44faf63023ddba7e.jpg

Not exactly an impressive show from GW, this release :eyebrows:

Voss
11-12-2016, 18:07
Oh, they've changed the picture.

Before it featured two Rogue Trader era Inquisitors in addition to the assaaain, daemonhost, Hereticus inquisitors, preachers etc.. These two:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/e3/d9/ef/e3d9ef56f83ffc4c07b38c3a0efececc.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a6/91/ec/a691ec9f33e2759c44faf63023ddba7e.jpg

Not exactly an impressive show from GW, this release :eyebrows:
Huh, wow. Yeah, I wouldn't have expected those.

And, yes. The details I've seen are... not so good. A selection of mediocre models and a lot of reprinted rules with some minor tweaks and, of course, detachments, detachments, detachments.

Spiney Norman
11-12-2016, 23:00
From what people have said, it is a mix. Apparently servo-skulls vanished from the inquisitor list, and the culexus rules have been reworded, but a lot of stuff is exactly the same.
The sisters stuff is apparently largely copypasta, but Celestine has vanished into the ether.


The two female inquisitors with the droopy faces? They're there.

Most of the males are still in the inquisition section, though one is missing.

I've also seen rumours that the ecclesiarchy battle conclave has been split or removed or something, basically this has been the modus operandi for the sister of battle for at least the last three rules 'updates', remove a few things and discontinue the models, nerf a few other things and leave the rest as bad as it used to be.

The fact that Inquisitors have lost their servo skulls (which was definitely bright spot of the Inq digidex) and sisters have lost their only competent HQ choice and possibly had their best unit (conclave) ruined does not make me want to buy this book at all. If folks want to play my sisters they can chuffing well play against the digidex, the last thing this army needed was another nerf and I'm frankly sick of giving GW money for the privilege of being able to play with less of my collection with added nerfs to the rest.

I've ordered the canoness and a couple of the made to order models (female witch hunter and plasma priest) and I'll probably pick up a couple of immolators as well depending on my post-Christmas priorities, but this is the weakest effort to throw Sisters players a bone in a long, dismal line of weak efforts.

Kakapo42
11-12-2016, 23:31
Well I'm glad about this release. I never really got a chance to build much of a Sisters of Battle army, having spent the 1990s and early 2000s growing up as a child and later teenager, then spending the remaining three-year window when I could actually start getting models en masse focusing on other equally fantastic but also threatened model ranges (Battlefleet Gothic, Wood Elves and Bretonnians/Tau, in that order) instead, and I hate stripping models so I tend to avoid second-hand purchases where possible (unless it's guaranteed they're unpainted), so the more of those glorious old Sisters of Battle models I can get through official channels the better.

That they're including rules for them in a physical format is fantastic too, since I don't have any devices that can support ebooks and I don't really want to go and spend hundreds of dollars on one just to access one rules document (which is all I'd need it for). Incidentally, a physical ruleset for Sisters of Battle armies being released was one of the two 'miracles' that I promised myself I'd start a Sisters of Battle army if they happened (the other was me winning the lottery), until I decided to start one anyway to maximise the number of beautiful classic Witchhunters/Sisters of Battle models I could rescue before they were inevitably discontinued and replaced with something ghastly.

This is the first time I've had something positive to say about GW in a very long while.

Astraeos
12-12-2016, 00:01
I know it's disappointing that the Sisters army list is a reprint of the digital codex but I have a bit of a theory about this.

Basically, we all know that 8th edition is rumoured to drop next year (even talk of a starter box with Sisters in it) and as someone said earlier the 2nd ed Sisters codex became invalidated months after release due to 3rd dropping.
My guess is that 8th edition will indeed be coming soon but feature some changes to how an army is selected. GW, not wishing to repeat a sin from it's past instead opted to print the digital codex rather than do as they did before, releasing book that would soon become obsolete.
Therefore when 8th hits a new Sisters of Battle codex along with the long awaited plastics will be on their way to us, the (Im)patiently waiting faithful.

I think there's a bright future in front of us but we can't see it due to our own perceptions.

In the meantime, let's enjoy the other options we'll get from Codex Imperial Agents! I'm glad I'll get the chance to use some Legion of the Damned with my Space Wolves and have all sorts of ideas for the rest of the book. I know a lot of it was available digitally but I don't have a portable device that can display them.

Spiney Norman
12-12-2016, 08:29
I know it's disappointing that the Sisters army list is a reprint of the digital codex but I have a bit of a theory about this.

Basically, we all know that 8th edition is rumoured to drop next year (even talk of a starter box with Sisters in it) and as someone said earlier the 2nd ed Sisters codex became invalidated months after release due to 3rd dropping.
My guess is that 8th edition will indeed be coming soon but feature some changes to how an army is selected. GW, not wishing to repeat a sin from it's past instead opted to print the digital codex rather than do as they did before, releasing book that would soon become obsolete.
Therefore when 8th hits a new Sisters of Battle codex along with the long awaited plastics will be on their way to us, the (Im)patiently waiting faithful.

I think there's a bright future in front of us but we can't see it due to our own perceptions.

In the meantime, let's enjoy the other options we'll get from Codex Imperial Agents! I'm glad I'll get the chance to use some Legion of the Damned with my Space Wolves and have all sorts of ideas for the rest of the book. I know a lot of it was available digitally but I don't have a portable device that can display them.

TBH I think that hoping for a starter set where the imperial faction is not space Marines is nothing more than a pipe dream. The suggestion that Sisters of battle is going to be the poster army for a new edition is ludicrous, they've not even had a proper codex release in over a decade.

It makes some degree of sense that 8th edition will be big enough to invalidate everything that has gone before, it's been a while since we've had an actual new codex released rather than supplements for existing codexes, narrative campaign books or reprints of old digital material which could certainly be viewed as getting ready for a major change. It might even be true that Sisters will be an early release for 8th edition with a new set of plastic models, the idea that they will head up the edition as the imperial army in a starter set however qualifies as comic absurdity. Has there ever been a 40k starter set that didn't feature space Marines?

MajorWesJanson
12-12-2016, 08:50
Two thoughts on the idea of Sisters in a starter-
Prospero saw a mixed force of marines, sisters of silence, and custodes. We could see a box with say 10 marines with a chaplain, and 10 sisters with a canoness against say Necrons.
Second, it's possible that the old pipe dream of multiple starter sets could be less so- we saw what, 4 different boxes printed with various versions of the mini-rulebook. Dark Vengeance, Sanctus Reach, Kill Team, and Death Masque all included the rule book and could function as starters. Several box sets that were basically 2 enemy getting started forces with a mini-rulebook and templates thrown in are possible.

Spiney Norman
12-12-2016, 10:53
Two thoughts on the idea of Sisters in a starter-
Prospero saw a mixed force of marines, sisters of silence, and custodes. We could see a box with say 10 marines with a chaplain, and 10 sisters with a canoness against say Necrons.
Second, it's possible that the old pipe dream of multiple starter sets could be less so- we saw what, 4 different boxes printed with various versions of the mini-rulebook. Dark Vengeance, Sanctus Reach, Kill Team, and Death Masque all included the rule book and could function as starters. Several box sets that were basically 2 enemy getting started forces with a mini-rulebook and templates thrown in are possible.

Sooo, out of those four different boxed sets containing the mini rule book, which ones did not contain space Marines as the imperial faction?

Unless they retcon sisters to just be a female-only space marine chapter and cut all their interesting ecclesiarchy/inquisition ties I really can't see them getting into one of those boxes, and even then.

Lord Damocles
16-12-2016, 19:43
Oh, they've changed the picture.

Before it featured two Rogue Trader era Inquisitors in addition to the assaaain, daemonhost, Hereticus inquisitors, preachers etc.. These two:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/e3/d9/ef/e3d9ef56f83ffc4c07b38c3a0efececc.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a6/91/ec/a691ec9f33e2759c44faf63023ddba7e.jpg

Not exactly an impressive show from GW, this release :eyebrows:
Oh, hey, they're coming next week.

Despite not being Marines when the theme is Space Marines.

It's a Christmas miracle.

Astraeos
17-12-2016, 15:11
Definitely getting those Inquisitors!

While you're right about the prevalence of Space Marines in the starter boxes there is still a first time for everything!

Voss
17-12-2016, 17:06
Hmm. I hope people who order those inquisitors understand the amount of scale creep that has gone on in their absence. And are there even rules for psycannons, combi-psycannons and terminator armored inquisitors anymore?

Lord Damocles
17-12-2016, 17:56
In Codex: Inqisition, at least, Ordo Malleus Inquisitors can take Terminator Armour, Psycannons, and combi-weapons. They can't take Power Fists or Force Rods [Staves] though (although I use the hooded Inquisitor model counting his rod as a Daemon Hammer without anyone ever either noticing or voicing objection).

The scale creep isn't too bad. Certainly no worse than between the original Imperial Assassin model and the current range...

The Black Shield
17-12-2016, 20:17
Ive got that first Inquisitor. He's been converted to a regular Terminator though.

Voss
18-12-2016, 02:24
In Codex: Inqisition, at least, Ordo Malleus Inquisitors can take Terminator Armour, Psycannons, and combi-weapons. They can't take Power Fists or Force Rods [Staves] though (although I use the hooded Inquisitor model counting his rod as a Daemon Hammer without anyone ever either noticing or voicing objection).

The scale creep isn't too bad. Certainly no worse than between the original Imperial Assassin model and the current range...
I guess it depends on the model. I have a few IG captains and commissars from that era, which were hybrids with metal bodies and plastic arms, and tried to update them with modern arms. They look quite wrong. I suppose the old metal terminator captain isn't too bad, by comparison.

The Black Shield
20-12-2016, 08:46
Evidently plastic Sisters is confirmed. http://s234.photobucket.com/user/Tregarth/media/1482220092226_zpsrpw6nt3f.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0 http://s234.photobucket.com/user/Tregarth/media/1482220092226_zpsrpw6nt3f.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0 http://s234.photobucket.com/user/Tregarth/media/1482221513960_zpsrmrk6yln.jpg.html?sort=3&o=2 http://s234.photobucket.com/user/Tregarth/media/1482221203919_zps9s5hfzuh.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3 http://s234.photobucket.com/user/Tregarth/media/1482220032843_zps2x2nczpl.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4

Voss
20-12-2016, 12:40
And something called Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia...

Lord Damocles
20-12-2016, 18:19
Oh my.

Gird thyself, wallet. For the end times are upon thee.

Astraeos
21-12-2016, 08:08
Ooh yes, even if it's just Celestine I still think it's a good sign!

Lord Damocles
21-12-2016, 18:41
Aha!
Finally managed to order the Canoness.

This time she's been in stock for a full half hour.

philbrad2
21-12-2016, 19:24
Me too finally. Several rumour sites are mentioning that Gathering Storm - Fall of Cadia is just the start and 40K will around for quite a while. Seeing as its taken them 13 years to advance from the end of the Eye of Terror campaign, I wouldn't hold my breath.

PhilB
:angel:

blackcherry
22-12-2016, 11:01
Me too finally. Several rumour sites are mentioning that Gathering Storm - Fall of Cadia is just the start and 40K will around for quite a while. Seeing as its taken them 13 years to advance from the end of the Eye of Terror campaign, I wouldn't hold my breath.

PhilB
:angel:

Hahaha. Here's hoping not - every different faction has to have their downfall (or ascension in the case of Tyranids/Necrons) first.

Here's hoping in another 10 years the 40k universe looks a little different, but without a mauling of everything we know ala BattleTech. If the current creative team stay on course, they may even do it!

Mwahahahaha!:evilgrin:

Spiney Norman
22-12-2016, 11:16
Me too finally. Several rumour sites are mentioning that Gathering Storm - Fall of Cadia is just the start and 40K will around for quite a while. Seeing as its taken them 13 years to advance from the end of the Eye of Terror campaign, I wouldn't hold my breath.

PhilB
:angel:

Well that was rather what we thought when the End Times was launched for wfb, when the Nagash book came out we didn't imagine the game was getting canned completely in less than a year.

Still if there is one thing that sticks out from warhammer TVs live panic response to the Celestine leak it was their repeated insistence that 40k was going to continue for years to come.

Anon
22-12-2016, 23:17
Just wanted to order the new Imperial Agent Codex on the GW site and it seems to be already out of print and production. Is this true and was the codex IA just a limited run? I would be pretty disappointed if yes. Magnus Wrath seems to be out of production too.

The Black Shield
22-12-2016, 23:27
Where are you from? They are both still available on the U.S. site. Those in charge of the GW site have a hard time telling the difference between "temporarily out of stock" and "no longer available".

Wulfkard
23-12-2016, 02:03
Using the Imperial Agents codex as a way to try and expirement for building a full assassins force. Figure I would use the execution format with skitarri and Sisters of Battle. Try different formation to see if IA can build a playable assassins army. Throw inquisitors or Cypher in to create a full infiltrate scout army.

Voss
23-12-2016, 02:18
It looks like an error. The british site seriously gives a 404 error, with the message that the page (for Wrath of Magnus) doesn't exist or may never have existed, which is clearly wrong. And same error for IA on the US side. But it's titled 'generic error page.'
So clearly, there is some sort of system glitch.

That said, in the lead up to Wrath of Magnus, I was trying to track down the wulfen one, and couldn't find that anywhere but the GW site. So availability might get limited to direct from GW or nothing at some point.
I don't expect that for IA or traitor legions, however.

corps
10-05-2017, 10:40
I just hope that if the sister return in plastic, it will be without JB influence. I hate his art.

stevegill
11-05-2017, 20:34
I just hope that if the sister return in plastic, it will be without JB influence. I hate his art.

Whereas I really hope for the opposite as I love his art, it's all about personal taste really

mdauben
15-05-2017, 21:54
I just hope that if the sister return in plastic, it will be without JB influence. I hate his art.
I'm not planning to start Sisters either way, but I share your opinion of JB's art. I never saw the attraction.

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