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Malakai
29-12-2016, 19:00
This may seem hyperbolic in the extreme but having a look through the Eldar Craftworlders catalogue there are still so many Finecast models. A ridiculous amount that GW knows hurt the sales of that faction. Am I the only person that believes a fairly large Eldar reboot is going to take place in 2017? I know that they have said we can all be happy that every faction will get attention but I can't shake the feeling that Eldar is in for a major overhaul, at least in regards to the aspects. And no I don't subscribe to the theory of one box multiple parts to make all the Aspects. The aesthetics are close on some and REALLY far from others. Dark Reapers and Banshees in the same box? Not gonna happen as long as Goodwyn is doing it.

So what do you think? Are Eldar Craftworlders going to get a little or alot of love in 2017? (Might pick up that gangs of Cammoragh on a whim though).

The Black Shield
29-12-2016, 19:36
I could see maybe Banshees and Swooping Hawks in the same box. It would really be nice to see the lits go plastic, you would be able to make many more weapon and pose options with one kit. I may not be an Eldar player, but I have always loved the minis. Eldar was the first faction I ever saw for 40K back in the '90s.

theJ
30-12-2016, 06:40
Would certainly help 'em... but that's been the case fer' a while, and there's no actual signs of it happening now.. quite the opposite, in fact.
Current trends with GW is A; formations that gives new incentive to use old models, and B; brand new factions.
I don't expect these to last forever, but I do expect them to last fer' a while, and while GW is focusing on new factions, they ain't gonna commit to any major revamps of current armies*.

More likely, the next Craftworld Eldar release will be a new codex in 8th edition, accompanied by... whatever the hip new unit type of that era is gonna be, and maybe one of the aspects redone.
Heck, I wouldn't even expect any major ruleschanges, just some minor tweaks to fit into the design paradigm of 8th... whatever that turns out to be.

*With the possible exception of Sororitas, who seem to finally be well and truly in the pipeline. Then again, they're such an incredibly 'outdated' faction that they'd practically be a revival by their very nature - something the craftworlders can NOT claim.

Sai-Lauren
30-12-2016, 16:56
I'm still suprised they didn't redo the Shining Spears when they brought out the new jetbikes. And I think the Guardians need redoing, especially to put Storm Guardian weapon options on the sprue.

Lost Egg
30-12-2016, 17:44
I'd love to see them make the Aspects properly in plastic but for a long time I've had the feeling that they just don't quite know what to do with them so have left them be. I expect that the coming Eldar Death God will bring dramatic changes to their line...

toonboy78
04-01-2017, 18:15
I guess that a new avatar model would be tied in with the aelves release in AoS. It would be massive model sized rather then the current size think Magnus or Wraithknight.

Aspect double boxing:

hawks and banshees
Scopions and dragons
Reapers and spiders

Eldar also need new pathfinders and yes adding storm guardians to current box is sensible.

All this is a guess.

silverstu
07-01-2017, 08:15
One thing they could do is break the range down to craftworld factions and do a series of releases around those- so do a Biel Tan faction release centred on aspects. They'll be looking at ways to bring in new models/options [thats really what the new fluff progression is about]. So we could see aspect squads getting variant armament -firedragons with flamers as an option - stuff they couldn't do with metal/resin options which would also encourage people to add to their collections. I definitely think dual kits for aspects is doable as well.
Maybe they will expand on things like the Court of the Young King as a set of exarchs and a warlock conclave -thinking along the lines of the exalted sorcerers box.
I'm really interested on how the new progression will affect the eldar factions- especially Eldrad's failed attempt to raise Ynnead.

Malefactum
07-01-2017, 18:20
Eldrad will probably succeed in a follow-up-story of which Death Masque was only the beginning. But with such a new god, would the Eldar still taime themselves enough via paths or would they go rampant and blindly arrogant like: "We are saved now, so screw the path system!"? Would it still make sense to 'torture' souls by putting them in infinity circuits and Wraith units? Probably not. All these things could shake up the Eldar range massively. Think Sylvaneth instead of Wood Elves in AoS/WHFB. That's total range makeover. Eldar might face the same.

silverstu
07-01-2017, 22:47
Eldrad will probably succeed in a follow-up-story of which Death Masque was only the beginning. But with such a new god, would the Eldar still taime themselves enough via paths or would they go rampant and blindly arrogant like: "We are saved now, so screw the path system!"? Would it still make sense to 'torture' souls by putting them in infinity circuits and Wraith units? Probably not. All these things could shake up the Eldar range massively. Think Sylvaneth instead of Wood Elves in AoS/WHFB. That's total range makeover. Eldar might face the same.

I think he'll partially succeed, Ynnead won't be fully present- maybe in the form of avatars? It will definitely shake things up- maybe wraith constructs will be more prevalent as agents/aspects of Ynnead mirroring the Aspect warriors of Khaine. Interesting that exodites have been mentioned in the rumours - I think the eldar will act more as a large faction with the Harlequins and Dark eldar interacting with the craftworlders as well. If you look at the AoS ranges they seem ti have taken one element of an army and developed it into an entire faction of its own. Hence I think you could see a wild rider faction, aspect faction, wraith faction, pathfinder/outcast faction, psychic faction- along the lines of the major craft worlds. Each with deeper ranges with more variations- like scout bikers, wild riders, shining spears and a dual Vyper kit for Siam Hann. Really looking forward to how things develop [although slightly worried that Eldar might take a serious kicking in the process...:eek:]

silverstu
13-01-2017, 10:52
Well the eldar have popped up at the end of Fall of Cadia- as a warhost of collected factions. Eldrad is there are two mysterious figures- a red armoured figure wear a mix of aspect and comorrite armour and a female with an elaborate gown directing the army. Pics on Atia's blog (https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1596). The red armoured guy- could be a corsair- what about an exodite? The armour could be a pre-fall pattern- GW haven't really illustrated the exodites before [maybe once?] so they are a bit of a blank canvas. Cawl can't identify the characters and finds the war host composition unique. Looks like the next book in the gathering storm series could feature Eldar..

Voss
13-01-2017, 17:38
This may seem hyperbolic in the extreme but having a look through the Eldar Craftworlders catalogue there are still so many Finecast models. A ridiculous amount that GW knows hurt the sales of that faction. Am I the only person that believes a fairly large Eldar reboot is going to take place in 2017? I know that they have said we can all be happy that every faction will get attention but I can't shake the feeling that Eldar is in for a major overhaul, at least in regards to the aspects. And no I don't subscribe to the theory of one box multiple parts to make all the Aspects. The aesthetics are close on some and REALLY far from others. Dark Reapers and Banshees in the same box? Not gonna happen as long as Goodwyn is doing it.

So what do you think? Are Eldar Craftworlders going to get a little or alot of love in 2017? (Might pick up that gangs of Cammoragh on a whim though).
I think they have to do something fairly soon. Both with Eldar and Dark Eldar (though the core of the latter is in much better shape). They can't keep so much of a popular army relegated to finecast and limited availability, and the way they handle the dire avengers (dropping to a 5 model box) was a big mistake. As for dual boxes... yeah, Reapers and Banshees are absurd. But the aspects that are closer in design aren't as absurd, and quite doable.



Regarding some of the later discussion, I really doubt they'd ditch the aspects, as that has been the core identity of the army for a long couple decades now- it would feel like a completely different army and lose a lot of appeal.

Malefactum
14-01-2017, 06:27
Removing aspects would surely change eldar identity a lot. On the other hand GW's last two codex releases formed around wraiths and guardians on jetbikes. No aspects updated at all. For quite some time by now. Especially considering they could have pushed out some long waited for updates for shining spears when they released the guardian jetbikes. One may wonder the reasons for this. But maybe I'm reading too much into it and aspects just don't sell well enough to justify plastic boxes.

Lost Egg
14-01-2017, 07:12
Despite my hesitance as to GWs ability to deliver a good storyline and mini range I am still looking forward to seeing what they do with the Eldar.

We know they are getting a Seer of some type with that gyrinx mini that Duncan painted yesterday.

I remember talking to a GW staffer a few years back and asking about the Eldar, I was very surprised when he said they weren't all that popular. Mainly I think, as they are a bit harder to play as they are mostly an army of specialists. No idea if thats been the case over the last few editions though it would go some way to explaining the few new minis they have had.

silverstu
14-01-2017, 10:20
Removing aspects would surely change eldar identity a lot. On the other hand GW's last two codex releases formed around wraiths and guardians on jetbikes. No aspects updated at all. For quite some time by now. Especially considering they could have pushed out some long waited for updates for shining spears when they released the guardian jetbikes. One may wonder the reasons for this. But maybe I'm reading too much into it and aspects just don't sell well enough to justify plastic boxes.

I think the emphasis on wraith constructs and then bikes in previous codex was due to the accompanying model release. I think they will centre the next one around Aspects with a strong Biel Tan flavour.

I think the Eldar have started to get a good range together but what they are missing are really good infantry sized kits and characters. Doing the aspects in plastic would help a lot, I'd love more kit bashing options. Strong character models would be great and sounds like they are coming with the eldar triumvirate rumours. The inclusion of a Gyrinx has me ridiculously excited, not just because i am a mad cat man! It looks like Eldar will get some of the early era vibe back and I'm looking forward to seeing it happen. Corsairs would be a handy expansion [maybe via an upgrade sprue?]. A really good, big plastic Avatar would hit the spot as well. But the character kits have me really excited and also I've the possibility of them doing the Phoenix Lords that way as well.

Edit: I think model wise the eldar range lacks the little extras to give it flavour- the Dire Avengers and Guardian kits are pretty straightforward especially compared to the recent infantry kits. Its little touches like adding Gyrinx etc that can add a bit. I've been kit bashing bare heads form the Dark Eldar range into guardians and bikers and it really adds a lot to them. Hoping for more to add to them soon.

Voss
14-01-2017, 13:49
I'd call them barren rather than straightforword, particularly the DA sprue. Lot of empty space and extra struts across the sprue, to the point that I suspect more material goes into the sprue than the minis.

TheSaylesMan
14-01-2017, 21:55
Eldrad will probably succeed in a follow-up-story of which Death Masque was only the beginning

I would argue the opposite. Its thematically appropriate for the Eldar to be undone by their own arrogance and the Imperium to unknowingly damn themselves through their xenophobia and ignorance.

Here's my hope. Ynnead is born in a blind, panicked, premature state and is slowly being ripped to shreds by the toxic forces of Chaos around it. It seeks safety. Because of Warp shenanigans with time, it turns out that Ynnead is what has been banging on the Khaine's Gate in Commorragh. That whispering that's being heard by the guards around it is actually the muffled screams of agony of the conjoined Eldar Souls. It breaks through with the tides of Chaos at its metaphorical heels and is proceeds to engulf all Dark Eldar in its path as Vect's failsafes spring into action. The area gets quarantined away from the rest of the Dark City. All who are trapped within are consumed. Their souls and the souls of all they have consumed joining the mass that is Ynnead. It does manage to find refuge in this sealed off portion of the Webway in that it can only be assaulted by Chaos from one direction rather than all directions at once. It tries to recover within but the traumatic nature of its birth, the corrupting influence of Chaos and the absorbed vileness of the Dark City cause Ynnead to gestate into something twisted and wrong. Boom, we have a new Chaos God. We also have a good explanation for Mandrakes as Daemons of Ynnead. The silver lining here is that with it fights with Slaanesh for the souls of all Eldar and instead of being consumed to be tortured forever, they are instead obliterated in the struggle. Commorragh may be in shambles but Slaanesh no longer steadily drains their souls outside of the safety of the Webway.

I think its a sufficiently Grimdark way to resolve the storyline.

Voss
15-01-2017, 00:32
I would argue the opposite. Its thematically appropriate for the Eldar to be undone by their own arrogance and the Imperium to unknowingly damn themselves through their xenophobia and ignorance.

Here's my hope. Ynnead is born in a blind, panicked, premature state and is slowly being ripped to shreds by the toxic forces of Chaos around it. It seeks safety. Because of Warp shenanigans with time, it turns out that Ynnead is what has been banging on the Khaine's Gate in Commorragh. That whispering that's being heard by the guards around it is actually the muffled screams of agony of the conjoined Eldar Souls. It breaks through with the tides of Chaos at its metaphorical heels and is proceeds to engulf all Dark Eldar in its path as Vect's failsafes spring into action. The area gets quarantined away from the rest of the Dark City. All who are trapped within are consumed. Their souls and the souls of all they have consumed joining the mass that is Ynnead. It does manage to find refuge in this sealed off portion of the Webway in that it can only be assaulted by Chaos from one direction rather than all directions at once. It tries to recover within but the traumatic nature of its birth, the corrupting influence of Chaos and the absorbed vileness of the Dark City cause Ynnead to gestate into something twisted and wrong. Boom, we have a new Chaos God. We also have a good explanation for Mandrakes as Daemons of Ynnead. The silver lining here is that with it fights with Slaanesh for the souls of all Eldar and instead of being consumed to be tortured forever, they are instead obliterated in the struggle. Commorragh may be in shambles but Slaanesh no longer steadily drains their souls outside of the safety of the Webway.

I think its a sufficiently Grimdark way to resolve the storyline.
It's certainly pointlessly Grimdark. But it paves the way for excising the (non-Dark) Eldar as a faction entirely, which isn't particularly useful or good for the game.

A new Chaos God at this stage also seems unlikely, let alone a new eldar one. And keep in mind, the last time this happened, all warp travel was pretty much non-functional for thousands of years, which pretty much puts a torch to the entire setting. Bang its Old Night again, thanks for playing.

Malefactum
15-01-2017, 11:52
Here's my hope. (...)There is certainly some interesting plot-twists and connections in there.

silverstu
15-01-2017, 14:28
I'd call them barren rather than straightforword, particularly the DA sprue. Lot of empty space and extra struts across the sprue, to the point that I suspect more material goes into the sprue than the minis.

Yeah- barren is a good term, when they doubled the price of that sprue it was so insulting. I think the new bikes and the wraith guard sprue are much better. I just watched the designers interviewed about the Triumvirate and it was interesting to repeatedly talk about bringing in the odd, weird elements of 40k into the design, which I hope they continue with new eldar, the Gyrinx being a possible indication of this. Thats one of the things I initially loved about the eldar- their otherness, the Eldritch and I think thats what has been lost a little in some of the plastic kits.
On Ynnead -possibly could be the thing all eldar factions rally around?There definitely seems to be a theme in recent fluff/stories about a rebirth of the Eldar Empire [especially the end of Valedor] and the last text in the Fall of Cadia talks of a new dawn. Ynnead being in the material universe or the webway, not strong enough to challenge Slaanesh yet might unite the factions as they all could seize the opportunity to defeat She Who Thirsts.
But model wise I hope the range, as more of it gets made in plastic, gets more exotic and Eldritch. I do think they will add more options as well for the likes of the Aspects and the Vyper kit with the opportunity to do them in plastic the way they did with the wraith guard kit.

TheSaylesMan
15-01-2017, 19:57
A new Chaos God at this stage also seems unlikely, let alone a new eldar one. And keep in mind, the last time this happened, all warp travel was pretty much non-functional for thousands of years, which pretty much puts a torch to the entire setting. Bang its Old Night again, thanks for playing.

I thought that the opposite is what happened? The galaxy was ravaged by many Warp Storms. One cut Sol off from the rest of the galaxy at large. Those storms receded when the Eye of Terror surged forth which allowed for safer Warp travel and the fledgling Imperium of Man to form.

I would have been right there with you doubting the potential for GW to bring out new Chaos Gods up until Age of Sigmar canonized The Horned Rat as one. We have precedent now. Personally I want Ynnead, Gork/Mork/Gorkamorka, and The Emperor all to come into their own as Chaos Gods in an End Times scenario. Hell, bring out the Horned Rat for 40k! I understand that AoS and 40k are not the same setting but Chaos is supposed to work in a way that doesn't make sense. For a Chaos God to be born in one IP because it was born in another sounds like a great deal of fun to me. In the minuscule event that somebody with power in GW is reading this; please no Horned Rat it was just a joke don't do it.