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Ultimate Life Form
02-11-2018, 22:57
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/02/2nd-nov-the-blood-glory-studio-preview-roundup-extravaganzagw-homepage-post-1/

Coming in November, some more Beastmen for us all. Gorthor, BSB and Pestigors confirmed so far. And there I was hoping I'd catch a breath this month. Really depends on the material for me though, metal Pestigors would be a major turn-off.

This is the first wave since Dark Elves in April to contain non-Special Character models. So once again GW proves unpredictable in the extreme, especially since after Order and Chaos the last times around, one would expect the other two factions to follow suit. This fact suggests to me that it will be a full-fledged Warhammer Legends army "release", as I said, the first since April. I am curious to know what other models GW has in store for us. On the Beastmen front we're still missing Ghorros Warhoof.

Ultimate Life Form
11-11-2018, 21:18
And here they are: Available next week from 17th:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/11/next-week-beasts-of-legend/

- Gorthor
- Ghorros
- BSB
- Khorngors
- Khorngor Command
- Pestigors
- Pestigor Command
- Metal Warhounds!

Was there really such a huge demand for metal RnF models? Anyway I certainly don't begrudge GW for bringing them back. And with that all vintage Beastmen models (except Harpies) have been made available and as a token of perfection they are now finally archived in the Warhammer Legends section as the second legacy army. A win-win-win-win situation for everyone I'd say. It just happens to be that I was looking for some Khorne-marked goats...

Little Joe
11-11-2018, 22:32
Should be interesting to see how they price the until now limited BSB.

Ghorros showed how bad internal communication was back then in design: wrong hooves and very different body compared to the range.

Metal Warhounds cost near to nothing on the secondary market.

Ultimate Life Form
11-11-2018, 22:42
Ghorros is a bit weird but then he's a Special Character so anything goes as far as I'm concerned. I also recently found out by looking at some pictures that he's considerably bigger than his Centigor brethren, so he's rather imposing.

Where GW really dropped the ball though, was making him a Centigor unit champion, i.e. he isn't a character model and can't be fielded on his own. So he absolutely requires an entourage of Centigors who are insanely priced both pointswise and moneywise. That means he is actually at least 52€ more than what his price tag'll tell you, and 100 points more. Not really an attractive prospect. And also a questionable business decision by GW. Would have been much cooler to have the option of having him run around on his own and bashing in some faces with his D3 wounds club. I bet they would have sold more of them that way.

Arnizipal
12-11-2018, 12:39
Again a Legendary release I can allow to pass me by.
I may face them on the battlefield soon though :biggrin:

Lord Damocles
12-11-2018, 17:53
Oh hey, the standard bearer is the same sort of limited edition release as 3rd ed. Space Hulk :shifty:

Little Joe
12-11-2018, 19:22
More limited :shifty:

Urgat
12-11-2018, 20:34
So, I'd like to have them, but can't justify them, so this is a pass.

Ultimate Life Form
17-11-2018, 06:47
Hm, I've read the descriptions and this month's release is unique in that everything is metal, except for Gorthor's chariot wheels and Tuskgors. Not sure how I feel about it. Okay, I am sure. It sucks. Again it shows that the Beastmen are the red-headed stepchildren of Chaos.

The Standard Bearer is 25€, which is asking a bit much. Those are 2018 prices, NOT what he would have cost 10 years ago. Highly collectable indeed. And also the Khorngors and Pestigors are very steep, not to mention Ghorros. Very, very unfortunate indeed.

Urgat
17-11-2018, 07:43
They were all very steep back then too iirc.
I assume the tuskgors have metal heads btw, it's just identical recasts of what we used to have, so the tuskgors use the plastic boars, the chariot the usual plastic wheels.

Little Joe
17-11-2018, 14:09
Used to be €30 for 10 of the special gors, command was only a blister for 3, before that even just single in a blister. Roughly double the "old" prices. Of course we had inflation in between.

€25 is not enough to keep the BSB collectable in my opinion. It used to be unique, now it lost it's shine. The price is too high if you look beyond GW and find better options. With the banner in metal, you can't tell the difference, that will not go well with collectors. I have no idea whom this is targeted at.

That means they have a stash of those plastic wheels and old boars since neither of those sprues has been available for quite a while. For sure not wort to get a small run of.

Ultimate Life Form
17-11-2018, 14:59
So let's just for a second assume that I'm a crazy person who didn't jump on the AoS train and like my 8th Edition, and want Specigors for the End Times. So if I want a unit of them I have to buy 2 packs. But wait, we're talking 8th here, so of course what I really want is a horde! That would be 8 packs right there, clocking in at 240€. But wait, I need both Pestigors and Khorngors! So double it to 480€.

Uhm... no. Just no. Regular Bestigors "played as" are fine. It's not like Chaos Warriors have a model for every god. Strangely GW seems to think that the Bestigors are somehow special (and not an indispensible tool to make the army work), so they are priced as elite troops. The only reason I have a unit is because they were included in the Batallions I bought.

But Gorthor is worth a mention here. He's a decent deal if you don't mind the metal. He comes actually cheaper than a regular chariot but provides you with a Special Character as well! Still one would think after 15 years they'd finally bother to make a new one.

C-Coen
17-11-2018, 20:46
Used to be €30 for 10 of the special gors, command was only a blister for 3, before that even just single in a blister. Roughly double the "old" prices. Of course we had inflation in between.
Were they never repackaged? A genuine question to which I do not have the answer; I never had much of an interest in the Beastmen (thankfully, making this a cheap week). I recall some sets of metal elite infantry being repackaged as 5 troops and 5 including a command group however - HE Swordmasters for example. No idea if they were priced much lower than this.

Urgat
17-11-2018, 23:02
The price is too high if you look beyond GW and find better options
Well, do you have better beastmen options? I sure don't know many.

Little Joe
18-11-2018, 07:43
Well, do you have better beastmen options? I sure don't know many.

Challenge accepted. :D I just did a quick check though.

In Alphabetical order:
https://www.avatars-of-war.com/images/minis/aow11/aow11_blister.jpg
Avatars of War (https://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&prodcode=11&prodname=Beast+Chieftain+with+great+weapon&id=118&Itemid=53) - beast Chieftain 14, needs an extension of the poles and a banner, I really like this one better and he has a banner-ish thing already.
http://garyhuntminiatures.com/2013_Images/Minotaur-standard-bearer-paint-closeup2.jpg
Gary Hunt Miniatures - Clovis (http://garyhuntminiatures.com/2013_Images/Minotaur-standard-bearer-paint-closeup2.jpg), yeah I know he is too big but cheaper at $25
https://mierce-miniatures.com/store_mierceminiatures/images_product/mrm_dkl_fmr_blr_wcf_331_000_01_large.png
https://mierce-miniatures.com/store_mierceminiatures/images_product/mrm_dkl_fmr_blr_inf_202_000_01_large.png
https://mierce-miniatures.com/store_mierceminiatures/images_product/mrm_dkl_fmr_blr_min_402_000_01_large.png
Mierce Miniatures - Gabrax Skull-Bearer (https://mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=pro&pre=mrm_dkl_fmr_blr_wcf_331_000), Gul Gabrax Skull-Bearer (https://mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=pro&pre=mrm_dkl_fmr_blr_inf_202_000) and because of price Tarvax Skull-bearer (https://mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=pro&pre=mrm_dkl_fmr_blr_min_402_000): 15, 20 and 25 pounds because the cheaper metals are currently unavailable.
https://image.jimcdn.com/app/cms/image/transf/dimension=1920x400:format=jpg/path/sd34d65dd70e2b3da/image/i4f5b9dc2df6b7454/version/1533632115/image.jpg
Windmaster miniatures (https://www.windmaster-miniatures.com/slaughar-beastmen/#cc-m-product-13859427222) - Bullmen command 9

There are loads of companies out there with a beast-men line out there. More than just goats too.

Ultimate Life Form
18-11-2018, 12:27
The Mierce models suffer quite a bit from their paint job, they look a lot better in person.

Urgat
18-11-2018, 12:33
It's only characters. Sorry, I meant rank and file.
On Mierce: ok who wants to paint the dangly bits of a minotaur? :p

Little Joe
18-11-2018, 15:40
Ok, I will give you some options later on, I am on the road now. Windmaster miniatures one is for a whole unit by the way.

EDIT: To make it simpler for myself. Check here in the miniature library (https://www.the-ninth-age.com/lexicon/index.php?lexicon/463-beast-herds-bh/).

EDIT 2: haha, yeah, Mierce started adding a lot of that.

Retrogamer
19-11-2018, 08:54
Were they never repackaged? A genuine question to which I do not have the answer; I never had much of an interest in the Beastmen (thankfully, making this a cheap week). I recall some sets of metal elite infantry being repackaged as 5 troops and 5 including a command group however - HE Swordmasters for example. No idea if they were priced much lower than this.

Yes, they did. If memory serves they were about $20 or $25 for the 5 man pewter boxes. That's $80-100 for a functional unit in pre-8th.


It's only characters. Sorry, I meant rank and file.
On Mierce: ok who wants to paint the dangly bits of a minotaur? :p

Cannot... unsee...

Urgat
19-11-2018, 15:48
EDIT: To make it simpler for myself. Check here in the miniature library (https://www.the-ninth-age.com/lexicon/index.php?lexicon/463-beast-herds-bh/)..

So...
longhorns it is ( https://www.the-ninth-age.com/lexicon/index.php?entry/1355-miniatures-longhorn-herd/&dd51d0dd )
And then... GW's gors are both the best and the cheapest? I'm sorry, I'm not a GW fanboy, but in this case, color me unimpressed. If you want to make a beastmen army, at least in the RnF department, GW plastic is a no-brainer.

Ultimate Life Form
19-11-2018, 16:55
I have been consulting the T9A library for my wargaming needs quite a few times now but unfortunately I have to concur with Urgat: The results are usually underwhelming to put it mildly. Until further notice, if you want R&F fantasy miniatures, GW it is. Which is quite ironic.

Little Joe
19-11-2018, 19:39
So...
longhorns it is ( https://www.the-ninth-age.com/lexicon/index.php?entry/1355-miniatures-longhorn-herd/&dd51d0dd )
And then... GW's gors are both the best and the cheapest? I'm sorry, I'm not a GW fanboy, but in this case, color me unimpressed. If you want to make a beastmen army, at least in the RnF department, GW plastic is a no-brainer.

Windmaster is with 17 cheaper than GW at 25,50. Taste is relative of course, but I think they can keep up for sure:

https://image.jimcdn.com/app/cms/image/transf/dimension=1920x400:format=jpg/path/sd34d65dd70e2b3da/image/idb2d8fd43872f389/version/1491204553/image.jpg

The library is in dire need of an update, I am working on getting people active. I hope you find the resource useful.


In my personal opinion Beasts is very relative. You could use Gnolls from Frostgrave (cheaper per 10), a Thuul troop from mantic (more expensive per 10), metals from many skirmish games that have full units (a bit more expensive per 10) and so on. I would go for a huge pile of bits and bodies and start converting. Beasts have always been way to organised for me to consider them.
That pile would have GW for sure, but with so may options these days it is a shame to limit yourself.