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voidstalker
23-07-2006, 11:11
Any body else seen this yet? it certantly clears up what the emperor intends for Russ to do to Magnus and the unknown effects that Magnus action had when he sent hes warning message to the Emperor.

Also how many of the Primarchs had wings? the book shows not only Sanguinius but also Mortarion and fulgrim with wings.

Daemonslave
23-07-2006, 11:25
Most of the Traitor Primarchs upon being elevated to daemon status sprouted wings. Magnus, Angron, Fulgrim and Mortarion did, though I'm not too sure about Perturabo or Lorgar.

SonofUltramar
23-07-2006, 12:18
Yes, yes i have. It's absolutely amazing, some of my favourites are:

The true purpose of the Golden Throne
The battle in the Webway
The formation of the Inquisition and Grey Knights
The actual events of the final battle between Horus and The Emperor
The Emperors last words

I seriously do believe this to be one of the most important pieces of background EVER written, if you like 40k you will love this book:)

Charax
23-07-2006, 14:37
The emperor's last words? they weren't "Aliens aren't so bad" were they?

Rabid Bunny 666
23-07-2006, 15:25
"Horus.....you...were...Adopted......"

You guys have seen it? thats another £15 i have to spend, well £30, i need to get book 3.

Norminator
23-07-2006, 18:43
It's all very well saying 'The Emperor's last words are great!' but this thread is supposed to contain spoilers! Come on folks, spill the beans!

Cryler
23-07-2006, 21:24
What happened to the spoilers?

Tyron
23-07-2006, 21:41
And whats the with the "golden throne to get in the webway" stuff?

Im reading Horus Rising currently on page 87.

AmasNagol
24-07-2006, 05:55
"Horus.....you...were...Adopted......"

You guys have seen it? thats another 15 i have to spend, well 30, i need to get book 3.

*cough*www.amazon.co.uk*cough cough*

Reabe
24-07-2006, 17:37
The Emperors last words

"If you ask me, the whole thing has gone down the latrine." :p

the dark angel
24-07-2006, 18:37
the true purbase of the golden throne:to keep the emperor alive (life support system)read it sumwhere cant remember where but id think it is as hes still alive after wounds from horus that may have resulted in him bleeding to death

edit:its in chaos codex i think on the heresy or the space marine codex on the heresy

the emperors last words:"horus,why have you done this this,why have you killed your fellow brother sanguinius!"the emperor looks at the body of sanguinius the primarch of the blood angels chapter and looked back at horus and shouted "why!,why have you folowed the path of chaos!you have tainted yourself so know i will cleanse you"thrusts his power sword though horus who cries out in pain,a tear goes down the emperors eye "i loved you,you where my son"he turns to sanguinius and speaks out "you shall be avenged,every traitor shall be cleansed, even if it takes an eternity of war!"
and so the emperor lifted his son sanguinius where they where teleported back to terra,to find traitos fleeing back to there shipswhilst loyalist marines gunned them down in rage as he lay sanguinius down all the marines stopped there fireing,and as so men of the blood angels chapter came up to there dead primarch and dropped to there knees where they went into prayer.seeing there pain the emperor whisperd "he shall be avanged,but only by the destruction of the alien,the mutant and the heretic even if it takes us an eternity"and after those word the emperor of mankind enterd his palace never to be seen out of those doors again.

well thats all i could think of,any 1 like my words of the emperor?

MrInsomniac
24-07-2006, 18:42
:eyebrows: You do know what happened in the battle between Horus and the Emperor right? Your 'last words' are just a little way off the mark.

Daemonslave
24-07-2006, 18:51
Emperor's last words:

Spoiler >Dorn, do not fear for me, for despite that I am missing an arm, my flesh has been burnt and my spine is broken it isn't as bad as it looks...erghhh.<:)

Lord Dante
24-07-2006, 18:51
Dark A - you missed the bit about the Emp getting mortaly wounded and ending up in the Golden Throne.

Havoc
24-07-2006, 19:27
Yeah I was like WTF what the hell were GW were thinking of releasing that for

the dark angel
25-07-2006, 14:10
sorry guys!i was missing out a lot yea but i was thinking of the other things like all the fine things that well you know didnt matter but the bit on why have you done this horus at the begin is really what i thing was his last wordsas well as him taking back sanguinius cause if he was wounded ,hes the emperor right strongest guy?could have taken him back

Havoc
25-07-2006, 14:23
The Emperor was stronger yes but he held back becuase Horus was his favourite son and he didn't want to kill him, Horus inflicted mortal wounds to the big E and only when a imperial fist terminator came into the room where they were fighting and got fried in his armour did the Emperor unleash his uber psychic attack at Horus obliterating his soul.

Rogal Dorn found the Emperor and took him back to terra, we have to assume that some one took sanniguis's body as his geneseed was needed to save the blood angels legion from extinction. i think his last words could be that they can be saved or redeemed.

Tyron
25-07-2006, 14:27
The thing is Dorn brought the Emperor back, but the Emperor is in terminator armour so this shows the sheir strength of a Primarch.

Also whats wit hthe "golden throne for the web way" stuff??

Havoc
25-07-2006, 15:19
apparenately the golden throne is coonected to the eldar webway i believe

adbower
25-07-2006, 18:33
This thread does not deliver!

Daemonslave
26-07-2006, 14:12
You're not missing much...

Emps last words:

>"Poor, brave Malcador the Hero. He reserved a fragment of his strength for me. It gives me a little time to pass final orders to you all. If you do as I ask then I shall not wholly die, my spirit at least will survive. My injuries are severe, more so that I had hoped but less so than I had feared. My psychic powers will return to me in time but my body will never heal. I shall never walk amoungst you again. I am now bound to this machine for all time. My faithful bodyguards and attendants know what is required. You must do as they request!

"Dorn and Jaghatai, you have much work to do. Though the head of the serpent has been destroyed its coils still choke the safety of mankind. You and your loyal brothers must fight on. Cleanse the taint of treachery from our stars. Never again must we allow the ruinous powers to have such a chance.

Now all of you go! You know your duties. Execute them well. The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!"

The Emperor spoke no more.<

Wazzahamma
26-07-2006, 14:56
The last line should have been "...be corny."

Lastie
26-07-2006, 17:30
After reading the last words of the Emperor, I feel a sudden urge to buy all the copies of HH and burn them ... but the books have awesome artwork, so I won't. :p

Voltaire
27-07-2006, 14:42
To be honest, this thread has been quite bad compared to what I thought it was going to be.

Lord Dante
27-07-2006, 14:47
they should just stick the Old Emp in a Titan + G,Throne

squigsnok
27-07-2006, 15:57
To be honest I've bought books 3 and 4 for the artwork. The fluff is a little, well, rubbish. Sure it "expands" on what we already know (and takes vast liberties with alot of it too) but I'm not overly keen on the guy's writing style. The characters come across as a little one dimentional, and it just doesnt have the scale of the "epic" that one would expect. I dont know whether its just coz its the Sabretooth stuff, but i dont like it. It comes to a head in book 3 where there's the bit written by Graham McNeil, and you see what it COULD have been like. The bit on the sacking of Prospero is fantastic, and kinda makes you a lil dissapointed with the rest. But the artwork rocks, so what the hey.

As for book 4, a large chunk of the back is taken up with pages showing every card in the Sabretooth game, so thats a bit of a let down. The story finished with a fair few pages to go.

sorry for the lack of spoilers, folks. but there isnt that much to spoil. We all know how the heresy ended, and alot of the book is taken up with the big face off that we all know and love. There isnt the depth of the HH novels (obviously), and therefore there arent the last minute plot twists to break to you.

Except that bit about horus actually winning but taking the emperor's place in a diabolical scheme to undermine the Imperium from within. But you all saw that coming, right....... :D

Evilmerlin
28-07-2006, 09:35
So what is the actual purpose of that golden throne other than keeping the Emperor alive that is.

Mechanicus
28-07-2006, 10:52
It's original purpose was to hold a webway portal so that the Imperium could reduce dependance on the warp, and travel much safer. Magnus sent a psychic message to the Emperor, which broke the protective wards and caused Daemons to get into the webway around the Golden Throne. The Emp could use the Golden Throne to close the gate to keep the Daemons at bay, but he had to be sitting on it. When Horus lowered his shields to let the Emperor on board, he left Malcador on the Throne, and as we know, the Emperor was mortally wounded. The Throne was modified by the Emperor's orders into, essentially, a life support machine. He was incarcerated into the modified Throne, where he has been for the past 10,000 years.

Lord Dante
28-07-2006, 11:04
Whos Malcador?

Out of interest do you think the Emp is actually aware of anything, or that the machine just uses his brain or somehow his psy ablity like part of a giant machine.... strange.

masecase
28-07-2006, 11:09
Ah, you mean like a servitor. What irony that would be for the Ad Mech.

Mechanicus
28-07-2006, 11:19
Malcador the Sigilite was the Emperor's proxy when he was in the palace vaults, heading up the Council of Terra, and he had been with the Emperor since the beginning of the crusade. Some reckon he was a relation of the Emperor's, but this is unproven. He died on the Golden Throne.

Lord Dante
28-07-2006, 11:40
Did the throne kill him? was it to much for him?

Daemonslave
28-07-2006, 11:47
Pretty much, hence why the Emp started referring to him as Malcador the Hero, rather than Sigilitte. He was practically dead when the almost dead Emp was taken to the throne and he used the last of his strength to allow the Emperor to issue final orders. :cheese: :cheese: :cheese:

Eideu
28-07-2006, 11:50
I hate te idea the emp can never return, it hought he was going into the webway portal with a horde of Custodes to figh secretly to turnt he tide against choas.

Lord Dante
28-07-2006, 13:43
Yeah I dont like that line it removes some of the mystery behind the Emp... bad scripting.

Dark18
28-07-2006, 14:28
The Emperor was stronger yes but he held back becuase Horus was his favourite son and he didn't want to kill him, Horus inflicted mortal wounds to the big E and only when a imperial fist terminator came into the room where they were fighting and got fried in his armour did the Emperor unleash his uber psychic attack at Horus obliterating his soul.

Rogal Dorn found the Emperor and took him back to terra, we have to assume that some one took sanniguis's body as his geneseed was needed to save the blood angels legion from extinction. i think his last words could be that they can be saved or redeemed.

Actually, it was a guardsman that got fried and indirectly saved the emperor IIRC. Can't remember his name right now but he was declared a saint afterwards. :angel:

Mechanicus
28-07-2006, 14:46
His name was Ollanius Pius, and the background changed to make it an Imperial Fists Terminator instead.

Daemonslave
28-07-2006, 15:37
His name was Ollanius Pius, and the background changed to make it an Imperial Fists Terminator instead.

And now it is a member of the Adeptus Custodes. Bloody Sabretooth!

Shaper Shakra
28-07-2006, 17:16
Alright, here's a major spoiler. If you plan on reading the book, I wouldn't read this. >The Emperor wins. Oh, and some guys die. But that's probably not important.








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Daemonslave
28-07-2006, 17:19
Well at least Sabretooth didn't change everything.

t-tauri
28-07-2006, 20:27
His name was Ollanius Pius, and the background changed to make it an Imperial Fists Terminator instead.
It was an Imperial Fist first in a bunker on earth in the earliest versions IIRC. The Ollanius Pius bit comes from a flag in an old IG illustration which comes after the IF terminator.

It's a myth. Myths have different versions for different audiences. 10,000 years of history tend to blur the original facts. For the Fists it's one of their own who sacrifices himself to save the Emperor. For that IG regiment it's Pius. With our new dynamic Merrett-o-vision of the Heresy we now know it's a Custodian but for most people in the 41st millenium the Fist or the IG are equally valid.

There may even be more "saviours" who have stories about them-Blood Angels, White Scars, janitors, who knows?

Snakebite
28-07-2006, 21:20
At the start of this thread, my hopes were up big time. Having reached the end, my original fears that GW would somehow ruin the whole series have started returning.

I loved Horus Rising and False Gods. The idea that the Horus Heresy is being explained and elaborated upon is fantastic but I can imagine GW will step on a few toes as they tell their own story...

Heru Talon
29-07-2006, 23:12
It's original purpose was to hold a webway portal so that the Imperium could reduce dependance on the warp, and travel much safer. Magnus sent a psychic message to the Emperor, which broke the protective wards and caused Daemons to get into the webway around the Golden Throne. The Emp could use the Golden Throne to close the gate to keep the Daemons at bay, but he had to be sitting on it. When Horus lowered his shields to let the Emperor on board, he left Malcador on the Throne, and as we know, the Emperor was mortally wounded. The Throne was modified by the Emperor's orders into, essentially, a life support machine. He was incarcerated into the modified Throne, where he has been for the past 10,000 years.


One word, YUCK!


Alright so I have yet to read the book, but I do know about afew of the spoilers that were mentioned on these forums at somepoint, and each and everyone was terrible.


1. Why would the Emperor the most powerful being in the Galaxy, the man that would seek to conquer the Universe take such a cop out and use the Eldar Webay for anything (the Eldar weren't prefect). If the Emperor was to do anything like that, he'd go bigger.... much much bigger... and seek to conquer the Warp not the Webway.

2. Magnus a power source for the throne... yeah and his Legion would ever have allowed that - in fact why even create the Thousand Sons if that was their Primarch's perpose ?

3. So somehow the Golden Throne turns from device to control the Webway to Life Support machine that in turn powers the Astronomican... those kind of changes would have taken years to make, and by then the Emperor would really have been just a corpse.



Sabertooth = Craptastic.

cybertron2000uk
12-08-2006, 19:55
not bad last words from the emp..will I buy the 4 book??hmmm nope the novels are better!!

Daemonslave
12-08-2006, 20:33
1. Why would the Emperor the most powerful being in the Galaxy, the man that would seek to conquer the Universe take such a cop out and use the Eldar Webay for anything (the Eldar weren't prefect). If the Emperor was to do anything like that, he'd go bigger.... much much bigger... and seek to conquer the Warp not the Webway.

Well, thats easier said than done. The webway offers safe passage through space without the dangers of the warp. Seems a good idea to me.


2. Magnus a power source for the throne... yeah and his Legion would ever have allowed that - in fact why even create the Thousand Sons if that was their Primarch's perpose ?

Magnus' continued his use of sorcery and foresaw the Heresy. He sent a warning to the Emp, using a method that involved sorcery since he knew it could get through the warp storms (and possibly to prove a point that it could be used for good purposes). This warning shattered all the protective runes in the Imperial Palace, thus giving daemons access.

As punishment, the Emperor sent Russ to escort Magnus back to Earth, where he would be plugged into the Golden Throne and would have to fight off the daemons using his psychic energy, until the Emperor could recreate all his runes.

Before Russ new of Horus turning, the Warmaster contacted Russ and spoke of the terrible things Magnus was doing and told him to destroy Prospero, which Russ did.


3. So somehow the Golden Throne turns from device to control the Webway to Life Support machine that in turn powers the Astronomican... those kind of changes would have taken years to make, and by then the Emperor would really have been just a corpse.

I agree. This suggests that these modifications were made before the Heresy, implying that the Emp knew the outcome and did little to prevent it...

tristessa
12-08-2006, 20:42
What surprised me was how Horus repents at the end. I thought that was quite neat.

Mechanicus
13-08-2006, 09:23
3. So somehow the Golden Throne turns from device to control the Webway to Life Support machine that in turn powers the Astronomican... those kind of changes would have taken years to make, and by then the Emperor would really have been just a corpse.

Well, the Golden Throne was constructed by the Mechanicum, the same people who planed a continent flat in a few months (IIRC), and so if they modified it at the same rate, I doubt it would have taken too long.

FlashGordon
13-08-2006, 10:33
Well, the Golden Throne was constructed by the Mechanicum, the same people who planed a continent flat in a few months (IIRC), and so if they modified it at the same rate, I doubt it would have taken too long.

Hm... there IS a difference between Destruction and Rebuilding you know...;)

de Selby
13-08-2006, 11:11
I agree with t-tauri that it's better if the different factions are allowed to mythologize the Heresy their own way.

I was hoping the last words would be something like:

"Oh, my country, how I love my country...
I think I could eat one of Bellamy's veal pies..."

Ten points if you can tell me who's last words these reputedly were...

FlashGordon
13-08-2006, 11:15
could it be Hitler?

Mechanicus
13-08-2006, 13:27
Hm... there IS a difference between Destruction and Rebuilding you know...;)

Maybe, but still. Mountains erased, canyons filled in, innumberable basins along a roadway 500 metres wide and 500 kilometres long, 100,000 iron posts (With complementary Ork heads on top), one massive dias the size of the base of a mountain. You've got to give them some credit for that! :D

de Selby
13-08-2006, 14:47
Just to clarify, does the Golden Throne still represent a vulnerability in the webway, or was it 'fixed'? Does it still have any connection to the webway? The more well-known life-support and astronomican bits could be comparatively minor additions to the structure if most of it is still serving its original purpose.



could it be Hitler?

Nice idea, but not right. Unless by some weird coincidence...

Daemonslave
13-08-2006, 17:05
Just to clarify, does the Golden Throne still represent a vulnerability in the webway, or was it 'fixed'? Does it still have any connection to the webway? The more well-known life-support and astronomican bits could be comparatively minor additions to the structure if most of it is still serving its original purpose.


As well as keeping the Emperor alive the Golden Throne is what the Emperor is using to keep the daemons out of the webway. Should he falter then the Imperium is doomed...:cheese:

librerian_samae
13-08-2006, 17:13
Is my mind failing me or in the origional fluff wasn't the golden throne constructed by Rogal Dorn as the emperors last wish when he was being carried by dorn from Horus' flagship?:eyebrows:

Daemonslave
13-08-2006, 20:30
Is my mind failing me or in the origional fluff wasn't the golden throne constructed by Rogal Dorn as the emperors last wish when he was being carried by dorn from Horus' flagship?:eyebrows:

Correct. Another "fact" that Sabretooth chose to overlook because it wasn't "kewl" enough.

The Judge
13-08-2006, 20:51
I always, even before Sabretooth, thought the Throne was something he sat on, and Dorn altered it.

Lord Zarkov
13-08-2006, 22:11
There was a reference to it in Horus Rising as well which inplies that there was a throne beforehand and the Emperor merely told Dornm how to alter it. It seems a little odd for the dieing emperor to give Dorn the complete information on how to scratchbuild a highly complicated life-support machine

jimbobodoll
13-08-2006, 22:19
There was a reference to it in Horus Rising as well which inplies that there was a throne beforehand and the Emperor merely told Dornm how to alter it. It seems a little odd for the dieing emperor to give Dorn the complete information on how to scratchbuild a highly complicated life-support machine

unless he did it psychically. Imparting all the information in his brain in a nanosecond...

rickie8437
14-08-2006, 16:02
ive just got its cool so the big boss can never leave the toilet lol sweet and horus was just a spoiled kid that never got his way i just hope that the book by ben counter follows the vision of death book

and this has propded me in doing a son of horus army iven even started to make horus himself

oh one question how do you get to post threads as i have questions to ask but can post them plz help im new

Daemonslave
14-08-2006, 16:17
To post a new thread, go to the correct forum (i.e. this is the 40k background information forum) to where it lists the threads that have been posted. Above this list there is a "new thread" icon. Click it, and away you go!:)

cybertron2000uk
15-08-2006, 19:51
What surprised me was how Horus repents at the end. I thought that was quite neat.

how does he go? I sorry daddy?? just like to know...lol