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Chem-Dog
25-07-2006, 04:44
The new Redemptionists are revealed in 320.

What do you think about them?

My personal view is included in spoilers so have a look, decide what you think THEN read what I think.
http://warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11480&stc=1&d=1153425274http://warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11481&stc=1&d=1153425333http://warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11482&stc=1&d=1153425333http://warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11483&stc=1&d=1153425333
YUCKY YUCKY YUCKY YUCK!!

Sorry about that.

The Priest looks like he's a Chaos Cult leader (an incredibly strong one who can hold a bolter like that).
The Deacons aren't too bad but their Heads/Masks look silly (I'll probably use one as the basis of an Inquisitorial Accolyte, minus the head, I quite like the breastplate).
The Brethren look awful, The departure from the originals doesn't improve them in any way, again the heads look silly, the two "juve" models are horrible.
The Zealot, What a hackneyed cliche of a model, Chainsword weilding nutter with a hockey mask on (!) Brother Voorhees or Brother Mathers??

So am I being too hard on them? I get the feeling that SG have a policy of "If it ain't broke, broke it".

I don't want to be another internet Critic who slates anything not to his personal taste, god knows my own sculpting skills begin and end at "indistinct blob on base" level, but I do feel that the Necromunda miniatures released since Specialist Games took over are third rate and what's even more distressing is the perfectly good miniatures that were released before are being discontinued in favour of the newer (and, I think, poorer) versions.

Apologies for the rant, but it's hard to see your favorite game get treated so poorly.


Edit. Forgot to put a Poll on this, Could a nice Mod make a Good/Bad/Undecided poll for me please?

Shadowheart
25-07-2006, 05:43
By Citadel standards, I think those are poor. The posing and the sculpting of the cloth are static, flat. The detailing, headgear and especially the weapons are clunky, unpretty.
They do look more like hardbitten Outlanders, but I much prefer the old loonies.

Darkseer
25-07-2006, 06:14
The priest is passable, but the rest of them look dreadful.

cookiescrumble
25-07-2006, 06:41
Love the priest, would look great in a LATD army.

Jedi152
25-07-2006, 07:31
Is it only me that loves them, apart from the skinny 'naked' breathren?

Redemptionist were always my favourite gang (oh sorry, did i capture your ganger? Here, have him back .... nah, not really, he's burning as we speak.) and i'll certainly be looking to get back into necromunda with these.

**EDIT** Why does the first deacon only have a shotgun, They're just about the only gangers who can have special weapons - and what's that in his other hand?

Damien 1427
25-07-2006, 07:40
A maul of some form.

Considering the pretty awful standards of the current crop of Necromunda models, those are probably some of the best. The bretheren are pretty poor, and the Zealot needs a much bigger chainsword, but overall they're pretty good.

Not a patch on the old ones, though.

Keravin
25-07-2006, 08:12
Not something I'd use for Redemptionists - BUT Adeptus Mechanicus conversions just got easier.

revford
25-07-2006, 08:53
I like them, other than the deacons they look good.

Will these have the seperate hand/weapon sprues like the new orlocks?

That priest would look cool leading a cultist army.

t-tauri
25-07-2006, 09:12
I'd like to see the components but I'm not hugely impressed. Given that the new Orlocks, Enforcers, Goliaths were so good the later gangs have been really bad. These look out of proportion with some rather strange weapon choices.

revford
25-07-2006, 09:21
I'm with you on the Orlocks and Goliaths.

I quite liked the Ratskins too, they were just too different to my existing gang to be able to add them and I didn't want to start over with the new models.

As for the Enforcers, I hated them, I could see they are nicely done and the some people could like them, but I didn't. I still have a bunch of the orginal 40K Arbites (not the chunky 2ed ones) to use when I need Enforcers.

cybertron2000uk
25-07-2006, 13:50
not worth the £20! but they look cool..

Jedi152
25-07-2006, 13:55
Does the WD say how many you get for £20? Just those 8? I hope you can get better weapon selections than that.

hereticdave
25-07-2006, 15:31
Yeah i'm with most of you on these - they look pretty nasty and the originals are by far outstrip them. As for the other releases i must admit i've not been too keen on any of them, though i'd put the Goliaths as the better of the bunch. I just purchased a Ratskin gang off eBay rather than get the new ones - i dunno they just seem to be missing something...

Jedi152
25-07-2006, 15:51
I can't believe that no-one likes them. Compare them to the abysmal Goliaths and Orlocks, and the pretty dire Scavvies and Enforcers, and those godawful Ratskins and they're amazing.

I'll certainly be buying them.

Ironically the best sculpt for Necro full stop is the one they haven't released: The infamous Bounty Hunter (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=778701&postcount=2). I'd buy 3 just to congratulate the guy that sculpted it.

3 0f 6
25-07-2006, 15:57
wonder how bad they are to assemble, those enforcers were terrible, for the whole needing to bend guns etc to get a snug fit.

Kriegsherr
25-07-2006, 15:59
I think I can find uses for the priest. The rest: yuck! never change a running (and passable looking) Gang.... And the old redempts were one of my favorites (I had 20+ of the old nutters, even painted (And that means something in my case ;)))

A clear thumb down. On the day Specialist Games lay their filthy fingers on my beloved escher Gang, I will start looking for a apropriate punishment for this heresy. And there shall be one found, even though dead is not enough!

EDIT: Someone knows why on earth they never released that bounty hunter?

Damien 1427
25-07-2006, 16:05
I can't believe that no-one likes them.
I'm a someone. :( I'd probably never buy them, unless I ever finished rewriting the Chaos Cult rules and needed test subjects to build up from.

bertcom1
25-07-2006, 16:09
discontinued in favour of the newer versions.

Forgot to put a Poll on this, Could a nice Mod make a Good/Bad/Undecided poll for me please?

You can put a poll on yourself, under thread tools.


Does it say the old models are being withdrawn? When?
They are still available on the UK Online store.

hereticdave
25-07-2006, 16:45
I love my Escher gang! I seriously hope they leave them well alone - those sculpts are fantastic classics!

Haha yes i've just been enjoying the joy of the Enforcer weapons myself! Its wierd as the Heavy and special weapons work fine and the bolters and shotguns don't? Ah well i got the old green stuff out and filled the gaps and with a few other mods they look fine. I did note on one of them where the left arm is raised to hold the end of the gun its missing the connector ring segment for the armour. More green stuff.... :P

Chem-Dog
25-07-2006, 17:12
I can't believe that no-one likes them. Compare them to the abysmal Goliaths and Orlocks, and the pretty dire Scavvies and Enforcers, and those godawful Ratskins and they're amazing.

I'll certainly be buying them.

Ironically the best sculpt for Necro full stop is the one they haven't released: The infamous Bounty Hunter (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=778701&postcount=2). I'd buy 3 just to congratulate the guy that sculpted it.

They are better than the other stuff Specialist have churned out since they took on Necromunda, but best of a bad bunch is no great accolade.

As far as I know, the Bounty Hunter (a picture of whom is adorning my desktop) was a try out model or job application thingy, I thought he was a pre release green and got all excited :( I've been told that the guy frequents one of the GW related sites, I guess if you found him you could persuade him to put something similar together for you, well, Maybe.



You can put a poll on yourself, under thread tools.


Does it say the old models are being withdrawn? When?
They are still available on the UK Online store.

I tried that first, the button doesn't seem to want to work.

It doesn't say anywhere that the original Redemptionists are going to be discontinued, but to my knowledge they didn't announce the dropping of the Goliaths, Orlocks or Ratskins (don't even get me started on the Ash Nomads, the one time I actually feel like buying SG minis...) in favour of the new, substandard figures.

Psyren
25-07-2006, 17:41
I really like the priest, he could be an excellent traitor commissar in my LatD army, but I'm not too fond of any of the rest of them.

Capitán Sánchez
26-07-2006, 06:45
I like them all. There must be a way to use them in a SoB 40K army. :eyebrows:


Thank you

Plaguebeast
26-07-2006, 07:02
Hmmm... The priest is passable, as are the deacons and zealot (all they need are some different more proportioned weapons). The Brethren however... I'm sorry but they look like the work of some obscure miniature-sculpting company, not GW. The new Necromunda minis have been a bit hit and miss, with most ruined by oversized and rediculous-looking weapons. Most unfortunate :(

Plaguebeast

cookiescrumble
26-07-2006, 08:00
At first they didn't appeal to me. But i really like them. The next gang after my goliaths.

ThousandPlateaus
26-07-2006, 08:49
I think they're the nuts (except the awful Juves) - they'll definitely be working their way into my WH army, and they may even rekindle my love for Necromunda. I'm suprised so few people like them, I think they're excellent.

DarthSte
26-07-2006, 11:42
I like them. The priest is excellent, the zealot with the eviscerator is really good too. The juve like brethren are a bit feeble, but the others make up for them. Great for lost and the damned or inquisitorial henchmen.

Col_Stone
26-07-2006, 19:11
Vote was bad, they aren't bad minis tho, just not redemptionists;)

ThousandPlateaus
26-07-2006, 19:27
Huh?! What are they then?

Lostanddamned
26-07-2006, 19:58
Well up all of yours :p

I love them, Gonna make them into a witch hunter & retinue, with absolutely 0 conversions.

1 Inquisitor
2 Acolytes
2 Veterans
2 Pentinants
1 Thingy (the zealot, any ideas?)

revford
26-07-2006, 20:05
The Zealot would make a cool priest.

Mad Doc Grotsnik
26-07-2006, 20:20
At first, I though they sucked big time.

But now I've seen them a few times, my opinion has softened somewhat. They certainly aren't up to scratch, but equally, I've seen far worse!

stahly
29-07-2006, 08:33
The models are up on the German online store: weapons and heads are all seperate pieces: http://de.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.de?do=Individual&code=99110599159&orignav=9

Luke
29-07-2006, 08:51
I wouldnt buy them for the sick amount of cash they want for them, but would accept them as a gift. I quite like em. THey have none of the charm of the originals but thats the way it is with GW these days. Im a child of the 80's, cheesey bling and cartoon colours were ace back then but these days the kids want something a tad darker and these boys fit the bill.

The Judge
29-07-2006, 08:58
Mixing them into the old models is my plan - the leader and the deacons are quite good. Certainly a KKK look to one of the brethren expecially. The Zealot ain't too bad.
The thing that really gets me is that, like the Ratskins and the old Goliaths, the old Redemptionists probably won't be available to buy anymore...

btw, the Orlocks are teh ugly. The Goliaths cannot even be compared to them!

revford
29-07-2006, 09:08
Now I've seen how the bits break down, Cheers for that stahly, superb!

I can bits buy away all the cool weapons/heads and ignore the less good bodies on some of them.

warpscum
29-07-2006, 09:19
Does anyone knows when they are released?
And are there existing rules for the Redemptionists?

Ki-Adi-Monkey
29-07-2006, 15:22
The only thing I don't like about these is the two juve models. The rest are somewhere between good and great.

Rob

Charax
29-07-2006, 15:33
what the....

where are the exterminators? I loved the exterminator-festooned Redemptionists cleansing with flame, now there's not even a weapon option for it.

http://de.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.de?do=Individual&code=9947059915911&orignav=9

seriously? Baghead redemptionists?

the priest looks ok, the deacons are passable, but the others are disgusting. The poses are uninspiring and the weapons are worse than their plastic counterparts (I would kill for a plastic autogun sprue).

I'll see what the rules are like, but I won't buy the models.

None of the new Necro models stand up to their old counterparts. I dread to see what they'll do to the eschers.

neXus6
29-07-2006, 16:19
I don't like the new ones at all.

The new goliaths are surviveable but have pencil necks, the new orlocks are rubbish, the new ratskins are awful, and these redemptionists are well and truly craptastic.

Atleast theres always EBay to get hold of the good old models.

revford
29-07-2006, 16:38
Having a closer look at the bits in the online store, I'm seeing how useful the models can be elsewhere, robe wearing bodies with no hands or head will make great starting points for Inqusitors and other Imperial clerics.

t-tauri
29-07-2006, 17:24
Some nice bits there, thanks stahly. Some rather emaciated bodies but probably worth adding to existing gangs. Also as the good rev points out useful starts for conversions.

kendoka
29-07-2006, 20:37
IMHO: Rather OK - for being a Specialist Games release...
Might actually buy some, really interesting bits (love the skull masks etc).

Far better than all of the new Orlocks (who only look good if compared with Nagash, Vespids or SST Skinnies...).


Jervis Johnsson (if you are reading this) PLEASE buy Jes Goodwin a few pints of lager (you can send me the bill) and have him promise to make the new Eschers!

Psyren
30-07-2006, 08:12
I didn't like these at the start, but having now seen the sprues I'm definitely going to get them. Theres plenty of extra weapons (very useful), a cool skull mask for the leader,and 7 KKK-style hoods, enough for the rest of the squad to wear.

Jedi152
30-07-2006, 17:18
If anyone buys the box i'll gladly swap it for my set of old redemptionists.

I love them even more now i've seen the sprues!

warpscum
30-07-2006, 22:18
Me too!
I just love them! Nice heads, cool cloths A.s.o.
Just gotta buy them!

Chem-Dog
31-07-2006, 02:32
1 Inquisitor
2 Acolytes
2 Veterans
2 Pentinants
1 Thingy (the zealot, any ideas?)

The Zealot with the Evicerator would make a pretty good stand in as a Combat Servitor.

It's a noble attempt at making multiple part kits to make gangs more flexible (obviously people bitching about multiple 1 pose models in a gang has got to somebody) but the models themselves fail to live up to their predecessors, is this what we should expect? Substance over style, Fantasy/Sci-fi wargames miniatures are about the only time I can think of where this is probably wrong.

Major_Gilbear
31-07-2006, 18:49
I don't really see why they didn't just re-tool the old models so that the weapons were plug-in... That way the styles would all be kept intact, and could be mixed freely with the orignals, yet still offer flexibility when equipping your gang.

The older models were all superior, and the only new ones that I would consider purchasing are the Goliaths. And only then because the old Goliaths had just six gangers to choose from, whilst the leaders had dumb weapon selections modelled on them (Grenade Launcher on a CC monster anybody? Pfft!).

Having said all that, I find that many of the SGs have on the whole been badly done by. Before too long, I don't think I'll really care on a personal level if GW suports them or not, as I have all the old models and rules to enjoy anyway. When I introduce new ppl to an SG, I always point them to EBay now.

the dark angel
31-07-2006, 19:14
i love those minis i think they are the best minis in necromunda!:D lol go redemptionists! (i made a codex for them in 40k years ago,omg they stole my name!)

ThousandPlateaus
31-07-2006, 19:19
Yeah - I think they're the dogs b*llocks.
I was so annoyed yesterday to find I couldn't get them on the freepost weekend...

ScooterinAB
01-08-2006, 00:20
I'm undecided. I recently converted a redemptionist gang (though still unpainted). I kind of like the deacons. I also like the weapon choices. You can never have enough weapons. Now, I am liking the abundance of brethren now. Between the old ones, new ones and bitz, and the old Chaos Cultists (which make good brethren), I will have no trouble fielding all of the converted brethren I hope to get.

I'm quite excited about this though. There hasn't been a Necromunda release in quite some time. Maybe this means that SG is getting more active with Necromunda. Also, this release means that the rules will be finalized. They have been in server limbo for well over a year now, without any repostings or updates (though you could still get them be PMing the Mod). Again, hopefully they finalize the Redemp rules, and start with some more releases.

I wanted to comment on the look though. Is it just me, or does GW seem to be breaking off from the way the make models look. It's almost as if the quality is dropping, but I can't quite put my finger on it. I've been noticing it since around when 4th Ed 40k came out. Anyone else agree?

Tymell
01-08-2006, 00:51
Some of them are good, but I just can't get over those appaling juves. I know they're supposed to be young, but are they trying to make them out to be 10 years old? Because that's how they look. :eyebrows:

ScooterinAB
01-08-2006, 02:35
I'll say this though. Show me a good juve model (Escher aside). Yes, these one look pretty bad, but who remembers what the old Goliath one looked like.

Imperial Stormtrooper
01-08-2006, 02:54
Ahhhh!!!! terrible models! Look absolutely terrible!!

I like my old redemptionist models sooooo much better!!

Major_Gilbear
01-08-2006, 19:58
I wanted to comment on the look though. Is it just me, or does GW seem to be breaking off from the way the make models look. It's almost as if the quality is dropping, but I can't quite put my finger on it. I've been noticing it since around when 4th Ed 40k came out. Anyone else agree?

Yep, in fact I'd say it started around 3rd ed (take a look at the original 3rd Ed Space Wolf scouts, or the newer style Striking Scorpions).

You'll also notice that the online shop/WD/et al have virtually stopped posting who sculpted which models. WD still make the odd mention I think, but mostly the sculptors are now anonymous.

The two biggest issues for me are the heads/faces, many of which are extremely poor (look at the new Wood Elves), and the poses. Yes, the newer poses are more "dynamic", but also many look pretty akward to me (Sicarus, new Orlocks anyone? ).

I really do hate whinging, and reading back over this topic it seems that's all I've done :(. I apologise for that, but I still think my comments are true and I stand by them.

Lostanddamned
01-08-2006, 21:29
I must admit that I am always amused by the "just tripped over a pipe" orlock juve (top right)
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110599118&orignav=300808

Agamemnon2
02-08-2006, 05:41
I like 'em. Well, except for those two barefoot skinny buggers. Pointy hats for everybody!

ScooterinAB
02-08-2006, 21:37
I said to my friend yesterday, that the days of hacking up a model for his pointy hat are behind us.

He also immediately said, when I described them, that they would make good Witchhunter conversions. Nothing like using a model for a completely different purpose. My favorite was when the Sister Repentia models came out. I completely disregarded them as Witchhunter models, and thought of how cool it would be to use them as Redemptor Zealots.

I would have liked more hooded heads. I've always imagined the Preist having the biggest hat. But at east there are an an abundance of pointy hats to use.

Jedi152
03-08-2006, 07:23
The pull of making a witchunter =][= team with KKK style hats is getting stronger...

The Judge
03-08-2006, 10:38
I certainly agree with that!

Might get myself some pointy hats... some good has definately come out of this otherwise... underwhelming release.

Sir_Turalyon
04-08-2006, 09:43
Pretty good.Considering worsening looks of 40k models, very good; no comic book looks or poses, just proper 40k models. if only vostryans were made to same level...

Jedi152
04-08-2006, 13:37
Just a quick note to everyone: Redemption rules are up!

http://www.specialist-games.com/assets/FO73NecRedemption.pdf

Daemon king Mad Dog
05-08-2006, 21:14
The juvey people look HORRIBLE!

Tom
05-08-2006, 23:02
Pretty goddamn good models. In my opinion.

And I would love them to do one thing for the Eschers: Sensible hair. For pretty much the only stock of decent female heads in 40K, the hair buggers it all up to hell.

Zealot
14-08-2006, 17:46
Personally, I prefer the old models as a whole. The Brethren are terrible, but the Priest is okay. They just don't look as fanatical as they should. But I do like the Zealot... the sole reason being that it is a simple eviscerator-wielding Zealot for my 40K Witch Hunters Zealots--no conversion needed. And it fits in with the Empire Flagellant models that I use as my zealots.

hereticdave
15-08-2006, 22:08
Hmm i like some of the characters and gangers but the juve's are pretty damn scary...and not in a good way :(

As a previous poster mentioned i too have lamented the loss of sculpter recognition for models. Its been a long time since i've seen a decent article covering them or their concepts etc. Probably the last one that even came close was when Mark Gibbons came back [bringing his excellent quality b&w's back to WD]

BigJon
16-08-2006, 00:45
Just to static for me as a whole, there are a couple of nice models that I would include but not blown away, they could be much better.

BigJon

Daemon king Mad Dog
16-08-2006, 15:12
I'm going to use them as Chaos cultists (I am making rules for them) Because of the leader.

Grimshawl
16-08-2006, 19:46
the breathren are horrible in my opinion, the rest are ehh. Okay I guess, but definitely not an improvement over the older ones, remaking all the gangs at this point just seems stupid when they dont have resources enough to keep SGs going in the first place. If they wanted to generate some more interest and income off of Necromunda then they should have introduced a new spire/supplement with a few more Gangs and sold minis of the new gangs. If the concepts were good enough it coulda put a big shot into the arm of Necromunda instead of rehashing older gangs this way.

New Cult King
18-08-2006, 02:26
I want some as Chaos Cultists/LatD.

Chem-Dog
18-08-2006, 04:09
If they wanted to generate some more interest and income off of Necromunda then they should have introduced a new spire/supplement with a few more Gangs and sold minis of the new gangs. If the concepts were good enough it coulda put a big shot into the arm of Necromunda instead of rehashing older gangs this way.


I would rather see either expanding out into the ash wastes or life on the edge of the sump, boating on the great sldge lake would be a hoot.

Possibly expanding out into an old abandoned hive (necromunda has several, trazior is one, if memory serves) might be a good deal of fun, you know, all that loot waiting around for some enterprising gang to grab, lots of muties sloping around waiting for someone to eat.