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Brandir
10-08-2006, 08:06
Mongoose Publishing are to release a tabletop miniatures game based on Conan the Barbarian novels in 2007.

It will be a 28mm 'heroic' scale game with both plastic and metal miniatures.

I have always liked the original Conan novels by Robert E Howard. The Conan stories take place on Earth, but in the mythical (created by Howard) "Hyborian Age," between the time of the sinking of Atlantis and the rise of the known ancient civilizations.

There are lots of nations that are constantly fighting. In my opinion it is a great setting for a wargame and there is lots of potential.

erion
10-08-2006, 13:44
Mongoose's rules are pretty solid, too. Starship troopers is a great game to play. My greatest concern stems from the grossly inconsistent quality of sculpts in support of the game lines.

revford
10-08-2006, 13:57
Cool, the more options in fantasy gaming, the better. Conan is a solid licence for Mongoose's answer to Warhammer. It also fits in well for turning out some miniatures for their d20 Conan RPG.

Brandir
10-08-2006, 17:46
It is also a licence that can be exploited quite well. Conan fans don't seem as anal as Tolkien fanboys like me!

Taarnak
10-08-2006, 22:14
As long as they find someone besides Bob Naismith to do the figs, I am sure that I will buy it.

I have been a Conan fan for many, many, years.


~Eric

ExquisiteEvil
11-08-2006, 03:13
As long as they find someone besides Bob Naismith to do the figs, I am sure that I will buy it.

I have been a Conan fan for many, many, years.


~Eric

Seconded...

I am still to see a decent figure from that guy. Is he the idiot nephew of some really rich and powerful person that just wants him to be 'happy' or something?

DeathMasterSnikch
11-08-2006, 06:42
Sweet :D I was recently going to convert a WHQ barbarian into conan, this could save me the effort.

nanite
11-08-2006, 23:33
Seconded...

I am still to see a decent figure from that guy. Is he the idiot nephew of some really rich and powerful person that just wants him to be 'happy' or something?

I've followed Mongoose minis more or less since their inception, and it's not so much the sculptors fault, as it is the company itself. They've had some great sculptors working for them (and Naismith isn't bad either, have you seen the Dark Realm range? All him) and but no great sculpts.

If they provide better support to their sculptors, I think we will start seeing better minis.

Crazy Harborc
12-08-2006, 01:54
Wellll..........:D Sounds good to me!! I still remember the "real" Conan novels by Howard. Sadly, that old style paperback paper used then, got brittle YEARS ago.

New Conan minies. Oh, oh, oh.......I bet the experts at GW will be checking out the new game and minies for any kind of a IP violation. Won't surprise me if GW trys to claim they "invented" heroic barbarians:rolleyes:

Suicide Messiah
12-08-2006, 14:43
Won't surprise me if GW trys to claim they "invented" heroic barbarians

If they do then theyll be saving a really cool character. Mongoose will screw this up since their minis suck.

emperorpenguin
12-08-2006, 15:03
If they do then theyll be saving a really cool character. Mongoose will screw this up since their minis suck.

yeah cos the Arachnids and exosuits etc "suck" :rolleyes:

I suppose you think GW don't put out lousy models? Anything by Morley...Chaos Possessed, Captain Cortez, anything by Trish Morrisson...

slaughteredbull
12-08-2006, 15:32
yeah cos the Arachnids and exosuits etc "suck" :rolleyes:

I suppose you think GW don't put out lousy models? Anything by Morley...Chaos Possessed, Captain Cortez, anything by Trish Morrisson...

Unforunately there is always gonna be that group of "GW can't do any wrong" posters who will always say Mongoose suck.

Personally I love the look of Mongooses stuff and wish someone in my area would even consider playing it but all I get is the same old "It's not GW so it sucks" response.

revford
12-08-2006, 15:50
The starship troopers bugs look great, however much of the rest of the range is rather poor.

They've had a bit more practice now and hopefully we'll see good stuff for this Conan game.

I'm a fan of the movies, so as long as we get a good Grace Jones mini from Conan the Destroyer, I'll be happy. :-}=

Crazy Harborc
12-08-2006, 20:24
Any word yet on how/who the Conan minie will look like?? Arny is busy these days or i would say how about another Conan movie:evilgrin:

Suicide Messiah
13-08-2006, 16:25
Hey! Where did i say GW can do no wrong? All i said was that if they did claim heroic barbarians as part of their IP theyd be doing everyone a favour. I didnt bring GW up nor did i say they would do a better job.

GW puts out loads of crap minis (new Orcs anyone?) and Mongoose put out some good minis (the bugs are a good example). The difference is GW generally put out good minis and sometimes **** it up. Whereas people expect Mongoose to put out crap because thats what they generally do. Again, this isnt me defending GW. Im just saying their better than Mongoose but thats not saying much.

If i were to be a fanboy of any company it would be Heresy and Hasslefree.

The Judge
13-08-2006, 17:37
"Unforunately there is always gonna be that group of "GW can't do any wrong" posters who will always say Mongoose suck"

And there will always be people who argue GW can do nothing right.

I personally dislike more Mongoose models than I like. As mentioned above the Exo-suits and the warriors bugs are good, but not much else. Because of this, I reckon the Conan game will be good for plundering the good miniatures from and using them for other games.

Rabid Bunny 666
13-08-2006, 17:42
If they do then theyll be saving a really cool character. Mongoose will screw this up since their minis suck.

Only the Skinnies, then again, i don't check out the other minis, the Spider Bugs look awesome.

The only problem with Mongoosepublishing is Deadlines. The Speeder Bike incident stands out, and the Forth seem to be going that way too.

erion
13-08-2006, 17:58
Let's not forgot that we still don't have any of the dropships from the core book that were supposed to be out last summer.

Rabid Bunny 666
13-08-2006, 18:02
Fair doos, but we do have the Skyhooks.

And for some reason, Warseer just logged me out :D

erion
13-08-2006, 20:46
Actually, unless they were released at Gencon in the US this weekend, we don't have skyhooks yet, either...

Suicide Messiah
13-08-2006, 22:33
Their Rune quest stuff is pap and that, to me is a better indicator of their ability to produce Conan than Starship Troopers is. I hope its good (id love a cool conan mini) but my hopes are depressingly low.

emperorpenguin
13-08-2006, 22:49
Their Rune quest stuff is pap and that, to me is a better indicator of their ability to produce Conan than Starship Troopers is. I hope its good (id love a cool conan mini) but my hopes are depressingly low.

Those ducks are awesome!

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/product_images/full_size/rqducksscene.jpg

Suicide Messiah
13-08-2006, 22:51
Please say your joking. It looks like they got Scibor to pressmold all the heads.

emperorpenguin
14-08-2006, 00:00
Please say your joking. It looks like they got Scibor to pressmold all the heads.


No I am not joking, I don't automatically come out with statements like "Mongoose will screw this up since their minis suck"
Just cos you don't like them doesn't mean they suck

Suicide Messiah
14-08-2006, 10:38
Well it kind of does and im not exactly the first to make such a statement.

Cant you just let me have my opinion? I went through the skinnies thread and seeing as you defended them (they make minis like cortez look good) your obviously viewing their releases through some rose tinted shades.

Brandir
14-08-2006, 12:19
Can posters please take their Mongoose miniatures are crap/good discussion elsewhere.

I am more interested in posters views on the game setting and potential rather than sculpts of minis we have not yet seen.

erion
14-08-2006, 12:54
I hate to say it, Brandir, but when it comes to discussing a miniatures game to be published by Mongoose the potential quality of the minis is a very relevant topic.

They have had a couple of home runs, but quite a few more foul balls and way too many missing releases for it not to be relevant.

revford
14-08-2006, 12:57
I was getting a little lost there for a moment, wondering how crazy duck men fit into the Conan world.

If the tabletop game is going to be in line with the RPG they already publish, there are several races of men each with their own strengths. Not sure how they are going to distinguish them on the table, can't really be sure until they tell us what system they are going to use.

Does anyone know if this will be based on Andy Chambers 'Starship Troopers' game, or a totally new system?

Maybe the King Conan movie is finally being made, if so they can link up with that the way GW did with Lord of the Rings?

emperorpenguin
14-08-2006, 13:02
I went through the skinnies thread and seeing as you defended them (they make minis like cortez look good) your obviously viewing their releases through some rose tinted shades.

Well look again

I defend the models which I think are good, but other such as slaves, general etc I think are horrible

My point of contention with you was your claim that GW would save the franchise as MP would ruin it.
If GW did Conan and any of Morley/Morrisson/Bedford/Dixon were to sculpt them they'd look crap too

Suicide Messiah
14-08-2006, 15:34
I never ment to say GW should do Conan. What i was trying to say is that if GW claimed it as their IP Mongoose wouldnt be able to do it. In this way GW would be saving Conan (basically any company could do this, its just that GW were brought up so i went with it).

Lets just agree to disagree. I think Mongoose will sodomize Conan and you think theyll make lovely minis. I hope your right, i just wouldnt bet money on it is all.

All the skinnies are pap (and dont get me started on the Broo raiders;) ).

emperorpenguin
14-08-2006, 19:00
All the skinnies are pap (and dont get me started on the Broo raiders;) ).


and I know many who would disagree with you. The Venerables, Lord, Guard, Soldiers and Militia are lovely models

the duck adventurers are a stroke of genius :D

Ohman
14-08-2006, 19:53
I never ment to say GW should do Conan. What i was trying to say is that if GW claimed it as their IP Mongoose wouldnt be able to do it. In this way GW would be saving Conan (basically any company could do this, its just that GW were brought up so i went with it).

Lets just agree to disagree. I think Mongoose will sodomize Conan and you think theyll make lovely minis. I hope your right, i just wouldnt bet money on it is all.

All the skinnies are pap (and dont get me started on the Broo raiders;) ).

Well isn't it better that they make a Conan game and maybe manage to produce a few decent miniatures, rather than not make any game at all?

I'm really looking forward to this, I love Conan! It doesn't matter to me if most of the minis turn out poor, let them try, they might surprise us all.

Crazy Harborc
14-08-2006, 20:30
I agree. The really old Conan and the Hiborean(spelling?) Age series of (I think it was) Ral Partha's are long out of production. I had some GREAT pikes standing at rest(?) mounted knights and other goodies.(They still lurk on my shelves)

Makaber
14-08-2006, 20:33
The skinnies, as models, are cool. It's the art direction you're disagreeing with, and that's completely out of the sculptors control.

Suicide Messiah
14-08-2006, 21:54
I probably do disagree with the art direction but i also disagree with the stupid poses and silly expressionless faces.

Are you saying that mounted warchief/**** is a perfectly good mini?

emperorpenguin
14-08-2006, 22:32
Are you saying that mounted warchief/**** is a perfectly good mini?

no bias there then ;)

it's certainly one of the poorer in the skinnies range but largely due to inconsistency which has plagued the skinnies as a whole. ie some are lacking skinnie physiological markers eg dew claws, splayed feet or height discrepancies

the faces expressionless? hmm these are aliens after all and much as we may not see "expression" in the face of a hippo we may not see it in an alien either. I think their faces are great and most importantly match the on screen canon, which is after all a pre-requisite

Rabid Bunny 666
14-08-2006, 22:33
You do realise you're going round in circles.

Most of the Skinnies are bad, but then again, the Skinnie Soldiers and Guard are good, but thats my opinion, and whlist you are both expressing your opinion on SST Minis and Conan, you're not really getting anywhere.

Suicide Messiah
14-08-2006, 22:50
I think we both noticed that a few pages back but oh well. :p


no bias there then

Perish the thought!

On a more Conan related note... What do you all think they should make the man himself look like? I like the Frazetta version myself (darkish skin, broad features, black hair etc). Anyone want an Arnie version?

asmodai_dark86
15-08-2006, 03:33
Really? Oh what news!

They've been talking about this for years they just werent sure how best to go about it - I know, I used to exchange many long emails with Matt Sprange on the subject of merging Mighty Armies with Conan to make a battlefield game that'd improve Mighty Armies.

There also doing a modern day wargame that has four fractions - the european alliance, the asian alliance, the african alliance and the US marines.
Pfft like the British army couldnt handle the yanks.

Sigh

Basically mongoose are GW when they were releasing specialist games, except they never really have a core game. I'd like them to actually stick with starship troopers, get it properly fleshed out before even considering moving on.

Rabid Bunny 666
15-08-2006, 12:13
I agree entirely, the gaps in the SST ranges are too large at present, and they need to support their releases, the forums normally have a threa or two complaining about the King/Thorny tanker construction.

General Veers
16-08-2006, 14:39
...Anyone want an Arnie version?Ah, Reaper Miniatures has a version already:

http://www.reapermini.com/albums/2200s/2233_G.jpg

Suicide Messiah
16-08-2006, 15:00
Thats a bit of a crappy pose but the mini looks ok. If mongoose come out with stuff a bit better than that ill be happy.

Persephone
16-08-2006, 16:25
This sounds interesting. I'm not too familiar with the universe but love the movies.

revford
16-08-2006, 17:00
Ah, Reaper Miniatures has a version already:

http://www.reapermini.com/albums/2200s/2233_G.jpg


That's quite a cool mini, I like it.

If the the new mongoose models are as good as that one, I'd be happy.

General Veers
16-08-2006, 17:42
I have that mini too. I always thought of him as saying

http://www.reapermini.com/albums/2200s/2233_G.jpg
"Zee mie Bizeps and hear me...ROAR!"

Suicide Messiah
16-08-2006, 18:31
I imagine him saying 'To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of your women'.

erion
16-08-2006, 19:04
That's quite an old Reaper Mini. 96 or '97 by my reckoning. They have much better new ones. :)

General Veers
16-08-2006, 20:51
[QUOTE=Suicide Messiah;875074]I imagine him saying 'To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of your women'.He looked like he had to think to hard when saying it. I don't see him thinking that much with the above pose. ;)

Suicide Messiah
16-08-2006, 20:55
True, but i do love that quote. :p

Crazy Harborc
16-08-2006, 20:57
I do hope for at least one partial armoured version of Conan. What I would REALLY like is that Mongoose as bought the rights from the Howard estates to use the heraldry described in those long ago written tomes of advinture. Conan does this and that, Conan does Deb.........NEVER mind:eek:

tabletopnews
16-08-2006, 23:24
The rights to all of Howard's works are owned by Paradox Entertainment, the same company that owns the Mutant Chronicle property.

http://www.paradox-entertainment.com/

They bought the Conan rights from the estate in 2002 and then bought the rest of the rights to all the Howard material in 2006

asmodai_dark86
17-08-2006, 06:28
The problem is though that its Conan. Conan is essentially a different beast to starship troops or lord of the rings, and there a bit stuck on how to go about it.

See what I wanted to do with Conan (back when I was muscling my way into mongoose using evil schemes) was making the Hyborian Kingdoms - NOT Conan himself, because thats a cop out. You'd then have several different armies, not all human (snake men!) with dramatis personae from the books/films in the form of Conan, Belit, Subatei (I need my Hyrkanian archer!), and The Wizard (Mako, what a great actor he was).

If you want a proper Conan game, you need to do something like warhammer quest, and they already do a roleplaying game so there doesnt really feel like much point.

Crazy Harborc
18-08-2006, 20:18
Sounds good to me!;) Another gaming system where I might get to use minies I already own.....AND buy more great ones too;)

revford
18-08-2006, 21:57
See what I wanted to do with Conan (back when I was muscling my way into mongoose using evil schemes) was making the Hyborian Kingdoms - NOT Conan himself, because thats a cop out. You'd then have several different armies, not all human (snake men!) with dramatis personae from the books/films in the form of Conan, Belit, Subatei (I need my Hyrkanian archer!), and The Wizard (Mako, what a great actor he was).

I guess that the name 'Conan' carries more weight, everyone has heard of Conan the Barbarian, I guess not so many people know what the hyborian age is.

Hopefully it will be the battles game set in the 'Conan' world, rather than a game of Conan and his party killing soldiers and stealing treasures.



If you want a proper Conan game, you need to do something like warhammer quest, and they already do a roleplaying game so there doesnt really feel like much point.

Well, producing a line of mini's for the wargame provides mini's you could use to Warhammer Quest/DnD Mini's up the RPG, if you like that kinda thing.

slaughteredbull
18-08-2006, 22:52
Odds are it will be a battle game set in the Hyborian Kingdoms like asmodai posted.

Suicide Messiah
18-08-2006, 23:46
Crocodile games are doing somthing similar but i think Mongoose will have that edge because its ******* Conan. Croc games put out some nice minis though... :angel:

Crazy Harborc
19-08-2006, 22:41
Well, here's hoping that life is long enough to get some of all of them, mix and match/use them all.;) Sorry GW, my dream is bigger than just playing with GW minies.

Morathi's Darkest Sin
20-08-2006, 23:44
Hmm.. are the warrior priestess' from Red Sonja likely to make an appearance?

If so it might perk my interest.

nanite
22-08-2006, 05:22
The rumor going around was that this was going to be pre-painted plastic, in big huge army boxes.

Things change though, and there's some sort of "Big Announcement" coming from Mongoose in the next couple weeks.

slaughteredbull
22-08-2006, 17:41
The big announcement concerns Starship Troopers though!

Rabid Bunny 666
22-08-2006, 21:06
Any idea what it's gonna be? Personally, i think either a Rules revamp, or the Forth, because they disappeared off the site many moons ago.

slaughteredbull
22-08-2006, 21:52
I wish, there are some people in the know on the Mongoose forums but they're keeping very hush hush about it, but it will be something that will make SST players very happy. Personally I hope they've made some arrangement with a company to sell their stuff nationwide, making the game more available, or better they're gonna open stores nationwide becoming much needed competition for GW, but not likely.

nanite
23-08-2006, 02:49
I really thought the announcement was going to be about the whole company? SST, Conan, and at leas tone new game.

Mongoose chases license like thier going out of style, so who knows?

Although Mongoose workers and the six good men (or however many there are now) are getting a bit snippy about the announcement.:eyebrows:

Col_Stone
23-08-2006, 05:28
I first thought it was about battlefield evolution, but that also seems very toned down and it's already known..
I hope it's something that will get SST more widespread..
i'm sure it's good tho, besides a few skinnies;) they've really done a good job so far imho.