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ChaosRyu
14-08-2006, 07:25
Me and my friend have decided to give BFG a try and are going to buy the starter box but what else should we add on to each force to make them a decent size? Say 1500pts?

Or should we learn to play with what's in the box before we buy any more?

Blagrot Squigbreff
14-08-2006, 07:55
It's likely best you have a few games with just the starter box first, maybe decide which fleet each of you like more, the fleets are around 600-700 points.
After that proxy a few battleships, heavier cruisers and escorts then see what you want to add, (I like more cruisers, esp. Chaos)

Wlecome to BFG:)

fracas
14-08-2006, 15:54
about 2 more cruisers each, and escorts

ArtificerArmour
14-08-2006, 16:22
And a big ass battleship, to make things interesting.

ChaosRyu
14-08-2006, 17:22
Thanks for the replies guys.

I've ordered the starter box, so just gotta wait on it coming now.

I'll probably take the Chaos and my friend says he's gonna start eldar once we know how to play.

I've heard alot of people complain about Eldar. Is it cause they are better than the other races? If so, anyone got any good tactics against them?

fracas
14-08-2006, 17:44
when you build your cruisers, choose ships that have lots of "batteries" weapons of 45cm or more
they are the best weapons against eldars

Getz
14-08-2006, 17:47
Yeah, use Chaos...

As a Chaos player I never really saw what the fuss was all about with the Eldar fleet...

...and then I played them with my Imperial fleet.

The problem with Eldar is that their rules are so radically different to everyone elses it can feel like your opponent is playing a different game to you at times. That and that they have a massive advantage on tables crowded with celestial phenomena, but they are by no means unbeatable once you get your head around the game. Lots of long ranged, high strength Gun batteries tend to sort them out, no problem...

ChaosRyu
14-08-2006, 17:55
Heh, thanks for the advice guys. So basicly get plenty of batteries and just shoot the hell out of them?

Getz
14-08-2006, 17:59
Yeah, Holofields give the Eldar player a 2+ save against just about everything but batteries, where they have a negligable effect and the poor armour value of Eldar ships come into play.

Last time I played Eldar I managed to collar a Void Stalker battleship with a pair of my Carnage Class Cruisers and completely destroyed it in one turn of shooting...

ChaosRyu
14-08-2006, 18:15
Was just looking at the Tau BFG stuff on forge world and i have to say they look pretty cool.

I assume they have different rules to the ones GW sells?

Anyone have any experiance playing them?

fracas
14-08-2006, 20:22
go with a fleet from the starter set first
your friend should go imp first, then build eldar
you should go chaos first, then tau if you like

ChaosRyu
15-08-2006, 06:39
go with a fleet from the starter set first
your friend should go imp first, then build eldar
you should go chaos first, then tau if you like

Yeah that's what we are gonna do then once we kinda know how to play we'll build a fleet. I might just stick with the Chaos though but my friend seems set on Eldar.

ReDavide
15-08-2006, 19:24
Was just looking at the Tau BFG stuff on forge world and i have to say they look pretty cool.

I assume they have different rules to the ones GW sells?

Not really. The only way to use them in pick-up games is to use them on a "counts-as" basis: Custodians are Explorers, Protectors are Heroes, Castellans are Defenders, and Wardens are Orcas.

Imperial Armour Vol 3 has some unique stats for the FW ships, but there's no fleet list to go with them. So those rules can only be used in special pre-designed scenarios. It's not much of a loss really. The IA3 rules stink - they're underpowered, aren't very WYSIWYG, and don't match the Tau playing style.

ArtificerArmour
15-08-2006, 19:49
There are new tau rules on the FW site. THey've gone up in the last week or something.

ReDavide
15-08-2006, 20:32
Nice! It looks like they even modified the rules to be close to the excellent fan-produced fleet list that Xisor posted a while back.

ArtificerArmour
15-08-2006, 20:53
Aye, I'm getting worried about the megabattle I'll be having with Cookie's fleet and my short ranged Dark Eldar :(

ChaosRyu
15-08-2006, 21:01
No need to use the FW ships as "count as" any more then? Since you all seem to like these new rules i assume they are pretty good?

ArtificerArmour
15-08-2006, 21:11
Dunno, not had chance to use them, but the general consensus is that anything was better than their last set of rules.

Calindor
17-08-2006, 08:31
I have always been intsersting in BFG and the army I has most be intersted in was dark eldar. Anyone know how they work, are htey fun to play with and against?

ReDavide
17-08-2006, 09:13
Anyone know how they work They have the raw speed of normal eldar, but trade maneuverability for increased toughness. Their special wargear options are very flavorful, but I'm not sure how useful they'd actually be. I've never actually played against them so I couldn't say more than that.

The sad part is that they have the smallest range of ship models of any BFG race. (well ok besides Kroot and Nicassar but they don't really count). One cruiser, one escort, with a few interchangeable weapon parts. That's all :(. To add insult to injury, both models bear a striking resemblance to fecal matter.

I've seen some great conversions done from 40k bitz though.

ArtificerArmour
17-08-2006, 13:51
Dark eldar jetbikes, being one...

Dunr II
17-08-2006, 13:57
Your not the only one starting BFG Chaos Ryu I am as well finally after alot of umming and arring, but I am not going for the strater set (as I already have all the downloaded rules and have been practising with 40k models), I am going straight in with two of the following Imperial, Chaos or Tau, not sure which two yet.

I shall also hopefully be doing some articles on collecting my new fleets in Firebase, fingers crossed;)

Dunr II

Getz
17-08-2006, 14:10
Well, there will be an article on the Ork fleet in the first issue of Firebase, and I'm writing one of the Chaos fleet for the second...

ArtificerArmour
17-08-2006, 14:53
And a nice colour segment including chaos and imperial ships.

Darwin_green
18-08-2006, 12:33
For dark eldar, hellion skyboards work as a pretty good basis for your fleet. As they're only $3 a skyboard and are perfect size for a large escort. Just modify them with with a few bits for weapon options.

the the dark eldar lack of a fleet. maybe, but realistically I could say they have eight. One for each weapon option since in most fleets, that's really the only difference between most ships. (I.e Chaos and Imperial cruisers.)