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jimbobodoll
16-08-2006, 23:00
Inspired by the, "Who Loves Orks" thread and by the rolling Eldar codex thread which i believe is upto its 4th edition... (Makes ya weep doesn't it dark eldar players?) This is one for you Eldar fanboys.

If Eldar do it for you... Why? Is it the fluff? Is it the list? The models? Time to share the pointy eared space elf love!

Personally, i find it's a combination of pretty models, nice background/fluff, solid list... And the last reason, they aren't space marines... (yea yea... plus, a whine makes me feel better!)

From orbital to hellebore to foehammer to ravenous the Toroto goth... I know you Eldar fanboys are out there! So speak up!

sigur
16-08-2006, 23:39
We already had a "Who loves Eldar?" weeks ago when everyone went all nuts because of these threads.

Wraithbored
17-08-2006, 02:48
Aye we did and for a time it was a marvelous sight, but then people lost interest and some people hated the concept of the threads that started with "Who loves"

Outlaw289
17-08-2006, 03:50
I like 'em because they're Space Elves. Too bad Dark Eldar aren't what I'd imagine Space Dark-Elves to be :(

smokingmonkee
17-08-2006, 04:36
They taste great and are less filling.

Elanthanis
17-08-2006, 04:45
I fell in love with them because of the mystique. Back in second edition they were the technological race, the one whose weapons were superior to the imperium's. I remember a time when Games Workshop explained why the Eldar didn't have tanks, then explaining the Webway to me, as well as adding "they'd never need them!". My first army was one focused on death. It was led by a warlock, when the 2nd edition rules which allowed smaller commanders to run warhosts appeared. It was a swordwind of sorts, no guardians, but cleverly (read: beardy) used to maximize the potential of my squad of 5 dark reapers.

3rd Edition rolled around and I adopted the swordwind as my main army, mostly because I loved the Grey/Green/White variant of the Biel Tann color scheme. The army is much as what I loved about it, though I will admit the craftworld Biel Tann is much more straightforward than the other major craftworlds, or even "vanilla" worlds. I was sucked in by the idea of running a techno army, then dragged farther and farther into eldar/elf luv the more I read about them.

I wasn't an elf fan until I started playing Eldar- unlike most, who I'm sure started the other way around.

gebann
17-08-2006, 04:48
I love em for the classic looks,I think quite honestly,there is nothing better looking on the table top than a well painted Eldar army.
Not easy to play,but they look darned nice.
Gebann

IncrediSteve
17-08-2006, 06:19
It's quite simple really.

Eldar are NINJA WIZARDS*!!!

They also go pirating as a hobby.

Wraithgaurd are kinda like zombies.

And the Avatar is a giant undying flaming ninja wizard.

See? Eldar have it all!

*= To understand why that is so awesome, you should click this GIF.
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22801224157.gif (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3215651)

Outlaw289
17-08-2006, 06:21
It's quite simple really.

Eldar are NINJA WIZARDS*!!!

They also go pirating as a hobby.

Wraithgaurd are kinda like zombies.

And the Avatar is a giant undead flaming ninja wizard.

See? Eldar have it all!

*= To understand why that is so awesome, you should look at this GIF.
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/22801224157.gif (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3215651)

:eyebrows: Kids these days with their newfangled old fads and years old .gifs :(

IncrediSteve
17-08-2006, 06:25
:eyebrows: Kids these days with their newfangled old fads and years old .gifs :(

Dammit, why does everyone always assume I'm a kid because I enjoy Ninjas?

Aren't we all supposed to be kids at heart anyway? It's like once you're an adult you aren't allowed to get excited anymore. How boring. I'll continue to be defiantly lighthearted till the bitter end.

Outlaw289
17-08-2006, 06:32
Dammit, why does everyone always assume I'm a kid because I enjoy Ninjas?

Aren't we all supposed to be kids at heart anyway? It's like once you're an adult you aren't allowed to get excited anymore. How boring. I'll continue to be defiantly lighthearted till the bitter end.

Theres a difference between lighthearted and plain old childish, Captain Pizza in the Morning

Funny how you should say this though, I just wrote something about that in a school essay.

Its okay to be lighthearted, but using ninja as an adjective to every other word just indicates a youthful over-adherence to a favored thing (in this case ninjas). It just looks stupid, though I agree with you at heart.



Hmmm, perhaps the best way to say it is, have some tact and respect etiquette. Don't go on ninja sprees around others, as an adult I guess we're expected to maintain a certain level of mundanity to keep the special things special. I dunno. Back on topic :evilgrin:

IncrediSteve
17-08-2006, 06:47
Captain Pizza in the Morning

Ah, so you too understand the true horror of the Pizza Bagel Bites?

I've never actually eaten them [and quite frankly am terrified to do so], but that blasted commercial always got stuck in my head.

Oh, back ON topic you say?

Really what I tried to say about eldar is that they have so much flavor. Honor and dedication to an aspect much like the Japanese, ancient mystique like elves [which I actually don't like elves at all, rather strange that I like Eldar so much], potent psykers, sleek organic design. What's not to like?

Hellebore
17-08-2006, 06:54
From orbital to hellebore to foehammer to ravenous the Toroto goth... I know you Eldar fanboys are out there! So speak up!

Well, since I've been mentioned by name, I suppose I'll HAVE to tell;)

Way back in the days of yore (approximately 1993) I had collected both Hero Quest and Space Crusade. These I found immensely entertaining, until that is, I discovered they were made by a company called Games Workshop, a company who, amongst other things, made MORE of the miniatures seen in the aforementioned games.

I was hooked.

My first army (and first love) was the Space Wolves. Being a big fan of medieval warfare and liking axes, ALOT, (and being a fanboy for wolves) I wanted an army.

At the same time I got the Space Wolf codex for my Birthday, I also got the Eldar one.

It was the beautiful detail and well thought out background that caught my attention (Ironically I'm not a fan of elves at all, but LOVE dwarfs).

I found the concept of psychic engineering fascinating, as did I the concept of the Aspect; an almost martial arts form of specialisation.
The way in which an eldar focuses their mind on a single thing to the exclusion of all else, the rigid control they keep their emotions under lest Slannesh consume them.

The Fall was a classic example of the mighty collapsing under their own arrogance, but it was also very poignant and moving, the few far-see'ers who could see what was coming attempting frantically to save their race from extinction.

The horrific consequences of the Fall, and the way the Eldar attempt to cling to their ancient ways all added to create a truely interesting race.

The concepts of soulbinding to create Wraithconstructs and the idea that the eldar needed to hide their souls from the warp to prevent She Who Thirsts from consuming them.

Despite what some say, the Eldar HAVE had more revealed about them, without contradicting much of the previous background. In 3rd ed I liked how they introduced the terms "She who Thirsts" and "Mon'Keigh" (I know, I know, it is a VERY bad joke - but I find it appropriate to the eldar mentality), and expanded more on the ways each Craftworld was governed.

Ideas like the Spear of Khaine, the Court of the Young King added alot of flavour to each of them.

I suppose though, the biggest reason for me liking the eldar (and not the elves) has to do with experience. The eldar are a technologically advanced race that have existed for 60 million years, they know (or did know) almost everything there WAS to know, and they had a quantifiably better grasp of the way the universe worked than anyone else. The elves of Warhammer appear superior, but they don't have that tangible sense of great age the Eldar do. That and the fact they still possess the same basic technological level to the other races around them shows that they just aren't that DIFFERENT.

The Eldar possess many unique and diverse concepts that are unusable by any other race - the possess the ability to do things in ways no one else can, and they have the knowledge of what can happen should you become complacent in your ways.

Of all the races produced by 40k I have found the eldar to be the most original in terms of concept, design and background.

They may LOOK like elves and have the same Gods, but that is where the similarities end.

The eldar are a truely alien race with a large gap seperating them from all others in all ways.

Hellebore

Griffin
17-08-2006, 07:43
I only recently started playing warhammer and the Armies that appeal to me most background wise are Chaos Space marines, and Eldar.

The fall was something incredible for me to read about, and the pure fact that they had to go as far as as soul grafting for survival.

Iyanden were the one's that captured me - the sadness in their craftworld is almost tangible.

Not space elves, but a great tragidy.

jimbobodoll
17-08-2006, 11:52
We already had a "Who loves Eldar?" weeks ago when everyone went all nuts because of these threads.

Is it a coincidence that this whining appeared in a "why do you love Eldar thread?"..... *snigger* :evilgrin: :angel:

Edit: Mr Hellebore, you sir are a fluff nut and respect to you for it!

Da Reddaneks
17-08-2006, 13:37
The original who loves panzeez was a great thread. i followed it and enjoyed it very much. With Who loves orks being moved (which will result in its demise most likely) i hope you guys have a nice 4 month on page 1 run like we orks did. good luck.

Hellebore
17-08-2006, 15:21
Is it a coincidence that this whining appeared in a "why do you love Eldar thread?"..... *snigger* :evilgrin: :angel:

Edit: Mr Hellebore, you sir are a fluff nut and respect to you for it!

Well, I suppoooose you could say that:angel:

I think that is the most amusing form of address I have ever received - I don't even get called Mister with my actual name:D

Hellebore

Sildani
17-08-2006, 16:41
I fell in love with the Falcon. Here was this winged vehicle, with a canopy, two huge air intakes, vectored-thrust exhausts, a decently streamlined shape... and a turret with a couple guns on it. A little later, I learn it's a tank, fer crying out loud, an anti-gravity flying tank. AND, it carries troops, like the Russian Hind attack helicopter I admired.

So, someone took the idea of a box with a smaller box on top, then thought of a jet fighter, then somehow blended the two together into something that looks fast, lethal, and functional. With all its compound curves, arcs, and whatnot, it looks like it's carved first, into the basic hull shape, and then holes are cut into it for a cockpit, air intakes, spirit stones, whatever.

I figured any race that modifed a jet into a tank couldn't be all bad. I was right, but I was enthralled further for all the reasons Hellebore eloquently and exhaustively listed.

The Falcon encapsulates the ethos of the Eldar race. It's proof of Jes Goodwin's genius as a sculptor, and as the driving force of Eldar design. The Forge World Scorpion II is the Falcon taken to 11, and is also a Jes Goodwin design.

Kamin_Majere
17-08-2006, 17:39
The models brought me into the eldar. I like almsot all others was duped into buying a marine army. And it was fun, and easy to model, and boring. And then i started looking around and descovered the eldar model range. Amazing figures and not covered in armor as much as a form of art. They were stunning, so i scooped up a few and fell even more in love. Now 10 years and 70K later i still love the eldar and havent really looked back (with the mild forey into sisters of battle)

What keeps me, their arrogance. They are the perfect beings and they know it. They cause the universe to service them and when it cannot they take action agasint it (or force someone else to do it for them)

The fluff has stories that range from the tearful, to the pathetic, to the depth or rage that can only be described as eldar. The fall of Iyanden is on of the saddest stories in 40K it brings images of hoplessness, yet through it all you knew they were doing what they did to stop something that would have destroied more than them. They made a sacrifice knowing they would win but be put to the brink of destruction for doing it.

Then on the other spectrum, you have how manuplitive they can be. When eldrad basically gave gaskull the title of warboss so he would ravage armegeddon instead of the plans that the warboss before gaskull had to try and wipe out a few exodite worlds.

THey are simply an amazing race. And it make me happy... in a completely gamer related way... i promise:p

Rip
17-08-2006, 18:50
Their spirituality and their technology.

The new models don't hurt either.

Also, because everyone else plays Marines.

Including me.

jimbobodoll
17-08-2006, 19:52
Im surprised and impressed at the amount of love that's been shown on this thread for the background of the Eldar that seems to keep long term collectors and gamers playing. painting and modelling with the Eldar. Perhaps those who collect them for other reasons (ability to make uber armies, small elite armies) haven't spoken up. I'll admit since my best mate told me he had a deathwing army of 13 models totalling 1000 points i had to beat him at his own game and a small elite mechanised Biel-Tan army did it for me.
Learning to use Eldar effectively whilst your opponent feels your list is fair as you give his army a kicking really is most enjoyable... The army has its frailties but when opponents arent good enough to take advantage of it... You can kick your opponent's and their army's ass with beautiful models (In total agreeance with Sildani on the Falcon). ;)

luchog
17-08-2006, 23:31
Because, unlike Space Marines, Eldar are openly gay.

Master Jeridian
18-08-2006, 01:40
I like how they are facets of human nature.

The Orks represent humanity at it's most primitive. The mob/pack mentality. To hunt and kill, think only of the present or very immediate future.

The Eldar represent humanity at it's most decadent and selfish (at the time of the Fall anyway). As tech and culture advanced, they became more self-absorbed, more selfish, more deadened to sensation. Eventually they reach such heights of these qualities that their society collapses.

A parellel is the Fall of the Roman Empire, but I think it holds true for Western society. It grows more selfish and sensation obssessed by the year.

Hellebore
18-08-2006, 03:52
I figured any race that modifed a jet into a tank couldn't be all bad. I was right, but I was enthralled further for all the reasons Hellebore eloquently and exhaustively listed.

The Falcon encapsulates the ethos of the Eldar race. It's proof of Jes Goodwin's genius as a sculptor, and as the driving force of Eldar design. The Forge World Scorpion II is the Falcon taken to 11, and is also a Jes Goodwin design.

Aww gee:o

I totally agree with you on the vehicular front. The DESIGN alone for the eldar vehicles is just stunning (and when you read in the Imperial Armour books that they can travel through high atmosphere at speeds of 650 kph - an Emperor cursed TANK!!! - it just makes it cooler).

When the Scorpion MkII came out I almost wet myself (I was drinking a soothing beverage you see, and the image almost made me drop my cup.....honest:angel: ).

It WAS an 11 (Sildani coulnd't have put in any other way).

It was god damned perfect (and had massive shooty killy death stuck on top). I had to buy one (and a Revenant, had to get one of those).

I (hopefully) will soon be getting a Vampire Hunter, because it is fricking huge!!:eek:

Ahem, so as I said, the eldar design asthetic, coupled with the intricate and poignant history of the race as a whole, creates a moving tapestry of a beautiful, sophisticated, enlightened and advanced but OH SO fallible race.

(I though my eloquence was dropping a bit there where I started.. erm.. getting *excited* about eldar vehicles - I hope the last sentence makes up for it:cool: ).

Hellebore

Sildani
18-08-2006, 14:35
S'okay. The eloquence is still there, don't doubt it.

I have a Scorpion II, and want a Vampire Hunter (magnetize the pulsars so I can also have a Raider), so it's really nice to know I'm not alone in that resin-insanity.

chosen_of_khaine
18-08-2006, 17:07
i just like the idea of a once proud race now fighting for survival and the myth/ legend of a final battle with chaos, that and the models are cool :D

luchog
18-08-2006, 19:14
I totally agree with you on the vehicular front. The DESIGN alone for the eldar vehicles is just stunning (and when you read in the Imperial Armour books that they can travel through high atmosphere at speeds of 650 kph - an Emperor cursed TANK!!! - it just makes it cooler).
The design is what first drew me to Eldar. Specifically, the Vyper. I liked the other designs, especially the tanks and some of the models; but the Vyper really grabbed me.

The fluff definitely kept me with it. There's so much about the entire concept and development of the Eldar that appeals to me. I guess I'm just a sucker for the whole "decline and fall", angsty Ragnarock thing *handstapleforehead*.


When the Scorpion MkII came out I almost wet myself (I was drinking a soothing beverage you see, and the image almost made me drop my cup.....honest:angel: ).

As much as I like the Scorpion II (and I do like it, in ways probably best not described), the FW stuff that really gets me in the nether regions are the Revenant titans. Wow. And the flyers. OMFGINEEDMOREMONEY!!! Hrm... maybe a couple months on the street-corner would do it....

Ozendorph
18-08-2006, 22:32
Initially it was the Aspect Warrior concepts in WD that grabbed my attention. Those were some slick sketches. When the army became more fleshed out with the release of the updated RT army list I was sold.

I love the Eldar mindset. A proud race toppled long ago from their place of dominance, now scrapping merely to exist amongst a galaxy full of foolish upstarts and semi-evolved cavemen.

I love that the Eldar can acheive artistry in any endeavor. They long ago acheived a level of technology that allows form to coexist (if not augment) function. The symbolism found in their style of warfare is striking and extremely cool.

Punk_in_Drublic
18-08-2006, 23:23
coming in here to spam a thread to the wastes, I must say I'm not overly surprised, though pleased since it seems like my work has already been done for me.

The openly gay comment was a highlight. :D

Later,

-Punk

Venkh
19-08-2006, 00:28
When i heard that the RT book was coming out i hoped against hope that the Dark Elves would get an architype. I was not at all dissapointed to see then, that the RT lists were pirates and mercenaries who wore dark armour and carried things that looked like crossbows. Excellent i thought, the High elves got dropped!

Then WD127 came out, and it was so good that i literally diddnt stop staring at it for about 4 hours. I remember feeling so priveliged that my 40k race had been given such amazing background, art and models. I was awash with studiolurve! The lurve you get when you know your army is the current favourite (something that my Dark Elves have never had- cmon guys give em some lurrrve!)

Warp Zero
19-08-2006, 10:01
I've always liked the fluff around the Eldar since the old Rogue Trader days. I even like the old drawings and miniatures from back then. Oh...for sure they are extremely outdated...but there's a sense of nostalgia still.

When 3rd Edition came rolling around, I was originally going to pick up a Tyranid army, but another friend of mine in our gaming circle had already picked the Tyranid. I didn't want two Tyranid armies in the club so....I decided on Eldar. Always wanted to actually have an Eldar army rather than just reading about them and looking at the pictures.

Years later....its been a hard hard road for me. We all know the woes from Eldar players: 2nd edtion models like the Wraithlord still not replaces, no Wave Serpent for a LONG time, Avatar 5+ save, so on and so on.

Through it all I endured. Sure, my Eldar took a massive spanking most times, but I kept getting off the canvas and continued to swing. Eventually, I got my army to a point where I can at least offer 50/50 odds against my opponents.

I was proud to play Eldar. They look fantastic, have great fluff (what little there is in these last two editions), and have a sense of challenging game play. It felt good to win a game with them because to do so took TREMENDOUS effort.

So that's why I loved the Eldar.

....unfortunately, my love for them is starting to die off. It is slowly being replaced by hate. Ever since the Tau came out, I hate playing the Eldar more and more. The Tau simply just spank the Eldar without breaking a sweat over and over. Initially, its about learning the other guy's weaknesses and exploiting them. Yes, this is true....but after fighting the Tau for about two years now.....I still get spanked. The Eldar are just too underpowered against the Tau.....

If this new Codex coming out doesn't fix the state of things......I'm pretty sure I'll never play my Eldar again. Sadly....

Hellebore
19-08-2006, 11:21
S'okay. The eloquence is still there, don't doubt it.

I have a Scorpion II, and want a Vampire Hunter (magnetize the pulsars so I can also have a Raider), so it's really nice to know I'm not alone in that resin-insanity.

Resinsanity agogo!!

I am seriously contemplating buying another Revenant, because those things are just sickeningly beautiful (they cause more excitment in me than the Scorpion:eek: ).

As a surprise present for our boss last year, the guys and I at work pooled our resources and bought her the FW Keeper of Secrets.

After getting it for her, I thought DAMN if it wouldn't be the coolest thing ever to have one of those POSSESSING a revenant:skull:

All fleshy and supple, with the fleshy parts blending into smooth wraithbone.......sigh

Yes, FW, a great place. I've still got half a dozen IG tank conversion kits sitting in a box I bought about 4 years ago that I have yet to put together.

Hellebore

adreal
19-08-2006, 12:47
ok all you ledar lovers I need your help, I have recently bought a wave wserpant as they wount be changing in the new dex, and will be giving it twin-linked scatter lasers, as it will be carrying banshees I felt that to be the best buy for it, now what can I give it for the under carrige guns?

I'm thinking the twin linked shuricats but what about that other think, the long gunny looking thing next to it?

Hellebore
19-08-2006, 13:06
ok all you ledar lovers I need your help, I have recently bought a wave wserpant as they wount be changing in the new dex, and will be giving it twin-linked scatter lasers, as it will be carrying banshees I felt that to be the best buy for it, now what can I give it for the under carrige guns?

I'm thinking the twin linked shuricats but what about that other think, the long gunny looking thing next to it?

That would be the shuriken cannon. If you want to spend the points upgrading it to have a shuriken cannon, go for it. If not, then stick with the catapults.

You should probably put this in its own thread, as this is mainly concerned with the reasons you LIKE the eldar, not what weapons to put on their tanks:p

Hellebore

downundercadet07
19-08-2006, 14:08
Eldar have the sexiest aircraft, and the most beautiful women. More importantly, in nearly every case, an individual is in command of his own fate in their society, much more so than in any other race in the game. Ultimately though it comes down to projection, in a game based on projection. If I could be anyone in the entire 40k galaxy, it would be an eldar pathfinder. (If I got my own ship!)

Oh-- and it is hard to beat this sort of writing:
Lost in the vastness of space the Craftworlds float in utter isolation like scattered jewels upon a pall of
velvet. No starlight illuminates their sleek towers. Distant from the warmth of sun or planet, their domes
stare into the darkness of empty space. Inner lights glisten like phosphorus through semi-transparent surfaces. Within live the few survivors of planets abandoned aeons ago amidst terrifying destruction. These are the Eldar, a race that is all but extinct, the last remnants of a people whose mere dreams once overturned worlds and quenched suns.

cybertron2000uk
19-08-2006, 15:05
how can you not like the models and fluff? I dont play em, just collect..
tho having them called pansies by other gamers is just not amusing..
in fact I find it offensive and sad...but I really dont care...they are all very well designed models that look fantastic compared to anything that GW has ever done Still!

Indiana van Salsing
19-08-2006, 22:54
The first thing that drew me into eldar... if i remember correctly, was the elegant models (especially the vehicles) and the almost necessity for combined arms to fight effectively appealled to my style of play. As I collected I started to read the background and thats what meant I stopped liking the models and tactics and started to love the race as a whole.