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The Song of Spears
17-08-2006, 20:49
My girlfriend is bugging me more and more to buy a WHFB army, she seems to want Lizardmen.

I play 40k heavily, so can anyone tell me why i would want/not want to start a WHRB army?

And maybe what the crux of the Lizardmen playstyle is?


(If its at all applicable i play Tyranids in 40k for reference to the army style (small swarm) that i play)

TheWarSmith
17-08-2006, 21:03
Dude, people are gonna agree with me on this, I know it. You have a girlfriend that wants to game with you. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT!!!!!

DEAR GOD if my girlfriend wanted to play I'd be so happy. I'd even let her win a couple times.

I suggest you pick up an army. It's really a fantastic game. I converted 5 years ago and haven't gone back to 40k since.

Is the army she wants you to purchase for HER or for YOU?

Lizzies have 2 basic troop types(skinks and saurus).

Skinks are skirmishers(most units have to block up in fantasy), have poison weapons(6 to hit auto wounds), are really fast, but are T2 so go down QUICK.

Saurus are tough beefy combat monsters, very much a juxtaposition of skinks. They're slower, tougher, stronger, more armored. Lizzie armies have great magic, shooting, and combat.

der_lex
17-08-2006, 21:13
Gaming with your girlfriend can be more hazardous than you think.
In my case, she and I are both rather competitive, and occasionally our games (no WH, but she does play boardgames and Magic with me) turn into an actual warzone :D .

Having your girlfriend in your RPG group is tons of fun, though.

Lizzies are a nice, all-rounder army that you can play in a lot of different ways. They're strong, but not cheap unless you play an all-skink force. A good beginner army, I'd say.

The Song of Spears
17-08-2006, 21:16
Oh i plan to try and get her into it. But right now all she knows is 0k through me. So when i ask "why should i ike this" its more for a idea as to wheter i should consider getting her a WHFB army at all.

And in the end i will prolly have to get my own army so she has someone to play against if there are no hobby shops open at the time.

Are the rules for shooting, close combat and such similar to 40k?

Also. I understand 7th ed WHFB is coming/out. So will there be a 7th ed Lizardman Army codex update soon?

DeathMasterSnikch
17-08-2006, 21:34
My girlfriend is bugging me more and more to buy a WHFB army, she seems to want Lizardmen.

I play 40k heavily, so can anyone tell me why i would want/not want to start a WHRB army?

And maybe what the crux of the Lizardmen playstyle is?


(If its at all applicable i play Tyranids in 40k for reference to the army style (small swarm) that i play)

My god...It's like magic:eek:

Edit: The new lizardmen army book won't be out for a long, long, long time.

Yeh, lizardmen are ok but I found them boring. Not enough troop types, I do recomend them though as what they do have is good.

der_lex
17-08-2006, 21:35
In Fantasy, we call then 'army books', not codexes. We're anal that way. And I'm afraid that Lizardmen won't be seeing an update any time soon. But as I said, it's a very balanced army and it doesn't really need an immediate update.

I don't play 40k, so I have no idea if the rules are similar. The only differences I know of is that Fantasy is a bit more complex and that movement and psychology play much more important roles in battle (The Lizzies have a big edge on the latter, since they roll an extra die on psych tests and chuck the highest result).

I'm sure others will be able to give you more insight on this, though. I just came in to make the snarky army book comment :p

The Song of Spears
17-08-2006, 21:47
What does everyone think of the new 7th edition? Are people afraid to adopt it? Does it change much in the gameplay?

der_lex
17-08-2006, 21:52
What does everyone think of the new 7th edition? Are people afraid to adopt it? Does it change much in the gameplay?

There are big threads on this in the news section, so you'd best check those out. In general, though, there are no really drastic changes but there are some major and minor tweaks to gameplay. It's Warhammer 6.5 more than 7.0. As with every kind of change, opinions are mixed, but most people will either switch or play both versions, I guess.

My compliments on your avatar, by the way. All hail the mighty Tallest!

Zink
17-08-2006, 21:59
Warhammer and 40k are still similar enough I don't think you'd have much trouble picking one up if you know the other. Lizardmen are a decent army.

@TheWarsmith, watch out about letting your girl win. My wife still hasn't tried warhammer although she paints minis, but at certain board games she kicks my ass if I'm not very careful. I'm used to playing in a fun group that is easily distracted and not out to kill. She doesn't understand the games totally so she focuses on the quick, direct victory. We'll be piddling around enjoying ourselves and realize that the missus is set up to slaughter us. It's fun but sometimes it's a no win situation. I win, she's mad because I beat her, she wins and she either rubs my nose in it for weeks or gets mad because she thinks I let her win. But I do enjoy having someone with me all the time that appreciates my hobbies. Can't wait for the kids to get a little older so we can have the family tourney going.

gorenut
17-08-2006, 22:02
I am an ex 40k player and since converting to Fantasy Battle, I have never looked back. If you ever played 40k under 2nd ed rules, it's closer to that except much more streamlined and solid + easier to understand. So my transition to Fantasy was really easy since I was bred through 2nd ed 40k. You will find Fantasy to have more varied armies and tactics will win you more than just army list.

Lizardmen are a very solid list. They can do everything. They have outstanding leadership. The reason why they don't have as many model variations as some other armies is because almost every troop type they have has a specialist role and is quite good at it. I think its a great list. They also function well at any point level (in case you're starting small). I say go for it man.

Good luck to you and your girlfriend-Warhammer thing, haha. My girlfriend wants to learn Warhammer, but I think she only wants to due to it being one of my hobbies and not because she's actually interested in the game. So in my situation, I think its more trouble than it's worth.

TheWarSmith
18-08-2006, 00:12
Rules wise the games both function on the same core engine, but splinter significantly off of that.

The core differences are that magic is a whole different phase, not incorporated into other phases like it is in 40k, and it works entirely differently. Just know that it's a MUCH bigger part of the game.

Shooting isn't NEARLY as reliable as it is in 40k(for obvious reasons). There aren't plethoras of troops with huge guns that kill. Also, unlike the "3+ bolter of doom", warhammer imposes severe penalties on shooting in certain situations(-1 if you moved, -1 for over half range of the weapon, -1 to shoot skirmishers, -1 to shoot multiple shots if your weapon can, -1(-2) to shoot into soft cover(or hard cover)).

Combat is wholely different. Instead of combat simply being wound counting, THEN altering your break test, such things as standards, ranks, numbers, flanking, rear charges, etc. are bonuses for combat resolution to determine winners.

In all, the game is a LOT deeper, and every game is a different game unlike 40k.

One paramount thing I like is that rarely are there "one shot kill" situations where you shoot once at a unit and it's gone(i.e. lascannon vs. tank). It's more about attrition.

TheWarSmith
18-08-2006, 00:30
If you can afford it, I'd advise the lizardman batallion.

$140 worth of minis for $90 retail, and you'll probably use every model in the box.

But since 7th isn't quite out yet, it's not worth buying the 6th ed rulebook yet, so I'd advise http://store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us?do=List_Models&code=305702&orignav=304471&ParentID=1254351&GameNav=13 for you. You'll get BFSP so if you plan to play dwarves or Orcs&Goblins(army book out soon), you'll have models to start them, as well as rules for 7th ed.

The Song of Spears
18-08-2006, 00:30
Thanks for the advice on all fronts guys. I think we will get a lizard man army, a small one at first, i started with 500 points (for 40k, i have no idea what that translates to in WFB) but it really helped me learn to play without getting bogged down in too many rules and hours of play as a beginner.

so what should i get for a small lizard man army, any pointers on the race?

ironhorn
18-08-2006, 11:24
500points is fine, you could play border patrol battles (the fantasy version of the 400p. 40k battles)

Milgram
18-08-2006, 12:00
DEAR GOD if my girlfriend wanted to play I'd be so happy. I'd even let her win a couple times.

if my girlfriend wanted to play I'd be still together with her. I mean, there is no thing as problematic in a relationship as wargaming. 'I'm sorry, this sunday is a gamers event, it's not my fault that the sun shines!' 'hey babe, I'm off for this friday evening. don't wait for me, I'll be late.'

or even better: close friend of mine was not able to tell her the truth. in the end it sounded somehow stupid: 'no, really, I'm playing with toy soldiers every saturday, there is no other woman!'



Having your girlfriend in your RPG group is tons of fun, though.

well... the one I played in a RPG group was fun, the one another guy introduced to our RPG group was not. so it depends if she only loves you and does it or if she's effectively an erotic man (you know... more childish in her mind and so on ;)).

btw: I almost can't hold myself of bringing some bad jokes about girlfriends and roleplay...

The Song of Spears
18-08-2006, 15:02
Thats rough Milgram, real sucky.

You know, i know for sure she love painting and modeling the minis, as far as playing she has tried it a few times and seems to really like it. But as in most things she does, she gets kinda antsy and wants to just kill things. If anything will stop her from playing it wil be that sometimes she might actually have to stop for a moment and think about what she needs to do strategy wise.

The big box set that hsa lizard men and orc or whatnot in it looks cool, but if there is any army i would collect it will be Dark Elves, the minis are by far the best in WHFB that i have seen.

ANd i do like the idea of WHFB being more in depth. Its just that where i lived, no one played. I was beginning to wonder if anyone played WHFB anymore.

DeathMasterSnikch
18-08-2006, 15:10
Don't listen to Milgram he's crazy :p

If she likes the game then get an army going. 500-1k points is the usual start point and the lizardmen battalion will put in a lot of the troops for a fraction of the price.

The Song of Spears
18-08-2006, 15:18
Are lizardmen a swarm army?

citizenkade
18-08-2006, 15:19
My wife won't play anything but Mordheim, but she loves to paint figs. They army she got started on was Lizzies, and she likes Ogres and Wood Elves quite a bit. The gaming household is pretty cool... Nights off hanging out and painting, the occassional game, it's pretty spiff! Have fun, man! The couple that games together stays together!

The Song of Spears
18-08-2006, 15:32
Nights off hanging out and painting, the occassional game, it's pretty spiff! Have fun, man! The couple that games together stays together!


This sounds like the gospel truth! I hopeit works out the same for me.

Oh and as far as roleplaying with girlfriends, she is a ton of fun, but we just moved, so there are no others we know yet who game. We have been trying a one on one rpg but its kinda hard to keep the game liveley when you only have one person to feed energy off of.

TheWarSmith
18-08-2006, 15:47
lizardmen CAN be a swarm army, but that would mean all skinks, which is honestly pretty lame.

It's a pretty average sized army(maybe 80 models in 2000 point games?)

Swarm armies go way above 100, often around 150, where "small elite" like chaos mortal armies hit around 50.

Honestly, if you both wanna try it out, I'd buy Battle for Skull Pass, which comes with starters for dwarves and orcs&goblins and go from there. You'll both get a good feel for the game, then you can better figure out which armies might be better for ya.

I've never worked in a gamestore my life, but for some reason, I always find myself doing more GW selling than the store employees when i'm there.

The Song of Spears
18-08-2006, 16:09
Yeah well, GW actually does a good job of getting beginners started. Unfortuantely its the verterans they forget about :(

I will have to look into the Skull pass box some more...

speedygogo
18-08-2006, 16:25
A girl who wants to play wahammer? She's a keeper! Stop whatever you are doing and listen to me. Marry her. Do it now! Do it right away! It is almost impossible to find a girl who tolerates warhammer let alone likes it.

The Song of Spears
18-08-2006, 16:32
A girl who wants to play wahammer? She's a keeper! Stop whatever you are doing and listen to me. Marry her. Do it now! Do it right away! It is almost impossible to find a girl who tolerates warhammer let alone likes it.


Hahaha, ok ok. I WILL!

--->> Runs off to propose to potential wargaming wife...

Aekold Hellbrass
18-08-2006, 18:59
If you want to play a swarm army your best bet is probably either skaven(which isnt really a good beginner army) or orcs and goblins(which is a good beginner army and who are also coming out with a new army book and minis in the next month or so). Also, they're more of a "go get 'em" type army, you dont really need to think about tactics as much as other armies, but whenever i play against them its always a fun game. Id take a look at the battle for skull pass starter box if your interested in them.

I honestly dont like the look of the lizardmen models, but if your gf likes them, go for it, as they're a well balanced army.

The Song of Spears
18-08-2006, 19:06
Naw, i dont think she is wanting a swarm army, average size is best (at least that's what she tells me ;P )

And if she decided to actually pck up a army and play, i am 99% sure it will be lizardmen as she for some odd reason loves the minis. I think it's becasue they all look draconic.

CarlostheCraven
18-08-2006, 20:36
Aahh, the wargaming girlfriend. I have one of those. Sort of. We can wargame, just not against each other. Ever.

We are just too competitive and she does not handle advice and trash talking well at all. The last time we played in a mega-battle (about a year and a half ago) the trash talk was rampant and she was very upset before we had finished deployment. On the other hand, since then we have played together in two doubles tournaments and finished with best general in Fantasy (Lizardmen and Tomb Kings) and best overall in 40K (witchhunters and daemonhunters). Once we geared our competitive juices in a positive fashion we had a great time. The key question was "Hon, what do you want to do today - just have fun or try to win it all?" Answer "Win" (imagine gleam in girlfriend's eye at the prospect of crushing all the male ****** at the local tourney).

As regards lizardmen - I bought, assembled and primed (these are all things you should expect to have to do at first. Eventually she may buy the stuff herself) a Carnosaur for her, and, well, 6000 points later, she still loves painting them.

Cheers

The Song of Spears
18-08-2006, 21:06
Ok, CarlostheCraven, i think you may be getting a whee bit overboard at 6000 points, might be time for a new army ;)

as far as assembleing them, she had helped me assemble my 150+ tyrnaid gaunts, prime them and paint them. As those are the parts she loves most.

its funny you mention you wont play eachother, i know another gaming couple who cant play anyone but eachother as the boyfriend will always know how to handle the girl, but other guys there wont.

and whats with girls and lizards????





EDIT:
I have been reading through the 6th ed WHFB rules, and thus far i think they rock. I so agree (thus far) they kept all the good points of 40k 2nd ed and edited out all the crap. I cant wait to play.

If i were'nt getting the new 40keldar i might go out and get myself a dark elf army now...