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hellfire
22-08-2006, 16:11
I heard that 40k is set in the 999th year of the 41st millenium and that 40k is chronological. are either of these true if both are won't fifth edition be warhammer 41,000
just doesn't have a ring to it some how

Simsandwich
22-08-2006, 16:15
No, 40K is never ending.
It may move forward but the name will stay the same.
But most battles you fight have already happened.

LordXaras
22-08-2006, 16:22
The idea that the game would have to change its name just because the fluff is moving on is one that annoys me greatly. Give me one good reason, besides the fact that the year moves one tick.

MrInsomniac
22-08-2006, 16:30
I can't see GW ever moving the game beyond 999.M41. The 13th Black Crusade seems to be the last major event that's going to happen chronologically which is a shame because there is lots to be discussed with the current state of Cadia and Abbadons hold on the surrounding area. Everything that we're playing now has already happened, but I'd love to see some big, major things in the not too distant future of millenium 41,000.

schoon
22-08-2006, 16:31
Many fans used to recon that the "official" W40K date was simply 39,000 years in advance of our own (ergo: 2006 is 006.M42), but given GW's recent preference for jumping about within M41 that's less certain now.

For a decent "lesson" on W40K dates, check here (http://www.scholaprogenium.com/calendar.html)

Shibboleth
22-08-2006, 16:32
20th Century Fox hasn't changed it's name, even though we've moved into the 21st Century.
So I think it would be OK to go 42nd millenium, but still keep the name 40K.

(Although there is a 30th Century Fox out there too. ;))

Xisor
22-08-2006, 16:36
Check out the stuff published in Fanatic Online Magazine for Inquisitor in the Medusa V campaign, one of the time stamps, IIRC, directly stated 006.M42, which is pretty cool IMO. It means for any *great big* advances, we have to wait a couple of decades...at least!

Eideu
22-08-2006, 17:44
does the mudsa 5 thing take place after the 13th black crusade?

Minister
22-08-2006, 18:17
I recall reading of the meetings at the 2000 AD offices in 1999. They too came to the decision that changing the name would just be silly.

Hideous Loon
22-08-2006, 19:41
Eideu: No, Medusa V takes place in the beforetime. Dunno quite what year though.

Helicon_One
22-08-2006, 20:03
I think "Warhammer 41,000" has a nice ring to it, personally.

Besides, going by the timeline, we're already playing "Warhammer 40,999" and not "Warhammer 40,000".

Tim

Eisen
23-08-2006, 00:36
One more thing we've apparently learned... in the grim darkness of the Far Future, the calendar needs revision.

Giladis
23-08-2006, 07:12
Eideu: No, Medusa V takes place in the beforetime. Dunno quite what year though.

No it is after. Check that little booklet that was given with a WD there you will see that the Chaos leader is know to the Imperials from among other stuff by his exploits in the 13th Black Crusade. It is happening after the BC but not necesarily historicaly after due to the strange way messages and travel is done in the warp.

NashTrickster
23-08-2006, 10:59
I'd like to see that "M42" reference... But I've looked and searched all the PDFs from the recent Fanatic Online issues and failed to find it...

Anyway, even if they don't want to push the timeline into the 42nd century, GW could still describe what happens in the year 41,000, for there was no year 0... Thus, just like the year 2000 was the last year of the 20th century and not the first of the 21st, the year 41,000 is the last of the 41st. ;)

Sai-Lauren
23-08-2006, 12:03
One more thing we've apparently learned... in the grim darkness of the Far Future, the calendar needs revision.
LOL :D

Don't worry, the administratum were aware of that, and have been looking into it.
They anticipate it being through preliminary commitee meetings within the next couple of millenia - ready for in depth and detailed discussion by the main Imperial Date Standards Commitee - so long as nothing more important comes up in the mean time.;)

Medusa V, there's also all the references to the Tau expansion and so on.

The Judge
23-08-2006, 12:46
I have set campaigns I've run during M42. Nothing beyond 005, mind.

The Ciaphas Cain novels are written by the Commissar, from after the new millennium.

Sai-Lauren
24-08-2006, 08:36
I have set campaigns I've run during M42. Nothing beyond 005, mind.

The Ciaphas Cain novels are written by the Commissar, from after the new millennium.

Not quite, they're parts of his memoirs, written after he retired, with additional commentary by the Inquisitor from the first novel (forgotten her name).

They're published in M42, but the action could have occurred in M41.

The Judge
24-08-2006, 14:25
Oh, yeah I meant the action occurred in M41, but they're published (probably written as well) in the early years of M42.

biggreengribbly
24-08-2006, 15:04
Really with the introduction of the Tau they've shot themselves in the foot if they never want to move the timeline forward. Because Tau making new tech is ineveitable right, but that takes time. In every new Tau codex we can assume they will want to give Tau new goodies as they did the last time they got a re-hash. So unless they keep fudging dates, and the Tau as a species keep getting Older and older, their appearance being fudged further and further back to allow this "latest development at the dawn of a new millenia" one day they are going to have to publish some material for later time periods.

BaronDG
24-08-2006, 17:09
The fourties didn't end with 41, you know. They can move to M49.999 without having to change the name.

hellfire
24-08-2006, 17:15
HuH mo they can't once you get to m.42 its warhammer 41,000 much less m.49

of course they can do that and not change the name but they could also charge us $50 for little chunks of plastic... oh right they already do that

Malphax
24-08-2006, 18:26
Right, but how often do you hear people say "185th decade" as opposed to just "18th century?"

hellfire
24-08-2006, 20:25
41 milleniums is diffrent from 185 decades besides most people say 1850

Indrid Khold
24-08-2006, 22:13
It actually won't much matter for another year, because year 41000 is still part of M41. It isn't until 41001 that the millenium actually changes to M42.

BaronDG
24-08-2006, 22:31
1941 was as much part of the fourties as 1949. Transfering that to GW timeline means they've got almost 10 000 years to fool around with.

What I would do is to advance the timeline 1000 years for each comming edition.
I don't want them to be "bound" by the worldwide campaigns;it is more important to write a good story. Maybe there are prophesies that has do to with the end of the the world or, if we are lucky, the galaxy becomes the promised land for Humans! And then, the emperor can let himself die...

Gekistan
25-08-2006, 00:44
No it is after. Check that little booklet that was given with a WD there you will see that the Chaos leader is know to the Imperials from among other stuff by his exploits in the 13th Black Crusade. It is happening after the BC but not necesarily historicaly after due to the strange way messages and travel is done in the warp.


To be more specific, the booklet states that no less than 7 assasins (or assasination teams) where dispatched to kill of the chaos leader during the 13th BC. The booklet also states that he exterminated at least two systems on his way to medusa just for 'practice' :wtf: (seems he did that afterwards)

About the warpmessages. The imperium would have to dispatch those assasins at the same time messages ar coming in that the guy they want dead because of his role in 13th is also at medusa at the same time. That's what the argument seems like... Seems a bit to much time tempering to me, GW does do it some times. But never on such a scale IMO.

Medusa is IMO clearly after 999m41.

(btw, I'm not to big on tau fluff, but knowing the positioning of medusa on the map, the tau seem out of place, just to much klicks south. Unless there was an expansion in between the tau fluff and medusa)

hellfire
25-08-2006, 00:50
[QUOTE=BaronDG;895594]1941 was as much part of the fourties as 1949. Transfering that to GW timeline means they've got almost 10 000 years to fool around with.[QUOTE

the 40's refer to 1940-1949 the 1800s refer to 1800-1899
40,000 refers to the year 40,000 it just gets too fiddly to put all the seperate years in
It DOES NOT refer to the 10,000 year period between m41 and m50
your idea of advancing 1,000 years with each edition is cool but maybe 100 years would work better

Psiweapon
25-08-2006, 15:02
[QUOTE=BaronDG;895594]1941 was as much part of the fourties as 1949. Transfering that to GW timeline means they've got almost 10 000 years to fool around with.[QUOTE

the 40's refer to 1940-1949 the 1800s refer to 1800-1899
40,000 refers to the year 40,000 it just gets too fiddly to put all the seperate years in
It DOES NOT refer to the 10,000 year period between m41 and m50
your idea of advancing 1,000 years with each edition is cool but maybe 100 years would work better

There's a thing called scale my friend. In our timescale, measuring from year 0, and having 2.000 years of calendar, it's perfectly manageable to talk about centuries and decades.

But when you get 40.000 frickin' years of calendar, if you start referencing to the 3726th decade you are going to get lost easily, thus changing the main reference point from centuries to periods of 10.000 years.

Although references to the 41st millenium, by definition, span from 40001 to 41000

Elanthanis
25-08-2006, 15:21
Personally, from a fluff perspective I've always felt it dumb they put events at the end of the millenium, I mean, they've got a thousand years to work with, they can't have absolutely filled it up with events can they?

schoon
25-08-2006, 15:43
Well, if the new 40KRP: Dark Heresy is any indication: no. It will apparently be set during the Macharius Rebellion in the early 400s of M41.

...and not to insult anyone's intelligence, but a millennium is defined as a period of 1000 years, ergo the roman numeral M, which also represents 1000.

Millennia work like Centuries: 1900 to 1999 was the 20th century, just as 40000 to 40999 is the 41st millennium.

emperorpenguin
25-08-2006, 16:06
[QUOTE=Shibboleth;889553]20th Century Fox hasn't changed it's name, even though we've moved into the 21st Century.
So I think it would be OK to go 42nd millenium, but still keep the name 40K.[QUOTE]

likewise the TV show Taggart has run for the past what 15 years without said character because he died

NashTrickster
25-08-2006, 16:48
Millennia work like Centuries: 1900 to 1999 was the 20th century, just as 40000 to 40999 is the 41st millennium.Sorry, but that's mathematically wrong... A millenium, as the name suggest spans 1000 years. And since there is no year "0" (the timeline goes directly from 1 BC to 1AD), the first millenium was year 1 to year 1000, the second millenium was 1001 to 2000, etc... Thus the 41st millenium is 40,001 to 41,000... It is after all quite logical that the year which gives its name to the millenium (i.e. 41,000 for the 41st millenium) would belong to the said millenium, no?
(But you're right that they work like centuries though, and therefore the 20th century started in 1901 and ended in 2000...)

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The easy solution would be to rename the game slightly, using the commonly used abbreviation as basis, to "Warhammer 40K's" which, just like the term "40's" covers the whole period from 1940 to 1949, would allow the game to cover the 10,000 years to come in the game timeline ;)

Heru Talon
25-08-2006, 17:51
If I recall my history correctly there was a year 0 right after 1 BC, and right before 1 AD...



Anyways


(btw, I'm not to big on tau fluff, but knowing the positioning of medusa on the map, the tau seem out of place, just to much klicks south. Unless there was an expansion in between the tau fluff and medusa)


Um the system that Medusa V is in, is a completely different system, than the one near the Eye of Terror (which is the Iron Hands Chapter's home system).




The Warp phenomenon known as Van Grothe's Rapidity pulses on the Eastern Fringe of the Imperium

Which just happens to be right next to Tau space. GW really dropped the ball when they named the 2nd Medusa system anyways...

BaronDG
25-08-2006, 18:18
You do not remember correctly then. The romans numbers lack zero.

M41 clearly designates a 1000 year span. I think that "40k" is somewhat more fuzzy to most people...

NashTrickster
26-08-2006, 15:07
If I recall my history correctly there was a year 0 right after 1 BC, and right before 1 AD...No... There is no year zero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero) in the Christian calendar.
Your misconception may come from the fact that there is, by convention a "point 0" on the timeline we use in history, but it doesn't represent a year. Actually, if that point existed it would set in between 11:59:59 PM (and 99/100th of seconds) on December 31st, 1BC and Midnight on January 1st, 1AD... ;)

Gekistan
31-08-2006, 19:17
Personally, from a fluff perspective I've always felt it dumb they put events at the end of the millenium, I mean, they've got a thousand years to work with, they can't have absolutely filled it up with events can they?

Being a history teacher (or in the process of becoming one though already teaching) I had to reply.

Humans do actualy have these strange habits of going nuts at the turn of centuries and even more at the end of millenium. In the middle ages everybody was al of a sudden declaring apocalypse was coming. At least. in parts of it. Between the years 900 and 1000 to be precise. After that it took a hundred years to let everything go quit (we're still here so it didn't happen).

Six years ago everybody was doing the same because of a computer bug... that didn't happen... but people made a lot of fuzz about it. They even claimed all the nukes would launch (apocalypse anyone??).

So maybe it makes a bit of sence. The chaos crusades still have somewhat human parts in it that might comply to this strange 'turnofthecenturie-weregonnadie' urge. Though GW did a poor job explaining why orks had the same urge to go to armagaddon almost at the same time...

Greetzzz


P.s. Heru Talon, I know the medusa from EoT is a different one from the medusa V campaign. I still think the Campaign is far away from tau space (and I dont mean the iron hands home planet, the one near the eot, your reference)

Gen.Steiner
01-09-2006, 13:02
Well, I've set all my current 40K forces in the years 41,990-42,006 and intend to advance the year by one every year. :p

Thus I stand by the offical 40K date being 2006 + 39,000.

Minister
01-09-2006, 13:59
A thought occurs. If I set my armies before contact with the Tau, I don't have to deal with those &^% burst cannon...

Gen.Steiner
01-09-2006, 14:36
Yup! :D

If you like, you could set your armies before contact with Necrons as well (Sanctuary 101 incident being the first major Necron contact).

Minister
01-09-2006, 15:47
I'm going to have to look up Sanctuary 101 and the founding of the Bloody rose and check how big an openiong this gives me...

Prodigalson
01-09-2006, 15:54
Just to take note. Medusa V happens quite a bit after the 13th's crusade. I would say *gasp* several years.

Tau are the reference for this. The Tau had their 3rd Phase Expansion from the time of the 13th crusade to the present. In that time they gained 2 new sept worlds.

Medusa V is the beginning of the 4th Phase of Expansion F.Y.I. Check the first Tau stuff from Medusa V. If 13rd black crusade was the beginning of the 3rd Sphere Expansion and Medusa the beginning of the 4th, I would say that is a grap.

Minister
01-09-2006, 16:04
873.M38 - Skopos Incident
897.M41 - Sanctuary 101

Can't find dates for second contact with the Tau or a specific one for the founding of the Bloody Rose. Anyone have them to hand?

Maltesefalcon
01-09-2006, 16:09
At the end will just be Orks , Nids and Necrons only armies who can keep replishing there numbers

Orks with there spores

Nids with the Birthing Pools

Necrons just simply cause they run on souls witch orks and nids supply nice eco friendly environment.

Gen.Steiner
01-09-2006, 16:23
Don't forget that the Tau got Taros in the 3rd Phase Expansion as well.

Order of the Bloody Rose is, I think, one of the early Orders. The six 'big' orders (Bloody Rose, Martyred Lady et al) were all founded in the immediate aftermath of the Vandire Schism.

Minister
01-09-2006, 16:32
Bloody rose, I think, is phase two, created by Deacis VI two and a half thousand years arfer the initial founding.

Mechanicus
01-09-2006, 17:10
Just to take note. Medusa V happens quite a bit after the 13th's crusade. I would say *gasp* several years.

Tau are the reference for this. The Tau had their 3rd Phase Expansion from the time of the 13th crusade to the present. In that time they gained 2 new sept worlds.

Medusa V is the beginning of the 4th Phase of Expansion F.Y.I. Check the first Tau stuff from Medusa V. If 13rd black crusade was the beginning of the 3rd Sphere Expansion and Medusa the beginning of the 4th, I would say that is a grap.

I don't think so, if you look in White Dwarf 316, on page 61, there is a journal and it has dates in it: 128999.M41 and 129999.M41 whilst the Black Crusade was at the end of 999.M41. This indicates it was before, not after, the 13th Black Crusade.

If by the first Tau stuff, you mean the initial dispatch:

Greetings Commander, in the name of the Greater Good. Your presence here is a symbol of the unity that drives the Tau Empire into the stars and your name shall be remembered by all Tau as he who began the glorious Fourth Expansion.
That can be explained away by the fact that they probably thought that the warp tech wouldn't be ready for the third sphere expansion due to occur at the end of the century, so the quest for warp tech was the unofficial beginning of the fourth sphere expansion, when they were planning to use the warp drives to full effect.

EDIT: Oh, and Necrons don't run on souls, the C'tan run on "Life energy" which is just like electromagnetic energy which all living beings have. But yes, the Necrons can replenish their numbers (Pariahs) and make new necrons (They at least intended to with the Silvae (See Necron Codex, page 50), but the Silvae couldn't stand up to the Imperial Explorators, and were destroyed by them and the C'tan for being weak)

EDIT #2: And the Necrons were found originally by the Inquisition in M36 (See the Thorian Sourcebook (http://www.specialist-games.com/inquisitor/rulebook.asp), page 26, bottom paragraph of the box), the Deciever's been awake since around then, and the Necrons from Gorkamorka around the same time. They evidently kept pretty quiet (or were covered up by the Inquisition) until the Skopios Incident.

Minister
01-09-2006, 22:21
C'Tan tech was certainly around during the Heresy, as they built Ordinatus Mars to breach one of their shields being used by the traitors.

I'm just thinking of an excuse not to get shot at by those *&^% stealth suits again.

Gen.Steiner
02-09-2006, 12:51
Stealth Suit Cure: Assault troops (hee hee - even a lone Senior Officer with power sword makes a mess of Stealth Suits, hee hee).

In terms of chronology, however, the date of widespread Necron contact begins with Sanctuary 101 - everything before that is kept hush hush and involves individual Scarabs, a few Warriors and maybe a Destroyer or two, and there are usually no survivors...

Final chronology point: To avoid facing Tau, 'Nids or Necrons, set your armies just after the Heresy. :)

La'mour Le Breton
03-09-2006, 08:15
the only race that will survive the end of the galaxy will be the orks, the necrons are too evil to survive, the eldar would have to destroy them, the nids are connected to the c'tan (the outsider) ok just rumor. Chaos will probably get screwed by the c'tan before they go or all the humies will die, humans are weak in the first place, eldar are few they're almost gone as it is and will prob die killing the c'tan, tau are just tau, but the orks will never die, they generate there own psychic presence if im not mistaken, and unless the nids can eat each and every one they can keep on reproducing. so i think the orks will play no major part in the end of the universe other than being the cockroaches that survive.

ancient_conflict
05-09-2006, 09:04
i know what it would be if Wizards took over

40k.5