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blitz589
22-06-2005, 23:36
[INDENT]Not sure where to post this, but on topic; I recently finished my Tyranid army, and for my next army ive narrowed it down to one of the chaos legions, I uasully play against Guard, Black Templars, and necrons. My first thought was black legion, but my friend already plays them. So if you have any ideas on what to play, or what to not play, please advise.

TenTailedCat
22-06-2005, 23:49
Alpha Legion are fun, they allow you to take all manner of cool little infiltarion and assasination squads, and their background absolutely rules.

Nightlords fluff makes them appealing, and they get extra Raptors, extra bikes and such, but they pay for this with a lack of daemons.

Wor Bearers are underappreciated, and I've yet to encounter one of their armies on the tabletop, but their fluff is my favourite of all the Chaos legions, along with the Emperor's Children and Alpha legion. They get crap loads of Daemons and the evil chaplin dudes whose names I forget.

Iron Warriors look good for shooting things, aain - it's a cool imagery and fluff, and seeing a Marine army with lots of tanks would be quite nice. They also get dibbs on Obliterators, who have the best piece of artwork in the whole Codex.

Apart from that you have the Black Legion and the four legions dedicated to the Gods - World Eaters, Thousand sons, Death Guard and Emperor's Children, but you know what they're like anyway, presumably.

if you need more specific detail just say, I've got the codex within easy reach.

blitz589
23-06-2005, 00:11
Iron Warriors look good for shooting things, aain - it's a cool imagery and fluff, and seeing a Marine army with lots of tanks would be quite nice. They also get dibbs on Obliterators, who have the best piece of artwork in the whole Codex.

Someone told me they have seige specialest, but i can't find where it is in the rule book, if its in the dex can you tell me what it does, or where it is in the rule book.

DantesInferno
23-06-2005, 00:14
Iron Warriors look good for shooting things, aain - it's a cool imagery and fluff, and seeing a Marine army with lots of tanks would be quite nice. They also get dibbs on Obliterators, who have the best piece of artwork in the whole Codex.


You should be warned, however, that there appears to be an unfortunate stigma attatched to IW players. Accusations of "cheese" abound. Whether or not these are justified or not, it is sufficient to say that it is an army which can be abused.

Of course, there's no reason why you have to take advantage of all their advantages (my IW army doesn't). Just thought you should be warned there is a probably unjustified stereotype against these guys.

But, all of the undivided legions have truly excellent background, so you'd be well advised to read up on that before making a choice. Night Lords, in particular, are really awesome.

sigur
23-06-2005, 00:14
You should go for one of the cult army lists, so either Plaque Marines, Emperor's Children, World Eaters or Thousand Sons.

Plaque Marines: Great fluff, not too sure about the current models, solid army list, hard as nails, great opportunity to get familiar with GS and the smell of rotting flesh.

Emperor's Children: Great fluff, nice models, solid army list again (as far as I know), different to paint, look good, wide room for nifty conversions, tentacle monsters. My choice if I should ever fall to Chaos.

World Eaters: Good fluff, fairly outdated models (I'm talking about the Khorne Berzerkers), conventional conversions, strong army list without much control, maybe a bit boring I could imagine.

Thousand Sons: Great fluff (although I'm not too fond of the newer, "living powerarmour" part), Models that look very good and characterful, the army list is said to be a bit on the weaker side, beautiful color scheme (as recently seen on painting&terrain), lets you play with the egyptian influences, freedom of conversions of colorful and surprising mutations and there's gonna be Ahriman's Chosen in the next WD. Let's see if they become a regular TS unit or "Cadia campaign only".

Also think about getting WHFB chaos stuff and consider LatD as an army choice.

blitz589
23-06-2005, 00:15
Do the Iron Warriors loose any CC ability, like strike at I 1 or somthing.

TenTailedCat
23-06-2005, 00:17
Someone told me they have seige specialest, but i can't find where it is in the rule book, if its in the dex can you tell me what it does, or where it is in the rule book.


The siege specialist was part of their Index Astartes, but is now a 'trait' like Veteran Skill.

The unit with the siege specialist gets +1 on Armour penetration rolls against enemy bunkers (when was the last time you saw one of those?), they count as fearless when inhabiting bunkers and that's it really.

IW also get Tech Marine servo arms, which no other legion gets access to.

I also have to jump in and say the Night Lords fluff is truly exceptional. You really get a feel for just how vicious and brutal they are, and the bit of fluff about the Loyalist scouts finding a world that the Night Lords paid a visit to is brilliant and evocative.

And no, no loss in CC ability as far as I can see.

Mr Evil
23-06-2005, 00:22
Emperor's Children are a very, very shooty army combined with potent HtH abilities. Your basic Marines can be armed with 24" S4 AP5 Heavy3 weapons, which are also Assault2. Increadibly nasty once they get into range. They can also take favoured Daemonettes, which are known to tear things up in combat.

TenTailedCat
23-06-2005, 00:23
Daemonettes look hot too. Titties.
If you decide on Emperors Children though, don't paint them pastel pink, it really isn't very good...

Jeru
23-06-2005, 00:27
Iron Warriors are very solid. We had a UK guy out in AZ for school and I think in a 5-6 month spawn he never dropped a match. Now he could be part of the "cheese" indicated earlier as I seem to remember him having a Daemon prince, Oblits, and a lot of long range heavy weapons.

Tzeentch has always been my preferred chaos god. I am not bloodthirsty like khorne. i am not a pinko weirdo like slaneesh, and those nurgle guys just stink.

I always liked Tzen's daemons too. Pink horrors that turn into more mobs when they die. What can be bad about that ^^

Johnny Bravo
23-06-2005, 00:32
I gotta toss my vote in with the Night Lords (http://www.redelf.h1.ru/w40k/ia/w40k_ia_nl.html), too. Very cool fluff, I think, and a rather cool color scheme to boot. Just do us all a favor, if you do choose them, don't use the new 'bat-head' models. Please. :)

Oh, and don't listen to all those propaganda-mongers. There's no actual proof that Curze is dead. <ducks and covers> ;)

blitz589
23-06-2005, 00:33
Since Iron Warriors Can take Imperial Tanks, can they upgrade them with Chaos weapons, like Mutated Hual. A 14 frontal armored vindicator seems nice.

sigur
23-06-2005, 00:35
Sure, yeah, but apart from that list screaming "ABUSE ME, I make you teh winner!!!!1", do you like the IW fluff? do you like the minis, do you like the color scheme? That's what is important in an army, not what stats you can boost by doing this and that.

DantesInferno
23-06-2005, 00:35
I gotta toss my vote in with the Night Lords, too. Very cool fluff, I think, and a rather cool color scheme to boot. Just do us all a favor, if you do choose them, don't use the new 'bat-head' models. Please.

Oh, and don't listen to all those propaganda-mongers. There's no actual proof that Curze is dead. <ducks and covers>

You just managed to undermine the entire majesty (and tragedy) of the Night Lords' background with that comment, Johnny Bravo.......

Night Haunter sacrifices himself to prove his point about the Emperor's hypocrisy, and you try to pretend he somehow escaped at the last minute? Read my sig and then tell me he's still alive.

blitz589
23-06-2005, 00:40
Sure, yeah, but apart from that list screaming "ABUSE ME, I make you teh winner!!!!1", do you like the IW fluff? do you like the minis, do you like the color scheme? That's what is important in an army, not what stats you can boost by doing this and that.
I already have an army I like, now i want an army that can beat my friends cheasy army, You the Min squad size to fit riduclous amounts of special and heavy weapons.

TenTailedCat
23-06-2005, 00:40
Night Haunter sacrifices himself to prove his point about the Emperor's hypocrisy, and you try to pretend he somehow escaped at the last minute? Read my sig and then tell me he's still alive.

Keep your heretical lies about the Emperor to yourself, traitor. :p

But yes, If Night Hanuter had survived it'd make the whole legion look pretty silly.

Johnny Bravo
23-06-2005, 00:42
Hence the 'ducks and covers' comment, followed by the ';)'. I love the background and the whole story of Curze as much as the next fan, I just couldn't resist a quick jab. :)

Matter of fact, it was that very quote that got me interested in them in the first place.

Johnny Bravo
23-06-2005, 00:44
I already have an army I like, now i want an army that can beat my friends cheasy army.

Oh, man, don't be That Guy! Play the army you like, not the one that's 'teh winningest!!1!'. The power of the Cheese Side is strong, but you can resist it!

Son of Morkai
23-06-2005, 00:46
You don't beat power gamers with an army. You beat them with the rulebook. It's hardback for a reason.

TenTailedCat
23-06-2005, 00:47
Yeah seriously - winning is addictive, before you know it all of your armies have the stench of stilton about them. Any army can win if you play to your strengths and cripple your enemy where it'll hurt him the most.

sigur
23-06-2005, 00:49
...'teh winningest!!1!'....
hehe, not a bad word creation. ;)


Speaking of bad, you definitly should change your attitude towards 40k blitz589. As soon as possible. This won't get you far. After some years of playing you'll remember games, but only seldomly when you won or when you lost.

Johnny Bravo
23-06-2005, 00:50
You don't beat power gamers with an army. You beat them with the rulebook. It's hardback for a reason.

:D

You just earned a spot in my sig, SoM.

sigur
23-06-2005, 00:52
Okay, this means that I missed the chance to put it into my sig. ;)
But it's a memorable phrase.

Son of Morkai
23-06-2005, 00:54
Yay! Something I said is in someone's sig!

DantesInferno
23-06-2005, 01:24
Hence the 'ducks and covers' comment, followed by the ';)'. I love the background and the whole story of Curze as much as the next fan, I just couldn't resist a quick jab. :)

Matter of fact, it was that very quote that got me interested in them in the first place.

"Apology accepted, Captain Needa.."

OK, sorry if I over-reacted, but people claiming Curze is still alive is one of my pet-hates. ;)

There are some great Curze quotes, and any NL fan should read Lord of the Night for more special NL-brand insanity/genius. Or go see Batman Begins.

blitz589
23-06-2005, 02:56
I think i will stick with the Cheezy Iron warriors, I figure for my Heavy support id go with 2 predator anihlators, 1 vindicator, and a Basilisk or Defiler, which is better Basilisk or Defiler considerings PTs, Effectivness and $.

x-esiv-4c
23-06-2005, 02:59
Coming from a DG player I can confidently say that the DG is one of the toughest armies out there. A standard T of 5 is hard to contend with. You also get ASP.Champs for free and therefore loads of Nurgles rot. As for converting and modelling? Your imagination can go totally wild!

blitz589
23-06-2005, 03:02
Coming from a DG player I can confidently say that the DG is one of the toughest armies out there. A standard T of 5 is hard to contend with. You also get ASP.Champs for free and therefore loads of Nurgles rot. As for converting and modelling? Your imagination can go totally wild!
I was considering them, but there models combined with my lack of painting skill = Walking blob.

DantesInferno
23-06-2005, 03:08
I think i will stick with the Cheezy Iron warriors, I figure for my Heavy support id go with 3 predator anihlators, 1 vindicator, and a Basilisk or Defiler, which is better Basilisk or Defiler considerings PTs, Effectivness and $.

"How to Win Friends and Influence People"

You can't use that many HS slots anyway - only 4.

blitz589
23-06-2005, 03:14
You can't use that many HS slots anyway - only 4.
I meant 2 preds, but whats better Defiler or Basilisk

x-esiv-4c
23-06-2005, 03:18
If you follow the painting guide in WD-300 about DG your models will turn out brilliant, it's a simle enough system of dry-brushing. Don't worry about the painting skills, you'll be workign with earth-tones mostly.

Johnny Bravo
23-06-2005, 03:19
Yeah, why don't you go for the 9 Obliterators while you're at it? :p

blitz589
23-06-2005, 04:19
Yeah, why don't you go for the 9 Obliterators while you're at it? :p
That's pretty good, except it would cost 225$ for 630 Pts.

Son of Morkai
23-06-2005, 06:17
The price of victory...


If you want the best cost-money ratio possible, buy two boxes of Thousand Sons, convert them to Chosen, and you can easily hit 10,000 points for 80 USD. Will they be effective? Hell no.

Will 9 Oblits that you can probably buy second hand from some noob who's dropping the army because it's too difficult to win with (you know the kind) be effective? Yes.

Just looking on ebay right now, and there are lots of Obliterators for very little.

Also, taking infiltrating Havocs would probably be better than tanks. You'd get to deploy last and where you need to be, instead of first and in a limited deployment area. And don't forget to take only two squads of Troops, each of 5 men with a lascannon.

Artemis_Quinn
23-06-2005, 08:08
Unless I somehow missed it I'm kind of surprised to hear that nobody mentioned the LatD....... they are great fun to make as an army seeing as how there are no definite models for them (well, the mutants, or the hordes, and pretty much the rest of the army is just asking for fun conversion work) meaning a unique army that you feel satisfied with in the end.

I think they'd be great against All three of the mentioned opponents just because you can get such awesome amounts of numbers with them (except for against those guard, in which case you simply take a deamon prince so your opponent seperates fire between him and your many many nasty combat units, gotta love 6 pnt mutants) Not to mention a Deamon prince or Greater deamon can rip through just about anything (dice roll dependant). Plus, you get access to a few guard things as well, like sentinels and Basilisks, which can proove very fun :evilgrin:

So basically between modeling, the sheer amount of adaptability to the list, and the fact that it is a fun competative chaos list I think it should be a shoe-in for your choice.

Plus, mutants are the zombies of 40K, and everybody loves zombies :p

blitz589
24-06-2005, 01:29
Unless I somehow missed it I'm kind of surprised to hear that nobody mentioned the LatD....... they are great fun to make as an army seeing as how there are no definite models for them (well, the mutants, or the hordes, and pretty much the rest of the army is just asking for fun conversion work) meaning a unique army that you feel satisfied with in the end.

I think they'd be great against All three of the mentioned opponents just because you can get such awesome amounts of numbers with them (except for against those guard, in which case you simply take a deamon prince so your opponent seperates fire between him and your many many nasty combat units, gotta love 6 pnt mutants) Not to mention a Deamon prince or Greater deamon can rip through just about anything (dice roll dependant). Plus, you get access to a few guard things as well, like sentinels and Basilisks, which can proove very fun :evilgrin:

So basically between modeling, the sheer amount of adaptability to the list, and the fact that it is a fun competative chaos list I think it should be a shoe-in for your choice.

Plus, mutants are the zombies of 40K, and everybody loves zombies :p
I know someone who plays them, so id rather have a differnt army