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TwilightOdyssey
10-09-2006, 19:26
Is it me, or does the Wailing Doom not really do anything? It doesn't appear in the Eldar codex as having any special properties, doesn't impart anything special to the bearer, doesn't have any status effects on the enemy ... overall, I find that kinda lame!

Granted, once the Avatar has you up close and personal he has the potential to really bring on the pain, but his actual save is weak (in my opinion) for being the living incarnation of a god.

Sorry if this has been discussed ad nauseum. Just had to get it off my chest. :)

Also, has anyone ever seen an Avatar modelled with the alternate forms of the Wailing Doom -- namely, as a spear or "many bladed" axe?

UltimateNagash
10-09-2006, 19:29
IIRC, it did something in 2nd ed, and they never said in 3rd ed if it did anything...

TwilightOdyssey
10-09-2006, 19:31
IIRC, it did something in 2nd ed, and they never said in 3rd ed if it did anything...
That would make sense, because the way it's presented in the 3E codex, it's made to look like something special ... but then it turns out not to be!

marv335
10-09-2006, 19:32
it was a weapon, then it wasn't. and as of the new codex it will be again.
it's turning into a meltagun apparently.

Khaine's Messenger
10-09-2006, 19:51
Is it me, or does the Wailing Doom not really do anything?

Its only special quality from the 3e BBB to now has been "power weapon" (from the 3e BBB, if you're curious). Which is, of course, laughably unnecessary since the Avatar is a Monstrous Creature....


Also, has anyone ever seen an Avatar modelled with the alternate forms of the Wailing Doom -- namely, as a spear or "many bladed" axe?

Spear? Absolutely. Many-bladed axe? Not any modelling project I've seen, no, but canonically (iirc) its form does vary.

Cap'n Umgrotz
10-09-2006, 23:22
The Wailing Doom used to zzap enemies in 2nd edition.

It being a melta gun would be cool.

chickenuggets
11-09-2006, 09:37
sorry if this is off topic but what is up with the current avatar save? its all invunerable and nt invunerable. i hope it gets changed in new dex cause it dnt make sense, but i still use its wording to get saves from a warsythe.

BrainFireBob
11-09-2006, 09:41
It's a Daemon save from 3rd. At the time, behold the mighty saving power possessed by Daemons . . .

primarch16
11-09-2006, 09:44
I want Avatars to be able to go toe to toe with Greater Deamons and Deamon princes really.

GrimZAG
11-09-2006, 09:50
That would make sense, as he really is a daemon, it would be cooler if it were a firepike, but maybe that's a bit extreme

Kromando33
11-09-2006, 09:59
Where do you think the Avatar gets his WS10 from?

AsuryanofUlthwe
11-09-2006, 18:14
From being the incarnation of the Eldar's God of WAR maybe? srsly, wtf

Nehcrum
11-09-2006, 20:23
Rumours has it that the Avatar is being bumped up to match greater daemons in the new eldar codex.
3+/5+I save, just like bloodthirsters, the Wailing Doom being made into something that can shoot (probably a melta style shot) and Molten Body rule being brought back (immunity to melta and flamer).

UltimateNagash
11-09-2006, 20:30
I like the sound of Molten Body. Characterful and good.

Azazel
11-09-2006, 21:03
I always liked the Avatar. Any big monster thingy is good in my books.

Back in second edition he was easily a match for a Bloodthirster.

I'm looking forward to his stat increases even though I don't collect Eldar. It should be more of an achievement to slay him.

Cheesehead
11-09-2006, 22:19
to be honest, the living incarnation of a GOD should be able to go toe-to-toe with anything in the game, not just greater daemons. I'm talking C'tan/Nightbringer here. In 2nd ed, he wiped the slate clean with anything on the board, of course he was 300 points iirc and often found himself at the center of attention. 3rd disgraced his image. I mean, at 80pts, who wouldn't bring a built-in bullet sponge to the eldar family picnic? The avatar is supposed to be something special, only summoned in times of dire need, not brought along to the Farseer's walk in the park. Plus, who can ****** believe that a living GOD would get torn asunder by a mob of ****** Orks?

Although he's getting a bump in the new codex, its not enough IMHO. When other characters have the ability to inflict damage at will with NO SAVE possible, the Avatar is going to get felled like a red oak just the same as in 3rd, it'll just take a bit more effort.

Bork
11-09-2006, 22:31
The Wailing Doom used to zzap enemies in 2nd edition.

It being a melta gun would be cool.

It had IIRC the exact stats of a meltagun in 2ed.

Seerluminatti
11-09-2006, 23:10
to be honest, the living incarnation of a GOD should be able to go toe-to-toe with anything in the game, not just greater daemons. I'm talking C'tan/Nightbringer here.

To be honest, an Avatar is merely a shattered fraction of the Eldar God of war that Khaine once was. Even the Wailing doom is a mere parody of the weapon Khaine once weilded: An immense manifestation of the God's power capable of destroying worlds with a swift blow.

Sadly, it appears that although Khaine survived in pieces which could reform as long as the craftworlds survived, those pieces would lose power with each reformation. This is the explanation given to me by many GW employees, but I believe its because the Eldar are most effectively represented on the battlefield with many specialized squads working in conjunction with each other in a deadly dance rather than as a mob supporting a giant monstrous creature.

And as far as taking out a C'tan goes, consider that the C'tan were dining on stars and galaxies long before the Necrontyr crafted the most sophisticated bodies imaginable for them to occupy and focus their immense powers through.


Although he's getting a bump in the new codex, its not enough IMHO. When other characters have the ability to inflict damage at will with NO SAVE possible, the Avatar is going to get felled like a red oak just the same as in 3rd, it'll just take a bit more effort.

Sure, I miss the days when the Avatar could shoot a bolt of energy to blast infantry, tanks and enemy monstrous creatures. However, Ive dealt with this through appreciating his substantial drop in point cost and the clever combination squads available to specialist Eldar army lists such as the Court of the Young King and the Spear of Khaine. Although Im sure the Avatar wont receive Greater Demon status in the new Eldar Codex, with a few clever tweaks to the Wailing Doom (Maybe the ability to ignore invulnerable saves[c'tan as well])and new parodies of the old combi squads Im sure the Avatar will keep a prominent role in my craftworld's battle plans.


Plus, who can ****** believe that a living GOD would get torn asunder by a mob of ****** Orks?

Dont underestimate the green skins, they're more advanced than we commonly believe.

UnRiggable
11-09-2006, 23:53
Yeah avatar is obsolete at this point. I've always imagined an avatar as a gigantic fire-fiend (an ifrit or phoenix, if you will) that terrifies anybody and destroys anything to go past that fear. Of course I imagined it's power in the sword itself and spells it can cast rather than the avatar itself. If there is a God (but let's not get into that PLEASE) I imagine it's (trying to avoid discussion) power not as being like "He can punch you in the face with the strength of a million lumberjacks" but rather as "He can smite you" or "He can remove you from the Planet" I imagine the avatar does not control the ways a human (or any other species) fights and so WS10 shouldn't be there.

Plus he should at least be able to do what a wraith can do.