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omricon
11-09-2006, 23:42
I and a friend am currently working on a Thousand Sons army with green LED's inside to make them actually glow green, the colour of their souls possesing their armour. The model below is a prototype hence the clearly visible wires. Below is a tutorial for making them including less obvious wires. My friend [GrahamGilchrist] did most of the painting and I did most of the modelling, the head was a real **********.

This is the finished product:
http://static.flickr.com/92/240958422_fa4140eb11.jpg

Luke
11-09-2006, 23:45
That is the coolest thing I have ever seen! How come I didnt think of it :(
Cant wait to see a whole army like this!

Quin 242
11-09-2006, 23:47
Sweet baby Geez.. that thing looks nifty as pie

omricon
11-09-2006, 23:49
What you NEED to create a unit of 1k sons that glow green:
1. Standard boxed set of 1k sons from GW
2. a STRONG modelling knife
3. A decent modelling drill with a range of drill bit sizes.
4. 8-10 3V lithium batterys (optionally change the voltage if using different LEDs). I used the size CR 1220 as it was a snug fit but this is a matter of taste.
5. 8-10 3mm ultra powerful green LED's. Mine were 15,000 mcd (brightness measure) I bought packs of ten off a guy on ebay called phenoptix. They were rated at just over 3V. At least one of the LED's is used as a 'fitter' and so gets glue and other cr@p on it and wont end up getting used in the end and I always like to have one spare.

PLEASE NOTE: When they say 3mm, I do not believe they are reffering to the casing as the LED's I received were definitely bigger and just about fit into the marine torso, let alone an arm or something. Additionally the brightness measure is important, it should be brighter than the old class of LED due to the glow effect being achieved by reflection.

ALSO NOTE: This list does not include the champion but rather only the eight squad members. This is still WIP so more about champions and things later.

OPTIONAL EXTRAS:
1. Khorne zerker heads for converting to 1k sons heads and for easier drilling. (harder painting)
2. A dremel for drilling metal if you can do this carefully enough without destroying the head.
3. green stuff for covering up the wires and modelling the zerker heads.

Now onto the step by step!

Step 1: Pop the torso sections of the CSM sprue and cut a large hole where the head and legs should go, this is to allow the LED to have space inside the hollowed CSM torso as the one I used was bright and not very small as a result:

http://static.flickr.com/97/240960543_6dc2eb7631.jpg

Step 2: Cut a semi circular hole in the front section of the torso where the arms are, if you are using plastic arms you might be able to get away with cutting a semi circular hole in the back section of the torso too. This allows light to escape from the torso through the arm joints in a ghostly fashion:

http://static.flickr.com/88/240959789_005dcfc886.jpg

After both these jobs the front torso section should look like this:

http://static.flickr.com/87/240960544_92839d5134.jpg

omricon
11-09-2006, 23:55
Step 3: Cut the front part of the arm to leave a gap between the arm and the torso to allow light to escape:

http://static.flickr.com/88/240959792_1ff239e14a.jpg

Please note the rest of Step 3 is contained in the next post, being a picture of what the arm looks like after being cut. This process is actually not that hard to do with metal.


Step 4: Glue the torso together, glue the arms and bolter onto the torso at an angle, glue the backpack and shoulder pads on. This is doable because the way the arm is cut still leaves a flat bit which contacts with the back of the arm/torso joint and the front bit as a gap. Be sure not to block off the gap with the shoulder pad (Note this is one I did earlier with metal arms, but the process is the same for metal):

From the bottom:
http://static.flickr.com/84/240960541_d951339eb0.jpg

From the front:
http://static.flickr.com/97/240959798_a1f773a9cd.jpg

Front the top:
http://static.flickr.com/89/240959797_dd8d02f9c1.jpg

Some people prefer using the Ahriman backpack, feel free to subsitute that in at this point.

primarch16
11-09-2006, 23:58
Madness :D I love it.

omricon
11-09-2006, 23:58
Continued from Step 3: (a picture of the finished arm...)
http://static.flickr.com/87/240961176_9cef50b078.jpg

Step 4: Make sure the LED fits and works, this isnt just for size, you also need to make sure you have a 3V watch battery handy that will fit in the base of the model:

http://static.flickr.com/94/240961181_20e93ad73b.jpg

Step 5:
Cut the top of the legs off and drill holes through them to allow the LED wires through:

http://static.flickr.com/89/240960548_6779a10b0b.jpg

GrahamGilchrist
12-09-2006, 00:03
My friend [GrahamGilchrist] did most of the painting and I did most of the modelling, the head was a real **********.

Haha. Indeed that would be me. Hi everybody. You can blame me for the paintjob :)
It was a lot of fun to do and not-actually that complicated. You just need to make sure you get an led which drives straight off a 3V battery which you stick in the base.
The worst part was drilling the metal head and eye holes. White metal is NOT an easy substance to drill large holes in. Bring back the days of lead ... I endured much accidental finger stabbing for that model :cries:
Omricon wants a whole army of them but I think we'll need some kind of plastic head conversion if we do it again!

This was cross-posted from the Thousand Sons tactica thread where some of the guys asked for a walkthrough. Seeing as Omricon is planning a whole army (the Madness!), we thought it best to put it in a Project Log.

I welcome C&C for the painting!

Rich 123
12-09-2006, 00:12
Looks great! Lovely way of representing Thousand Sons! So often they look like Ultramarines with silly hats on.

You said you had problems with the heads. Why not just use plastic CSM heads (its not like you dont get them in the TSons box anyway) and just pin the metal head dresses cut off the Sons heads?

That might save some headaches (no pun intended!) and make a whole army easier to do - we'd all love to see it!

Good luck
Dicky

omricon
12-09-2006, 00:16
Step 6: Insert the LED into the legs of the CSM and bend the wires into position down the legs of the CSM. You may need to cut a groove in the legs so the wire fits better and use green stuff to cover up, its personal taste, (there's a guy on the net who drilled through the legs of his necrons to get red LED's into the eyes, feel free to try that if you like but it may be difficult as the wires on the LED are stiff and the CSM legs are bent so it is difficult to get the wire all the way through):

http://static.flickr.com/97/240961185_31f7524451.jpg

Step 7:
Fit the marine together:

http://static.flickr.com/93/240961184_09589121da.jpg

UnRiggable
12-09-2006, 00:17
I always imagined their armor being closed to prevent the spirits from escaping

omricon
12-09-2006, 00:23
Step 8: Drill out the head. You need to drill the eyes using a fine drill bit, and you need to cut the neck off your head. We used the metal sons head but the other models in the army will use the plastic CSM head and the sons head backplate glued together, that makes drilling the plastic head easier, (as suggested in a previous post):

Cutting the neck off:
http://static.flickr.com/87/240961183_4cb17f059c.jpg

Drilling the head:
http://static.flickr.com/95/240960550_cd84f23ebc.jpg

Please note that the head is not hollow and requires a lot of effort to hollow out if metal.

omricon
12-09-2006, 00:28
Step 9: drill holes in the base and bend the wires so that it holds the battery in. I have yet to come up with a simple switching mechanism so for now its pop the battery in and out for use, it does stand up and the battery doesnt fall out though when the metal is bent enough:

http://static.flickr.com/85/240961186_caf76517fe.jpg

Step 10: Glue the head on and test it in your favourite bit of scenery/lighting conditions:

http://static.flickr.com/84/241001246_e81b316077.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/81/241001244_5d6db70407.jpg

omricon
12-09-2006, 00:31
Step 11: Paint your model and enjoy :)

http://static.flickr.com/92/240958422_fa4140eb11.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/89/240958423_aac4f21166.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/96/240958420_ac38590d42.jpg

omricon
12-09-2006, 00:33
I always imagined their armor being closed to prevent the spirits from escaping

If that was the case as soon as they got shot and there was a hole in their armour their souls would leak out :) I think they are harder than that and traditionally their souls are ghostly green :)

Edzard
12-09-2006, 00:39
VERY awesome! I once saw some necrons that had lights in their heads too..

hertz
12-09-2006, 00:43
ouch... this is gonna be a hard one to finnish,right?

well, its your life ;) good luck!

omricon
12-09-2006, 00:57
We'll See ;) 1k sons armies are very low on units so it will be easier than my IG army I reckon with the lack of painting.

I also plan on doing a glowing dreadnought...

ghostmaker12
12-09-2006, 01:23
dude thats awsome it would be cool to see that on a necron but it looks sick on that SM.

75hastings69
12-09-2006, 01:29
dude thats awsome it would be cool to see that on a necron but it looks sick on that SM.

There is a whole Necron army on the internet somewhere by a guy in USA called Daniel Wolff (I think that is his name) he posts under the name Polkadot. HERE (http://s11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=2185) is a link. Enjoy and prepare to be in awe.

p.s. I had a go at this and besides only completeing 1 destroyer that never completely worked as expected all I manaed to get was really angry and several deep lacerations to the thumbs and fingers :mad:

Scorpio
12-09-2006, 05:07
HOLY CRAP. those necrons are....i cant even think of a word good enough.
The thousand sons look really cool with it to. IMO they look cooler then the necrons but an entire army of those????OMG MY fingers bleed at the thought.

-Scorpio

Dais
12-09-2006, 06:58
how do you keep the spray primer from getting on the light and ruining the whole show?

omricon
12-09-2006, 09:07
how do you keep the spray primer from getting on the light and ruining the whole show?

We used blue tac on the joints and then sprayed it and removed it, same method I use for spraying camo on tanks. The eyes were too small to be much of a problem. Another method would be to spray the bit before pyutting it together.

Scamshouse
12-09-2006, 10:12
We used blue tac on the joints and then sprayed it and removed it, same method I use for spraying camo on tanks. The eyes were too small to be much of a problem. Another method would be to spray the bit before pyutting it together.

Painting Cammo with Blue tac! What a brilliant idea, thanks I'll try that.

Love the Glowing 1K Sons. Good luck to you both completing this project you loons :)

GrahamGilchrist
12-09-2006, 11:44
We used blue tac on the joints and then sprayed it and removed it, same method I use for spraying camo on tanks. The eyes were too small to be much of a problem. Another method would be to spray the bit before pyutting it together.

To expand a little on the spraying issue. After some testing I worked out that 2 thin coats of spray (from a distance) was better and would not fill in the little holes (like the neck ring and the eyes). As omricon said, the large arm holes and waist were covered so that the spray would not get on the LED itself.

Also, I used skull white undercoat which the LED can partly shine through (not like black).

Gekiganger
12-09-2006, 12:00
Wooow...That's fantastic!

Can't wait to see more :)

Wallace
12-09-2006, 13:35
Excellent idea and nice execution! In a world of Ultramarines and vanilla Cadian Guards, things like this keep the hobby interesting!

Acolyte
12-09-2006, 13:45
That's it. If I make a SM army, I'm doing the light thing.

Apologist
12-09-2006, 13:49
Hey guys – good to see the Thousand Sons seeing some intraweb loving. Since it's vaguely related, why not post up Sam's sorceror(erororer)?
I think pre-spraying the bits before assembling would be the way to go – and as I mentioned at the Geekend, I think modified Bunnyzerker heads would work nicely.
You oughtta throw open the floor to suggestions for the Sorceror(ororeororer)'s glowiness/non-glowiness, too.
Finally, comments on the paint job – nice and clean and lovely.

GrahamGilchrist
12-09-2006, 14:13
Hey guys – good to see the Thousand Sons seeing some intraweb loving. Since it's vaguely related, why not post up Sam's sorceror(erororer)?

Cheers Apologist. I'll see if I can dig up those pre-heresy marine photos for posting later.

omricon
12-09-2006, 14:25
Good point Apologist,

QUESTION: What do I do about the sorceror/aspiring champion? One is powerfist armed and one is a daemonhost. Bearing in mind that the sorcerer's have bodies, so that any glowiness would be eyes restricted only presumably? Perhaps not. What are people's thoughts on modelling the sorceror?

For the record I am planning on converting up some terminators and a glowing dreadnought as well. (It would be literally possesed).

Additionally I would like to thank the people here for their kind comments regarding me and GrahamGilchrist's work. :)

Apologist
12-09-2006, 14:45
My thinking is that you don't want your most important models to be playing second fiddle to their dust-golems, so I would find a way of lighting them. Change the colour, change where the light comes out, but definitely light them somehow. Perhaps red LED staffs?
As to the modelling front, I think a standard powerfist would be a bit dull – a double-handed staff might look fun.
Yeah – staffs. Cool.
As for the Daemonhost, try using the old raptor heads. There's one that looks subtly bird-like. If you're using Daemonic chains; and you do use the Khorne Berzerker idea, there's a good one with chains across his front. Failing that, one of the current Raptors would make a great Tzeentch-style floating Daemonhost.

Looking forward to the possessed Dread. Toying with the FW one?

Peace,
Edd

Yorkiebar
12-09-2006, 14:50
Very nice, way too fiddly for me to try myself though.

omricon
12-09-2006, 14:53
Yes I am almost certainly going with the FW dreadnought despite costing lots of money :(

Gotta think some more about those champions, the staff idea isnt a bad one, I dont really want to muck around too much with the model, unless I use a new one. Also unfortunately I can only field one two handed staff and more than likely it would go to a powerful lord like model or at least the terminator captain. It would look cool but would be illegal :( Gotta think more about that one too... I like the khorne chains idea...

ZAChos
12-09-2006, 15:18
How about glowing power fist? You could cut fault lines in it that would make it look like it was crackling with energy from a distance. Or a power half formed in thier hand, as if they are about to launch a ball of power at an enemy.

I also recommend the bunnyzerker heads for easy drilling.

Final suggestion is that you sculpt your own loincloths that go down to the ground, around the led wires. Easier than drilling, and should look good with minimal sculpting ability.

omricon
12-09-2006, 18:41
Glowing powerfists... interesting, maybe could be done in blue or something like that. As for loincloth sculpting yes, I am going to have to practice my greenstuff tabard making skills anyway as there are only two seperate loincloths in the box :)

All good suggestions, keem em coming :)

Zark the Damned
12-09-2006, 18:47
Instead of using cutting, why not borrow the GS-molding techniques and cast a couple of items in clear resin? Embed an LED in the resin and you're set for glowy goodness.

omricon
12-09-2006, 18:51
Instead of using cutting, why not borrow the GS-molding techniques and cast a couple of items in clear resin? Embed an LED in the resin and you're set for glowy goodness.


That was ironically my first plan. Casting is a lot of effort though and a lot of detail can be lost, this way all the cuts and things tend to happen on the inside, preserving most of the detail. Also 1k sons have possesed power armour rather than disembodied spirits. Good suggestion though.

I also had a thought to do one or two of the sons with a cloak rather than a helmet, I wonder, would this look right?

Gekiganger
12-09-2006, 18:57
Yes I am almost certainly going with the FW dreadnought despite costing lots of money :(

It will be worth it. Your marines look stunning. With the highly detailed FW sculpts they will look incredible on a tabletop.


How about glowing power fist? You could cut fault lines in it that would make it look like it was crackling with energy from a distance. Or a power half formed in thier hand, as if they are about to launch a ball of power at an enemy.

Thousand sons not 'Dragonballz!!11eleventyone!1'

Glowing powerfist will look fantastic. Dragon-marines don't.

Zark the Damned
12-09-2006, 21:22
That was ironically my first plan. Casting is a lot of effort though and a lot of detail can be lost, this way all the cuts and things tend to happen on the inside, preserving most of the detail. Also 1k sons have possesed power armour rather than disembodied spirits. Good suggestion though.

I was thinking more for creating custom joints and armatures rather than larger items (though a resin power fist or sword would be cool) - so you wouldn't need to have large holes in the model to have the light seeping through the joints (which would add strength)

As for having glowy fireballs and stuff, it could work really well for sorcerors throwing around bolts of change and the like.

Have you considered drilling up through the middle of the legs rather than the abdomen? it seems feasible to have the wires going through the legs instead of down the sides of them, if you angle the drill bit correctly (maybe use some more wire to extend the led legs)?

omricon
12-09-2006, 22:22
I was thinking more for creating custom joints and armatures rather than larger items (though a resin power fist or sword would be cool) - so you wouldn't need to have large holes in the model to have the light seeping through the joints (which would add strength)

As for having glowy fireballs and stuff, it could work really well for sorcerors throwing around bolts of change and the like.

Have you considered drilling up through the middle of the legs rather than the abdomen? it seems feasible to have the wires going through the legs instead of down the sides of them, if you angle the drill bit correctly (maybe use some more wire to extend the led legs)?

Yes I did consider going through the legs, the wires on my LED are stiff though and all the legs are bent so they wont go round the corner so I would have had to use loose wire and then I would have to solder stuff and make big holes and it all gets complicated, like that necron red LED guy. I think I am a little too lazy to do that for all of them, the next marine will have more hidden legs though and even this one when based properly will be more disguised.

I see what you mean now about resin parts, again something to think about.

Chrysis
13-09-2006, 00:41
Hi,

This is an inspiring project. Looks great, and I've always liked the Thousand Sons, so I may have to start collecting them. Couple of questions though.

1. Are the metal heads hollow? You show cutting off the neck and drilling the eyes, but don't mention drilling the interior of the head out in your tutorials.

2. How about the metal front torsos provided? I imagine they aren't hollow either but how easy would it be in your estimation to use them instead of the plastic torsos?

In terms of Powerfists, I know that you can get rectangular green LEDs, possibly a blue rectangular LED with fingers greenstuffed on and a greenstuff wrist around the leads could make a good fist.

Gaz
13-09-2006, 00:43
Maybe for the sorcerer, instead of using a helmet give them a large hood. Don't bother putting modeling the full face, just have the hood pulled down low with an LED in there to give UBER GLOWINGZ ACTION111 ;):P


(PS that 1k son looks shweet)

Sigismundjimbob
13-09-2006, 03:13
Thats an absolutely awesum idea! i might just pinch that idea 4 a project im about to start. Dont no how well they go at night fighting tho :D

Hand of Death
13-09-2006, 03:49
Are you putting any rhinos or other vehicles in your army? A glowing rhino would be pretty sweet. You could even make it floating. I think it was in one of the annual catalogs at games workshop that had a picture of a floating 1k sons rhino with green LEDs under it.

Toppan
13-09-2006, 05:29
could you write a "better" tutorial please? as in...materials ill need...bits maybe...clarified step-by-step pictures...

im planning on starting a 1k sons army probably...and will maybe do this to my lord to make him stand out and be all awesome like. then the child came out in me and said that i should make all my 1k sons hollow and filled with sand. pull the torsos up via magnets and sand spills out...haha...and my bolt of chaos? an LED laser pointer...and my lascannons? bigger laser pointers.

man...if i only had money

omricon
13-09-2006, 06:34
could you write a "better" tutorial please? as in...materials ill need...bits maybe...clarified step-by-step pictures...

im planning on starting a 1k sons army probably...and will maybe do this to my lord to make him stand out and be all awesome like. then the child came out in me and said that i should make all my 1k sons hollow and filled with sand. pull the torsos up via magnets and sand spills out...haha...and my bolt of chaos? an LED laser pointer...and my lascannons? bigger laser pointers.

man...if i only had money

That sounds like a good idea. I will write a better tutorial at some point today, with a fuller list of materials either at beggining or end. Cant at this precise moment but cheers for the compliment.

omricon
13-09-2006, 06:38
Thats an absolutely awesum idea! i might just pinch that idea 4 a project im about to start. Dont no how well they go at night fighting tho :D

Cheers, go for it! I will get a better tutorial up later today, in the mean time perhaps you people here could clarify other places where it needs a little work, where was it confusing?


Hi,

This is an inspiring project. Looks great, and I've always liked the Thousand Sons, so I may have to start collecting them. Couple of questions though.

1. Are the metal heads hollow? You show cutting off the neck and drilling the eyes, but don't mention drilling the interior of the head out in your tutorials.

2. How about the metal front torsos provided? I imagine they aren't hollow either but how easy would it be in your estimation to use them instead of the plastic torsos?

In terms of Powerfists, I know that you can get rectangular green LEDs, possibly a blue rectangular LED with fingers greenstuffed on and a greenstuff wrist around the leads could make a good fist.

1. The metal head is hollow, sorry again for confusion, it needs to be mostly hollow to allow the light through the eyes. Future heads will be plastic though.

2. I could use the metal front torso but it looks like a very difficult job and I am currently leaning towards either greenstuffing the tabrads I need or ordering more of the loose ones so I dont have to use the metal front torsos at all! If you like authentic though you might have to bite the bullet and use the knife to cut through the metal torso. WARNING: Its a hard job.

PS Cheers for the powerfist thoughts.

Chrysis
13-09-2006, 08:02
The more I think about it the more tempted I am to start up a Thousand Sons army :D Might have to go get a box of them to play with. Looking into the powerfist idea a little more I've found Red, Green and Yellow rectangular LEDS which are 5mm by 2mm, so possibly a little small for a powerfist.

The question regarding the heads was weather they were hollow before you started work on them, although I would assume they weren't.

As another question, any idea on the brightness of the LED you are using? It looks good, and it would be nice to know what kind of brightness rating would achieve the same effect.

Thanks for the hard work.

Rich 123
13-09-2006, 09:33
Well if you really want the metal parts then it sounds like a task suited for a Dremel. If you don't have one and you're intending on doing a whole army, even with plastics, I would probably recommend getting on anyway.

A Dremel was made to do a job like this quickly!

Dicky

omricon
13-09-2006, 12:44
Ok, I have now edited the tutorial, please let me know if you find more things that need changing or if you have more sorcerer/demonhost suggestions or weapon suggestions.

omricon
13-09-2006, 13:34
Also, as an answer to the question about LED's in powerfists, I have modified the tutorial to reflect this but essentially the quoted measurement is actually not corect and you get a bigger LED than is quoted, so remember, smaller is always better, (without compromising too much on brightness)

dominic_carrillo
14-02-2007, 00:53
i was hoping you would put the wires through his legs istead of trailing from his groin.
otherwise good job

omricon
14-02-2007, 11:09
I currently have a unit of sons now and a glowing 1k sons forgeworld Dreadnought. Unfortunately I am looking to borrow a digital camera so I can post the shots! Getting it through the legs is to difficult and I will see if I can find another way of disguising it. The legs are too bent to put a stiff wire into.

Arhalien
14-02-2007, 12:00
umm, wow! That is superb, and a fantasticly crazy idea. I don[;t envyyou trying to do a whole army of these things, although it'll look superb. Can't wait to see these pics once you;ve taken them

Lavadude360
14-02-2007, 16:25
wow!!!

incredible!!!

they are the best thing ever!!

(maybe not ever)

Anyhoo get them finished i want to see them

The Emperor/Khorne etc. demands this of you citizen!

chaos0xomega
14-02-2007, 16:31
Alright, hiding the wires. The other guy was right when he said drill through the legs, what you do is you cut the legs up at the joints(so thight joint and knee joint, getting you a 5 piece leg). Get a slightly larger drill bit and drill through the legssections till you get a nice forked tunnel runnign through the legs. Then run the wires through the legs, starting at the lower torso piece, and then forking left/right, then bending again to match the bend of the upper leg, and then finally bending them at the knee joint to match the lower leg, and then running them out the bottom of the feet into the bottom of the base.

Alternatively, you can use cloaks/ those cloth thingies around the waste to hide them.

A slightly more realistic-looking plan would be to carry on as you are now, but bend the wires to match the curvatures of the legs so that it cant be seen.

OR, instead of even going through the lower torso at all, run them out the bottom of the torso, and out the back(around the marines (former) butt area), and then down and then back into the marine at the lower legs(near the feet) and then through the base. If anyone asks, that is just part of the marines power armor, wiring and whatnot to keep it all running and the like.

omricon
14-02-2007, 17:29
Thanks Ar and Lav :)

@chaos0x
Sounds good, I am currently bending the wires in line with the legs. The problem with putting them through the legs is that once you push the (brittle) wire to the fork you have to push it round the bend. This requires a continous bend at every point on the wire which unfortunately causes breakage. Thanks for the input though.

chaos0xomega
14-02-2007, 18:11
Are there any alternative wire types available? I would imagine that breakage is not a good thing...

And np for the input.

dr.oetk3r
15-02-2007, 04:59
Three questions:

What do you do when an LED dies?

Is there a switch mechanism or do u simply remove the battery?

What sort of batteries do you use? These perhaps http://www.amazon.com/AG13-Alkaline-Lithium-button-battery/dp/B000EOMGLI/sr=8-5/qid=1171514963/ref=sr_1_5/104-5105631-4532739?ie=UTF8&s=hi

AWESOME ARMY, inspired me to do DK with glowing eyes look so freeking sweet!!!!!

Apologist
15-02-2007, 09:48
Regarding hiding the pins, you can drill through the legs as long as they're relatively straight (like in the unwilling daemonhost we made!)

Cutting each leg apart for each trooper would be a real faff, and would probably leave you with a very fragile force indeed. I'd recommend using the loincloths to cover up the wires between the legs – simple, reliable, and fits in nicely with the force. I've got a bunch of unwounds scrolly-type things from the plague priest regiment you can have if you want.

Pin Graham down and get him to post some pics of the Dread and army as it stands!

omricon
15-02-2007, 10:44
Hey I was going to pull the unwilling demonhost out as a surprise Apologist (with full credit to you for making it), you've gone and spoiled it now without pictures to back up our claims of sweetness. Suffice to say this one glows white and will be painted in pre heresy colours. It has obvious wires showing which will be disguised by buying a cheap chain from a jewelers and allowing it to go to the ground whilst also covering draping the torso (WYSIWYG demonchains). The wires make it hover.

I would be very interested in those scroll things, and yes, I really need to get Graham on taking picies, only a few are really needed (unlike the ork army)

Brockafally
20-03-2007, 02:35
As another has said, what would you do if the LED burned out? Cut the old one out and solder on a new one? That's what I would think, but dunno.

As for the battery. As long as it's touching the two LED wires it'll light the LED up?

Sorry I'm really new to the whole LED thing.

Otherwise awesome models.

As for the sorcerer's you might want to consider making the powerfist out of a resin mold and putting an LED in to light it up. Or maybe cutting large cracks through the arms and allowing the led from the centre of the body (same build so it's uniform) to light the arm and make it look like he's drawing power into his hands. That' or just make the hands from resin models and have them glow. :P

Avenging Dentist
20-03-2007, 05:20
As another has said, what would you do if the LED burned out? Cut the old one out and solder on a new one? That's what I would think, but dunno.


LEDs last a LONG time. Has the power LED on your computer ever burnt out? :)

cpt.skara
21-03-2007, 04:31
hands down. that is one of the best representations of fluff turned into a model i have ever seen! VERY VERY COOL

The_Dragon_Rising
22-03-2007, 19:28
As for the battery. As long as it's touching the two LED wires it'll light the LED up?


Thats right, just having the wires touching the battery will complete the electrical circuit and in doing so light up the LED.

PS: have you got any switches on your newer models? if yes how did you find fitting them?

The Dark One
24-03-2007, 12:14
that is so cool, respect dude

turnipman
26-03-2007, 18:54
hey,

They look well cool! its inspired me to make some too. I was wondering, where do you get your batteries and how much are they? i've looked around and they all seem quite pricey (i PM'd you about this too, but no response so i thought i'd post here).

but...yeah...they look really really cool. now do a dreadnought :D

omricon
26-03-2007, 19:04
Really sorry guys, the new job has kept me absolutely buried and timeless!

The LED's I dont think will burn out but if they do they are all in plastic and fairly easy to replace by pulling the model apart (I think!) fortunately I havent had to try it.

The batteries are standard watch bateries which I bought off ebay. I think I paid 50p to a pound for mine. warseer at davewatkins d0t org for more info :)

Thanks for all the nice comments!

omricon
26-03-2007, 19:04
PS No switches yet :) I didnt find them necessary or easy to make :)

turnipman
26-03-2007, 19:06
when you say you paid 50p to £1, is that per battery?

omricon
29-03-2007, 13:12
yes, per battery. Have you checked ebay?

omricon
10-04-2007, 18:15
This army is soooo slow.

Oh well I have some new pics for you.

One pic is of the almost finished unit with champion (not glowing because he isnt rubric). (Partnership with apologist on this one)

One pic is of the demonhost (WIP again thank apologist - this one was his idea - its a shame the pics were taken in the day but if its even slightly darker the white LED inside him really shines through.). The copper wire will eventually be covered up by his demonchains (a chain from a jeweller draped on the model and down the wires onto the ground)

One pic is of a WIP Terminator with the LED off for some reason (it comes through nicely like the others).

And my fave is the 1k sons dreadnought with not less than three LEDs inside him and a magnetised engine behind which the battery was kept (partnership with GrahamGilchrist (go to http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&page=2 for his awesome Tau.) Please ignore the fact that the engine was magnetised on upside down for the picture, it isnt usually like that.

Anyway without further ado (particularly as the paint job aint great on the ones I did and my focus has always been on the model) the pics:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/454180430_332aba18d3_m.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/454180436_11ed992435_m.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/247/454180440_a0b9c23ccf_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/225/454180478_79aa6bc525.jpg

Arhalien
10-04-2007, 18:27
Oooooh, pretty :)

I like the way the sorceror looks (is there an LED in there?). Then glow around the Dreadnought's head looks good too, but I think that more glowing areas would look better (if there's nothing you can do then ignore me :)).

Lord Blood the Hungry
11-04-2007, 01:46
just thought.
to make the sorcerers stand out is there any way of uplighting them to give a warp beacon effect?

hiding the wires (easily?)
if you can get hold of a small power drill it could be used as a router to cut a small shallow channel down the inside of the legs. then all you do is bend the wires so they fit into the channels. and paint them with the legs or green stuff over them if the channls are too deep. i'll have a chat with my bro, he deals with small scale power tools on his design course.

still shocked that you put up a blue peter style guide.

"how cool is this? look at the results of my awesome modelling skills and be amazed!"
STOP HERE!! the next bit almost made me cry
"here is how to do it. complete with how to overcome problems i had, so its even easier for you to copy. now everyone can have one and my awesomely cool idea is no longer unique"

omricon
11-04-2007, 20:36
hey LordBlood I am not selfish, I dont mind if people copy my idea :)

Lord Blood the Hungry
16-04-2007, 19:38
now have small scale power tools if you want to try the hiding the wires. will bring them next geekend.

turnipman
24-04-2007, 00:18
looking really good, the whole unit looks ace. but i think the drednought would look better with more lit areas...still looks top notch though!

and a question about the paint scheme...how did you do the blue? I'm having trouble getting mine to look good :( stripped some a couple of times cos i'm not happy with it

omricon
24-04-2007, 08:53
Hey there.

1. The sorcerer doesnt have an LED in it but was painted by the great Apologist (If I stroke his ego he might paint more of my models :) )

turnipman: Thanks for the feedback :) I used a combination of Ultramarnine blue and just lightened it with white for highlights, nothing fancy :) Apologist used some more fancy stuff including painting some whitey blue runes on the champion and using a better blue mix.

As for the dreadnought, its already got three LEDs in it, is that not enough :)

Tehkonrad
07-10-2007, 08:10
no :P
its your armydo what you want also those crons earlier would look better if their weapons glowed as well

Neknoh
07-10-2007, 08:24
Hrmm... any idea on how to hollow out metal models easely? I think I just found the perfect way of making a cool Saint Celestine

knee high to a gnoblar
31-10-2007, 19:20
now you reallly can play a night fight haha

sweet dude

Crube
31-10-2007, 20:40
Loving this - they look great.

1 question - You mention no switches - so how do you turn them off? Is it a case of moving a wire or something?

Witchfire
31-10-2007, 23:16
i thought of this myself in the summer of 06 but i never thought to actually try it out! nice work!

bluey
01-01-2008, 08:08
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

that is so cool

ZiggyTempest
18-01-2008, 17:57
Great work :D

omricon
01-02-2008, 06:52
hollowing metal out is possible but its a real pain and you are best using some kind of power tool, although I use an old modelling knife it was painful and took ages. It depends what bit you are talking about, a head for example requires a drill. It also requires patience.

I turn the models off by simply popping the batteries out of the bases (or the back of the dreadnought where the exhaust is magnetised to keeping the battery in and the wires hidden.

And yes, this army (it will remain very small until I can make it new codex worthy), is best played in very dim light :)

Develain
02-02-2008, 16:00
i might use leds in my thousand sons army now, because this looks awesome

- Develain

Kiro
08-02-2008, 08:22
Curious to know...what did you use for your Sons' blue?

omricon
08-02-2008, 11:02
I used a combination of Ultramarnine blue and just lightened it with white for highlights, nothing fancy Apologist used some more fancy stuff including painting some whitey blue runes on the champion and using a better blue mix.

Apologist?

RatGod2
13-02-2008, 13:27
I have big problems in make holes for eyes on plastic marines any idea how to do it?Im trying with ele. drills!

Zark the Damned
13-02-2008, 14:39
I have big problems in make holes for eyes on plastic marines any idea how to do it?Im trying with ele. drills!

Use a Pin Vice. Electric Drills will cut straight through Plastics and really tear them up - Pin Vices have far better control when drilling plastic.

Develain
16-02-2008, 10:22
where did you get the LED's from?

- Develain

omricon
16-02-2008, 15:25
I ordered the LEDs off ebay Dev. Also I used a pin voice with a very small drill bit and those drill bits were hard to get hold of.

Mista Wu
23-02-2008, 03:36
dude that pwns...

Alarum
11-03-2008, 11:51
just wondering (as i dont have any minis with me atm) could you mount the batery in the backpack somehow or is the battery to big? might clean up the wires problem. this army is brilliant and thanks for sharing your ideas!

bluebugs
12-03-2008, 01:13
Very, very nice! I love this idea!

Lord_Squinty
19-03-2008, 23:39
OMG!
What else can I say - Awesome work!
You sir are a mentalist of the first degree!

omricon
25-03-2008, 10:29
thanks again guys :) The backpack idea *might* work if you could find a battery small enough (I couldnt) taking into account that a smaller battery will run out more quickly.

Fallan
25-03-2008, 16:32
That's defenetly something I'll try.. Not for an whole army but for some displays just for fun cause it looks freak'n awesome. :D
GJ!
About the battery problem.. You could always put them on a movingtray or something wich has cables connected to all possitions and has a switch so that you could switch off the led whenever you want..
It shouldn't be that hard to do some sort of "plug-thing-connection" on the movingtray.. That way you can lift your models up without being able to make them glow.. Then, when you put them back on the tray you simply switch the leds on and Voila! :)

I suck at explaining what I mean but if you don't understand I can do a fast-sketch in paint.. :P

omricon
25-03-2008, 21:03
yes, I do see what you mean, the only problem I had was ensuring all the contacts actuall contacted on the dreadnought and I can imagine this being a nightmare for a whole movement tray. And wouldnt people accuse me of playing fantasy :)

malkavianmadman
11-09-2008, 04:17
Must say these are some sweet models Omricon. a whole army would look amazing

omricon
15-10-2008, 18:15
cheers. I have got about 750-1k points worth but got a little disheartended that I could not use my daemons.

Zilem
18-11-2009, 21:35
cheers. I have got about 750-1k points worth but got a little disheartended that I could not use my daemons.
Dζmons or not, they Look awesome!

And Flamers with Glowing Flames will look good aswell, if that was your point since you could not drag them along?

omricon
27-01-2010, 21:14
I wasnt going to put LED's in the flamers, I just liked the idea of completeness in the army being achieved through them :( A nice idea though.

Hushrong
27-01-2010, 21:49
wow these are awesome. automatically i thought of this guy...
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/b/b0/ThousandSonsPost-Heresy.jpg/200px-ThousandSonsPost-Heresy.jpg

His right thigh an left shin are exposed and glowing(even though i think his soul would escape until the armor was re-sealed).

Please keep this up!