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grg3d
13-09-2006, 00:06
Ok, What would you do if you caught some one cheating at the game?
Not no miss understanding the rules or not knowing the rules but blatantly trying to cheat to win against you or watching another player's game?
would you pack up your stuff?
call him on it?
tell the other player his opponent was cheating on him? or say nothing because it was not your game.
Have you ever had some one cheat in a game you played?

whitra
13-09-2006, 00:08
I don't think I'd really care.

Dtrik
13-09-2006, 00:14
blatantly cheating like loaded dice or cheating like giving someone misinformation? I know I use the honor system, if I dont know another army's rules well than I will take his word for it unless it seems ridiculous. If someone makes a rules clarification I give them the benefit of the doubt unless I know otherwise or it is a ridiculous and obviously made up rule. Its hard to judge "cheating" in a game with such defined rules but if I suspected someone cheating I would at least point it out in a calm, non hostile manner so it could be worked out.

Gekiganger
13-09-2006, 00:14
If it was me it would depend on how the day had been and how he was cheating. I may get s!ck of it and pack up. I may make snide comments about how manly it is to cheat. (most likely snide comments)

If it was somone else I'd most likely point it out without shouting 'Zomfg!!1ha><orz' by subtly mentioning how the game doesn't work that way.

IcedCrow
13-09-2006, 02:29
It's only happened one time in a long time of gaming.

A few years ago in the league I organized, a player was caught buying loaded dice on ebay. By caught I mean... he had been using said dice for a month with unbelievable results and another player ran across the auction and busted him out.

He was tossed out of the league for this.

Cap'n Umgrotz
13-09-2006, 02:40
I'd say "That's wrong."
Then I'd follow it by pointing out where it explains that.
Or I'd say "Don't measure like that, it could be considered cheating."
Or in extreme cases "Stop cheating or no one will want to play with you."

Ork
13-09-2006, 03:02
Sounds like nothing a swift blow to the groin wouldn't solve


-Ork

Sir Charles
13-09-2006, 03:20
Hung, drawn, and quartered {serious face}

adreal
13-09-2006, 03:58
Er loose with a smile on my face....I mean I'm not that great at warahmmer but if someone has to cheat to beat me, well I'll take it as a compliment

pox
13-09-2006, 04:56
We had a guy in or store that was caught. Everyone learned that there aren't alot of wargamers, and if you get black balled, its about the worst thing that could happen to you. he was using loaded army lists, usually 20-30% more points then was aloud. he was caught at a local tourney, mini's on the board did'nt match his army list. after some folks got together, it was discovered he'd been doing it for some time, and theres no way someone of his caliber would have made the mistake soooo many times by accident. he now rarely plays, and for a while even the young bloods wouldnt play him.

snurl
13-09-2006, 06:53
If someone feels that they need to win so badly that they resort to cheating-
I feel sorry for them. I play to have fun. The occasional win is nice.

We have noticed some rule stretching at some of our games, and have beaten the buggers anyway.

A metal dwarf ironbreaker can really hurt someone if they accidently sit down on it.

samael
13-09-2006, 07:28
Congratulate him on a hard fought and well deserved victory.

Oh and then punch him in the stomach and steal his armycase.:)

Bingo the Fun Monkey
13-09-2006, 07:53
Whatever. They need to win that badly? Let 'em have it. Haven't met any cheaters, myself.

StormCrow
13-09-2006, 08:20
I would laugh at them and tell them that every victory they had ever achieved against me in the past is now void

Milgram
13-09-2006, 08:31
I'd beat the **** out of him. :)

but serious: if someone constantly tries to cheat (move a little further, removing 2-3 models less than he should have to and so one), I'll tell him to pack his things and go.

geoffkemp
13-09-2006, 09:01
If I caught on to it, during the game, depending on what it was maybe make some comment, then watch carfully for the rest of the game when my oppoent performed that action.

Voltaire
13-09-2006, 09:05
If I caught someone cheating, they would first be subject to Skippy going 'tut tut tut' for 8 hours. I would then chase them with the rulebook with a large rusty nail pertruding through it.

Avian
13-09-2006, 10:24
I pointed out to the fellow that you were not allowed to take nine(!) characters in a 2000 pt army and that you could not have four(!) of them being Battle Standard Bearers all(!) carrying the Umbranner.

His opponent then exclaimed: "So that's why you keep winning all the time."



On another occasion I pointed out to a guy that his oppoent was clearly doing something illegal. Said perp asked me: "Are you calling me a cheater?"
I replied that I did and that this was a completely accurate description. The little git then mumbled something I didn't catch.

The boyz
13-09-2006, 11:07
If I thought some one was actually cheating, using loaded dice or whatever. Then I would probably just explain to them that I think they are cheating and could they please stop. If I thought they where using loaded dice, then I would ask them to use the stores dice.

I dont think I would get that ****** about it, I would just explain to them that I think they moved that particular unit to far, or the result on that dice was as miss and not a hit. If my opponent started to get stroppy about the fact I think he was cheating or I caught him cheating, I would just ask him why he felt the need to cheat or to bend the rules.

At the end of the day it is just a game and I am there to have fun and a laugh, getting angry at an opponent for what ever reason just isnt worth the trouble.

DoomedDiceThrower
13-09-2006, 11:32
Crush the cheater.

See him driven before me.

And hear the lamentation of his girlfriend.

eldrak
13-09-2006, 12:34
And hear the lamentation of his girlfriend.

Cheaters in wargames are not likely to have any.

By accident i played someone with 250p more on the table this weekend, he only had 2k to mine 2250 :angel:. I got massacre and he got moral victory.

maze ironheart
13-09-2006, 13:49
Ok, What would you do if you caught some one cheating at the game?
Not no miss understanding the rules or not knowing the rules but blatantly trying to cheat to win against you or watching another player's game?
would you pack up your stuff?
call him on it?
tell the other player his opponent was cheating on him? or say nothing because it was not your game.
Have you ever had some one cheat in a game you played?

If i saw some one cheating in a game i would say that he shouldent cheat at the games workshop i go to cheating is not allowed and if you are caught you automatically lose the game and are keepet an eye on in other games to see if they are cheating again.Also i hate pepole who cheat its ashame that they need to cheat to win because your not showing your skills at playing the game your just showing your skills at cheating.

zak
13-09-2006, 15:35
I found one gut at our club who plays Chaos totally abusing the rules against a new guy. He said that his Chaos beserker sword gave him one extra attack for every model in the unit. I knew he wasn't just mistaken as I had pointed this out only a week earlier and told him the proper rule. I didn't say anything at the time as the game was nearly over the Chaos gut had almost entirly routed the other guys army.
I did have a quiet word afterwards and we haven't seen this lad since.
I usually don't argue with small measuring problems and such as I like to keep things on a friendly basis, but I can't stand someone openly and intentionally abusing a rule just to win.

bigbauske
13-09-2006, 16:30
I point out the infraction, consult the rules and find the right answer and then go on with the game. We have a great group of guys and girls that enjoy the game and just like to play, win or lose. Loaded dice and army lists, never seen them but would not like to be the victume of that.

Pravus
13-09-2006, 16:48
The most common one I see is people who roll extra dice for attacks/wounds or roll them when you aren't looking. Normally they get a polite "could you wait until I can see the roll please". Offences after that get a rather more stern "don't be a **** - roll it again" or "obviously you weren't at school the day they covered adding up; here, let me count out 6 dice for you."

Anyone who trys it after that is either so sociopathic that they can't recognise public censure or their lives are such a hollow sham that the only achievement left to them is to win at a game of toy soldiers at any cost.

In both of these cases I would let it slide on the basis that they are likely a ticking time bomb of homicidal rage and that I'd rather let them detonate somewhere else.

Gekiganger
13-09-2006, 17:00
The last time I played anything sersiously (Adeptus Titanicus) a certain amount of cheating was all part of the fun, seruptitious realignment of buildings to improve cover being a favourite.

I've had moving buildings before. Orc archers charged me and it was more trouble pissing around with the tower than moving it a few inches. Never directly cheated. Just agreed that my opponent could move the damn tower cos his last orc clipped it.

EvC
13-09-2006, 17:34
When someone is cheating with me, I'll usually make them explicitly state what they believe to be true, then get them to look it up in the proper book and show me. I had someone do that to me at a tourney trying to claim that the Hill spell did S5 hits, but I knew it wasn't true due to an unfortunate previous game the same day. After several, "No, I don't think so..."s, he finally checked it out and acknowledged his "mistake". And then later on in the game he cheated again with Skink toughness. And I missed that one, damnit!

unforgiven555
13-09-2006, 23:31
Ok, What would you do if you caught some one cheating at the game?

Well it depends on what you mean exactly. I suppose my opponents and I routinely "cheat" by fudging charges that fail by 1/4" or less so they do not. Although, I don't think that's really cheating, as you're just choosing what number to round to. In a game like warhammer it's difficult to go throughout an entire game, focused on your gameplan, without forgetting a nuance or specific rule, and I suppose one might think that cheating. Warhammer is a game where emotions can get very heated, and can be quite exciting. If someone forgets a rule about a specfic item, or thinks they have a musician in a regiment they did last game, it's not exactly the end of the world.. even WHEN they won the game turning battle because of it - in fact, a situation like that just makes both people happy knowing they won.. in reality.

I suppose it would need to be very blatent, and consistant cheating before I would really care. What's the point of playing if you always win? It also depends on the opponent's perspective and the setting. Most of the games I play are not serious. If the opponent is a nice person and the game is interesting and not extremely one sided, I generally couldn't care less. I suppose IF I payed money, or the opponent was a terrible rules lawyer, then I'd get out the rule book and be very precise. Otherwise.. if you're having fun, who cares?

rhaberova
14-09-2006, 03:24
We had a guy in or store that was caught. Everyone learned that there aren't alot of wargamers, and if you get black balled, its about the worst thing that could happen to you. he was using loaded army lists, usually 20-30% more points then was allowed.

A guy is cheating at a local "friendly" campaign. He is pretty much doing the

same thing, i think he's been doing it for quite a while (as in over a year, if

not longer). He prints out a list of his army with the minimum models in a unit

and no equipment/items/command. Then when setting up he unloads all of his

models on the table (at least 3300+ points worth in a 2500 point battle) and

plays as if they had all the equipment and items available to them. Me and

my friends just found out 3 weeks ago and so far he's done it every week.

We're planning on catching it and calling him on it right after he set up his

whole army (to show the whole hobby shop how he fields 50 more models

than on his list and without any equipment he claims he has during the

games). Normally it'd be really easy to notice this point discrepancy but he

plays Dogs of War which we never knew where so expensive (especially with

the millions of special characters at his disposal) and he claims they're extremely cheap.

That's another thing are special characters (like long dron,

or whatever his name is) in Dogs of war not counted as special characters?

There aren't any special characters allowed in this campaign but he claims in

his army they're not counted as normal special characters. Thanks

druchii
14-09-2006, 05:02
Aside from the earlier posts asking for your clarification on the "meaning" of cheating; it depends.

I guess you could say I cheat from time to time. I forget alot of rules, or special rules, or whatever. I played a game a few days ago and forgot to make my opponent take a SINGLE fear test. OOPS.

Stuff like that, where it's honest and just plain goofy, is ok in my book. It's part of the game, and should be taken for what it is: a mistake.

However.

When someone blatantly "misunderstands" a rule, especially after correction and discussion, then the D-man gets a bit angry.

There's no need to cheat at a dumb game. Hell, most of the time there's no money riding on warhammer, so why bother? And even when there is, how awesome would that free regiment be when every time you look at it you KNOW you cheated to get it?

If I catch someone "cheating"(as described in the above paragraph) I'll let it slide a few times, and then call the person out on it. Nothing wrong with asking someone not to measure from the front of a base, to the back, or to roll their dice in plain view.

If that doesn't solve the problem, then we run into a, well, problem. It honestly has never gone that far, and I don't know what would happen, but I'd most likely escort the goon out to his car, with his figs in the trashcan.
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Xyon
14-09-2006, 06:33
depends on the level of cheating. I have not incountered any levels of high ammounds of cheating, nor have I seen any. If I were to catch somebody cheating, I would point out that I believe they are playing something mistakenly, and that I would like to see the rules. Sometimes after games we'l look at eachothers army lists. And there's always plenty of friendly people arround who know the rules better than I or my opponent to ask questions to. If I were to ever encounter a player who would blatantly and openly cheat in many ways, I would refuse to play with them, and suggest the same to everyone else in the group, and as there really is only one local group who plays at an independant retailers store, if you're not in our group, you're either by yourself, or with your small circle of friends. I think all our cheaters were weeded out back in 3rd edition 40k.

maze ironheart
14-09-2006, 13:21
Don't you hate it when some one moves terrain ether the other player or some one else moves them.

Lordsaradain
14-09-2006, 13:54
I occasionaly 'cheat'...

I can remember at least several times where I've forgotten to take animosity/unruly tests etc.

Also there was this one time that I thought my wargor was ld 8, and only after I'd won the battle I reaslized he wasn't. Such revelations are pretty embarassing.

Its not on purpose, there are just som many things to keep track on...

So, dont be afraid to remind your opponents if you think they've forgotten something, they most likely have.


Don't you hate it when some one moves terrain ether the other player or some one else moves them.

This happends all the time, trees are often knocked over by arms moving units on the other side of the table, and other objects are occasionaly 'pushed' when a unit is moved forward. This is unavoidable unless you glue the terrain to the gaming table.

marv335
14-09-2006, 16:52
i have a sneaky feeling one of the new gamers at the GW i play at is using loaded dice.
i'm playing him on tuesday night. i'm going to insist we both use the same dice, see what the reaction is.

Archaon
14-09-2006, 17:14
I'd take his lunch money.. and maybe do his sister (if she's pretty enough).:D

Alathir
14-09-2006, 18:20
I would laugh at them and tell them that every victory they had ever achieved against me in the past is now void

I would subscribe to this course of action.

snurl
15-09-2006, 06:11
Frankly, cheating doesn't suprise me these days at all.
How many video game players do you know that use cheat codes or a device called a gameshark?

ebolatheripe
15-09-2006, 09:07
I would point it out to my opponent and watch for the infraction again. If I saw another incident of cheating in the same game I probably would never play that person again. I don't like having to watch my opponent so closely, it distracts me from his and my own strategy and maneuvering.

And in general I just don't like cheaters












That's why I stab them

Luke
15-09-2006, 09:34
It depends who it was. If it was my brother I would hit him in the arm, then we would probably laugh and carry on. My best mate would just pretend he had forgot the rules so I would carry on like normal after rectifying the situation.

If it was some peon at a club/store I would make a scene, make sure everyone knows what he is doing then carry on with the game. Hopefully I would have shamed him into quitting anyway. If not the game is now severely uncomfortable for him and a good laugh for me.

hairyman
15-09-2006, 09:46
Well, there's a difference between cheating and being forgetful. I am terrible at remembering all the little rolls and nuances that come with particular armies, but I am as likely to forget something in my favour as I am to forget something detrimental.

Actual deliberate cheating is just silly, unless you're a little kid who doesn't know any better. I mean, it's a game of toy soldiers... what's the point in cheating?

Crazy Harborc
15-09-2006, 21:53
Thankfully, it hasn't happen in a long time. I pointed it out and asked why?? He tried "bluffing/blustering" his way out of an admission, much less just saying "opps, sorry" That taught me more than I wanted to kinow about the guy.

IMHO, someone who knowingly cheats is not a person to be around. I wouldn't trust them, nor do business with them.

When it has happened (once) at the local GW store, it was a young teenager. I talked to him about what he did. I mentioned a bit about honesty, fun and friendship etc. I haven't seen him cheat since.

maze ironheart
15-09-2006, 22:22
Frankly, cheating doesn't suprise me these days at all.
How many video game players do you know that use cheat codes or a device called a gameshark?

I so aggree with you Snurl whats the point of buying a video game if you are just going to cheat on it. Its not worth going to the shop to buy the game that costs &#163;40 or &#163;30 to buy then play it by cheating i think its a waste of time and they should remove cheats from video games because i hate cheating. How are you proving your skills if your gonna cheat.I play lots of video games and i never cheat because its taking the easy route and thats wasting money and i love playing video games and cheating is a waste of money.

Freakiq
15-09-2006, 23:04
I've "cheated" at a few megasized (7000+ per side) games by fiing or moving a squad twice but fortunately my opponent often points it out and nowadays I move and fire squads from left to right to avoid mistakes.

I may use cheats in console games as I don't want to play 300 hours to unlock a certain special character or level.

Kahadras
16-09-2006, 00:11
I normaly just spend a vast amount of time correcting them. If they claim to hit on 3's I point out it's 4's. If they roll to many dice I bring the game to a halt until they roll the right amount. Any 'hidden' rolling gets reroll etc etc. Eventualy players get the message that I know what they are up to and usualy stop trying to cheat.

If they ignore the warning signs then I usualy just pack up and leave telling them that if they have such a poor understanding of the rules etc then there's no point in playing.

Kahadras

ebolatheripe
16-09-2006, 00:18
I don't and I would say most people don't consider it cheating if it is an honest mistake. But when someone intentionally bends rules in there favor time and time again even after it is pointed out to them, it is usually pretty clear that they knew what they were doing. To you guys saying you cheated by forgetting something like a terror test, it wasn't a will full attempt to deceive and so it was not cheating.

Insane Psychopath
16-09-2006, 12:32
Ok, What would you do if you caught some one cheating at the game?
Not no miss understanding the rules or not knowing the rules but blatantly trying to cheat to win against you or watching another player's game?
would you pack up your stuff?
call him on it?
tell the other player his opponent was cheating on him? or say nothing because it was not your game.
Have you ever had some one cheat in a game you played?


I'd just pack up & go or play someone who is not a git. Sure I am a tournament player BUT I do not like cheating, anyone try it will be pulled up as it pretty sad to cheat instead of useing tactics/your brain. It just as bad as comp onoins who moan when they loss.

While saying of a tournament, hell yeah I will pull someone up if I see it or if it happen against me. As it dose say in the rule pack, anyone who cheat will be banned from tournament events & I find there no honour in it. Also it not very sportman like.

As for watching games, sure I will tell the person who got cheated against or I will stay "no this is how that rule works". As it unfair for them to be cheated. They come for a good laught & then some git try to pull them over.

As for cheating against me by a oppent. Had it a few times. A noob in my old local GW a few year ago (back when Necron where release), he argue with me over my Necrons, I was very sick/unwell that the time & I just back up & repoted him to the staffer, just because 1: he cheated & 2: he was being very insulting & argue even when I shown him the codex AND rule book, also on that note I did go "well if you want I will ask the staffer" with him going "no, but it said here" & me going "well rule book & my codex say other wise". The kid is also banned from a local tournament because me & my friends caught him cheating. The old locak GW close down, so I attend GW Glasgow now, but the GW the kid attend, I been in now & then & still see him cheating other. Last time I was in, everone refure to fight him.

While another person in my current GW, he a bad winner & bad losser as well as a well know cheat. He cheat when ever he can & it came to a point everone refure to fight him & then he got banned from any specil event ran in my GW like a Bloodbowl tournament & now he banned out right from Games Workshop, last I hear just because he cheated & insulted people as well as the staffers, swear that them I belive. All I can say is thank ******* because he would never let it go that I won best painted army in my local GW last year & that Greame McNeil really like my Chaos conversion, now if the git won the painting comp he be shoven it in my face. As said he a bad losser & bad winner, will alway shove it in your face if he wins or moan if he loss, ether way he cheat. But he now none longer back in my GW :D

I mean fair dues if someone dose not know the rules or getting use to a new army, I am ok with that if they do somthing by mistake & then go to me next time, "aye I use this rule wrong, it ment to be... (show me codex) so sorry about that" as we all make mistake when useing a new army,. But as said cheating just wrong & unfair why bother playing the game that all.

IP

ss_cherubael
16-09-2006, 13:48
i cant stand cheating its one of the worst things you can do, there is no honour in a win from cheating! (and im a dark elf???????). This is a hard subject though as cheating is very hard to identify, and even in its most blatant forms it can be explained away (the one exception is loaded dice). Worse than that i regularly have to sift through this type of problem as there is a person in our gaming group who is prone to cheating but some of his antics seem to be believeable misunderstandings. And as someone else said not many people play wargames and finding people to play is not easy as such we can not simply kick someone out and get another gamer in to fill the spot. And i think hes getting better as he gets older. so all in all cheating does occur and where it does it should be stamped out but in reality that cant always happen, just take it as a complement if someone does and then beat the snot out of them and show them the error of their ways!

Crazy Harborc
17-09-2006, 04:43
If someone cheats to win a game that is NOT for keeps, just for fun......How far will they go when it is for keeps, a prize/award or whatever?? Do you want to trust that person with anything you really value?? What will the cheater do when money is involved?

WillFightForFood
17-09-2006, 06:00
Frankly, cheating doesn't suprise me these days at all.
How many video game players do you know that use cheat codes or a device called a gameshark?

That's a big logical jump you're making there. It is doubtful that the simple existence and use of cheat codes and things like gameshark presages a rise in cheating in board games. Some "cheat" codes exist solely for the purpose of enhancing the gameplay or adding fun element. For instance the cheat code "Big Daddy" on the original Age of Empires gave you a car with a nuclear missile launcher on the top. Don't assume there's one right way to play a game and that the only appropriate level of difficultly or options is that which is set in stone in the basic manual. But if developers include cheat codes doesn't that mean they realize different people may get different things out of a game playing it differently?

The big difference between the situations (video game codes vs. tabletop cheating) is that in that situation one person is setting the rules of the game, therefore it's not so much cheating, as no one is being cheated or harmed by the "cheat" (unless you believe that game developers should dictate how we enjoy what we purchase and play by ourselves). In the tabletop situation both players are agreeing to a specific set of rules (either implicitly or explicitly), and then there is an aggrieved party when someone breaks that agreement. There are a lot of reasons why that may happen (not going to go into that here).

razialx
18-09-2006, 13:39
Back in the days of 2nd edition, this is painful to talk about...

I was in a tournament that spanned months. My partner was a great older guy (I was but a lad) and he had his own chapter of space marines. Frankly, I had no idea what I was doing back then.

One week, my partner wasn't able to be there so I had to play alone. These two guys in the league who were 'big college kids' and had _sweet_ armorcast tanks for their Eldar army were my opponents.

The league was 2000pt battles. These guys took over 3000 points worth. I knew something had to be wrong, we were both Eldar and they just outnumbered me so badly.

After a couple turns of getting destroyed, I was pretty upset(remember, a kid here). The comic shop owner noticed that something was off, looked at their army list and realized they cheated. They did it because they knew they were playing a child. So, was the round forfeit? No. They got scolded, but kept the victory, and because of that I was out of the running for top place.

Sigh.

I hope I find those jerks one day in a shop.

Neknoh
18-09-2006, 14:00
Excuse me, but... why are you fielding three exalted daemons and a Chaos Lord on a Dragon in the same two thousand point army?

The dude tried to convince me that he was allowed four characters and not character slots, common mistake on these forums some time ago IIRC, I then simply asked him why an exalted daemon took up two hero choices and an Exalted Champion didn't.

He packed up his list and left.

or when I simply asked a gamer in another game politely why he hadn't taken any crumbling tests for three turns, seeing as his general got hit by a hellcannon on round one.

Simsandwich
18-09-2006, 19:59
Ah, me and my mate often "let it slide" as we are just crazy like that.
Sometimes we just make up the rules as we go along, having a "funny" game like that is great.
"So Your Lascannon is strength 2 Heavy 1?"
"I hate your S9 Lasguns"
"Oh yeah my warboss has a mega kill everything ordnance attack."

Madfool2
18-09-2006, 20:27
Those sound like fun games, it would be a dream for eldar guardian's.
"What?...36" Shuriken catapults!, Really!".
Anyway thats off topic, getting on topic.

I was playing against this kid who wanted me to "Be smashed by his grand army of black templar's", his list was illegel, it was only minor, but that wasen't worst of it.
I had killed an assault squad, 3 terminators and his chaplain in one turn of tau shooting.
He then proceeds to put 2 terminators back on half the assault squad and puts the chaplain back on next to the assault squad.
So in TSOALR form, i smacked him with my army list (no, seriously, i did), it was in a GW store and a staff member, whos a great guy saw it, took me aside and gave me a victory in the store campaign because i managed to cope with his constant bickering.

I then felt deaf for 10 mins when he left the store.

Crazy Harborc
19-09-2006, 00:46
So far the only opponents I wondered about seem to have moved on. It's been many years since they were around.

IMHO, there is a much greater chance that some cheaters really think they arn't cheating.

Drogmir
19-09-2006, 03:53
I remember some guy next to me was trying to be a smartass and impress his girlfriend by saying " Oh My God this games a haxor dude!" After something like 10 SM died because of *********** power weapons

wrecking_crew
19-09-2006, 04:22
I have had the unhappy experience to run up against cheaters...in the context of tournament play. I got severly angry, threw a fit, complained to the judge, yelled and huffed...and all it got me was a ruined afternoon.

These days, if I see someone blatantly cheating that I know "knows better" I dont sweat it. It certainly not worth the aggrivation. I will quietly finish up the game, and move on, and never play that particular player again.

Naturally, I will let everyone know afterwords, and maybe throw in a dispariging word here or there, but nothing to bring about a confrontation. It a game...for fun.

squiggoth
19-09-2006, 14:20
The big difference between the situations (video game codes vs. tabletop cheating) is that in that situation one person is setting the rules of the game, therefore it's not so much cheating, as no one is being cheated or harmed by the "cheat".

Unless you're playing online off course. Nothing is as annoying as playing Call of Duty and getting shot through the head constantly by some idiot little brat who has his right hand directing his aimbotting, wallhacking mouse, and his left hand doing god-knows-what in his trousers to celebrate his haxxorness. :eyebrows:
That's where Punkbuster comes in - cheat with online games on a Punkbuster-supported server and you get a permanent global ban. Problem solved! :)

Certain Warhammer players could do with a global ban as well. There's loads of Warhammer video games available that can be played in single player mode. :p

WillFightForFood
19-09-2006, 15:32
Unless you're playing online off course. Nothing is as annoying as playing Call of Duty and getting shot through the head constantly by some idiot little brat who has his right hand directing his aimbotting, wallhacking mouse, and his left hand doing god-knows-what in his trousers to celebrate his haxxorness. :eyebrows:
That's where Punkbuster comes in - cheat with online games on a Punkbuster-supported server and you get a permanent global ban. Problem solved! :)

Certain Warhammer players could do with a global ban as well. There's loads of Warhammer video games available that can be played in single player mode. :p

Actually I was referring to a single player game. In a multiplayer game you are agreeing to a set of common rules by playing with others, in a single player game you aren't.

Punkbuster is a poor solution, there are always people cheating because it's imperfect and can only deal with a limited range of cheats. It also causes a lot of hassles and sometimes tags innocent people as cheaters. Just like people playing a table top game. People have to want to not cheat, and a global ban isn't going to fix that.

maze ironheart
19-09-2006, 21:17
I need to know if this is true because iam not sure about it can repeater cross bows move and shoot because i played some one who played as 1500 dark elfs and i used dwarfs 1500 he had 4 units of dark elf worriors with repeater cross bows and 2 bolt throwers and a unit of 20 corsairs and a unit of unit of 7 cold one knights with 1 nobel on a cold one and some magic sword that allowed him to cut throw armour and some dark elf riders.I did not move my men at all but he kept moving his dark elf worriors forward and said he is going to shoot i fought that repeater cross bows followed the same rules as crossbows but just where strength 3 and could shoot twicehe kept saying no they can move and shoot i let him have it because i was not sure but i need it cleared up the next time i fight him again the game ended in a draw.

EvC
19-09-2006, 22:16
They are not listed as "move or shoot", so Dark Elves can indeed move and shoot with them. Just think about it: why would Dark Riders (Fast Cavalry) want to take Repeater Crossbows if they weren't allowed to move and shoot with them?