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philbrad2
24-09-2006, 13:20
UK Came out early (around 1:30pm having seen everything. To be honest a disappointing Gamesday. Not much in the way of stuff we've not already seen. No evidence of any DarK Angels. Lots of Eldar though and very nice the models are too.

Couple of things of note :

Forgeworld had a WIP of the forthcoming Greater Daemon of Nurgle (think the illustration from the old 'Slaves to the Darkness' book
Imperial Armour 5 will be over two tomes. vol 1 includes Death Corps of Kriegs vs Chaos Renegades. Spoke to Tony Cotterill at length about this the book will be centred around trench warfare and the Chaos Renegade force will be more aligned as 'Traitor Guard' than a LaTD type army. FW are working on 'renegade' conversion for IG models for this range, Conversions ofr Leman Russ, Chimera's etc.. possible some new designs also. Vol 2 will be siege warfare with siege engines both from Chaos and the Adeptus Mechanicus. FW WILL be doing an AM range of minis.
Death Korps of Krieg Grenadiers are being worked on and a rather funky 2 man Flamer teams as well.
Manta is fricking hooooge, a very impressive model.
Design Studio stand was awash with the design team wanting to talk about Eldar I couldn't get anythign out of the beyond this. Hopefully someone else has.
We got in with the Golden Daemon entries and made our way to retail and the Eldar pre-releases were soon snapped up. So snapped up everythign bar a few new battleforces had gone!
Golden Daemon some very cool models though I felt not as much was in evidence as in previous years.




Pics will follow when editted and uploaded ... stand by.

:chrome:

Charax
24-09-2006, 13:34
Nice work, Phil - shame you found it disappointing, but the info on the new IA book/s is new to me.

*Please* tell me you got a pic of the GUO...

oh, did you (or anyone else, for that matter) grab any info on Aeronautica Imperialis?

philbrad2
24-09-2006, 13:36
OK a few piccies for you ....


Great Unclean One :-

http://www.retribution40k.net/GD2006/GUO.jpg

http://www.retribution40k.net/GD2006/P9250020.jpg

The finished and painted Tau Manta

http://www.retribution40k.net/GD2006/P9250018.jpg

Chaos Militia Accessories

http://www.retribution40k.net/GD2006/P9250030.jpg


DoK photos below ...

philbrad2
24-09-2006, 13:36
... and here they are

DoK Grenadiers and Flamer Team

http://www.retribution40k.net/GD2006/P9250025.jpg
http://www.retribution40k.net/GD2006/P9250029.jpg
http://www.retribution40k.net/GD2006/P9250024.jpg

:chrome:

Charax
24-09-2006, 13:39
....I love you, Phil

leonmallett
24-09-2006, 13:41
The Great unclean One looks like some fat evil child cum sumo wrestler - disgustingly great!

Your post reassures me that I didn't miss much.

philbrad2
24-09-2006, 13:41
Nice work, Phil - shame you found it disappointing, but the info on the new IA book/s is new to me.

*Please* tell me you got a pic of the GUO...

oh, did you (or anyone else, for that matter) grab any info on Aeronautica Imperialis?

Well the GUO pic is shown.

The mini for Aeronautica Imperialis are really cool. It doesn't interest me that much so I didn't look to much at it though I expect a posters will be able to fill you in. I might have some pics I've about 150 pics to go through from around Gamesday. I'll be posting a photo report as usual on ww.retribution40k.net when I've got it typed up and the photos chopped & cropped.

for those interested the DoW Dark Crusade expansion looks really good. I've played the Tau Demo already but the Hammerheads and Broddsides in the full version look bad-ass. Necron teleporting Monoliths are just plain nasty!


....I love you, Phil


Steady ... :D

:chrome:

Shibboleth
24-09-2006, 13:42
That Great Unclean One is one sexy abomination! :eek:

Isambard
24-09-2006, 13:53
That Nurgle beasty is superb, best Greater Daemon yet, it knocks the socks off the Avatar for sure!

Bloodknight
24-09-2006, 13:53
Was there anything about WFB (e.g. new Empire minis), which would be good for our rumour mill?

Dreachon
24-09-2006, 13:55
Wow, I certainly din't see that GUO coming, it's horrible, disgusting:p , can't wait to see the final product.
What news was there baout other traitor guard kist.

Rictus
24-09-2006, 13:56
Nice work, Phil - shame you found it disappointing, but the info on the new IA book/s is new to me.

*Please* tell me you got a pic of the GUO...

oh, did you (or anyone else, for that matter) grab any info on Aeronautica Imperialis?

Tony Cottrell (sp?) said that AI should be out in about three months. Rules are done and set, the campaign, background material etc should be written in about a month and a half. Followed by a month and a half for printing.

I should have some pictures up soon as well.

Railgunner
24-09-2006, 13:57
I might have some pics I've about 150 pics to go through from around Gamesday. I'll be posting a photo report as usual on ww.retribution40k.net when I've got it typed up and the photos chopped & cropped.


Can you post a link to it when you've done it??

Railgunner

firestorm40k
24-09-2006, 14:02
Nice one, Phil! :cool: Loving that Great Unclean One - definitive Nurglish goodness!

And I'm very excited about the prospect of Ad Mech stuff from FW. Although I've enough armies to be making without starting another... ;) :D

philbrad2
24-09-2006, 14:03
Can you post a link to it when you've done it??

Railgunner


Report will be on my site WWW.RETRIBUTION40K.NET either later tonight or tomorrow, there's a fair few pics need some work on before I can upload them and the report pages. Soon as its live you'll see a link on the front page of WWW.RETRIBUTION40K.NET

:chrome:

Mechanicus
24-09-2006, 14:11
Imperial Armour 5 will be over two tomes. vol 1 includes Death Corps of Kriegs vs Chaos Renegades. Spoke to Tony Cotterill at length about this the book will be centred around trench warfare and the Chaos Renegade force will be more aligned as 'Traitor Guard' than a LaTD type army. FW are working on 'renegade' conversion for IG models for this range, Conversions ofr Leman Russ, Chimera's etc.. possible some new designs also. Vol 2 will be siege warfare with siege engines both from Chaos and the Adeptus Mechanicus. FW WILL be doing an AM range of minis.

You've made my day! This is the best news I've heard in a long time! :D :D :p

firestorm40k
24-09-2006, 14:17
You've made my day! This is the best news I've heard in a long time! :D :D :p

Indeed! FW's releases are becoming more exciting than GW's 'official' ones. What's that about GW NOT giving gamers what they really want..? ;)

Hellfury
24-09-2006, 15:08
There is some very cool new stuff there, but I am very saddened by the absence of any new DA rumours. I was really hoping someone there was going to spill a couple beans about DA, atleast confirming or denying any rumours that have been floating around for awhile.

If DA are in fact relased in march, as rumoured, then we barely just got left out of the proposed "6 month rumour window".

I hope somebody else who has gone there has something different and a bit more encouraging for us deathwing players out there.

DCLXVI
24-09-2006, 15:11
WOW! Thanks for sharing! About time they got the GUO looking like he should - guts spilling out etc - disgustingly delicious!
The Adeptus Mechanicus news is simply great! Might decide to do them instead of Dark Angels yet..
Again thanks a lot!
:D :D :D

Morgrin
24-09-2006, 15:13
Cheers! Thanks for reporting! :)

t-tauri
24-09-2006, 17:10
To echo Phil, I was out by lunchtime. Very disappointing. Main points what I got:

Dark Angels next starting just before Christmas with the main releases early 2007, two plastic sprues with lots of pads and icons. GM Ravenwing on a jetbike and a selection of generic librarians in metal.

No GW Eldar avatar, just the old one reblistered.

Forgeworld-what Phil said, plus Trench ladders and assorted kit for trench models. IA5 March April 2007 includes mainly traitor guard and Imperials with a smattering of space marines. The next IA6 deals with the escalation and brings in Chaos Marines, Daemon Engines, (Defiler conversion kits mentioned as a possibility.), Titans and big stuff.

Aeronautica Imperialis looks impressive as do the FW painted versions.

Hellfury
24-09-2006, 17:14
Well paying 20 GBP would make me quite peeved if the quality was that lack luster.

Thanks for the slight tidbit about the DA though, at least it has official confirmation that they will be released next, hopefully no later than march.

Insane Psychopath
24-09-2006, 17:20
The next IA6 deals with the escalation and brings in Chaos Marines, Daemon Engines, (Defiler conversion kits mentioned as a possibility.),



Did they say which Chaos Legion????

As for the DA stuff, seem I will have to re-do my Raven Wing army after all, but hay that least I get to use new models :D

Thanks for the info, really like the Forge World great Unclean one.

IP

EsDawg
24-09-2006, 17:22
The finished and painted Tau Manta

http://www.retribution40k.net/GD2006/P9250018.jpg


Dude it's the Gekko State from the Eureka Seven anime series!! If I got one of those that's how I'd paint it at least :D

Flame of Udun
24-09-2006, 17:28
Philbrad, thou art a mini god! That GD of Nurgle is so shiny! best of the lot so far :) Cheers dude!

Bregalad
24-09-2006, 17:53
The Great Unclean One looks pretty ... ah .... well ....
For me the best news is the confimed FW release of Adeptus Mechanicus models. They have so much potential! Hopefully not only titans, but also "lesser" stuff.

Inquisitor lorr
24-09-2006, 17:58
Well i picked some of the guys brains as well and:

-DA soon... ( i know everyone knows)
-Chaos terminators for definite,undivided,not legion specific.
-Necrons are coming soonish(upwards of 3 years time) and will have a major re-hash.

And i can't remember too much else that hasn't already been said(and isn't fantasy)

Also-i would say Games day generally was a bit of a let down.But i loved 'cos i just spent the whole thing talking to Darren latham,Neil langdown,Seb perbet and another nice gentleman whos name has slipped my memory.But they were all great,very nice helpful and genuine people-:p

EDIT: oh yeah,i picked up some death korps too-:D

rkunisch
24-09-2006, 18:01
-Necrons are coming soonish(upwards of 3 years time) and will have a major re-hash.
Can you please tell us a little more what that means? What have you asked and how have your question answered?

Have fun,

Rolf.

Tooooon
24-09-2006, 18:06
Just to let you guys know, I currently have 1hour 30mins of camcorder footage of Games Day, and shall be editting it tonight and during the week, and posting it up on youtube! :D

Including pretty much every aspect of games day, humourous moments, new models (harlies, whooo!), etc....

And to be honest, I really enjoyed it! ;) Great fun! (even though there were numerous downsides, but still)

Glyndwr
24-09-2006, 18:06
I have to agree with the first post. This games day was not as good as last year. There were no seminars, which was my fav from last year. And generally a very poor show. It was quite clear based on what was on offer that the full eldar range and the next release were no where in sight. There wasn't even a copy of the eldar codex on display. There was a dwarf one last year. Everyone I talked to seemed to only want to talk about current designs.

Forgeworld on the other hand were great. Open about whats coming, time scales, what to expect and look forward to. My hats go off to you all.

I am starting to think that the success of this forum is having an impact one GW policy on what they do talk about. The six month window is not even there any more. In the next six months I would of expected to talk about orc / gobin, Eldar, Empire and Dark Angels. The window this time was about a month and a bit. Not all of the harlies were on display only the one's released last night. Does this sound to you that GW have finally got control of their information flow? Control of press releases? I think so.

G.

Ki-Adi-Monkey
24-09-2006, 18:07
Yeah I felt it was a bit disapointing this year, I left at about 12:20pm. The only good stuff on display was at FW (the Death Korps minis are amazing).

Also, the BL didn't have the new gaunts ghosts book avaliable :(

Still it must have been good for eldar players who wanted the pre releases, as long as they got there quickly (the wraithlord kits went in about 20 minutes, everything else after a couple of hours). IIRC they had Eldar battleforces, Dire Avengers, Wraithlords, War Walkers, new Farseer, and some of the new metal aspects for sale (so :p to those of you who said there wouldn't be much eldar pre-releases and no metals, you know who you are ;) ).

Rob

Inquisitor lorr
24-09-2006, 18:08
Can you please tell us a little more what that means? What have you asked and how have your question answered?

Have fun,

Rolf.

Well it went along the lines of this:

Me: so what armies are coming soon(i then listed them and he said either no seriously,or no whilst nodding his head and laughing.So are necrons being done
Him:No
Me: oh right-;)
Him:If they were to be done,i would think they would be done in about 3 or more years and if they were ever were done it would be quite major and take a while.

Take it as you will,but it sounds like necrons are in the pipeline.This also goes with something a high up GW member told me a year ago,that was that he was told necrons were being redone.He said he was told everything for the next 5 years ,so that would work out that necrons would arrive in a bout 3 and a half years,so they do seem to corroborate each other.

EDIT: ooh -i just remembered something-all the harlies are separate at the waste so they can all be mixed and matched.Very cool.

ghost hunter
24-09-2006, 18:17
thanks for those phili love those havy flamer teams and i am realy looking forward to the trench warfare .

Im so starting death korps :D

WiganUltra
24-09-2006, 18:19
Well I had a nightmare today.

Went straight to FW when I got in, for a Kroot Bird and in the vain hope they'd have an Avatar left. They didn't, and even the bird was sold out.

So I moved on to the GW sales stand. They had some Eldar left - Falcons and Guardians.

A bit later we were at the Black Library stand. I asked if they had Xenology. They didn't, and I also found out that Farseer has been out of print for some time, so I couldn't get that either.

At roughly 2.30 we were near FW again when my mate spotted that there was a sale on!! The large scale collector type models and busts were being sold at £10 instead of £35!! Spying Asurmen on the board, I dived in. About 3 seconds later the Asurmen sheet was ripped down - sold out. Gutted, I walked away, but returned a minute later and asked for the Space Wolf. The guy went to the boxes and came back empty handed - none left. What do you have to do to get a model on GD??!!

Sorry for the rant, but it was all so frustrating!

That aside, GD was, well disappointing. Never having been before I expected a lot more. For the admission price you seem to get absolutely nothing. It just seemed like Golden Daemon and a chance to buy new stuff for the first 5 people in the queue. Was nice to see some models in the flesh, but the only new thing was the GUO.

Ah well. My Avatar is ordered and my mate's Daemon entry made it through the 1st judging phase, so it wasn't all bad.

Better than sitting at home, but unless it improves a lot, I'll only go again if I'm entering Golden Daemon.

t-tauri
24-09-2006, 18:22
Also, the BL didn't have the new gaunts ghosts book avaliable :( I thought that was a disgrace, TBH, since they'd trailed it extensively.


Still it must have been good for eldar players who wanted the pre releases, as long as they got there quickly (the wraithlord kits went in about 20 minutes, everything else after a couple of hours). IIRC they had Eldar battleforces, Dire Avengers, Wraithlords, War Walkers, new Farseer, and some of the new metal aspects for sale (so :p to those of you who said there wouldn't be much eldar pre-releases and no metals, you know who you are ;) ).
Pretty much what I expected though the level of stock was poor. Another wind up was that they had no specialist Games stuff on the stalls so I'll have to get the new Redemptionists mail order. :(

Tooooon
24-09-2006, 18:34
I thought that was a disgrace, TBH, since they'd trailed it extensively.

Pretty much what I expected though the level of stock was poor. Another wind up was that they had no specialist Games stuff on the stalls so I'll have to get the new Redemptionists mail order. :(

I agree that the eldar stuff went as quick as anything, and the amount of stock for other things (especially 40k wise) wasnt too good also.

But according to one of the red shirt peepings they had 400 warwalkers alone which were gone by 11ish I think it was.

But still, should have been prepared

Glyndwr
24-09-2006, 18:38
The lack of specialist games was pretty poor. I have wanted to play epic for a while at club. Without support at these events no one will want to. One guy I was with wanted a blood bowl team. He was told he could order one but he would have to pay postage. A little harsh I thought.

G.

ANotherFarseer
24-09-2006, 18:39
There is some very cool new stuff there, but I am very saddened by the absence of any new DA rumours. I was really hoping someone there was going to spill a couple beans about DA, atleast confirming or denying any rumours that have been floating around for awhile.

If DA are in fact relased in march, as rumoured, then we barely just got left out of the proposed "6 month rumour window".

I hope somebody else who has gone there has something different and a bit more encouraging for us deathwing players out there.

people were very tight lipped about the DA, most people said "what Dark Angels release?" Owen Reese did say when asked we were in for a treat and thats as much info as I got. People did say the 6 month window has been cut to 3 :(

Brimstone
24-09-2006, 18:40
-Necrons are coming soonish(upwards of 3 years time) and will have a major re-hash.

Necrons will be redone at some point and yes they will have a major overhaul but I would not like to put any specific date to it.

Commissar Vaughn
24-09-2006, 18:46
the eldar codex was there I belive, but only one copy. I caught a brief glimpse of the colour pics.

Didnt seem a bad day, some nice games and displays, and the death korps look amazing! Pity all the stands ran out of stuff so fast! Why do they bother stocking stuff there that you can get in the store? Chester store opened specially after we got back for all the old/mundane stuff!

Especially liked the large scale warhammer game, with all the dice and figures and rulebooks etc built 3 times normal size (I asume they were the figs you get before they use the pantograph machine thingy to get the proper size from the larger sculpts...) and the huge necron V guard fight.

Mark of chaos looked good too, but age of reckoning didnt look as good as mount and blade to be honest!

Cloud Runner
24-09-2006, 18:47
I was kinda cheesed at missing GD as I thought that there might be some mention of my hallowed Dark Angels.

I'm glad I didn't go now, as it looks like I would've been greatly disappointed.

What's this "you're in for a treat" melarky all about? Everything that GW releases is supposed to be a "big treat".

Sorry for ranting, but as a long time DA player (like many others) I was really looking forward to even just a few rumour confirmations.

Here's hoping that someone did manage to get some tid-bits, and will post them later

Tom
24-09-2006, 19:23
t-Tauri, is it actually possible foryou to be remotely happy about anything, ever? All you ever seem to do is moan.


I really rathwer enjoyed it myself. If you're not going to treat it as a social event rather than some kind of 'grab stuff and leech what you can out of GW' thing (I think for the whole day the only design studio people I chatted to were two of the FW team (The IA5 siege thing. You expected Chaos to be the attackers? So did I. They aren't.) and Jes, because he's fantastic. Very polite and not at all full of himself.

If you expect to get into there early enough to buy advance stuff, have the common sense to realise it'll be in demand. They had about three to five hundred War walkers there which were gone by half ten. Paint something up, enter GD. I green-dotted. :D

philbrad2
24-09-2006, 19:26
Just to let you guys know, I currently have 1hour 30mins of camcorder footage of Games Day, and shall be editting it tonight and during the week, and posting it up on youtube!

And to be honest, I really enjoyed it! ;) Great fun! (even though there were numerous downsides, but still)


Hope you got the guy in the Tau Firewarrior costume he was ace!


t-Tauri, is it actually possible foryou to be remotely happy about anything, ever? All you ever seem to do is moan.

I've been going to UK Gamesday since about 1995 and this year was overall the weakest events I've been to. If you enjoyed this year think of the time you'd have had at the others. I must say after UKGD 2005 I was really looking forward to this years event and was let down.

Couple of points :

Revised layout wasn't overly good, last year was about right TBH.

Small Black Library stand

No Black Library or Forgeworld seminars. (I've given up on there ever being another 40K seminar looks like GW simply can't be bothered at all anymore apart from try to sell us more stuff.)

Golden Daemon , some great models but the quality and quantity of entires wasn't as good as 2005.

GW Design stand sucked so much it could have been mistaken for a black hole! Nothing 'new' on show at all. Very small stand in fact. What happened here? Last year we saw the Vespids a good 5-6 months before they came out. Where was the DA stuff, even if only artwork? What else apart from the Eldar which we've seen pics of in some case for months now.

Guys on the tooling & mould stands were great, had a real good natter to them and a look over GW's new CAD/CAM processes they even had some of the computer based 'sculpting' kit there for us to have a go on. Pleasure to see a bunch of guys so motivated by what they do. Credit to the company.

FW stands have become the highlight of the show for several years now for me. All the guys always willing to have a natter about their models and up and coming project. Tony C is simply a STAR! FW made UKGD 2006 for me.



I really rathwer enjoyed it myself. If you're not going to treat it as a social event rather than some kind of 'grab stuff and leech what you can out of GW' thing (I think for the whole day the only design studio people I chatted to were two of the FW team (The IA5 siege thing. You expected Chaos to be the attackers? So did I. They aren't.) and Jes, because he's fantastic. Very polite and not at all full of himself.

If you expect to get into there early enough to buy advance stuff, have the common sense to realise it'll be in demand. They had about three to five hundred War walkers there which were gone by half ten. Paint something up, enter GD. I green-dotted.

Glad you got into the ethos of the day TOM and this no doubt added to your enjoyment. Yeah the Eldar stuff did go pretty quick, we got in through the entrance for Golden Daemon (my son was entering in young bloods) and by the time we'd gotten down to retail there wasn't much left apart form Eldar Battleforces and they soon went. But for me there was something lacking at UKGD 2006 I can't quite put my finger on it but it just wasn't as much 'fun' as previous years -perhaps I'm getting old :D (no sarcy comments or you'll get a strike ;) )

On the rumour front I think there are a couple of Gamesdays left before the end of the year and they'll give us details of the Dark Angels etc... UKGD 2006 has seen the veil coming off the Eldar as the 'big thing' - trouble is a lot of use have seen pics of these models for months no, particualrly those who frequent the mighty 'Seer.

:chrome:

Tom
24-09-2006, 19:28
Hope you got the guy in the Tau Firewarrior costume he was ace!

:chrome:

Think he'sthe same guy thatwent as the Kasrkin last year. It's the little things that make you smile. And the big things. Someone went as a Space Marine. A true-scale space marine.

Tooooon
24-09-2006, 19:30
hehe, the Fire Warrior posing for pictures was funny, especially when people were shouting "You Traitors!" lol as well as my thought of "Xeno-ality" O.o (The new form of Beastiality... hey, it technically could be classed as such)

The space wolf dude was insane, wearing that all day must have been fun, but bleedin exhaustin.

Ahhh well, nice costumes though! ^^

~Dave

Daemon Prince Adramalech
24-09-2006, 19:30
Well i must admit to echoing my esteemed collegue PhilB's (Heh tried to ring you to meet up dude but my battery died...AGAIN!) statement's. Quite a lack luster GD as GD's go, definatley not worth standing 2 hours in the pouring rain. I was gone by 1.30 although as i was more or less first in the Q i did manage to get all the shiny new Eldar toys including the Avatar (which was broken i might add!). The new Eldar codex is a masterpiece however and it was nice to catch up with my old mate Phil Kelly again (liking the beard by the way bud!). Seems that the only new toys you get to see nowadays are Forgeworld. Perhaps GW will learn that showing new toys is part of what Games Day is all about. This whole 6month/3month window thing has gone too far.

Raibaru
24-09-2006, 19:32
Yea, I noticed a steady decline in gamesdays here in the states too. I've been going to Gamesday Baltimore for about 5 years now and each year I get the feeling that they have the same crap for sale as the last. think this year the power point slides didn't even change.

Doubt I will go to a gamesday again unless I start reading reports in them turning around. I only go for the seminars and I feel like the only people who wanted to be there were the guys from Mythic.

t-tauri
24-09-2006, 19:37
t-Tauri, is it actually possible foryou to be remotely happy about anything, ever? No. It isn't. :(

If you expect to get into there early enough to buy advance stuff, have the common sense to realise it'll be in demand. They had about three to five hundred War walkers there which were gone by half ten. Oh, I got lots of pre-release stuff thanks very much. It's just the other people faced with empty tables I felt some sympathy with.

I just feel that Games Day is turning from a decent event which had some unique events like the seminars is becoming little more than a giant, poorly stocked, GW shop transplanted to the NEC. I've been going to Games Days on and off since 1980 and that was probably the least enjoyable one I've seen. Loved the FW stand, enjoyed the studio, had a great discussion with the plastic moulding managers but the BL stand, the computer games and the main GW retail area. Meh. I'll have to think strongly about whether to go next year.

Daemon Prince Adramalech
24-09-2006, 19:44
I just feel that Games Day is turning from a decent event which had some unique events like the seminars is becoming little more than a giant, poorly stocked, GW shop transplanted to the NEC.

My sentiments exactly, i saw todays event as pretty much a very long very expensive, very tiring shopping trip. Yeah it was cool to see a few old faces again but the event seems to have lost its focus. Its like a giant Warhammer World just without the cool architecture. Games Day used to be a chance for GW to shine and tempt us with another year or so's worth of toys. Something needs to be looked at for next year or i can see myself not attending.

DPA

Quinch
24-09-2006, 19:47
Hello everyone!

Just got back from GD. Picked up one tidbit from Phil Kelly while I was there: there are no plans to do anything with the Ulthw Strike Force in the future. Apparently as a sublist of a sublist it's not likely ever to receive any attention. :cries:

We also discussed the possibility of a Harlies list at some point in the future; he agreed with me that the USF's webway mechanic might be very relevant to the Harlequins...

Don't know if this is news to anyone else but it interested me so I thought I'd share it.

Rork
24-09-2006, 19:56
Golden Daemon , some great models but the quality and quantity of entires wasn't as good as 2005.


You're not wrong...:wtf:

shady
24-09-2006, 19:59
I also left around 1.30. General impressions:

* lots of Eldar previews, little others for GW. One Empire poster at Design Team stand which was artwork with "coming soon" written across it, and some v small vignettes of the models (I didn't have a camera, maybe someone else could make it out). Last year there was Dwarfs, BT, Tau/Vespid previews, this year next to nothing
* lots of O&G boxes. Otherwise, most ranges didn't have even complete collections of boxes (blisters are difficult since they have to police for pilfering) even very basic stuff was sold out by 13.00. You'd be better off going to your local GW (which doesn't charge 25 to get in) if you want to buy stuff (this applies to books and models).
* no specialist stuff on sale at all apart from about 4 rule books, and a panel of models by the design team (I don't think there was anything new in there though)
* less room for sabertooth and historicals, a bit more for RPG (since more books around than last year). Maybe more historicals demos going on though.
* BL was indeed poor showing - very few books, no hardback fiction. Kept selling out of Galaxy in Flames and then finding new boxes. Only background books I saw were I think Index Astartes and Liber Chaotica.
* FW was about as chaotic and overcrowded as last year. Some extra space for the Aeronautica game, which looks great. Ironically I think this could be the only 'specialist" game by next year.

What took up the missing space?
* bit more space for FW, but it was still 6 deep. The problem with the limited editions they do (like the Kroot bird) is that they're just eBay fodder. Check out the number of Kroot birds for sale this time tomorrow.
* mainly, computer games - mark of chaos, the next DoW expansion and the MMORPG (all of which looked great) took up most of one room
* a fair amount of stuff discussing the manufacturing process - this compressed the space for the design team (last year they were on separate stands)
* the corridor which last year had concept art for the BT this year went back to just a corridor

Would like to see next year:
* properly stocked sales areas for models and books
* specialist games comeback, or just give them to FW
* put FW previews and catalogs somewhere else from the store area
* more previews. I guess if O&G had come out next weekend rather than this, it would have felt different from that point of view.

SilverTabby
24-09-2006, 19:59
GW Design stand sucked so much it could have been mistaken for a black hole! Nothing 'new' on show at all. Very small stand in fact. What happened here? Last year we say the Vespids a good 5-6 months before they came out. Where was the DA stuff even if only artwork? What else apart from the Eldar which we've seen pics of in some case for months now.
Sorry, that's what happens when people insist on getting leaks and rumours so far in advance. You want every scrap of information way before it comes out, then prepare to be disappointed when you know it all come official release. What was there was everything in the 6month release window that Games Day allows. Both armies shown in the EM department were unreleased and coming out over the next 6 months. There were special characters there that aren't coming out til almost Easter.

Halat
24-09-2006, 20:02
Did anyone see the Sisters of Battle in one of the display cases with the painted Harlequins, I don't know if they were converted or not but I definitely hadn't seen them before.

As for the day itself, it did feel rather lacking though I suspect that is because I am not as young as I use to be.:(

boogle
24-09-2006, 20:03
looks like is didn't miss much, bit gutted about there being no Armour of Contempt, was looking forward to getting my copy tomorrow, will just buy it from Amazon tomorrow, wonder if that affected the Dan Abnett signings. apparently i'm getting Orcslayer and the short story, did send a text asking for Galaxy in Flames and a couple of FW renegade sets, but Xhalax had her phone switched off. so the cheaperst Games day for me since i started going in 1999, when Xhalax gets back, i will have spent the grand total of approx £10 (£6.99 for Orcslayer and whatever the short story costed)

BTW silvertabby, Empire and Dark angels are both within the 6 month window, so waht you say is actually wrong, however if, they've cut it down to 3 months, then fair enough

t-tauri
24-09-2006, 20:04
* put FW previews and catalogs somewhere else from the store area
Absolutely. People had to fight their way to the front of the FW sales or design stand to pick up a catalogue and then stood there trying to decide what they wanted. A separate table with "Catalogues Here" would have made more sense.

Some areas of GD are almost empty, others packed to capacity. A little more thought would go a long way.

SilverTabby
24-09-2006, 20:05
The Sisters of Battle were the ones featured in the Cities of Death release in WD back in the early summer.

Inquisitor lorr
24-09-2006, 20:06
No. It isn't. :(
Oh, I got lots of pre-release stuff thanks very much. It's just the other people faced with empty tables I felt some sympathy with.
.

How???
Did you enter golden demon,cos i went in pretty much striaght away and got no pre releases(besides goblins,but i don't want them now)

ExquisiteEvil
24-09-2006, 20:07
You're not wrong...:wtf:


Oh dear God....!

Whilst on the subject - anyone got any pics of the winners/finalists?

philbrad2
24-09-2006, 20:17
just feel that Games Day is turning from a decent event which had some unique events like the seminars is becoming little more than a giant, poorly stocked, GW shop transplanted to the NEC. I've been going to Games Days on and off since 1980 and that was probably the least enjoyable one I've seen. Loved the FW stand, enjoyed the studio, had a great discussion with the plastic moulding managers but the BL stand, the computer games and the main GW retail area. Meh. I'll have to think strongly about whether to go next year.

Think you've hit it on the head for me actually. If you've only attended one or two gamesdays then your view will probably be different to those that have attended them for a number of years.

shady
24-09-2006, 20:18
Also ... when I got in, which was about 10.20 and at the entrance by FW (in the "forum"?), I asked the nearest GW guy where to get a program - the nearest ones were in the middle of the arena (I think there were more in the "pavilion"). Was this the case at 10am also? The programs were in the location furthest from any entrance?

Another thing that (literally) struck me (repeatedly). The Mark of Chaos guys were giving away huge posters. People would then roll them up and put them in their rucksacks (my view: ban large rucksacks from GD), obliviously belting large numbers of people as they cut a swathe through the crowded halls.

Tom
24-09-2006, 20:20
Absolutely. This was my fourth. As said, I still liked it, but not quite as much as last year.


But the NEC is FAR superior a venue to the NIA, let's face it.

Tooooon
24-09-2006, 20:21
No no no no, NIA had such an atmosphere about it that I will always prefer the NIA.

And to think, I only have been to a GD at the NIA once, and then it moved to NEC lol

Tom
24-09-2006, 20:23
But the NIA was like the Forgeworld stand, but everywhere. And by atmosphere, I detected several significant amounts of Methane and Sulphur dioxide whilst there. It did not smell nice there.

Actually, this year's GD did have an improvement there- they'd turned the aircon up a tad.

t-tauri
24-09-2006, 20:25
Also ... when I got in, which was about 10.20 and at the entrance by FW (in the "forum"?), I asked the nearest GW guy where to get a program - the nearest ones were in the middle of the arena (I think there were more in the "pavilion"). Was this the case at 10am also? The programs were in the location furthest from any entrance?
To give them their due, they didn't hand the programs out to the queue as they usually do as it was raining so heavily the few they gave out just turned to mush. They just didn't move them over when people entering didn't already have programs.

Chaos and Evil
24-09-2006, 20:25
I was saved from the smell by dint of a nice cold I've had for the last week. :D


Highpoints for me were the FW guys, buying a FW Slann (That I suggested they make a while back, heh), and having a very candid chat with Andy Hall on the future of Specialist Games.

primarch16
24-09-2006, 20:32
Well it was my first Games day, and I can say I enjoyed it, it was a good day out (even if I had to be up at 5 AM, urghhh). Whether it was worth the money to get in or not is another matter. I was a little overwhelmed by it all at first, just so many people. We arrived and qued for around 20 minutes, then we got in and my freind and I went starit to the eldar stand :D , each grabbing a box of dire avengers. I was dissapointed to find that they had already run out of all the other aspects and farseers (and wraithlords), I was really looking forward to getting some scorpions :(. Still, I got myself a battleforce too, and then the day generally revolved around having games and looking at new models. I would have liked to have done some converting and stuff but there were just too many people.

I learnt one or two things though:

-Get there early and you wont be dissapointed!
-Bring some of your models to play with, a good chance to face new gamers.
-Bring your own food, prices were ridiculouse.
-Get a good nights sleep beforehand (I feel like *****)

Gen.Steiner
24-09-2006, 20:36
...and having a very candid chat with Andy Hall on the future of Specialist Games.

And? What did he say? Tell us, you swine, tell us! :mad: :p

Daemon Prince Adramalech
24-09-2006, 20:37
Was i the only person in the entirety of games day to get one of each box of the new eldar toys? (3 of each if you count wraithlords and war walkers) and the Avatar?

*Dodges the flaming torch and pitchfork that gets thrown at him*

Wolf Scout Ewan
24-09-2006, 20:42
I wonder how many Wraithlords will be up on Ebay tomorrow?

Latro_
24-09-2006, 20:43
none of you see these bad boys (grrls) at the BL stand?

http://www.nickm.co.uk/images/Dsc00006x.jpg

sorry phone pic, dont do them justice, soooo nice. Range of models based on John Blanc art.
mmm

***********
EDIT: website for the mini's is here: http://www.femmemilitant.com/

Inquisitor lorr
24-09-2006, 20:45
To give them their due, they didn't hand the programs out to the queue as they usually do as it was raining so heavily the few they gave out just turned to mush. They just didn't move them over when people entering didn't already have programs.

well to be fair to the guys running it there was an error higher up and the programme was printed involving some games from the silmarillion etc,which tolkien enterprises then had a hissy fit over so they has to redo them so they weren't as prepared with them as it was debatable if there would even be "proper" programmes.

Latro_
24-09-2006, 20:50
I know there are a few pics of the Greater deamon of nurgle but here is one compared to a guardsman for scale:
personally i think he's a cross between budda and rob zombie
http://www.nickm.co.uk/images/Dsc00090x.jpg


oh and concept art:


http://www.nickm.co.uk/images/Dsc00091x.jpg

boogle
24-09-2006, 20:59
I prefered the NIA as they could put the up the seminars, couldn't really care about the 'bring and battle' setup as that's never really been what UK GD has been about

Axel
24-09-2006, 21:00
none of you see these bad boys at the BL stand?
sorry phone pic, dont do them justice, soooo nice. Range of models based on John Blanc art.
mmm

Are these scheduled for a release by BL, or just a study to tease us?

Charax
24-09-2006, 21:01
the lower-middle concept looks like a Gremlin.

"Giiiiiizzzmmoooooo"

the concepts evoke a quite Lovecraftian/Deep One look. Tentacles are good.

Latro_
24-09-2006, 21:07
Are these scheduled for a release by BL, or just a study to tease us?

the lady at the stand said there were gonna be a 100 made of each i think.

infact 'pulls card out of still rain wet coat' goto their website here:
http://www.femmemilitant.com/

some nice pics of the models

Kanarten
24-09-2006, 21:23
hey guys my fingers are nice adn burnt nicely from all the model making hello to the chester lot you know who you are!!!.

what i think some of you guys have missed out on is that gamesday is not just about whats coming out in the future and pestering the design staff(although i did some of that myself) its about all parts of the hobby, the gaming ( i dont know many people who could recreate those mega battles themselvs so this is a cheap way to join in play with such an army and also play new games(lotr,40k,wfb,ancients,rgp etc). also if you played the 3up warhammer again a gamesday only thing you wer taught how to play the new warhammer by the man himself allesio.
on the terrain side of things ou could walk away witha terrain peice worth quite alot after the trees,flock,sand,stone bark,water effect,paint etc had been added and it was all for free, also most of out guys were getting free shirts,and other stuff(i wanted a slaanesh one myself).
painting they had the eavy metal peeps there helping people and giving tips(again GD only) also with all those golden deamon painters there the hints and tips you could get will help you.

plus all the other stuff black library, games designn models making and other things to keeps you occupied.

i cant help but feel that some of you guys seem to buy a full cake just to lick off the icing and then complain the cake cost to much(even though you havnt eaten most of it)

and anyway i had 46 people on my coacj and they all had happy exhausted faces at the end of it so that cant be a bad thing.

( p.s. thjis isnt meant as a personal insult in anyway)

t-tauri
24-09-2006, 21:27
some nice pics of the models
They are 40mm scale though, and so no use for either 40k or Inquisitor.:confused:

Latro_
24-09-2006, 21:30
:) collecting and painting models isnt just about gaming with them my friend :).

Morathi's Darkest Sin
24-09-2006, 21:32
You're not wrong...:wtf:


Had to be a P*$$ take surely.. no one could have entered that with the serious intention to win a staute?



As to the poor showing when it comes to Seminars and the like, I suppose it'd given more time to mess about on terrain and painting tables.. but when we go its mainly for Eris to enter Golden daemon anyways... and partially for the GD figure.

A little surprised over the design studio though, considering the thing mentioned in the last white dwarf about it being their biggest ever presence this year.. or some such. :confused:

Love the laughing boy though.... me think maiming is funny.. hur hur hur.

Maguni
24-09-2006, 21:33
you can convert them to make awesome servitor types. Female ogryn for the fat one?

old guard
24-09-2006, 21:33
I just came away with the feeling that there was on the whole great apathy. I think what summed it up for me were the gaming tables particularly 40K they were just.... not that good. FW was really where it was at and as ever they were chatty and helpful but the rest...underwelmed.

boogle
24-09-2006, 21:36
seems much and much the same last year, sort of glad i couldn't afford the £25+£17 just to get there, and then spend oodles of cash on stuff imight never use

WiganUltra
24-09-2006, 21:39
Even if there were 400 War Walkers, I believe there were about 8,500 people there. That's less than 1 for every 20th person. Ok, so not everyone wants them, but still. I don't see why stock levels were so low, especially since they had plenty 'mundane' stuff left at the end. They could have left some of that in the warehouse and brought more 'special' stuff along.

That particular experience tells me that if I go again, I should enter Golden Daemon (if only for the 9.00am entrance) and get there really early. But even then, I'd pick up some models a month or two early, and then what?? Play a game? With only about 12 tables for each system and people playing much bigger than the instructed 400pts (plus with some models not even undercoated), there was no chance of that. Go to the seminars? No, they don't do those anymore. Etc.

As said earlier, it felt a lot like a glorified market stall that I'd paid 25 to get into. I'm mildly surprised that a few people managed to chat to GW/FW people. Every stand I went to, I felt under pressure to fight my way in, buy the first thing I saw, and fight my way straight back out again.

The standard of Golden Daemon entries kinda surprised/disappointed me a bit too. I loved the 40k Nurgle army and the odd other model (there was a cool Carnifex/SM diaroma and a nice St Celestine conversion amongst others), but half of them I thought I could have bested myself with a bit of time and effort. And I only consider myself to be of very average ability.

EDIT - That BT, er, thing, is a joke. Perhaps it's the best that the owner could do. And that's fair enough, I respect that. But they should have respect for the level of competition and realise that they just shouldn't be entering.

All in all, having never been before, I'd always viewed Games Day and Golden Daemon with a certain sense of awe. Sadly, whilst I did enjoy myself, that view has been shattered for me today :(

PS. I'm no event organiser, but the NEC is massive and I don't see why they couldn't use more of it to give everything more space. If the 8,500 attendance figure is correct, that's upwards of 200k just in admission money.

EDIT - PPS. One positive thing is that everytime I'm disappointed by GW, it only reinforces my appreciation of FW. They do have the advantage of producing the huge show stoppers, but even so, the quality they produce and their attitude towards their work and the fans is everything that I wish GW could be.

Suicide Messiah
24-09-2006, 21:44
JB can kiss my butt, his art and his models are horrid. hes only getting paid because hes been with the company for so long. anyone with an art background will agree this simple drawings with 4 colors suck

So its safe to assume you have an art background but still dont know what your talking about.

Does anyone know when we can actually buy these models? I mean the horrid Blanche ones.

boogle
24-09-2006, 21:45
you do realise that a lot of people just enter Golden Daemon just to get in early don't you?

Kargos Bloodspit
24-09-2006, 21:46
Just thought i'd add my pictures here, dunno if you've seen them before or not:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Kargos/tau-manta-fire-warriors.jpg
Tau Manta Firewarrior room thing.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Kargos/autarch-jump-gen.jpg
Autarch with Warp Spider Jump Generator, Couldn't get a decent pic of the backpack, but you can see enough to tell what it is from the front.

And the other three I'll do via links as to avoid scrollbar of doom, and the 4 images per post thing :).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Kargos/harlie2.jpg
1 of 2 harlies I could get a decent pic of.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Kargos/harlie1.jpg
2nd of 2.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/Kargos/death-jester.jpg
Deathjester

Latro_
24-09-2006, 21:47
So its safe to assume you have an art background but still dont know what your talking about.

Does anyone know when we can actually buy these models? I mean the horrid Blanche ones.


They were at the Black library area, so i expect they are your best port of call. they'll at least be able to point you in the right direction.

sanctusmortis
24-09-2006, 21:49
The problem is that, back at the NIA, it was about showing off what GW could do. This... was showing off how many clubs can run so many games. Games which, to be frank, stopped you from getting past to the interesting area, which would have been well suited to hosting said games!

Black Library sucked as they split into Black Industries as well, and stocked sweet FA. There was tons of WHFRP, no sign of the promised preview of the 40k one, and only the artbook for the new Warhammer PC game as new eyecandy. Which sucks, as they're to whom most of my cash goes.

The problem this year is the focus seemed to have been on getting people to play games - a lot of floor space was dedicated to this, what with half the forum given over to bring and battle, the arena naturally being dedicated to organised games, a third of the main segment of the pavilion given to GCN (and their games...) and the back hall where the side companies were dominated by the three computer games! The layout was terrible, and certainly made things worse than they had to be.

I'm sorry for the people who say we've all missed the spirit of it - we haven't. Games Day is the day we get our hands on what we normally wouldn't, get to celebrate the hobby OUTSIDE of playing it, and have some fun. NOT where we go because it's bigger than our local store/GCN club. The fact they let people get multiples of the new minis is pretty darn stupid, and the fact that there's already 3 Kroot Birds on eBay does not shock me. Robbing gits are charging £10, too, plus postage.

As for the atmosphere... this was my first at the NEC. Though the old venue was quite stale, at least you knew where to go. Retail at the sides, games in the middle, seminars in seminar halls, the design studio IN A STUDIO... This layout was a mess. It should have simply been stores in part one (including BL, BI, SG, etc), games in part two, the rest in the final segment. And put GD in the bit where specialist stuff was, to free up the floor a little. The lacklustre response to the GD results said it all; most people who'd stuck about started walking, there were no real cheers or applause, nobody cared. The viewing area was awful, with nobody moving people on, shelves so low you had to crouch and people with massive SLR cameras using it as an excuse to take photos of every model, with no fear of retribution from staff. Whatever happened to "no photography"?

Chaos and Evil
24-09-2006, 22:00
And? What did he say? Tell us, you swine, tell us! :mad: :p

In a nutshell, that the company values the IP of the Specialist Games but in times of fiscal stress (Ie: the last year or so) they're not inclined to spend the big bucks on having a 10-man SG development department.

That said, SG will continue to put out new releases (Chaos for Epic in Feb '07, Araby for Warmaster etc).

Oh and I got the impression that BFG is likely to recieve somewhat more exposure in the company at large in future.

philbrad2
24-09-2006, 22:10
One positive thing is that everytime I'm disappointed by GW, it only reinforces my appreciation of FW. They do have the advantage of producing the huge show stoppers, but even so, the quality they produce and their attitude towards their work and the fans is everything that I wish GW could be.

A sentiment shared by lots of us. I remember the days when GW were a lot like FW. I pray GW continues to give them the artistic license and keeps a controlling hand out of their affairs in the quest for the next 'buck'. Simply let them do what they do best and let their creativity and craftsmanship carry on as a flagship line for GW products. In recent years FW's skills have outshone those of the minastream sculptors on numerous occasions.

To be honest the Eldar are the first GW mainstream range I've seen for a very long time where I like all the models, that's a very rare thing compared to some of the abominations GW studio have saddled us with in the past 10 years. *coughs Chaos Possessed*


In a nutshell, that the company values the IP of the Specialist Games but in times of fiscal stress (Ie: the last year or so) they're not inclined to spend the big bucks on having a 10-man SG development department.

That said, SG will continue to put out new releases (Chaos for Epic in Feb '07, Araby for Warmaster etc).

Oh and I got the impression that BFG is likely to recieve somewhat more exposure in the company at large in future.

Had a feeling GW's financial woes might have had something to do with the assimilation into the Studio and its very limitied output lately. Glad to hear Gothic may be getting some 'loving' in the near future, been far too long since my Chaos fleet has set sail on the astral seas.

:chrome:

philbrad2
24-09-2006, 22:12
So its safe to assume you have an art background but still dont know what your talking about.

Does anyone know when we can actually buy these models? I mean the horrid Blanche ones.


Lets keep this civil guys! Everyone has opinions. Voice them constructively or not at all.


Warseer Inquisition -=I=-

:chrome:

lord_blackfang
24-09-2006, 22:17
Well, here's the WL and WW box art, at least:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-type-Eldar-Wraithlord-40k-Not-even-Released-yet_W0QQitemZ170032869618QQihZ007QQcategoryZ44117Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-type-Eldar-War-Walker-40k-Not-even-Released-yet_W0QQitemZ170032870819QQihZ007QQcategoryZ44117Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Morathi's Darkest Sin
24-09-2006, 22:19
I see the first Eldar lots are appearing on ebay.. gotta love free enterprise. ;)

Specialist games working on new stuff is always good to hear.. although I need new Blood Bowl Orcs Gangnabbit.

edit - curses lord_blackfang you posted while I was watching the game... Seattle is destroying the poor Giants.

shady
24-09-2006, 22:23
In a nutshell, that the company values the IP of the Specialist Games but in times of fiscal stress (Ie: the last year or so) they're not inclined to spend the big bucks on having a 10-man SG development department.

That said, SG will continue to put out new releases (Chaos for Epic in Feb '07, Araby for Warmaster etc).

Oh and I got the impression that BFG is likely to recieve somewhat more exposure in the company at large in future.

Good. I was afraid it was all over (which was the impression GD gave me). And I'd read into the above combination of comments that the BFG IP is going to be exercised in a computer game.

For those people who aren't interested in the social side of GD (and I appreciate there are those who are, but then it becomes pretty much a GCN convention) or having to fight your way to the front at every stall, including to see the painting entries, I'd suggest just going to a regular decent-sized wargames show. I had a far better time at Salute 06 - far more variety of stuff, plus Forge World with their latest releases (which basically was the only value add of GD06, I think we're agreed).

Having said all of which, I'd probably go to next year's GD, given the chance. I can't believe GW aren't going to fix it.

WiganUltra
24-09-2006, 22:25
Sorry, I have to continue re: Golden Daemon.

I now realise after today's event that people do enter just to get in early. And quite frankly that annoys and offends me.

It is an insult to anyone who enters genuinely. My mate 'only' spent a couple of weeks on his entry, and in honesty, originally did it, not for GD but just because he had an idea he liked and wanted to make it. However, he was very happy (and us for him) just to see his model behind the glass and to get his competitor's badge, and we were all delighted when it made it into the finalists cabinet. He was actually shaking!

It is an insult to those talented individuals who actually win. These are experts in their hobby who spend many hours perfecting their entries. They should not have to see their works of art next to 'cheat' entries by those who just want to jump the queue.

It is an insult to everyone who attends Games Day, queues up fairly and wants to check the Golden Daemon entries. They shouldn't have to look at models no better or carefully painted than those in their own carry cases.

I also take it as a personal insult that a competition I have so long held in such high regard, as the pinnacle of the hobby I love, is spoiled by such selfish, greedy people. Entering with it in mind that early entry is a bonus is one thing, but how anyone has the sheer cheek to enter seemingly random models from their collection solely for this purpose is beyond me.

I may enter next year, but I sincerely hope for two things.
1. That I don't win an award. As I said, GD should be the pinnacle of the hobby for the best of craftsmen/artists. That's not me. I would feel very proud just to enter, if I ever win a statue I want to do it on merit, after 20/30 years of hard work and experience in the hobby.
2. That I and the other entrants are allowed to register, but don't get into the main event any earlier. In theory it's a nice bonus, in practice it's desperately open to abuse.

Maguni
24-09-2006, 23:13
If you wanna get in hours ahead of time to buy FW and new stuff, volunteer like I do :D

Tastyfish
24-09-2006, 23:27
Would be easy to solve here at least in the UK, have the Golden Daemon first round be a regional thing that awards you a GD ticket and entry into the next round. Probably boost club attendance as well.

Messiah
24-09-2006, 23:44
The guo is the sexiest model theyve done yet. Great job!

fizzelopeguss
25-09-2006, 00:16
The unclean one looks like a rotting undead fat bastard, rather than a happy plague spreading father figure.

Growr
25-09-2006, 00:16
t-tauri, I think your sympathy for those who didn't get any of the pre-release models is somewhat misplaced considering you're now selling one of almost every type on eBay.
I'd imagine 'self-satisfaction' or 'excitement over impending financial gain' would be more appropriate.

On the topic, however, did no one get any news regarding Eldar? There was a list of stuff that we didn't quite know about yet and I was hoping to clear some of it up. Different weapon options on the Harlies, news about Autarchs gaining aspect powers when joining squads, phoenix lord special rules maybe?
Anyone hear anything?

Tom
25-09-2006, 00:41
Sorry, I have to continue re: Golden Daemon.

I now realise after today's event that people do enter just to get in early. And quite frankly that annoys and offends me.

I'm gonna have to quote this for truth, to be honest. I'm certainly going to be discouraging it from Shrewsbury (we did have one not so good' entry I knew directly of, butthatwas because his cat had destroyed his intended entry. Odd, that, my brother ruined mine...) Though I didn't see so many this year as I have in the past, actually. Chuffed at hitting 40K Single finalist with my backup mini, though.

Hellfury
25-09-2006, 01:01
Entering into the GD just to get in early is indeed unsavory.

But, who is to say who is doing what?

I know alot of people who are not the best painters in the world, or even in their own communities, yet they are very proud of what they do and want to share their work and see where it stands when compared with the competition.

I dont think there will be any possible way for GW to police this issue.

People should be allowed to enter what they want, how they want as long as it follows the guidlelines that GW sets forth. Anything else is elitist pomp.

I remember one entry in the US this year that was a rock. Yes, a rock. It represented LOTR according to samwise and frodo hiding beneath a cloak of elvenkind.

Could this have been done for abuse of early entry? To be humourous? To show disdain for the competition in general? Because they were really proud of the wit?

It could be all of the above.

I simply dont understand how some people can sit here and bash some poor sod who may very well have been quite proud of the hard work they put into a model, just for someone to post here and bash them because it doesnt follow some unspoken, assumed role of GD.

Anyone can enter. WD encourages such through their over profuse coverage. So much in fact that long time readers get sick of seeing pages and pages filled with them. But everyone wants to have their models in WD. Everyone deserves a chance, no matter how ill concieved.

Charax
25-09-2006, 01:23
People should be allowed to enter what they want, how they want as long as it follows the guidlelines that GW sets forth. Anything else is elitist pomp

...

Anyone can enter. WD encourages such through their over profuse coverage. So much in fact that long time readers get sick of seeing pages and pages filled with them. But everyone wants to have their models in WD. Everyone deserves a chance, no matter how ill concieved.

If anyone should be quoted for truth, it should be Hellfury.

EDIT: Oh, in case anyone's interested, a friend went and saw some of the Daemon Engine concepts - he described one as:
"Floating, poison-leaking engines of Nurgle that fire salvoes of rockets loaded with poisons and airborne viruses - the concept looked like a floating, legless Dreadnought with a Daemon of Nurgle where the sarcophagus should be, and rocket pods in the sides, with the model held from the base by pooling ichor that pours from the underside..."

(As a Death Guard player, this pleases me greatly - unfortunately I doubt it will transfer to the Epic list in time for the Epic Chaos release)

and another as:
"Rampaging, spiked engines of Khorne that look like one part Chimera chassis, one part Destroyer vehicle gift, and one part Thomas the Tank Engine (not my words - Mark Bedford called it his "Evil Thomas the Tank Engine")"

Also mentioned were Gothic AdMech fleets (Woohoo! the mars pattern, perhaps?) and a Warmaster Araby list

cailus
25-09-2006, 02:28
So no real news regarding future 40K releases other than plastic Chaos Termies and a couple of already expected Dark Angel releases?

In fact if the only Dark Angel releases are a single Ravenwing commander, iconogrpahy sprues and metal librarians, then it's a pretty lame release.

Hopefully the Dark Angel players will get more interesting rules that differeniate their Chapter from Codex marines.

Chem-Dog
25-09-2006, 03:11
none of you see these bad boys (grrls) at the BL stand?

http://www.nickm.co.uk/images/Dsc00006x.jpg

sorry phone pic, dont do them justice, soooo nice. Range of models based on John Blanc art.
mmm

***********
EDIT: website for the mini's is here: http://www.femmemilitant.com/

Thank you soooo much for putting these up, I thought they'd dissapeared down a black hole when BL swallowed up WarpArtifacts.


JB can kiss my butt, his art and his models are horrid. hes only getting paid because hes been with the company for so long. anyone with an art background will agree this simple drawings with 4 colors suck

I used to think that John Blanche wasn't up to scratch either, but you do have to realise that the man has had a massive impact on the atmosphere of 40K, the darke dire gothic 40K is, in part down to him, his concepts can help shape the nature of an entire army (check out the Vostroyans) if not race. The Femme Millitant stuff explores a far more adult view of 40K than we are used to seeing and this stuff could well be classed as "Erotica", I am pleased to see these (not in a "is that a canoe in your pocket..." way).

ShadowKitana
25-09-2006, 03:36
I think I have seen some of his stuff in the Liber Chaotica and I thought it looked cool and fit in that dark theme. I wonder if they will do other things like that.

Hellebore
25-09-2006, 03:42
Thank you soooo much for putting these up, I thought they'd dissapeared down a black hole when BL swallowed up WarpArtifacts.



I used to think that John Blanche wasn't up to scratch either, but you do have to realise that the man has had a massive impact on the atmosphere of 40K, the darke dire gothic 40K is, in part down to him, his concepts can help shape the nature of an entire army (check out the Vostroyans) if not race. The Femme Millitant stuff explores a far more adult view of 40K than we are used to seeing and this stuff could well be classed as "Erotica", I am pleased to see these (not in a "is that a canoe in your pocket..." way).


This is exactly how I felt about John Blanche. When I was younger and getting into 2nd ed, I thought his art was crap, and Mark Gibbons was my favourite.

However, as I got older I realised the fundamental difference between John Blanche and the other artists at GW.

JB is an ARTIST, and everyone else are ILLUSTRATORS.

He does abstract, weird off the wall stuff, which is not necessarilly representative of the world, but an emotion, a feeling or an atmosphere. He produces works of emotion rather than pictures to illustrate.

Not that that makes him the best or anything, but it's good to understand his work in its proper context.

It's funny, but when ever I think about 40k's gothic atmosphere, and despite the fact that John Blanche isn't my favourite artist, I ALWAYS imagine his work when thinking about the atmosphere.

The man paints atmosphere like Steven Spielberg films it.


Hellebore

Binky
25-09-2006, 07:18
Would be easy to solve here at least in the UK, have the Golden Daemon first round be a regional thing that awards you a GD ticket and entry into the next round. Probably boost club attendance as well.

That's how it used to work, local stores would run regional heats and if you won a category in the regional heats you got a GD ticket and a 10 voucher. Plus it allowed you to enter the Golden Demon finals in any categories you wanted, didn't necessarily have to be the one you'd won previously or the same model.

old guard
25-09-2006, 07:21
You either like his stuff or you don't its that simple.
Personally I loathe it, probably in the same way that I think that Damien Hurst is a cheeky no talent B*****d who has conned the masses that he's something special (or just special) but I greatly admire what I will call the 'old school artists. Its a question of taste.

I dont think though,that you can dismiss (if that's the right word) the others as illustrators.

As for the femme millitant...I'm sorry but they just confuse the c**p out of me. Why would I want to buy JB's Somewhat 'I watched too many S&M film' dreams? Hmm I answered my own question I think ...Its a question of taste....yeah...!

RevEv
25-09-2006, 07:36
Hmmm

Had hoped to go to GD this year, but work commitments kept me away. Am I glad now having read these reports? Not really. GD is more than just a glorified shopping frenzy, an important part of it is meeting friends, seeing the GCN displays, joining in the huge displays and soaking up the atmosphere (although that seems to be lacking in the NEC from some reports). If all you are going for is new releases and FW then more fool you. Ask yourself, are you really going to get the new releases started before they come out (my SM Command Squad and Commander are still unmade from when they were prereleased 2 years ago) and wouldn't it be better to get the FW stuff direct, even paying postage is cheaper than attending the event (being able to drop in to Lenton on a regular basis means that I can order FW direct when I want to post free). You could, of course, preorder what you want and pick it up on the day from FW.

One thing that hasn't changed though are the crowds. At the GD's I've been to they have been getting worse - last time I almost got pushed over the table at the FW stand by idiots pushing behind me... and that was when I was picking up my preorder at a table specifically set aside for that purpose. This is something GW need to sort out urgently before someone gets hurt (the barriers work to a certain extent, but people still crush forward to pick up stuff they could get in the shops.

Great to hear some people enjoyed it though - hopefully I can go next year.

Jedi152
25-09-2006, 07:46
This is exactly how I felt about John Blanche. When I was younger and getting into 2nd ed, I thought his art was crap, and Mark Gibbons was my favourite.

However, as I got older I realised the fundamental difference between John Blanche and the other artists at GW.

JB is an ARTIST, and everyone else are ILLUSTRATORS.
Funnily enough, i'm exactly the same - I've come to respect Blanche - his work is full of emotion and movement. All the other artists draw what GW's universes look like. He draws what they feel like, and the emotions they evoke in him.

I read somewhere that he occasionally stands back ... and then attacks his pictures with water.

firestorm40k
25-09-2006, 07:49
That said, SG will continue to put out new releases (Chaos for Epic in Feb '07...).

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH HHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Chaosandevil, I love you! ;) :p :D You have made my day! :cool:

That's great news - IF GW stick to it...

Alessander
25-09-2006, 08:22
I think forgeworld was the highlight of this show, since we already know pretty much everything about the new eldar (thanks Brim!).

Blanche is OK, but the "true" artist of GW was Ian Miller. His art from the old Realm of Chaos books still shows up in my dreams, I think Ian was the driving force for the "creepyness" of Chaos in the GW worlds. nothing says "warped by chaos" like an Ian Miller drawing. His art is still recycled in newer GW publications, even though he parted ways with GW over a decade ago.

www.ianmiller.org

(edit - holy cow, apparently Miller did concept art for the Shrek film - anyone think that it's weird that he went from a drawing of "daemonette licking up the dripping blood off a khorne demon's chewed off jaw" to "shrek and donkey"?)

Spacker
25-09-2006, 08:28
One thing that hasn't changed though are the crowds. At the GD's I've been to they have been getting worse - last time I almost got pushed over the table at the FW stand by idiots pushing behind me... and that was when I was picking up my preorder at a table specifically set aside for that purpose. This is something GW need to sort out urgently before someone gets hurt (the barriers work to a certain extent, but people still crush forward to pick up stuff they could get in the shops.

It was bad at the FW stand too - my camera ended up being knocked on the floor by some kid who just couldn't wait his turn. Luckily it survived the fall. I won't be going next year, I thought it might get better this year after last year being the first at the NEC, but it was just as bad.

Morathi's Darkest Sin
25-09-2006, 09:27
Those John Blanche inspired figs are scary... cool in a strange way, but scary.. I love em.

They also remind me of the Anime and Manga dolls/figures that are all over the place especially some of the wierdier ones such as G-Taste... I think I might get some just to convert into Daemon princes and some look worthy enough to display as they are.

Although I expect my purchase of any of these would depend on price... if its something stupid like £20 each they can go whistle.

geoffkemp
25-09-2006, 09:43
I wonder how many Wraithlords will be up on Ebay tomorrow?

Ive had a look already and there are about half a dozen or so, some of which mentioned they got them at games day, others list an specfied event. I can See GW stopping taking pre-release stuff, as they will say it detracts from their IP or some such. Or limit people to one of a given pre-release item.


Think you've hit it on the head for me actually. If you've only attended one or two gamesdays then your view will probably be different to those that have attended them for a number of years.

This was the weakest one for me. Last years was pretty good, but the year before, was problably the best, given that I managed to get a couple seminar tickets. The highlight of this year for me was, other than seeing some of the forge-world stuff, playing WAR.


I now realise after today's event that people do enter just to get in early. And quite frankly that annoys and offends me.


Did you see the Tau Stealthsuit ??? Got a picture will try and post it later.


The unclean one looks like a rotting undead fat bastard, rather than a happy plague spreading father figure.

TBH, my first impression, it reminded me some what of the plastic toy poos you used to get from jokeshops as a boys.

Latro_
25-09-2006, 10:00
regards wraith lords, some guy turned up an bought 10 of them right away,

also seemingly the war walkers had sold out by about 10:30!

sanctusmortis
25-09-2006, 10:16
There were 3 war walkers when I got in, 10 boxes of Dire Avengers, and the same of Battleforces. That was around 10:30. Bring back the "2 per customer" limit!

It was bizarre to see so much space dedicated to modles you could walk into your local to get, but I suppose they have to have something to sell.

The O&G can't have been popular - took a walk up that end at 2:30 to have a gander and they still had a box of Night Goblins and about 5 of the big boxes...

Jedi152
25-09-2006, 10:22
regards wraith lords, some guy turned up an bought 10 of them right away,

also seemingly the war walkers had sold out by about 10:30!
That's the problem with the pre-release buying thing.

You'll always get a total fanboy who's only brought a GD ticket to buy them, and they'll queue up for hours and buy out pretty much all the stock.

marv335
25-09-2006, 10:26
me and the guys from dundee/aberdeen got in first (we were there at 0700, first in the queue :D)

several of the guys bought complete eldar armies for their own use. not everyone was just getting stuff to e-bay.

i saw the balsa thunderhawk :eek:
and the "tau stealthsuit" i can't believe someone had the cheek to enter it.

Gen.Steiner
25-09-2006, 10:29
ChaosandEvil: Thank you. Warmaster Araby? Hoo-ah! Now I'll show those Imperial dogs who rules the world, and it's not Karl Franz! Oh, and get payback from the damned Knights Panther, too... :D

Jedi152
25-09-2006, 10:36
and the "tau stealthsuit" i can't believe someone had the cheek to enter it.
I presume it was just an empty base?

:D

Ravenous
25-09-2006, 10:37
That's the problem with the pre-release buying thing.

You'll always get a total fanboy who's only brought a GD ticket to buy them, and they'll queue up for hours and buy out pretty much all the stock.

That or they are buying them for Ebay and charge double like the dirty scum they are.

If that was just someone buying it for the hell of it, then they have serious issues.

You would think 40k is worse then crack. Come to think of it the price is just about right.

Blessed Knight
25-09-2006, 10:41
The O&G can't have been popular - took a walk up that end at 2:30 to have a gander and they still had a box of Night Goblins and about 5 of the big boxes...

not surprised about night goblins being in stock. everybody who bought skull pass at the local GW had the option to swap the force they didn't want.

I'd imagine goblin players who swapped dwarves for more, will never need spider riders/night goblins again.

Lord Hjamlar
25-09-2006, 11:49
me and the guys from dundee/aberdeen got in first (we were there at 0700, first in the queue :D)

several of the guys bought complete eldar armies for their own use. not everyone was just getting stuff to e-bay.

i saw the balsa thunderhawk :eek:
and the "tau stealthsuit" i can't believe someone had the cheek to enter it.

"tau stealthsuit" - What do u mean?!

Jellicoe
25-09-2006, 12:48
so did anyone have an opportunity to ask anyone of importance why White Dwarf has turned into a pile of excreta or was that why the seminars were not run this year?

SonofUltramar
25-09-2006, 13:02
me and the guys from dundee/aberdeen got in first (we were there at 0700, first in the queue :D)

several of the guys bought complete eldar armies for their own use. not everyone was just getting stuff to e-bay.

i saw the balsa thunderhawk :eek:
and the "tau stealthsuit" i can't believe someone had the cheek to enter it.

Firstly i can't believe you were up at 11 to write this post:D

Secondly, of all the people who went to Games Day from Dundee i think only one person may have bought a couple of extras to sell on e-bay and of that i'm not sure. Having said that GD can be super expensive for some people, 60 for over 16's and 100 for under 16 + adult for us so you can see why some people may do it to try and make up for the expense? I do however agree that a limit should be put on the number of pre-releases people can get, 2 sounds about right?

On the whole i enjoyed the actual event but i was working at it and saw EVERYTHING before we opened, my favourite would have to be the green of Kurt Helborg and finding out that they are also working away on a Ludwig Schwarzhelm model for the Empire.

All in all i'm now unsure if i would like to go as a customer next year but that may have something to do with being up for 26 hours, 12 of which working by the time GD opened (i feel tired just writing about it,lol).

From now on no one complains about travelling unless they left the day before or had a bed the previous night:)

marv335
25-09-2006, 13:05
"tau stealthsuit" - What do u mean?!


someone entered a flocked base with a couple of footprints on it.

SilverTabby
25-09-2006, 13:26
On the 6-month window shrinking to 3-month, my initial point still stands. Those who insisted on all the news 8 months in advance, who posted virtually all the contents of various Codexes as they were half-written, who leaked pictures of new models before their exclusive unveilings (Jez was personally upset by the Harlequins beoing out a day early, he was looking forwards to showing them off) are to blame for the 'disappointment' of the displays. Don't blame GW when the fault lies squarely at the feet of those who frequent these forums.

The disappearance of the 'no photography' policy is because it was utterly un-policable, save by having 2 security guards by each cabinet, and that's awful boring for those two poor people.

cailus
25-09-2006, 13:35
GW should perhaps have tighter security regarding release of rules or pictures of new models.

But I think they secretly enjoy the leaks. It means that events such as Gamesdays will be more successful as people are expecting to buy certain new release models at Games Days.

Endemion
25-09-2006, 13:50
Proper traitor guard, and adeptus mech from FW? Good news indeed!

Cheesehead
25-09-2006, 14:19
On the 6-month window shrinking to 3-month, my initial point still stands. Those who insisted on all the news 8 months in advance, who posted virtually all the contents of various Codexes as they were half-written, who leaked pictures of new models before their exclusive unveilings (Jez was personally upset by the Harlequins beoing out a day early, he was looking forwards to showing them off) are to blame for the 'disappointment' of the displays. Don't blame GW when the fault lies squarely at the feet of those who frequent these forums.


Oh please, cry me a river. If you don't want to be "disappointed" then don't read the forums.

Jes can be prou dof unveiling something when he doesn't take pictures of them in advance and have them leaked.

Atherakhia
25-09-2006, 17:15
Proper traitor guard, and adeptus mech from FW? Good news indeed!

GW done some AM models a while back -- now lemme see if i can find a pic of them.... **rummages**

ah here they are!
http://www.solegends.com/citrare/adept1.gifhttp://www.solegends.com/citrare/adept2.gif

Lavfluris
25-09-2006, 17:23
Entering into the GD just to get in early is indeed unsavory.I managed to join the Golden Daemon que and walk straight through without entering a model. This hasn't changed in the five years I have been attending.

Anyway, as a whole, Games Day was alright. I do not attend for the seminars, pre-releases and what have you. I only attend to see people I know and the Forge World stand. As a result, it was the same as any year to me.

philbrad2
25-09-2006, 18:16
Exhibit 1 for the prosecution m'lud. The 'infamous' UKGD Tau Stealthsuit ...

http://www.retribution40k.net/GD2006/stealth.jpg


On the 6-month window shrinking to 3-month, my initial point still stands. Those who insisted on all the news 8 months in advance, who posted virtually all the contents of various Codexes as they were half-written, who leaked pictures of new models before their exclusive unveilings (Jez was personally upset by the Harlequins beoing out a day early, he was looking forwards to showing them off) are to blame for the 'disappointment' of the displays. Don't blame GW when the fault lies squarely at the feet of those who frequent these forums.

I can see and sympathise with GW's stand on protecting their IP. With the sheer quality of the new Eldar range, GW has a set of models which are their best for many years. However GW themselves have been showing pics of forthcoming Eldar releases in WD and on their website for a few months now. So don't lay the 'blame' at the likes of us who enjoy trying to get information about what GW is doing in the (near) future and share it with interested gamers. GW imposed their '6 month rule' we didn't. I'm just disappointed that GW is less and less sharing info with their gaming public. Again I see why GW want to keep the 'WOW!' factor with their releases but I really think the design studio could have at least had information, even if only artwork on the DA at UKGD, I don't want to see everything they are doing but an idea of something would be nice. Plus Mark Gibbons' concept art for the DA has been seen in some degree on WARSEER already. And I don't for a moment think GW doesn't have anything on the DA they could show us. I've seen the development stand at UKGD go downhill for several years now IMHO.


:chrome:

geoffkemp
25-09-2006, 18:20
someone entered a flocked base with a couple of footprints on it.

And for the sake of completeness, here it is .....

http://www.geocities.com/geoffkemp_1978/GD2006/upload2509130.jpg

:wtf:

Charax
25-09-2006, 18:22
So...GW can do a Frodo with Ring mini which is a base with footprints in, but how dare someone do the same thing themselves?

Get some damned perspective.

geoffkemp
25-09-2006, 18:24
So...GW can do a Frodo with Ring mini which is a base with footprints in, but how dare someone do the same thing themselves?


Actually I was considering do that myself :angel:

SilverTabby
25-09-2006, 19:08
Oh please, cry me a river. If you don't want to be "disappointed" then don't read the forums.

Jes can be prou dof unveiling something when he doesn't take pictures of them in advance and have them leaked.
I'm willing to bet you didn't speak to him on the subject at Games Day, or see his reaction when told the pictures were out. So please don't make comments like that.

As for taking photos in advance, how fast do you think Codexes are made? Overnight? Of course pictures are taken in advance, that doesn't mean they are meant to get posted on the web...

This year at Games Day it's all too evident the effect all these leaks and rumour threads are having, and how the stuff that was shown - which was all unreleased - was considered 'old news'. You can't honestly read this thread and say the stuff that was posted so long beforehand (for the most part without GW permission or sanction) didn't adversely affect gamer enthusiasm.

Latro_
25-09-2006, 19:10
Did anyone see the blue transformer blue dreanought type thing made of bits in the first set of show cases closest to the marine entry point.

It was horrid


ance, that doesn't mean they are meant to get posted on the web...

This year at Games Day it's all too evident the effect all these leaks and rumour threads are having, and how the stuff that was shown - which was all unreleased - was considered 'old news'. You can't honestly read this thread and say the stuff that was posted so long beforehand (for the most part without GW permission or sanction) didn't adversely affect gamer enthusiasm.

To be honest it was only old news to people like us who spend far to much time on the Internet. Everyone else i know in fleshy world that is into 40k etc never ever ever goes on Tinternet forums. So most people at gamesday would not of seen the models b4.

funny thou, cus everyone i spoke to said he event was crup.
:P

Lastie
25-09-2006, 19:15
Did anyone see the blue transformer blue dreanought type thing made of bits in the first set of show cases closest to the marine entry point.

It was horrid

I remember that. It was 'interesting', to put it politely.

Can't believe I manged to miss the Tau Stealthsuit. Mind you, getting near one display case was a mission in itself ... :mad:

Latro_
25-09-2006, 19:21
lol my mate found it so bad he had to go back to take photographic evidence.

there should be a very very first cut at the start of the day. With a mallet.
That'd stop em.

Boss Floata
25-09-2006, 21:20
that or every signing up booth has a blowtorch nearby.

VetSgtNamaan
25-09-2006, 22:45
Well perhaps cause It is unlikely I would every be able to attend a gameday that I think it would be a tremendously exciting event. I am sure if it is in your own backyard then it be a case of familiarity breeds contempt but I am in the middle of no man's land with even the nearest conflict being 4+hr drive the next closest being 10 in another province.

WiganUltra
25-09-2006, 22:47
Entering into the GD just to get in early is indeed unsavory.

But, who is to say who is doing what?

I know alot of people who are not the best painters in the world, or even in their own communities, yet they are very proud of what they do and want to share their work and see where it stands when compared with the competition.

I dont think there will be any possible way for GW to police this issue.

People should be allowed to enter what they want, how they want as long as it follows the guidlelines that GW sets forth. Anything else is elitist pomp.

I remember one entry in the US this year that was a rock. Yes, a rock. It represented LOTR according to samwise and frodo hiding beneath a cloak of elvenkind.

Could this have been done for abuse of early entry? To be humourous? To show disdain for the competition in general? Because they were really proud of the wit?

It could be all of the above.

I simply dont understand how some people can sit here and bash some poor sod who may very well have been quite proud of the hard work they put into a model, just for someone to post here and bash them because it doesnt follow some unspoken, assumed role of GD.

Anyone can enter. WD encourages such through their over profuse coverage. So much in fact that long time readers get sick of seeing pages and pages filled with them. But everyone wants to have their models in WD. Everyone deserves a chance, no matter how ill concieved.


You do raise a very good point here. Something that in my disappointment I did not consider. My personal opinion is that despite the effort I put into my models and the pride I take in them, I am still able to recognise that they are not Golden Daemon standard (or at least I thought not til yesterday), so I don't enter and leave it to the pros. In fairness though, that is not going to be everyone's view and it is their entitlement to enter if they wish.

However, the major focus of my rant was those who enter purely to get in early. I still feel this is very different to any of the ideas you brought up, and should be stopped. Of course you can't have someone standing there deciding who is genuine or not, but perhaps GD entry could open at 7 or 8, but the doors from there to the next room not opened til 10.

There are always going to be some 'lower quality' entrants (as with any competition), but at least they would be genuine efforts. I also think the idea of heats is a perfectly good way to improve quality on the day. If you want to play in the golf Open, the FA cup etc, you don't just turn up on the day, you have to qualify. And those modellers/painters who want to gauge their ability or make some kind of artistic statement can still do so.

As for the 2 models singled out for special critism, I'll say this:
The Thunderhawk wannabe isn't even a citadel minature, I'm surprised it was allowed to enter. And with the 'Stealthsuit', yes GW did make 'Frodo" in a similar style, but this 'effort' has almost zero modelling or painting to it, 90% of over 5's on the planet could probably get similar results within 10-15 mins of work.


EDIT - Re: The comment made by someone about attending Games Day just to buy stuff (sorry whoever it was, I should be in bed by now and can't remember what page your post was on):

I think the main complaint (at least it is for me) is exactly the opposite of what seems to be suggested. Yes, poor stock of new/pre-release models was disappointing, but that was far from the main point of going. The trouble was, there felt like very little (especially for the size/prestige/cost of the event) to do other than to queue up and buy stuff.

Hellfury
26-09-2006, 00:17
Thats fair.

I agree though, some competitive local heats in order to enter the golden demon proper is a rather good idea.

scrubout
26-09-2006, 00:51
nearest conflict being 4+hr drive.

I envy you, Los Angeles is 10 hours away...:cries: .

I hope those grenadiers are more wip then they appear, I'm a bit disappointed. I had the feeling of jin-roh-like krieg storm troopers. I'll probably still buy them though, lets hope they come out with more special weapons for them :p .

marv335
26-09-2006, 00:58
well i like the grenadiers, the armour is very in keeping with the theme (WWI trench warfare) it looks just like the german trench armour used during the somme offensive of 1916.
i'll be getting a unit of them when they come out.

AmasNagol
26-09-2006, 04:30
I can remember when you had to enter Golden Demon through your local store in advance of the day itself.

That was good.

The Dude
26-09-2006, 05:37
We've actually gone to that system from the old all at Games Day method here in Aus.

It's a hell of a lot better for those of us who don't live in Sydney :D.

Rick_1138
26-09-2006, 12:21
Was i the only person in the entirety of games day to get one of each box of the new eldar toys? (3 of each if you count wraithlords and war walkers) and the Avatar?

*Dodges the flaming torch and pitchfork that gets thrown at him*

Thats okay mate, i was in early, i.e 7 am, bus gets there, and as i have chrones disease, the manager of the aberdeen store, who is a mate, asked if i could get in early to be near facilities, and i was in a position to be in the retail\FW stand at literally 9.am, so i got battleforce, 2 box war walkers, wraithlord, dire avengers, banshees and fw avatar, Yriel and autarch. but what was funny was my mate and i asked if army deal was there, they said yes....eh..no..sorry, the war walker squadron, Yes we definately have them....eh...apparently no we dont!!!!

so i was a bit annoyed that the advertsied things werer not there i.e. gaunts book! but i was fortunate to get the pick of things i wanted, so i cant complain, and no none of this stuff is going on e-bay, as i am getting the eldar army deal next month, mwu hahah, eldary goodness!

Blessed Knight
26-09-2006, 13:55
I can remember when you had to enter Golden Demon through your local store in advance of the day itself.

That was good.

I prefered that system. Though if GD went back to that, the impressive foriegn input would halt.

if the top 3 in each store got through that would still be 300 ish entries in each category.

chosen_of_khaine
26-09-2006, 21:29
that would have been a great day if sods law hadnt commanded it to start rainin as soon as we got in the q, (we left at 4am 0_o) an then the sun came out as soon as the doors opened, we had to resort to using our banner as an umbrella....

geoffkemp
27-09-2006, 03:13
that would have been a great day if sods law hadnt commanded it to start rainin as soon as we got in the q, (we left at 4am 0_o) an then the sun came out as soon as the doors opened, we had to resort to using our banner as an umbrella....

That happened to me as well, got in about 09:40 then by 09:45 had stopped raining.

SilverTabby
28-09-2006, 13:47
I prefered that system. Though if GD went back to that, the impressive foriegn input would halt.

if the top 3 in each store got through that would still be 300 ish entries in each category.

Not really, as they would simply enter via their stores. There are many stores in France, Spain and Italy. Plus it's unfair on those (in the UK as well) who don't live near enough to a store to enter via there, and means to get a fair judging the entries would need to be left in the stores, requiring a HUGE amount of cabinet space.

And it also puts the onus of deciding what is 'good' on the store staff. Having worked in a store before now, the difference between "that's really nicely painted" and "Wow OMG that's SO COOL!" is a blurred line...

AmasNagol
28-09-2006, 18:29
And it also puts the onus of deciding what is 'good' on the store staff. Having worked in a store before now, the difference between "that's really nicely painted" and "Wow OMG that's SO COOL!" is a blurred line...

And that line isn't blurred when it comes to the GD judges recently?

SilverTabby
28-09-2006, 19:25
And that line isn't blurred when it comes to the GD judges recently?

Actually, no. Given how long the judges have worked for GW and that at least one is ex-'Eavy Metal, they tend not to blur that line. They also tend to not go for entries that - however 'cool' - would break the background material.

On what basis are you making that comment? Note, we're talking about the UK Golden Demon here, not the other GDs where the judges are local shop staff, rather than UK studio staff.

Oberon
28-09-2006, 20:13
Still waiting those pictures you promised in the 1st post, Philbrad ;)

malika
29-09-2006, 11:27
Im curious....are there more pictures out there of the Golden Demon coverage?

chosen_of_khaine
29-09-2006, 13:57
Thats okay mate, i was in early, i.e 7 am, bus gets there, and as i have chrones disease, the manager of the aberdeen store, who is a mate, asked if i could get in early to be near facilities, and i was in a position to be in the retail\FW stand at literally 9.am, so i got battleforce, 2 box war walkers, wraithlord, dire avengers, banshees and fw avatar, Yriel and autarch. but what was funny was my mate and i asked if army deal was there, they said yes....eh..no..sorry, the war walker squadron, Yes we definately have them....eh...apparently no we dont!!!!

so i was a bit annoyed that the advertsied things werer not there i.e. gaunts book! but i was fortunate to get the pick of things i wanted, so i cant complain, and no none of this stuff is going on e-bay, as i am getting the eldar army deal next month, mwu hahah, eldary goodness!


i managed to get a box of everything to =p, then i was told i would be thrown of the coach .....:eek:

Scryer in the Darkness
29-09-2006, 21:55
Im curious....are there more pictures out there of the Golden Demon coverage?

The Spanish Team have posted pics of the following:

SLAYER SWORD & Warhammer Single - GOLD - Black Orc Warboss by Albert Moretó Font (Spain)

Here: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=es_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.spanish-team.com%2fforo%2fviewtopic.php%3ft%3d2675%26start %3d0%26postdays%3d0%26postorder%3dasc%26highlight% 3d%26sid%3dc10ea77bb41a9717399841af42908653

And

Warhammer Single - SILVER - The Emissary by David "Karaikal" Rodriguez (Spain)

40K Single - GOLD - Inquisitor by David "Karaikal" Rodriguez (Spain)

LOTR Single- GOLD - Aragorn by David "Karaikal" Rodriguez (Spain)

Here: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=es_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fspanish-team.com%2fforo%2fviewtopic.php%3ft%3d2703%26sid%3 d261d9d6b6539c675f30ed66e67674d4d

And many others here: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=es_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fspanish-team.com%2fforo%2fviewtopic.php%3ft%3d2633%26postd ays%3d0%26postorder%3dasc%26start%3d315%26sid%3d26 1d9d6b6539c675f30ed66e67674d4d

Also see the GW UK website for full list of winners and some pics of the excellent runners-up here:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/goldendemon/2006%2Dseason/

Xavier
01-10-2006, 16:59
Secondly, of all the people who went to Games Day from Dundee i think only one person may have bought a couple of extras to sell on e-bay and of that i'm not sure.

My ears appear to be burning... assuming you meant me, you know the stuff I tended to ebay were only when I was unemployed and needed an alternative income ;) Not my fault some Americans pay through the nose for the stupidest things...


All in all i'm now unsure if i would like to go as a customer next year but that may have something to do with being up for 26 hours, 12 of which working by the time GD opened (i feel tired just writing about it,lol).

You must. If only for the meet up.


From now on no one complains about travelling unless they left the day before or had a bed the previous night:)

^

I realise im almost a week late in this... but thats what happens when you expect GD reports to be in the tournaments and events forum...

Tooooon
01-10-2006, 17:04
Just to let you all know, the video of Games Day 06 by myself and friend shall be up and running for you all to view this Friday :)

Sos for the delay btw lol

~Dave

WiganUltra
01-10-2006, 19:59
I realise im almost a week late in this... but thats what happens when you expect GD reports to be in the tournaments and events forum...

That's a point actually. I suppose there was some mention of 40k stuff, but really Games Day and Golden Daemon as a whole are not really 40k news or rumours.

primarch16
01-10-2006, 20:12
So...GW can do a Frodo with Ring mini which is a base with footprints in, but how dare someone do the same thing themselves?

Get some damned perspective.

I laughed my ass of when I read that, brilliant stuff :D.

Scryer in the Darkness
01-10-2006, 22:40
I realise im almost a week late in this... but thats what happens when you expect GD reports to be in the tournaments and events forum... [/color]

That's a point actually. I suppose there was some mention of 40k stuff, but really Games Day and Golden Daemon as a whole are not really 40k news or rumours.

There's been the thread below in the Games Days and Tournaments Forum at least...
Golden Daemon Winners? http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50388 (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50388)

I guess someone posted this report thread in the 40K section 'cause there was next to no Fantasy stuff on offer at Gamesday! :D



So...GW can do a Frodo with Ring mini which is a base with footprints in, but how dare someone do the same thing themselves?

Get some damned perspective.

I laughed my ass of when I read that, brilliant stuff :D.

Methinks it was just a quick'n'easy way of gaining early entry. :p

Cheers! :D