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beardstache
30-09-2006, 04:29
There's a few pictures of the new models plus a playtest battle report! I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting pretty excited for the release of BF:EVO

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/detail.php?qsID=1376&qsSeries=13

Witchsmeller
30-09-2006, 22:49
Me too. I'm not buying anything else until it comes out.

Voracioustigger
01-10-2006, 17:31
Also, if you want a little preview of SST: Evo, you can find some info from those who got a preview in the UK this weekend on the mongoose forums.

shakespear
02-10-2006, 00:56
I cant wait, I love the prepainted minis too

emperorpenguin
12-10-2006, 21:48
more pics

British Infantry http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/product_images/full_size/bfeeftfbainfantry.jpg

US Marines http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/product_images/full_size/bfeusmcinfantry.jpg

Middle East militia http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/product_images/full_size/bfemeainfantry.jpg

Chinese Infantry http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/product_images/full_size/bfeplainfantry.jpg

IG_Airborne_Ranger
26-10-2006, 21:46
Wow, I might actually get into this. I'm really interested in the modern military and always have a habit of painting Imperial Guard models to look modern as well as creating modern themed scenarios (Drop troopers vs. Chaos cultist terrorists). I mean, am I the only one that tries to have a battle with Tyranids and Chaos and tries to put them in a modern battle context?? These infantry models may not be Forgeworld quality, certainly can't compare to Elysians, but damn they still look good and this game sounds like a lot of fun.

It's almost like a tabletop version of Battlefield 2 and Command & Conquer Generals.

Senbei
27-10-2006, 11:39
Shssssh! The Lawyers haven't caught on to that point yet )_)

IG_Airborne_Ranger
27-10-2006, 22:13
Shssssh! The Lawyers haven't caught on to that point yet )_)

Lol, well as long as the MEA don't start calling themselves the GLA from C&C Generals and they don't start using cartoony vehicles like toxic tractor tanks! To me, they've got the rag tag infantry of the GLA, but the vehicles of the MEC from BF2, all of which are based on real vehicles so there's no copyright infringement there. Besides, the BF:Evo armies look closer to real world armies than ones on BF2 or C&C.

Also, are these miniatures going to be pre-assembled as well as pre-painted? I've never bought any of Mongoose's miniatures before so can anyone tell me how they compare to basic GW plastics like Cadians?

idinos
28-10-2006, 17:26
Does anyone else think that the tanks are too small?
I thought that the tanks in 40k were a bit underscale, but damn, the troops are taller than the tanks over here!
Looked quite interesting though.

IG_Airborne_Ranger
28-10-2006, 19:02
Does anyone else think that the tanks are too small?
I thought that the tanks in 40k were a bit underscale, but damn, the troops are taller than the tanks over here!
Looked quite interesting though.


It could be because the Tanks are based on a real world scale that does not conform to the fact that the troops are on BASES. It's the bases that make the infantry seem taller than the tanks. 40k Leman Russ tanks are not only based on some weird scale but they are also supposed to be taller and wider than modern main battle tanks. Just look at any tank encyclopedia and then compare an M1A1's measurements to that of a Leman Russ's measurements in Imperial Armour Vol.1.

Also, this site explains the appropriate scale for vehicles should'nt necessarly be the same as miniatures for tabletop games - http://combatzonechronicles.net/cozo5/scale.htm

idinos
28-10-2006, 21:44
So you're saying that if I stood on a shoebox I'd be taller than a tank because I would be on a BASE?
Ok, whatever, it looks like you are the expert, given your nickname, but I'll tell you, even the T72 and its low profile is taller than this, even next to people on BASES. Do you want to give me any more real life MBT lessons, especially since they are quite relevant to a game played with plastic toys?

I already wrote that 40k tanks are underscale. I don't mind that and don't wish for the tanks to be true scale as they would be too big to carry around in any number, but the fact of the matter is that the evolution tanks are too small. I don't care if their dimensions are supposedly realistic to scale. They are shorter than human figures (even ones not on a BASE) and it looks ridiculous on the table.

IG_Airborne_Ranger
29-10-2006, 02:33
So you're saying that if I stood on a shoebox I'd be taller than a tank because I would be on a BASE?
Ok, whatever, it looks like you are the expert, given your nickname, but I'll tell you, even the T72 and its low profile is taller than this, even next to people on BASES. Do you want to give me any more real life MBT lessons, especially since they are quite relevant to a game played with plastic toys?

I already wrote that 40k tanks are underscale. I don't mind that and don't wish for the tanks to be true scale as they would be too big to carry around in any number, but the fact of the matter is that the evolution tanks are too small. I don't care if their dimensions are supposedly realistic to scale. They are shorter than human figures (even ones not on a BASE) and it looks ridiculous on the table.

Jeez, no need to be sarcastic. I was'nt trying to sound like an expert or anything. I suppose they made the tanks like that for game mechanic reasons. But whatever, does'nt look that bad to me.

Brandir
04-11-2006, 06:45
Mongoose have announced that there will be stock problems when it is released:

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22976&highlight=&sid=fd06377f7144b6386a5e6d4f51f8ecb8

Basically cynical old me thinks this is a ploy for Mongoose to get more money and try and keep retailers out of the loop for the release. From what I have heard Mongoose could do with a quick cash injection and this seems to be the perfect way!

shakespear
05-11-2006, 02:06
I cant wait to play it. As a "paint hater" I hope it does well.

IG_Airborne_Ranger
05-11-2006, 21:27
I cant wait to play it. As a "paint hater" I hope it does well.

I don't hate painting, but I do want to copy the way they painted to camos for my Imperial Guard troops. What better reference materials for painting camoed miniatures than someone else's professionally painted miniatures lol.

Voracioustigger
07-11-2006, 01:10
More previews...

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23033

Here's the release schedule for those too lazy to click...

JANUARY
USMC Infantry Squad
USMC M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tank
EFTF British Army Infantry Section
EFTF British Army Challenger II Main Battle Tank
MEA Infantry Squad
PLA Infantry Squad
PLA Type 99 Main Battle Tank

FEBRUARY
USMC Shadow RST-V
EFTF British Army Command Section and Warrior APC
MEA Technicals
MEA Fedayeen Squad
PLA WZ-551 Infantry Fighting Vehicle

MARCH
USMC Force Recon Team
EFTF British Army SAS Section
MEA 2S6 Tunguska AAA
PLA Command Squad and NORINCO Fast Attack Vehicle

APRIL
Battlefield Evolution Hardback Rulebook
USMC AH-1Z Super Cobra
EFTF British Army Future Lynx
MEA Zulfiqar Main Battle Tank
PLA EQ2050 Air Defence System

Col_Stone
07-11-2006, 06:01
Voracioustigger, you should have mentioned that the rules will be available during december, *for free* on their website, so people can learn the rules and get started playing ASAP when the models hit the shelves.

Btw, the tanks are in 1/65,, i had hoped for the one true scale, 1/56 myself
but i reckon the airunits will look good at that scale tho:)

//Stone

MAD MAN-A-TRON
08-11-2006, 00:34
I'm sorry, but these models really don't do it for me, they look way out of scale and I almost puked when I saw them. The could've gotten away with calling that tank an A3 with gross looking reactive armor, but when I read it was an A2, I knew these guys were out to lunch.

It's a shame becauce I think SST is a great game and from the demo I played it is pretty fun, but some of those models are rediculous.

Brandir
08-11-2006, 07:01
I'm still left wondering whether, considering the political climate, is it wise for a wargaming company to release a game where one can set the US against the 'Middle East Alliance'?? Especially as the MEA mini seems to be designed to fit into the stereotypical Middle Eastern terrorist look.

Voracioustigger
08-11-2006, 15:09
I'm sorry, but these models really don't do it for me, they look way out of scale and I almost puked when I saw them. The could've gotten away with calling that tank an A3 with gross looking reactive armor, but when I read it was an A2, I knew these guys were out to lunch.

It's a shame becauce I think SST is a great game and from the demo I played it is pretty fun, but some of those models are rediculous.



Ummm, can you name one miniature game that is perfectly to scale? They have a few topics on the MGP forums of the Tank in BF: Evo compared to an actual pic of the tank in RL and they really aren't that far off.

Brandir -

I doubt it is meant to be offensive. They're wearing T-shirts, long pants, and a head scarf or turban. Oh wait, Mongoose has made an army of Taxi Drivers... How offensive! Wait, no, they're terrorists!

Just because we're not familiar with the typical attire, and have a negative association with those scarves and turbans doesn't mean that we SHOULD be ascribing negative traits to them.

Furthermore, the professional armies in the middle east are dressed in uniforms, whereas the religious groups are generally in plain clothes. Seeing as how the fluff for them in this says they're defending their lands from the "invaders" it sounds like they have probably have a more religious army as the fluff says they are "defending their way of life". Therefore, they seem to be more of an organized militia than a true professional force. However, I believe (looks at future units) that there will be at least a few professional units for the MEA, so I bet we can expect some uniformed MEA troops.

MAD MAN-A-TRON
08-11-2006, 16:18
They're off scale, an M1A1 is about 8 feet, so those would have to be some tall ass marines to be any where close to scale. Not counting that the model is one of the worst I've seen of an Abrams. Some other features that would escape the untrained eye are the plating in front of the loaders 240, the strange apature in front of the TC's 50. cal and the biggest thing is reactive armor. Just admit it, it's not a good model and although mongoose has done some really good looking mini's in the past, these look like crap.

A neutral shade of black.
08-11-2006, 16:20
Especially as the MEA mini seems to be designed to fit into the stereotypical Middle Eastern terrorist look.

Read closer, young padawan. The models shown are a generic Middle-Eastern militia force. These are peasants and shoemakers who have guns and fight to rid their country of yet another world power that thinks itself ruler of the world and disregards national sovereignty because it dislikes the idea of any nation except its own being sovereign. You get the idea.

If the US were invaded, would you expect the locals who go at the invaders with grandpa's hunting rifle to be wearing uniforms? I wouldn't.

Brandir
08-11-2006, 16:40
It is not just this new game from Mongoose I am uneasy about. Perhaps the reason why I generally prefer fantasy/sci fi to 'real world' based games.

At a recent wargaming show I did not really think it appropriate when I saw a demo game about US Marines in Iraq escorting a convoy being ambushed by two seperate groups.

But I would never say people should not play these games or sell them. Just personal preference.

On the subject of the tank models, I too think they are a wee bit small. But that is generally a problem for the vast majority of 'heroic' scale games so it is not really a Mongoose specific issue.

Shipmonkey
08-11-2006, 23:17
They're off scale, an M1A1 is about 8 feet, so those would have to be some tall ass marines to be any where close to scale. Not counting that the model is one of the worst I've seen of an Abrams. Some other features that would escape the untrained eye are the plating in front of the loaders 240, the strange apature in front of the TC's 50. cal and the biggest thing is reactive armor. Just admit it, it's not a good model and although mongoose has done some really good looking mini's in the past, these look like crap.

Please retrain your "trained eye." The weird device the TC's 50 is on is a Kongsberg remote weapon station, just like the Styker. It, the gun shield on the 240, and the reactive armor are part of the TUSK program of tank upgrades being introduce on the M1s. Check this out, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OCPA-2005-03-09-165522.jpg

MAD MAN-A-TRON
09-11-2006, 00:08
Please retrain your "trained eye." The weird device the TC's 50 is on is a Kongsberg remote weapon station, just like the Styker. It, the gun shield on the 240, and the reactive armor are part of the TUSK program of tank upgrades being introduce on the M1s. Check this out, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OCPA-2005-03-09-165522.jpg

That's on the A3, and my trained eye was produced at Fort Knox kentucky the home of armor, aka the Army's tank school. That's right, I was trained on this splended piece of machinery for four months, I mastered the weapon system and was even allowed the privlage of EIA of Excelence in Armor for my knowledge of my beloved tank. That system you speak of, the remote station is like the stryker's, in fact the A1 series had a similar system in which the 50. cal weapon system was able to be fired by the TC inside of the vehicle. On the A2 the TC has to expose himself outside the vehicle because of the pintle mount of the weapon system. However, it is not called an A3 and makes no mention of being this TUSK program you speak of. It specifically says it is an A2, not a sept or an ACE, just a plain old A2.

Now, my curiosity has gotten the best of me and I must ask, have you trained on the M1 series of vehicles, a better question could be, have you ever had the honor of serving your country in its military? I would say that although you seem knowledable, which is respectable, the only civilians who would know more about a particular weapon system would be the ones who designed and built the thing. So are you one of the designer of this fine instriment of warfare, or do you work in one of the facilities that overhaules these tanks? Because if that is not the case,it would mean that you read what some internet sight had to say and now you think of yourself as some arm-chair offionado on armored vehicles.

Witchsmeller
09-11-2006, 01:06
Would you believe the U.S. Armies own website regarding the TUSK upgade to the M1A2?

http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=6985

MAD MAN-A-TRON
09-11-2006, 01:16
That's the funny thing about the military, if ever another foreign power wanted to know more about of weapons and vehicles, all they would have to do is walk into a hobby shop and take a look in the model section, with the internet, it is even easier.

bobert the great clen one
10-11-2006, 14:42
i like em but they ook out of proportion

Rykion
10-11-2006, 15:20
However, it is not called an A3 and makes no mention of being this TUSK program you speak of. It specifically says it is an A2, not a sept or an ACE, just a plain old A2.
Except that it does specifically say on the product page for it that it has the TUSK update.
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/detail.php?qsID=1371&qsSeries=Battlefield%20Evo

Christine
10-11-2006, 16:32
You know if theres a game I've seen recently that's had people bitching about it then it's this one. Gee guys lighten up!

erion
10-11-2006, 17:04
Part of the reason I prefer sci-fi to modern/historicals.

No One can tell me that ubar-doom-tanks of the future don't look like that.

MAD MAN-A-TRON
10-11-2006, 18:06
Except that it does specifically say on the product page for it that it has the TUSK update.
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/detail.php?qsID=1371&qsSeries=Battlefield%20Evo

Ah, thank you for that, I stand corrected. This, however doesn't change the fact that the more I look at the model, the more I dislike it. Sometimes, I really wish I didn't know so much about military stuff, so when I watched a movie, or looked a game like this, I could be ignorant and just think it was cool, but the little details are what kills things for me, in this case, I find more things ot my dislike that others.

Rykion
10-11-2006, 19:20
Sometimes, I really wish I didn't know so much about military stuff, so when I watched a movie, or looked a game like this, I could be ignorant and just think it was cool, but the little details are what kills things for me, in this case, I find more things ot my dislike that others.
I understand this feeling as I can't stand a WWII movie where they get some random tank and call it a Tiger or Panther. I also cringe a little whenever an actor tries to salute or seems to be just taking a stroll out in the open during a battle sequence. If there's enough good in a war movie I can get past the hollywoodisms.

I actually like the look of the BF:EVO miniatures. They are far from perfectly accurate scale replicas of what they represent, but I've never seen a miniatures line that is. Miniature infantry have oversized weapons and exaggerated physical features and details. Manufacturers tend to pick a scale for vehicles slightly smaller than the infantry so they can be produced cheaper and don't take up the entire battlefield. Even model companies have trouble getting everything right.