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Mooglemen
03-10-2006, 19:43
Salutations and welcome to my Dark Elf project log. I am working my way up to 2000 points and beyond, so this will be quite a project. I've become quite interested in miniature photography over the last month, so expect to see lots of pictures.

My theme is to make a woodland raider force from the southern area of Dark Elf lands where they border Lustria. To this end I will be using a fair share of cold ones and painting alot of earth tones (greens, browns, etc.)

Here we go with some pics...
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/RBT/completeRBT.jpg
The first completed unit, a Reaper Bolt Thrower

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Core%20Warriors/ranknfile.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Core%20Warriors/ranknfileback.jpg
Next is the first core warrior test model. He'll soon be a full unit.(I need to rephoto this guy... his skin is no longer blue)

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Hero%20and%20Lord/coldone2.jpg
My first Cold One. I just bought and plan to convert an Imrik model to go on his back. More pics to come...

Mooglemen
03-10-2006, 19:53
...Continuing with some conversions/works in progress

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Chariot/chariotinprogress.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Chariot/Chariotbase.jpg
Here is a WIP chariot. I thought that since they are going to be rolling around in the jungle alot, I should give the chariot some all-terrain wheels. I usually don't do alot of work on bases, but I gave this one a solid green-stuffing. If you look closely, you can see the tire treads and the foot-prints of the cold ones.

Finally...
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Hero%20and%20Lord/WIPmant2.jpg
I wanted a manticore in my army, but I hate the current manticore model. Sticking with my cold one theme, I thought it would be cool to have a giant, flying cold one. So I combined a Lizardman Carnosaur with some dragon wings and green-stuff. That is the result. I'm thinking of using one of the riders from the Wood Elf Dragon as a sorceress or beastmaster.

That is all for now. I'll be adding more pics as progress is made.

th0r
03-10-2006, 21:00
Wow, thats a pretty cool looking manticore! I like your cold one, specifically the scales and how it looks next to the main color. The color scheme is pretty cool and unique. Would like to see some more completed photos of the spearman. Also, are you inking the entire model? He looks a little shiny. Keep up the good work.

DirtJumper
03-10-2006, 21:38
I think it's varnish, and if it is, you will definatly want to get some Dullcoate to take away they shine. That manticore is a fantastic idea and looks simply amazing.

meowser
04-10-2006, 05:44
that's big enough to be your Black Dragon ^_^

Mooglemen
04-10-2006, 09:47
Thanks for the comments people. First, I haven't varnished anything in my modelling career. I just have to concede that I like to ink things, sometimes to a fault. I just think Chestnut Ink is the swiss army knife of paint. I usually do a base color, then heavily ink the whole thing, then highlight my way up. Sometimes that leaves a bit of the original ink showing through when I'm done, but I guess that's just my style and it's not likely to change anytime soon.

As for the warrior, unfortunately at the moment he is the only one I have done. I have a hard time striking a balance between making a work of art out of a rank-and-file guy, and actually getting a unit done. But once I finish the chariot, I am going to bang out the rest of the unit of warriors. All alone, that one guy looks a bit indistinct, but when he's among 19 of his buddies, he'll probably look a bit better. I think that pic is so big and clear that it gives a little TOO much away.

Anyway, thanks for the comments, and I hope you'll check back when I add more.

Punk_in_Drublic
04-10-2006, 10:08
It's a nice and original idea. The manticore conversion is awesome. Two things I'd like to critisise on though.

1) The all terrain wheels on your chariot. it's just too modern looking for a fantasy chariot.

2) Painting metal. I think you would get a much better result if you took the time to paint on the metal, like ordinary paint, not drybrush it. Try boltgun basecoat over black, chainmail and mithril silver highlights. Wash it down with a thin black or brown glaze.

LAter,

-Punk

Mooglemen
05-10-2006, 20:19
It's not much, but it's progress...

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Chariot/Crew1front.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Chariot/Crew1back.jpg

The first of two crewmen for the chariot. The picture leaves a bit to be desired, but after a few attempts, this is the best I could get. I wish some of the details, particularly around the face, had come out better.

A quick question to anyone out there reading this, what do you do with the open end of sleeves (e.g. the point where the arm meets the chainmail on the above model)? Specifically, what do you paint in all that open black space?

@Punk_In_Drublic: I took your advice and went for a more direct paintjob on the blade for this model. I agree, it does look better. (Also, in honor of that advice, I listened to Punk In Drublic while painting this guy)

Mooglemen
18-10-2006, 19:15
Anyone who knows the model I used as this noble will think it a supreme act of heresy to use him in a dark elf army, but so be it.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Hero%20and%20Lord/CONobleFront.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Hero%20and%20Lord/CONobleright.jpg

I spent most of the last week working on this noble. I think he turned out alright. I may have grown lazy toward the end as I finished the lance arm, but I can live with it as it is now.
The only part that might need more work is the face. He looks rather jowly at the moment. Any suggestions/comments fellow Warseers?

god octo
18-10-2006, 19:19
the colour scheme you have used looks very nice- very Lustrian!

Grimtuff
18-10-2006, 19:31
Rather nice, but remove those bloody tyres from the Chariot. Seriously. Not wanting to sound rude, but it makes the model look crap.

Mooglemen
18-10-2006, 19:36
Wow, two people agree that the chariot tires are crap... I'm still not convinced that with a bit of creative painting I can't make it work out. I guess I'll have to reserve judgement untill I get the thing painted. I can always slap the original wheels back on. The chariot is next up in my painting roster, so we'll see soon enough.

Grimtuff
18-10-2006, 19:42
As already said, they're too modern, aside from that, they're also not Elven-looking so don't fit with the look of the army IMO.

mrtn
20-10-2006, 05:58
I, as others, like everything but the wheels. :)

brother_fandango
20-10-2006, 06:57
YOU!!

-paint quite nicely.
-have AWESOME ideas for most of you conversions
-will need to pull a miriacle to make those wheels work. maybe two wooden stylke wheels on each side would work better?

Mooglemen
20-10-2006, 07:25
Brother_Fandango... You!!! make me feel all warm and fuzzy when you say nice things about my minis. Thanks for the compliment, my ego always has room to grow.

Back to the topic at hand, I think in light of popular opinion I am going to capitulate and see what else I can do with those wheels. I still think the original wheels look a little too flimsy to be tooling around the lustrian jungle. Let's face it, the original wheel might crush a skink, but won't even stub the toe of a saurus. My current wheels will likely break a Saurus' ankle and/or kneecap. Perhaps a happy medium is needed. Does anyone have a suggestion for an alternate wheel that will be hefty enough to give a Suarus a bad day AND still roll over the dense underbrush of Lustria AND not look like an... err... anachronism (but in reverse. Is there a word for something that looks out of place because it's futuristic?)

On an urelated note, does anyone out there have an opinion on the shield I did for my Cold One Noble? While I think it turned out alright, I'm worried it looks a little too busy. It's got kind of a Zulu warrior shield thing going on. Would something more simple work better, or should I continue this style for all my shields?

Thanks all for giving my log the time of day.

BlazeXI
20-10-2006, 08:38
1. Change the wheels, please!
2. black is fine for inner sleeves
3. Change the wheels
4. Nice colour scheme
5. Change the wheels
6. keep on posting (after you will have changed the chariot wheels:evilgrin: )


really nice appearance. Consider me subscribed.

Punk_in_Drublic
20-10-2006, 08:57
If you wanna get technical, there is a reason why chariots break when they hit a terrain feature in wfb. They are not designed to slog it around in the jungle, plastic wheels or not. your idea of reinforced wheels is fine, but make a medieval twist on it (like extra spokes, metal instead of wood, etc).

Great progress, your lord looks really cool. Your paintscheme is original, and it's growing on me every time I check out the thread. Well done!

Later,

-Punk

Alex Under
26-10-2006, 10:28
Please, get on with this log, I NEED to see that Manticore painted! ;)

Arcane_Blade
26-10-2006, 18:04
This is a very original idea and twist on the Dark Elves, one that I like. :) The first thing I wanted to say was the wheels. However, as you have said you will change them, and everyone else has voiced my opinions anyway, I won't complain. However, as Punk said, there's no problem with your idea of reinforcing the wheels, but use a more medieval touch on them, something that would really fit in with that age. Not tires from the future. :rolleyes: Despite the wheels, I think everything looks great, and very original. The first picture I saw I was a little worried after a while that it'll become too Wood Elf'y'. However, the rest have silenced the thought. Very well done, and loving the colour scheme. In answer to the shield question, I think it looks fine. However, there is something about the model that looks 'busy'. I'm not even sure what it is, and it's probably just me anyway. :p Keep up the excellent work. :)

Mooglemen
26-10-2006, 21:29
Thanks everyone. I'm making progress on that chariot and should have it done in the next few days. Unfortunately, I am going to be out of touch with my camera for the next 10 days. I'll have to ask around to see if anyone I know will let me borrow one.

As for painting the manticore... well all I can say is that it is going to be quite a project. My rough estimate judging by the speed I paint and my planned scheme for it requites something like 10 days of 3-hour sessions.(and considering I don't want to rush this thing, it could take longer). Once i start it and have a camera ready, I'll try and post some WIP pics to hold you over. I don't know if I want to start the manticore after I finish this chariot, or go for the unit of Cold One Knights I just bought.

While I likely wont have any pics for awhile, be sure to tune in during the first week of november when I'll have progress to show.

squiggoth
26-10-2006, 23:22
Looking good so far ..... Dark Elves who are not dressed in purple, purple and purple actually look quite nice. ;)


The only part that might need more work is the face. He looks rather jowly at the moment. Any suggestions/comments fellow Warseers?

It's the extreme shading below his cheekbones that does that. Just sprinkle some Elf Flesh on top, and the jawline is fixed. :)

Pekel
27-10-2006, 04:06
Love the Lustrian theme - never seen it on Dark Elves before. You going to be making jungle bases? A few aquarium plants could give you quite a nice look. Plus it'd match the Lustrian Beastmen I'm going to be making. :D

Mooglemen
08-11-2006, 20:51
After three weeks of work, I finally have a complete chariot. After much debate and consideration, I have decided to stick with my funky wheels. I appreciate all your thoughts on the matter though, and look forward to any comments on the finished thing.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Chariot/charside2.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Chariot/charfront.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Chariot/charfinalside1.jpg

Next up: A unit of Dark Elf warriors. Then... THE MANTICORE!

Boss_Salvage
08-11-2006, 21:46
Great painting, especially on those cold ones. That said, while I'm not dying over those big rubber tires, they are a bit odd. You thought about using the Dwarf artillery wheels (http://store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us?do=Individual&code=99399999058&orignav=9)? I don't think they'd be too small, and they're a steal at $1 ...

Whatever you decide to do, keep it up, looking good.

- Salvage

Mooglemen
09-11-2006, 07:43
Poop! Wouldn't you know, I finish the model, show it to some people and I break the whip arm off the guy. I'd love to pin the thing, but the arm is too small. Oh well, time to do some repairs and be more careful with it in the future.

Boss_Salvage: I think those wheels would work, but I am officially calling this model done. Fortuantely(or unfortunately considering it took so long to paint) my list calls for another chariot, so I shall investigate either using the standard wheels on the next one, or going with a less controversial alternate wheel for the second chariot. Alas, that will not be for some time. I don't think I can strare at a chariot any longer for at least another couple months.

Monk
15-11-2006, 00:06
Lookin' good man, too bad that guy's whip arm is so fragile. :(

Mooglemen
12-12-2006, 18:03
OK, we all know how this happens. You start painting something (in this case, that unit of warriors). Everything seems to be going fine, then you start to get bored of it. You want to move on to something else, but you promised yourself you would finish this first. So, the problem spirals out of control. You want to paint, but you have left yourself no other option but to paint the very thing you wish you were already done with. And so you slowly, day by day, slide out of the habit of painting and before you know it, a few weeks have gone by and you haven't painted a damn thing. The realization hits you then that your original promise to paint that unit was an unnecessary limit placed on your own creativity. "I can paint whatever I *******' want!" you shout at your empty painting room, then sit back down to try something new after weeks of inactivity.

I have just done this very thing. I know I promised to do the manticore, but some promises were never meant to last. So, without further ado, I present you... my first DARK RIDER!

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Dark%20Riders/DR1right.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Dark%20Riders/DR1rear.jpg
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Dark%20Riders/DR1left.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Dark%20Riders/DR1frontA.jpg

This marks the first time I have ever painted a horse that still had flesh on it (remember I did Tomb Kings before this). I think of this as a learning experience since I have about 9 more of these waiting in my painting queue. Overall, I think it turned out alright. Perhaps my color choices for some the rider could have been better. I think the boots fail to stand out next to the horse since they are so similar in color. Also, I completely failed to fill in the mold line where the head of the horse meets the body, but I can live with that. But anyway, enough of my ramblings, what do you think people?

Arhalien
12-12-2006, 18:52
woo! Another fantasy log!

I have to say that I'm with everyone on the wheels, but I'll let it rest. Otherwise, I really like the painting quality and the scheme. The schme actually manages to amke the cold ones a bit more lively looking, as opposed to the stupid, dull appearance that they have when painted grey.

Mooglemen
31-01-2007, 00:03
OK people, so I've been without a camera for awhile (the one I was using broke), but I am back. I have been making some progress, but mostly in the are of buying and assembling my army. I now own just about all the miniatures I will need. As for painting, I have been bouncing back and forth between pieces, trying to get the base layers down on alot of things so I can cut down on the time to finish each model later. I have my second dark rider nearly finished, and will have pics in the next few days when I get it all done.
For now, I can show you my first Cold One Knight!
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/CO%20Knights/COK1a.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/CO%20Knights/COK1d.jpg
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/CO%20Knights/COK1b.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/CO%20Knights/COK1c.jpg

He of course, still needs a base and a few small clean-ups, but on the whole I like how it turned out. I agonized over how to make this model fit with my color-scheme. Anyway, I hope to update this thing more frequently in the future.

Snotteef
31-01-2007, 13:16
You agonized over the cold one rider, but he is definitely the best of the bunch! Good job!

Boss_Salvage
31-01-2007, 14:17
Yes, this project log is back! Cold one knight looks very nice, and I really like how you do your cold ones, including those on the chariot. So much that I wouldn't mind messing around with some of the ol' hump-backed lizards ...

- Salvage

cyphertheory
31-01-2007, 14:57
they look great, you should be proud of that cold one knight, you really pulled of that paint scheme.

and its great to have not only a wfb log, but a dark elf one!

any progress on that awesome mahoosive winged cold one heh?

Mooglemen
31-01-2007, 19:15
No progress on the manticore yet. I've been playtesting my army alot, and I am still undecided as to what to have riding the thing. The Lvl. 4 sorceress has it's advantages, but is expensive. The Lord level fighter certainly brings the pain... I don't know. Maybe I could model something suitably ambiguous so that it could be either. Then again, maybe I should do 2!!!

Anyway, I finished another Dark rider last night. The idea with these units is that I don't want any two horses to look the same (much like real horses). So, without further ado, here is DR#2...

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Dark%20Riders/DR2a.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Dark%20Riders/DR2c.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Dark%20Riders/DR2b.jpg

I had a hard time with this one. I wanted a grey horse, and thought it would be a good idea to start with a GW Shadow Grey base coat. Unfortunately, that color is rather blue in practice. No matter how far I highlighted the horse, it still looked blue. So I more or less restarted the model... and it still looks bluish (just less so than before). Oh well, I can live with how it looks. I still have 8 more of these to go through.
Also, you might notice that this rider's cloak is a more vibrant green than the last one. That's not exactly deliberate, I just couldn't remember the colors I used to do the last guy.

Mooglemen
31-01-2007, 19:22
Oh, and for anyone who was curious where I am going as far as army composition, here are the units I've been playing with.


--HERO--
Lvl. 4 Sorceress on Manticore
Lvl. 2 Sorceress on Dark Steed
Dark Elf Noble on Cold One


--CORE--

5 Dark Riders
5 Dark Riders
15 Spear Warriors
15 Spear Warriors
15 Spear Warriors

--SPECIAL--

5 Cold One Knights
5 Cold One Knights
2 Cold One Chariots

--RARE--

1 Reaper Bolt Thrower

Zanusiekk
31-01-2007, 19:57
I like these a lot, especially since it's so uncommon with original DE colour schemes. The wheels on the chariot would have been just plain silly if they were made of rubber. As it stands, with your paint scheme, it becomes quite obvious that they are in fact made of Magic Elven Material(tm), which makes them all right :)

Seriously, though, I really like the style of this army, so keep it up!

Mooglemen
06-03-2007, 19:39
Long time no update, I know. I have been without camera for a long time. Fortunately I have some good progress to show.
First up, a new noble on foot...
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Hero%20and%20Lord/Footnoblefront.jpg http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Hero%20and%20Lord/Footnobleback.jpg

That Sea Dragon Cloak is a lot more intricate than the photo shows. It took me a whole day just to get it right. Also, I did some good work with the underside of the cloak, then covered it up with the shield (borrowed from the lizardman on Carnasaur). I tried to get a pic of that, but it just won't photo so you'll have to see it in person.

I did this model, then took a long break, but then this weekend I went to a store tournament which inspired me to crank out a few more minis. So, I present to you the first six of my planned 12 Executioners, complete with my new custom movement tray which shows the planned final presentation of the army...

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Special%20Infantry/previewfr.jpg
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l260/mooglemen/Special%20Infantry/previewba.jpg

Once I finish three more execs plus the command unit, I plan to bang out more core warriors so I can have a larger percent of my army painted.

What do you think people?

Arhalien
06-03-2007, 19:43
Very good work moogleman; well worth the wait!

I like the conversion on the noble and the executioneres look nice too :)

One small criticism is that the ink seems to have pooled quite a bit on the draichs which looks a bit odd; not really as natural as it could be.

Still good though, what's next ? :D

Pekel
06-03-2007, 20:33
Color scheme goes great on the Executioners. Keep up the work - this is much more interesting than a boring unthemed Dark Elves army. I was never much a fan of DE until now. :D

Asuril
07-03-2007, 03:05
Absolutely love the painting.

Absolutely hate those wheels.

OnnO
07-03-2007, 07:13
Absolutely love the painting.

Absolutely hate those wheels.

I can only agree, on both points...

Mooglemen
07-03-2007, 18:13
Thanks for the kind words people. Now, I must lay down the law... I get it about the chariot wheels!!! I realize the general community doesn't like them, and I was close to dropping them, but they have kind of grown on me for the last few months. I am even going to put them on my second chariot. All reservations about the chariot's wheels have been considered and ultimately rejected.

OK, now that that's out of the way, I ordered some magnets for my bases today. Once they get here, I'll be working on cutting some metal for my new custom bases so I can have some deluxe magnetized units.

Boss_Salvage
07-03-2007, 18:26
Excellent to see updates to this blog. I'm a big fan of the color scheme and your painting in general, and the new noble is case in point. Looking forward to more updates ;);)

On the wheels, I wasn't a believer at first but I dig them well enough now. Make the other chariot with them and then 'whatev' to everyone else :D

- Salvage