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Doctor Thunder
05-10-2006, 04:39
Okay, time for a big project update. I've got six new squads to show off, and we're about ready to start painting this beast. Just a couple more squads and characters to go.

I'll put a copy of the FAQ and some brief fluff following the thumbnails, but, please understand, I'm posting the fluff so that the pictures can be viewed in context, this is not an invitation for people to vent their geek-rage about the existance of female space marines.

You guys know the drill. Just click on the thumbnails for bigger pictures and let me know what you think. A lot of what I'm posting here today is the direct result of comments and suggestions made by helpful posters, so I appreciate good ideas.




Okay, first up are two squads that I'm really happy with. I had a lot of suggestions to make some Valkyries holding their weapon in both hands, rather than a brace of pistols, and these squads were the result.
Getting them to hold the guns wa a real beast of a project, but I really like the way they turned out. The Exorcits helmets fit the bodies perfectly, and I'd love to use them more often if I could only get a hold of more of them. Unfortunately, there are only two on each exorcist sprue, so they're very difficult to aquire.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/DoctorThunder/Big%20Valkyrie%20Update/th_Kaiser7.jpg (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/DoctorThunder/Big%20Valkyrie%20Update/Kaiser7.jpg)
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Doctor Thunder
05-10-2006, 04:40
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Next up we've got some squads armed with HTH weapons. I spent a lot of time searching for HTH combat weapons that fit the look and the feel for the Valkyries, and my search ended when I was able to get a hold of some very old Eldar Close Combat Weapon Sprues, which they don't make anymore. While unmistakably chainswords, they are lighter and sleeker, and I am very fond of the way they turned out.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/DoctorThunder/Big%20Valkyrie%20Update/th_Sword7.jpg (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/DoctorThunder/Big%20Valkyrie%20Update/Sword7.jpg)

Doctor Thunder
05-10-2006, 04:41
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Doctor Thunder
05-10-2006, 04:42
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For this squad I used some of the hooded heads from the Wood Elf line. In addition to giving my units a little variety in appearance, it also gives them a more stealthy and experienced look. These may end up being veterans, but I find it's best not to worry too much about what will be what at this point, and just have fun coming up with new stuff. This also gave me an opportunity to re-use some of my favorite gun conversions so far. In spite of evidence to the contrary, I do not have an inexhaustable supply of good weapons conversions ideas, so it was nice to be able to build a squad without having to spend so much time figuring out how to convert their weapons.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/DoctorThunder/Big%20Valkyrie%20Update/th_Hood7.jpg (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/DoctorThunder/Big%20Valkyrie%20Update/Hood7.jpg)
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Doctor Thunder
05-10-2006, 04:42
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Doctor Thunder
05-10-2006, 04:43
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Okay, now onto some really cool stuff. Inspired by a Final Fantasy weapon I saw once, where a saber and pistol were merged into a single weapon, I decided to create a couple of HTH squads with that look to them. Both of the bitz used to create the pistol/swords are bayonets from rogue trader era space marines. I must say I have been very fortunate over the past year in finding a lot of very old but extremely useful bitz to trade for that I would not have otherwise been able to use, and I think the quality of the entire project has really benefitted from them. This squad also recieved the extra armor plates along the thighs, which I am very happy with, but, unfortunately, was only able to get a hold of about 40 or so, enough for two squads, of which this is the second. No doubt, some players will consider it sacrilige that I chopped up so many irreplaceable Epic Knights to get them, but such is the price we must pay to get the conversions to look the way we want them to.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/DoctorThunder/Big%20Valkyrie%20Update/th_Pointy6.jpg (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/DoctorThunder/Big%20Valkyrie%20Update/Pointy6.jpg)
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Doctor Thunder
05-10-2006, 04:44
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Okay, I've saved the best for last. This squad uses the same kind of dueling pistol as the previous squad, but with chainsaw blades both on the sword and on the pistol. Very cool. I can just imagine the sound of their two chain-blades creating a stereo effect as they eviscerate their opponants. Any old pistol can pistol-whip, but when these pistols hit they carry a real bite. This was also a chance to include some more traditional-looking space marine type weapons, which is something I'm sure a lot of people will be happy to see.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/DoctorThunder/Big%20Valkyrie%20Update/th_Chain5.jpg (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/DoctorThunder/Big%20Valkyrie%20Update/Chain5.jpg)

Doctor Thunder
05-10-2006, 04:45
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Be sure to let me know what you think.




P.S. Here's the FAQ for anyone who hasn't been following the project so far.


FAQ

Q: What are the bits you have used?
A: Here's the bitz breakdown:
Heads: Wood Elf Archers, Amazons from Mordheim, and SOB Exorcist heads
Torso and legs: Dark Elf Warrior
Arms: Space Marine Scout
Backpack: Forgeworld Elysian Grav Chute
Pistols: Plasma Pistols with bitz from Robotech Missiles, kroot rifles, bolter scopes, etc.
Heavy Weapon: Generally the Bit from 1/144th scale Robotech Toy with grip added from boltgun and space marine sight, although a copuple have heavy weapons made from Epic Knights.
Special Weapon: Plasma Pistols with Bits from Pintle Mounted Stubbers, Necron Guass rifles, flamers, etc.
The Mini-Dread Terminators are made from Stealth Suit Legs, terminator arms, and the torsos from Epic Knights.


Q: When are you going to paint them and what colors are you going to use?
A: I always assemble everything before I paint. This is because I have, in the past, had to tear apart painted models when I decided to convert something differently half-way through the project. As far as colors, I haven't really decided yet. Right now, I'm leaning towards jade tunics with lavender armor.


Q: I thought the fluff said Female Space Marines were impossible?
A: It doesn't say it is 'impossible.' The current fluff says that the geneseed used by the Imperium only works in males. I am, in no way contradicting that.
Why?
Because it does not say that, anciently, there was not any other kinds of geneseed. It only says that the known geneseed only works in males.
I am simply filling that void by saying that, anciently, there were other kinds of geneseed, and I am giving what I believe to be a reasonable historical reason for why it dissapeared and no one but a few knew of its existence, and why it has now reappeared.
I am not attempting to alter the fluff. I am attempting to fill in voids that GW has intentionally built into the fluff for the express purpose of players creating their own fluff.
Actually I quite like the idea of female primarchs that were later betrayed and purged by Guilleman's new Imperium. It makes sense, to me, why their records no longer exist, especially when the records of traitor legions still exist. I mean, what can you do that's worse then going over to chaos that would cause the records to be expunged? Well, the Imperium covering up for one of it's greatest acts of treachery against two of their own loyal legions is a reasonable reason for that for me.
It also explains why individuals like Bjorn the fell handed will not speak of the subject when questioned. He would rather that the young ones not know that the Imperium was birthed in the betrayal of those who fought for it.
Above all else, I want people to understand that I am creating this army and it's fluff out of a love for 40K fluff, not in disregard of it.


Q: Are they really supposed to be Space Marines or are they just something that uses the space marine rules?
A: The Valkyries of the Omnissiah are Space Marines. They are not a joke army. Their fluff fits cleanly into the 40K background just like any other DIY chapter. They are modified from regular human females using geneseed just like other chapters, except that their geneseed only works on females.


Q: How come they don't look like those freaky female body builders?
A: Female Space Marines have a muscle tissue vastly different then that of a normal astartes. During the development of geneseed prior to the great crusade, it was found that the simultaneous muscle twitch fiber that had been developed would deteriorate when exposed to the hormone balance in a male astartes, so that part of the project was abandoned, and male astartes were modified to have larger muscles instead. The simultaneous twitch fibers, however, could be sustained in a female astartes hormone balance, and their geneseed still contains this powerful modification. Subsequently, female astartes have comparable strength to their male counterparts, but do not require a large musclebound physique.


Q: How come their armor doesn't look thicker?
A: Their Mark XI power armor utilizes newer materials developed from STC fragments unearthed in the catecombs beneath Diab. Consequently the armor is thinner and lighter then bulky ceremite plates, but provides nearly identicle ballistic and energy weapon protection.
Also, the legs and arms are armored beneath the dress and sleeves. The kerasteel chainmail skirt provides extra protection, but is not the only armor on their legs.


Q: How come they don't use boltguns?
A: Valkyries are designed to hunt male astartes. One of the major drawbacks of marine equipment is their reliance on ammunition resupply. Even their energy weapons have componants that must be replaced every few dozen shots. Valkyrie weapons are universally energy-based, with fission cores designed to sustain fire for years without replacement. This allows Valkyries to continually attack marine formations, forcing them to engage in lengthy and ammunition-guzzling firefights that they normally try to avoid. Resupply and redeployment are further denied by Thundervina fighters, designed for a single purpose, to hunt thunderhawks. When marine formations are depleted of ammunition, the Valkyries move in for the killing blow. Special radiation charges are placed on marine corpses, forever destroying any opportunity to recover their geneseed.
Additionally, since their weapons do not require ammunition for years at a time, there is no need for standardized weapons in order to simplify logistics, therefore each squad is equipped with (often experimental) weapons built by an individual artificer, rather than a template design.


Q: What is their background and where did their geneseed come from?
A: The Background for them is that the two missing legions and their primarchs were female during the great crusade. During the Heresy, they remained loyal to the Emperor, but were nearly destroyed during the conflict.
Rouberte Guilleman was many things. A brilliant tactical commander, a keen administrator, and an immovable chauvinist. With his unique position of power following the heresy, he had an opportunity to reshape the Imperium as he saw fit. There would be no place for female astartes in his new empire, and the survivors from the two female legions were killed, their names expunged from all records, and their remaining geneseed stocks ordered destroyed.
It was only after this display of ruthlessness that the remaining primarchs consented to have their legions broken up into chapters. They could see that Guilleman would go to any length to see his plans implemented.
The story might have ended there, but the Adpetus Mechanicus of Mars have always followed their own agenda. Guilleman ordered all geneseed stocks on mars moved to terra, in order to limit the power of the mechanicus, and commanded any remaining female geneseed destroyed. Under the threat of war, the Fabricator General handed over the remaining stocks of male geneseed, but sealed sealed away the stocks of female geneseed instead of destroying them, into endless vaults of the red planet.
Ten millenia later, The Adeptus Mechanicus of Mars has determined that the Imperium is too weak to survive, and has begun a military build up that will culminate in the destruction of the Adeptus of Terra.
As the determined date approaches, the vaults of mars have been unsealed, and the geneseed of the lost legions is being used, in secret, to create genetically modified warriors that can match the Adeptus Astartes in the coming war.
The Valkyries of the Omnissiah are a shadow force that answer only to the Fabricator General of Mars. Only those highest in the Machine Cult hierarchy even know of it's existence. It's deployment is always preceded by a communications blockout that masks their involvement and limits the possibility of exposure. Nevertheless, rumors have circulated from time to time, and the fear of their discovery prematurely triggering the inevitable war between mars and terra means that they are deployed only under the most dire of circumstances.


Q: What is the personality of the Valkyries? Do they have their own agenda?
A:Valkyrie initiates are recruited from a small cluster of planets controlled by the mechanicus known as Eden's belt. A cluster of formerly lush forested worlds that were all reduced to barren wastelands during the Badab Uprising, in which both loyalist and seperatist Space Marine factions used atomic and viral weapons repeatedly with little regard for the native populations.
Consequently, the descendants of the survivors of the Eden's belt have an unrelenting hatred for the Adeptus Astartes that is drilled into them at a very young age as they are shown holo-vids of the beautiful worlds they once lived on.
Those young girls who are selected to become Valkyries see themselves as holy warriors, personally chosen by the machine god to right the wrongs done to their people.
Consequently, the Valkyries are known to look for any excuse they can to pursue and destroy Space Marine forces whenever they are deployed, which has nearly lead, on several occasions, to their exposure.
They deeply admire the Cult of the Machine, and consider it to be the perfect reflecion of human acheivement and the ultimate alter to worship. The Imperial Cult, in contrast, they believe has infected the pure science of humanity with the worship of witchcraft and the adoration of psykers, both of which they ascribe as xenos influences and not of human origin.
The clans of the Eden's belt have a simple oath which is sworn to the mechanicus. In trade for their firstborn daughters, the worlds of the Eden's belt are slowly being terraformed by ancient and costly devices, a process that will take centuries.
It is believed among the Valkyries that every marine they kill will speed this process along, the death of the final marine completing the process.
So, they are loyal to the Mechanicus, partly out of worship, but mostly because it gives them what they want the most, which is a chance to strike back at the demons who arruined their homelands, and return their worlds to the beauty they once had.
They consider their own transformation into genetically-enhanced warriors to be a necessary evil, but the guilt of becoming so near to that which they hate so much often causes them deep psycological scarring. There have been unconfirmed reports of Valkyries cutting themselves open to remove the extra organs in thier bodies. Spiritually, they are uncertain what their ultimate fate will be, if their sacrifice on behalf of their clans is enough to cleanse their bodies, or if nothing can redeem them from what they have become.


Whew, that was a long post. Hope everybody enjoyed. My thanks goes out to everyone who has contributed their time and creativity to making this project better. I can honestly say that it would not be turning out half as good were it not for the people on these boards who have made suggestions to improve them. To those people, my thanks.

Doctor Thunder
05-10-2006, 18:21
I've been getting some questions on some other forums on what I used to make the chain-pistols. They were made from a chainsaw bayonet from rogue trader era plastic space marines, back when they were yellow plastics.

Doctor Thunder
06-10-2006, 14:12
262 views and no comments? C'Mon guys, you can do better then that.:p

Anyway, I've had some requests on other boards for an army shot of all ten squads completed so far, so here ya' go:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/DoctorThunder/Big%20Valkyrie%20Update/ArmyShot.jpg

cookiescrumble
06-10-2006, 14:16
Very nice theme and you have stuck to it. You going to use it as a Space Maine or Witch hunters army?

Jimbobjeff
06-10-2006, 21:35
looking really good, the fluff nazis will still have a field day though.....

Steeple_jackuk
06-10-2006, 23:56
Great bit of conversion work, man you must have spent a fortune getting those different bits together. What will really make this army shine is how you tie it altogether pain wise.

Sj.

Ziljin
07-10-2006, 00:46
aren't sisters of battles female space marines?

That's what I always thought. Never was interested in the witchhunters tho.

jansenm
07-10-2006, 02:16
aren't sisters of battles female space marines?

That's what I always thought. Never was interested in the witchhunters tho.

no they are just human with power armour
not super human

Grotsnik
07-10-2006, 06:21
You have certainly put a lot of time and effort into this project. For that alone I commend you.
But the figures?
Sorry but to me they look like a bunch of fantasy figs with an assortment of weird looking guns.

Velkyn Kyil
07-10-2006, 07:33
You need to do something about that banner of theirs. Having such a long banner flapping in the wind demands one hell of a wind, and it just doesn't look realistic...

lordmetroid
07-10-2006, 08:32
Ohh... cool, awsome I really like these! Better and neater looking then the Witch hunters. Musr have taken quite some time and money though. No vehicles of any kind? Where is the variation?

firestorm40k
07-10-2006, 14:38
Nice army shot, Dr Thunder! Gald to see this project is progressing. :cool:

Doctor Thunder
07-10-2006, 15:11
You need to do something about that banner of theirs. Having such a long banner flapping in the wind demands one hell of a wind, and it just doesn't look realistic...

Man, this is 40K!

It's not supposed to look realistic, it's supposted to look cool. ;)



No vehicles of any kind? Where is the variation?
If you do a search for my other Valkyrie threads, you can see the vehicles I made. They didn't turn out right and got shelved, but I may try again if I get some more money. Currently, I'm going to wait for GW to release a plastic Drop pod model. Until then, it'll be an all-infantry army.


Sorry but to me they look like a bunch of fantasy figs with an assortment of weird looking guns.Are you kidding? Most of the core 40K armies look like that. That's because Fantasy came out first, and GW just made 40K versions of most of the fantasy armies.
Putting a gun on a fantasy model and calling it 40K is a noble and time-tested GW tradition. ;)


looking really good, the fluff nazis will still have a field day though......
Believe me, they do. You should see the pm hate-mails I've received. :(

Axel
07-10-2006, 16:52
Don't let criticism touch the joy for your army. I wish I had the time and dedication to build up something original from scratch.

If somebody does not want to play you, he is not one you want to play. Just keep on the pics. I am eagarly awaiting the first painted squads :)

unwanted
07-10-2006, 20:15
While you have obviously put a lot of effort and time into these, they're just not doing it for me... Probably a Background thing.
One major quibble is that they could be from any generic Sci-fantasy universe, as there's really nothing that defines them as a 40K army (though I tend to think the same of tau :p)

Nkari
07-10-2006, 21:21
Hmm, Im afraid I agree with the the ppl that say this sint exactly my cup of tea.. Great effort, and money, but these models just doesnt do it for me.. looks more like random bitz put togeather with no thought about it, especially some poses are really bad, such as the 3rd picture from the top, need to have the gun much closer to the body, and higher up towards the head, or twist the torso and arms so that the gun allmost points strait out from the torso rather than along it. And some "pistols" look way way to big even for 40k..


Sorry to give bad critique, but Im giving you my honest opinion.

Scorpio
07-10-2006, 21:44
Hmm, Im afraid I agree with the the ppl that say this sint exactly my cup of tea.. Great effort, and money, but these models just doesnt do it for me.. looks more like random bitz put togeather with no thought about it, especially some poses are really bad, such as the 3rd picture from the top, need to have the gun much closer to the body, and higher up towards the head, or twist the torso and arms so that the gun allmost points strait out from the torso rather than along it. And some "pistols" look way way to big even for 40k..


Sorry to give bad critique, but Im giving you my honest opinion.

I must agree. Its a good amount of time and effort but they just dont seem to fit in. They already have forces that can hunt marines. And it wouldnt be the mechanicus that would be doind this. Its called Grey Knights, they can easily(in fluff terms) handle a similarly sized force of marines...

They just dont fit to me. All i see is Dark elf bodies ad-hocly combined with random weapons...

-Scorpio

self biased
08-10-2006, 05:28
i think a few layers of paint will make or break this army, scorpio. kudos to the well thought out design and implementation. conversions seem to be solid, so let's see some paint there, buddy.

Alkanchel
03-05-2007, 07:53
Great stuff! Love the unique look. Especially the hooded models were great.

One question though: The head you labelled "SOB exorcist"; from what model is that, exactly? It doesn't seem to come from the Exorcist tank, looking att GW's webshop. I need that head for my SoB's! :x

- A

PS
SoB is a worthless abbreviation, I read it as something totally different, constantly.
DS

Ross
03-05-2007, 09:15
Ignore the nay-sayers pal, this stuff looks fantastic. The weapons look unbeleavibly sci-fi, well done! I really think Self Biased summed it up though, the paint job will make or break this one.

Gotta say it again, well done!!!!

vampires are cool!
03-05-2007, 11:44
Spicy Jesus! Thats awsome. Its an army of Suffregettes!
Seriously though, thats awsome, the amount of converting and minature designe you've achieved here is fantastic. You should be proud of yourself.

El Presedente
03-05-2007, 12:51
aren't sisters of battles female space marines?

That's what I always thought. Never was interested in the witchhunters tho.

oops! Did you just make a schoolboy error!

The marines look cool, keep it up, a bit of advice though, they do look a bit too small to be marines, just like alternative sisters, the armour could use a bit of bulking out in my opinion.

Richter Kless
03-05-2007, 16:38
I have seen you have put an insane amount of time and effort in this profect and I like it has turned out but still I got some critisism.

modelwise: Those models donīt look Imperial enough to me. Their guns look more like (Dark) Eldar or Tau guns to me.
And their outfit doesnīt look really gothic. (where are the skulls?)
Youīre army has an extremely close relation with the Adaptus Mechanicus, than where are the technobits? The oversized bionic arms, eyes or any other kind of bodypart. They just donīt look like members of the Machine Cult to me.

Fluffwise: Why on earth would they hunt loyal Space Marines? What does the Adeptus Mechanicus gain from that? The Machine Cult never bothered itself with these kind of things, thatīs where the Inquisition is for.
Why is everything they have better than the rest? I never like it when people say that their army somehow has better equipement or is better than any other similar army. Why donīt they have bolters like the other chapters. The Iron Hands and the Steel Confessors both have a very close relationship with the Machine Cult, and they use bolters.
How did you get the idea that the Adeptus Terra are about to fall? I havenīt seen anything in the background that would suggest the Imperium is about to plunge itself in another civil war.
And last I do not entirely agree with your idea that the Adeptus Mechanicus is completely free from the Imperium. The Inquisition still has itīs constantly upon them, searching for any traces of treachery. The Space Marines are also loose from the Imperial rule, yet they also are constantly checked by the Inquisition. And I donīt really think the Inquisitors will be to pleased to see that female Space Marines are hunting down the other chapters for no obvious reason other than same grudge. (donīt be naive in thinking you can hide something from the Inquisition, you canīt)
I think you could make a better story if you made them as a chamber militant of some branche of the Inquisition, but thatīs just my idea.

To summarise it, you have build a nice force with good looking models, but they just donīt have a place in 40K. They donīt look as part of the Imperium of the Adeptus Mechanicus, as they look like a cross between Eldar and Sisters of Battle. (with too much Eldar)
Even though you state you donīt want to contradict the background, I think accidentily did. This is mostly because you made a force that is quite unusual in the 40K universe. And also because they seem to contradict certain parts of the Imperium that are fundamental.
But than agani, this is 40K and anything could happen.

mistformsquirrel
03-05-2007, 17:05
Great looking models Dr. Thunder! <^,^>

Oh, and hey - I didn't read your whole FAQ; but I have a suggestion for the Geneseed; If you ever feel you just absolutely need an explanation for female geneseed - just claim it somehow came from the missing primarchs. I mean, who said they had to be male eh? And geneseed from female primarchs would work to make female marines, yes?

That's how I'm going about it anyway. Just a random idea (as if you needed any help <'x'> this is so cool!)

<._.>; I'll shuddup and get back to oggling the ladies in power armor. <3

Doctor Thunder
05-05-2007, 15:18
Whoa:eyebrows:

How did this thread end up in Project Logs? This wasn't a project log. The Valkyries are done and have been fully painted for about a month now. I'll be taking them to the Las Vegas GT next month.


Gotta say it again, well done!!!!

Spicy Jesus! Thats awsome. Its an army of Suffregettes!
Seriously though, thats awsome, the amount of converting and minature designe you've achieved here is fantastic. You should be proud of yourself.
Thanks, guys, I appreciate it. :)


Youīre army has an extremely close relation with the Adaptus Mechanicus, than where are the technobits? The oversized bionic arms, eyes or any other kind of bodypart. They just donīt look like members of the Machine Cult to me.
They're a shadow force. It kind of defeats the point of having a shadow force if you covering them with AM techno-bits. Might as well just unfurl a banner at that point which reads: "Hey, we work for the Fabricator General, just so you know."


modelwise: Those models donīt look Imperial enough to me. Their guns look more like (Dark) Eldar or Tau guns to me.
And their outfit doesnīt look really gothic. (where are the skulls?)
Gothic=skulls? Where did you get that idea?

Why on earth would they hunt loyal Space Marines? What does the Adeptus Mechanicus gain from that? The Machine Cult never bothered itself with these kind of things
Terra and Mars have gone to war several times in the history of the Imperium, each time to a standoff and an uneasy re-affirming of the alliance. One of the key factors in each war was the Adeptus Astartes, which overwhelmingly sided with terra. So, you could say that the AM are learning from past experience.

How did you get the idea that the Adeptus Terra are about to fall? I havenīt seen anything in the background that would suggest the Imperium is about to plunge itself in another civil war.
You believe what the inquisition wants you to believe.;)

Why is everything they have better than the rest? I never like it when people say that their army somehow has better equipement or is better than any other similar army. Why donīt they have bolters like the other chapters. The Iron Hands and the Steel Confessors both have a very close relationship with the Machine Cult, and they use bolters.
That's because the Iron Hands and Steel Confessors have a dual alliegiance. They are servants of both the emperor and the machine god, and are trained to fight the Emperor's enemies, wheras the Valkyries have a completely different purpose and allegience.

(donīt be naive in thinking you can hide something from the Inquisition, you canīt)
That's just what the inquisition wants you to believe, to hide their incompotence.

asmodai_dark86
05-05-2007, 17:09
I've been on a film making courses of various sorts for five years now, and ever now and then someone comes along with an idea and they whack the blinkers on. No matter what reason any one gives, they are convinced its brilliant and blows away everything. They are nearly always wrong.

The same is true in this case. The army looks horrendously expensive for very little in return. The fluff isnt solid, for reasons which I wont go into here because we'll be at this for months.

The models look like exactly what they are - a horrible mash of dark eldar, Tau, and elysian back packs. Some of the guns look alright, but not brilliant.

You should have maybe hired someone whose good at sculpting and coverting, done a sketch of what you wanted, and then gone from there.

And as for the comment about 40k being a rip off of fantasy, you could say that about anything and its a silly comment. Your army DOES look like a transplant from fantasy, just as a mutant army using beastmen would look like a fantasy army. The difference being is that the beastmen army look is intentional and yours isnt...

Gah I give up

Alkanchel
05-05-2007, 17:36
Or maybe your personal aesthetic preferences are just that; personal preferences, and not benchmarks for the rest of humanity?

Objectively, the Big Valkyries are pieces of plastic and metal. Everything else is bias.

I think they are great. Much hotter than, for example, GW's own space marines, chaos space marines, kroot, dark eldar, necrons, and a whole lot of other models, both GW and otherwise, that I don't personally fancy.

Your arguments are not arguments, they are points of view. And as such, totally superfluous if what you are aiming at is a discussion about the Big Valkyries' intrensic "value" regarded as models in the WH40K universe.

- A

Axel
05-05-2007, 18:20
If they are ready and painted, is there a "log" or someplace else to see them?

Richter Kless
05-05-2007, 18:35
Gothic=skulls? Where did you get that idea?

Probably from the entire Imperial range. You just can't have a proper Imperial army whithout skulls, it's one of the Imperiums trademarks.
Look at the rulebook, it has skulls at every damn page, give me one Imperial model that doesn't have atleast one skull on it. (both real and fake ones)

I am not saying your models are bad, they just don't strike to me as Imperial. (or adeptus Mechanicus)

Doctor Thunder
05-05-2007, 19:08
You just can't have a proper Imperial army whithout skulls, it's one of the Imperiums trademarks.
They've each got a skull on each guantlet, that's 2 skulls per model, more then a lot of space marine models out there.

If they are ready and painted, is there a "log" or someplace else to see them?
After the tournament I'll post up a full army showcase. Until then, I'm keeping them secret.


You should have maybe hired someone whose good at sculpting and coverting, done a sketch of what you wanted, and then gone from there.
LOL
Ohh, that's cold, man. So, not only did I waste my time, but I'm not any good at sculpting or converting either? I guess after someone makes something as original and flawless as This: http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/asmodai_dark86/Lion%20and%20the%20Wolf/IMG_0496.jpg
Then it must get hard to look at other people's work without becoming jaded. It takes real skill and originality to copy doghouse's tutorial, after all. :p


I've been on a film making courses of various sorts for five years now, and ever now and then someone comes along with an idea and they whack the blinkers on. No matter what reason any one gives, they are convinced its brilliant and blows away everything. They are nearly always wrong.
The same is true in this case. The army looks horrendously expensive for very little in return. The fluff isnt solid, for reasons which I wont go into here because we'll be at this for months.
LOL
Right, because if I love something and you hate it, then the only possible explination is that I must be wrong. :p


The fluff isnt solid, for reasons which I wont go into here because we'll be at this for months.
Right, because other people couldn't possibly have different opinions about what solid fluff is and is not.:p


Note: I put the smilies to indicate that I'm being tongue-in-cheek. If you can dish out criticism that harsh then certainly you can take some in return, right?

schoolcormorant
05-05-2007, 19:20
come on guys, simmer down, each to his own and all that.

i think you should take down that pic as it's Asmodai's and you shouldn't use other peoples pics without their permission.

SC

Doctor Thunder
05-05-2007, 19:29
come on guys, simmer down, each to his own and all that.

i think you should take down that pic as it's Asmodai's and you shouldn't use other peoples pics without their permission.

SC

Okay, I changed it to a link. :D

sanctusmortis
05-05-2007, 19:59
I have to say, it doesn't work for me. Each to their own, but it isn't for me.