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Harry
13-10-2006, 11:23
What Magic Items (from the Orc and Goblin Army Book) should I not leave home without?

Please feel free to include killer combinations:cheese:

truthsayer
13-10-2006, 11:53
Black orc Warboss, martogs best basha, effigy of mork, armour of gork. on boar with shield.

Weapon skill 8 meaning most things above rank and file need 4's to hit, then a -1 to make it 5's to hit. Then with toughness 6 that reduces their chance to wound aswell. Against troopers he is all but invincible! :evilgrin:

This one was pointed out to me by my friend too, I hadn't thought of it. take the horn of urgok, reduce the enemies leadership then blast the pipes of doom to make sure the enemies cavalry panic.

Moonstone
13-10-2006, 14:25
Here's an evil one for ya, goblin warboss with lucky's dirk, amulet of protectyness and the tricksy trinket. use this against archaon and he's a dead man. +1 strength for lucky's for every magic item the opponent has (+6 against archaon lol), u gain the armour/ward save of ur opponent from amulet and tricksy trinket stops ur opponent using their ward saves. I'd say archaon is about screwed from this wouldn.t you?

Avian
13-10-2006, 14:51
I'd say archaon is about screwed from this wouldn.t you?
Considering that he still only has 4 attakcs that hit on 4+ and cannot wound on better than a 3+, I'd say Archie is still okay.

And that combo is very specialised.


I like:
Goblin Big Boss
-One Hit Wunda
-Brimstone Bauble
-Wolf

Black Orc Battle Standard Bearer
-Best Basha
-Effigy of Mork
-Heavy armour
-Boar

Black Orc Warboss
-Battleaxe of the Last Waaagh
-Heavy armour & shield
-Boar
(in a large unit of Orc Boyz)

Karhedron
13-10-2006, 20:18
Personally I like a Blorc Warboss with Iron Gnashas, Effigy of Mork and Big boss 'Att. 5 S5 attacks with killing blow, a 5+ ward save and most opponents will only hit on a 5+.

Unless you go seriously magic heavy, I would always take Mork's Spirit Totem. An extra 3 dispel dice will put the hurt on opponent's magic. Add in a cheap Gobbo shaman with Staff of sneaky stealin and you take one of your opponent's power dice and add it to you dispell pool every turn. Even if you take no other shamans that is 7 dispell dice and your opponent is one power dice down. Pretty much the last word in magical defence.

Rikkjourd
13-10-2006, 22:01
I like:
Goblin Big Boss
-One Hit Wunda
-Brimstone Bauble
-Wolf


Can you do this with a Giant Squig instead of wolf?

Because I already modelled one with a boss on it as soon as I heard that the book would contain the option. Now I also know the rules for it, and they kinda suck. If you HAVE to take a squig-mounted character, what magic items would you give it?

wingedserpant
14-10-2006, 21:52
Considering that he still only has 4 attakcs that hit on 4+ and cannot wound on better than a 3+, I'd say Archie is still okay.

And that combo is very specialised.


I like:
Goblin Big Boss
-One Hit Wunda
-Brimstone Bauble
-Wolf

Black Orc Battle Standard Bearer
-Best Basha
-Effigy of Mork
-Heavy armour
-Boar

Black Orc Warboss
-Battleaxe of the Last Waaagh
-Heavy armour & shield
-Boar
(in a large unit of Orc Boyz)

It would give him a good shock.

I find a blork warboss with iron nashas, which give him killing blow, is nice a cheap and you can use it with the two hand weapons giving him five attacks. Oh and before you say it, its perfectly legal as magic weapons are the only things which get rid of the armed to da teef rule.

policy-boy
15-10-2006, 12:15
I tend to use an orc warboss with martogs best basha, armour of gork and kicking boots, put him on a boar, and stick him in a unit with banner of gork. he therefore has 6 attacks (only for one turn, 5 afterwards) strength 6, toughness 6, WS 7 so lower things need 5's to hit, only helpful occasionly but still!) and intitiative 5, plus a 3 up save.

very good against both character and units, one time slapping down 3 black knights in one turn despite needing 4's to hit due to a magic item they had, and then the next turn taking out a vampire count!

Works for me:D

woytek
15-10-2006, 14:10
Too bad the battle axe of the last waaagh talks about rank bonus, making the bonus only +3 attacks and +3 strenght for 100 points, which is alot and he lacks armor.

ardude
15-10-2006, 14:47
yeah +3 strength and +3 attack suck for 100 pts
I mean who wants an savage orc warboss with 8 strength 8 attacks, not me!

policy-boy
15-10-2006, 14:57
yeah +3 strength and +3 attack suck for 100 pts
I mean who wants an savage orc warboss with 8 strength 8 attacks, not me!

That made me laugh:p a little...

as about the armour, if you make it a black orc warboss, give him a boar, heavy armour and sheild he'll have a 2 up save. ONLY 7 attacks, but i think I'll live with that...

woytek
15-10-2006, 15:16
yeah +3 strength and +3 attack suck for 100 pts
I mean who wants an savage orc warboss with 8 strength 8 attacks, not me!

7 strenght 8 that is, unless you take banner of butchery, which I always do ;) I agree it's a very nice weapon, but you still lack armor saves and well 100 points still is alot... I mean they could make it without the +3 maximum right? :P


That made me laugh:p a little...

as about the armour, if you make it a black orc warboss, give him a boar, heavy armour and sheild he'll have a 2 up save. ONLY 7 attacks, but i think I'll live with that...

My general is BO warboss with heavy on boar and shield, but my friend got strenght 8 with his ogre and he pretty much killed me every time he charged, but the same didn't count for me because he has five wounds and -1 to hit with toughness 6 I think. He got 5 strenght 8 attacks and could even take some protective stuff. But ofcourse against normal troops and characters my boss will dominate ^^ Now wait for the gorbad model eh guys?! :D

edit: I'd just wish I could take the +1 toughness armour, don't blame me for wanting a bad ass warboss for less points, i'm greedy hehe

truthsayer
15-10-2006, 18:09
7 strenght 8 that is, unless you take banner of butchery, which I always do


nope, ardude is right it is 8 strength 8 attacks. You are missing the frenzy out my friend. 9 attacks with the banner of butchery. just hope you get the charge!

woytek
15-10-2006, 19:05
black orc... sorry didn't knew you were talking about a savage orc warboss

ardude
15-10-2006, 19:49
yup, but I think I will give it to a black orc warboss ( as mentioned above)
in a sample unit of orcs with choppa and shield ( as he will do the dmg:skull: )

woytek
15-10-2006, 21:38
yup, but I think I will give it to a black orc warboss ( as mentioned above)
in a sample unit of orcs with choppa and shield ( as he will do the dmg:skull: )

I'm thinking about some options:

Black orc unit with enough ranks and general + BSB joining them will smash every unit out there.

The unit where the general is in will automatically move D6" and also any black orc units, so maybe placing the general in a unit different then the black orcs is a wise choise so you will have two units who automatically move forward. Then if you could make a third unit with the BSB inside they will get an additional +1 to their roll making it +4 and so you only have to throw 2 or higher.

ardude
16-10-2006, 14:56
sounds good :)

woytek
16-10-2006, 15:02
26 black orcs - command; war banner @ 401 pts.

o Black Orc Warboss - heavy armour; shield; boar; Battleaxe of the Last Waaagh! @ 278

o Black Orc Big Boss - heavy armour; boar; army banner; Nogg's banner of Butchery @ 155 pts.

This makes me a unit with a static CR of: 3 ranks + banner + army banner + war banner + outnumber = 7 and a warboss in it with 8 strenght 8 attacks.... auto break anyone don't you say?

Ouch, but maybe not putting all egg's in one basket is better so you will have something like 2 or 3 main fighting units (black orcs 'n big 'uns) and some orc units with choppa/shield for blocks..

policy-boy
16-10-2006, 15:48
Ouch, but maybe not putting all egg's in one basket is better so you will have something like 2 or 3 main fighting units (black orcs 'n big 'uns) and some orc units with choppa/shield for blocks..

simple solution. don't go into combat with the unit, or in my case, drop a few rocks on the units head:)

and a doomdiver

Alex
16-10-2006, 17:54
yup, but I think I will give it to a black orc warboss ( as mentioned above)
in a sample unit of orcs with choppa and shield ( as he will do the dmg:skull: )

I think it would be a good (albeit unfluffy) idea to deploy him in a unit of NG with nets. As you said, he will do the damage, but it may be finds himself in a challenge, in that case the -1 str of the enemy from the NG nets will help him a good deal (both harder to wound for the enemy, plus a better AS for you) since his defensive capabilities are a bit lacking.
Also, putting a general in a gobbo unit will make them always go D6 forward at Waagh!, Orcs don't need this as much since they get to add +3 as opposed to the gobbos +1.

fubukii
16-10-2006, 18:26
A good combo is Black orc warboss, Hvy armor, Kicking boots, Best att'

Decent armor you get your armed to da teeth rules and str 6 in first round of combat with 6 attacks or 5 str 6 with a 3+ save, or 5 str 7. i think its the best overal combo for its point cost.

ardude
16-10-2006, 19:05
but it's so tempty to get a character that hits ahrder than a blood thister!

fubukii
16-10-2006, 20:08
thats true :) but for 214 pts that combo i said is pretty dam awesome!

Crazy Harborc
17-10-2006, 01:53
So many new toys/names to use, to learn....to play surprise, surprise with:angel: (We don't get the new greenie book until Saturday) Please keep the ideas and new toys names coming.

wingedserpant
19-10-2006, 16:49
I think it would be a good (albeit unfluffy) idea to deploy him in a unit of NG with nets. As you said, he will do the damage, but it may be finds himself in a challenge, in that case the -1 str of the enemy from the NG nets will help him a good deal (both harder to wound for the enemy, plus a better AS for you) since his defensive capabilities are a bit lacking.
Also, putting a general in a gobbo unit will make them always go D6 forward at Waagh!, Orcs don't need this as much since they get to add +3 as opposed to the gobbos +1.

Sir, you've found a great use for goblins. Abit unfluffy though.