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vampires are cool!
16-10-2006, 09:02
hi, im running a campaign set of the daemon world that Bile took over, but i havent found any info on his world yet.
does anyone know the particulars of it, or even what part of the Eye its in?
thanks in advance warseers

paddyalexander
16-10-2006, 09:31
He established a base on one of the crone worlds. These were the Eldar homeworlds & craft worlds that were lost when the Eye of Terror formed. It doesn't say if he has taken over the whole world or just established a Lab complex/fortress there.

The world itself would be a mixture of Eldar & Daemon based terrain. At the end of the Eye of Terror campaign Maugan Ra saved a craftworld that had been in the Eye for mellenia so if you want to have Eldar spirits or Chaos Eldar still residing on the world its up to you.

The only information that I'm aware of is the background text in his profile on page 39 of the Chaos Codex.

Dark Eldar are do not worship Chaos & have not fallen to Chaos as Slaneshi would consume their souls. They mearly live as they did before the fall. However they do borderline on Khorne worship and it has been suggested that Khaine is a faccet of Khorne (which would be more subtle than his usual approch).

Nazguire
16-10-2006, 09:31
hi, im running a campaign set of the daemon world that Bile took over, but i havent found any info on his world yet.
does anyone know the particulars of it, or even what part of the Eye its in?
thanks in advance warseers

He may have a world to call his own, but the time he'd spend there would be quite limited. He's usually all over the Eye and beyond, experimenting with other people, on himself, on himself for other people etc

Llothlian
16-10-2006, 09:41
or Chaos Eldar

I.e Dark Eldar.

Kromando33
16-10-2006, 09:44
Well after the chaos defeat on Terra in the HH, he fled with the rest of the Traitor Legions into the EoT and took a world in their for himself. He took Horus's body with him in order to do cloning experiments, but this failed when Abaddon and the Black Legion moved against Fabius and retook the body, Abaddon took the Talon of Horus and then destroyed the body, wanting to rid all traces of Horus's failings to further his own power. Since then he has bartered and sold his knowledge in cloning and genetic experimentation to all the Traitor Legions. It is known that the Traitor Legions replenish their ranks using cloning to make more astartes, but it has also been speculated that Fabius alone is the only one cloning astartes, in which case he could be very very powerful for his abilities. And Fabius does not serve chaos, he uses it when he can but it never uses him.

devolutionary
16-10-2006, 10:06
I.e Dark Eldar.

I dare you to walk in to an established Dark Eldar thread and say that :p

Don't worry about Chaos Eldar. I would think that Fabius' fortress would resemble an old asylum, all dark iron and steel, complete with wrought gates and the like... and probably green, flickering lights, just for the cool factor :p

vampires are cool!
16-10-2006, 10:30
thanks for all the info guys, nothing concrete to go on, but i like the ideas.
thanks

Havoc
16-10-2006, 10:48
I have a discussion on 40kforums about worlds in the eye of terror, one idea was that their are spawning pits that all manner of body parts and slaves are thrown in to create new creatures that resemble a marine, Bile has a world in the eye where the legions offer protection for his knowledge on creating new space marines so imagine an apothecary world from hell basically...kinda like the NHS in england

Darkseer
16-10-2006, 11:24
I won't have you slagging off the NHS young man. They've stitched my head back together in double quick time with great efficiency on many occassions.

Never forget that the NHS is free and far better than the american health system where if you don't have medical insurance you're left to die on the street.

BlackLegion
16-10-2006, 12:24
@Havoc: Reminds me of the movie Casshern :)

Llothlian
16-10-2006, 12:35
I dare you to walk in to an established Dark Eldar thread and say that :p


They have Slaaneshii cults, that makes at least some of them Chaos worshippers in my book.

Forbiddenknowledge
16-10-2006, 13:01
Model his lad like the building in the PS2 game "The suffering"

That should give the right effect *shudders*

Voronwe[MQ]
16-10-2006, 14:57
I won't have you slagging off the NHS young man. They've stitched my head back together in double quick time with great efficiency on many occassions.

Never forget that the NHS is free and far better than the american health system where if you don't have medical insurance you're left to die on the street.

US Medical insurance: Money, just like the 19th century. USA is supposedly the most backward nation that figures the most in media.

Talos402000
16-10-2006, 19:01
Um, you sound like you don't know very much about the health system in the U.S. If you did, you'd know that any hospital has the obligation by law to give you the minimum treatment necessary, and there are free government clinics. Keep your personal politics and bigotry out of the forum.

Voronwe[MQ]
16-10-2006, 19:04
Oh, sorry. I did meant in comparison with average western Europe. It was exaggerated, partly because of making it a half-hearted joke. This is simply because I have no personal politics and 'bigotry' (what does that word mean? I think that I have heard it once), so I did not understand it would not be taken as such. Then it shall not happen again.

Lostanddamned
16-10-2006, 20:59
I would see it as like Arkham Asylum in the comic.

But more twisted and lovecraftain.

He is a sick puppy

damz451
17-10-2006, 02:40
They have Slaaneshii cults, that makes at least some of them Chaos worshippers in my book.


Um no they dont, they hate slannesh just as much as the craftworld eldar, instead of giving up their ways they essentially bribe slannesh with other peoples souls so that they wont be consumed by it.

If the dark eldar were truely worshippers of Slannesh the Harlequins would never go to Commargh or fight alongside the dark eldar.

Voronwe[MQ]
17-10-2006, 11:19
Exactly, but the Dark Eldar might, through their hate (not distaste, which I would mark the Craftworld Eldar for having against Slaanesh) which - according to The Colour of Magic (insane reference, I know...) - is the opposite of likeness or love, feel strangely attracted to Slaanesh.

damz451
17-10-2006, 13:54
I hope the new dark eldar codex fixes the misconception of dark eldar being simply chaos eldar, they are simply prefall eldar who farm humans to sell to slannesh. Also the lifestyle seems overexaggerated, there not all bondage s&m nut cases who only enjoy torturing people, i bet you dont think of farmers who sell viel as baby cow torturers do you?, they only "torture" people because it makes their souls more affective in preserving their own souls.

Llothlian
17-10-2006, 14:27
The reason most people think Dark Eldar have Slaaneshii cults is because they are almost an exact copy of Dark Elves from WFB, and they definately have Slaanesh cults. WFB Witch Elves are Slaaneshii Cultists, so I imagine the 40k ones are (since GW likes to cut and paste things from one army to another).

malika
17-10-2006, 14:31
The Dark Elves are fallen High Elves who moved to the north IIRC. The Dark Eldar are the original pre Fall Eldar, the Craftworlders fled away from the madness while the rest (now Dark Eldar) stayed...when the Fall did happen they fled to the Webway and created Commorragh. From there they try to give Slaanesh other souls so she wouldnt devour their own. They also devour souls of others to live longer...which eventually becomes a physical addiction since they need souls to survive.

Llothlian
17-10-2006, 14:36
Yes, yes, so Eldar / Elves seperated, both because of Slaanesh, one worships him/her/it (at least some of them), one serves him/her/it, one is hedonistic in the extreme, the other is hedonistic in the extreme (if they only tourture because of physical need, why did the Fall happen, again? ;) ). Even the units in the armies are very similar.

Still don't see how they are a cut and paste copy?

malika
17-10-2006, 14:42
Yes, yes, so Eldar / Elves seperated,
Various Elf/Eldar cultures are cool!


one worships him/her/it (at least some of them), one serves him/her/it
The Dark Eldar dont serve Slaanesh, they serve themselves...by feeding her from time to time they keep her at bay.


Still don't see how they are a cut and paste copy?
Im not saying that arent a cut/paste job by GW (a shame really since the Dark Eldar have quite the potential) but the Dark Eldar are not Slaanesh or Chaos Eldar while the Dark Elves worship Khorne (Khaine is an aspect of Khorne IIRC) and Slaanesh.

Perhaps you should take a look at these threads:
Dark Eldar, what how when who? (http://anargo-sector.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=219)
Dark Eldar requirement for souls (http://anargo-sector.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=937)
Revising the Dark Eldar image (artwork, fiction & models) (http://anargo-sector.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=452)

Llothlian
18-10-2006, 06:59
So by your own admission (I think it was you, or maybe it was somebody else in this thread) the Dark Eldar are exactly as they were before the Fall. Their actions - hedonistic extremes - caused the birth of Slaanesh. This means they were doing lots of things Slaanesh likes. Now they are still doing those things, thus increasing Slaaneshii power. So they are Slaanesh Cultists, even if they don't know it.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I like the Dark Eldar image, they are one of the armies I would like to play, if I didn't already have too many armies on my plate already.

malika
18-10-2006, 11:14
The still do the things they do yes, but still resist Slaanesh. So they do things Slaanesh likes, does it mean that every dead body that rots increases Nurgle's strenght, or each war enpowers Khorne?

Kamin 989
18-10-2006, 15:14
The still do the things they do yes, but still resist Slaanesh. So they do things Slaanesh likes, does it mean that every dead body that rots increases Nurgle's strenght, or each war enpowers Khorne?

Yes it does. Every act of violence increases Khorne's power, every act of hedonism strengthens Slaanesh, every spark of hope feeds Tzeench and every person who despairs empowers Nurgle. Chaos works that way.

malika
18-10-2006, 15:39
So the Imperium while fighting Chaos is making it stronger? Why dedicate your wars and sacrifices to the Chaos Gods if they automatically drain everything already?

Gekiganger
18-10-2006, 15:42
Im not saying that arent a cut/paste job by GW (a shame really since the Dark Eldar have quite the potential) but the Dark Eldar are not Slaanesh or Chaos Eldar while the Dark Elves worship Khorne (Khaine is an aspect of Khorne IIRC) and Slaanesh.

Well you don't recall correctly. Khorne isn't Khaine and the worship of Slaanesh is punished by death in Dark elf society. But that's another matter as this is 40k :p


Yes it does. Every act of violence increases Khorne's power, every act of hedonism strengthens Slaanesh, every spark of hope feeds Tzeench and every person who despairs empowers Nurgle. Chaos works that way.

Absolutely correct.

Llothlian
18-10-2006, 16:06
So the Imperium while fighting Chaos is making it stronger? Why dedicate your wars and sacrifices to the Chaos Gods if they automatically drain everything already?

If you don't fight, you die. If you fight, you guaruntee your death, but put it off a little longer. Pretty simple, no?

malika
18-10-2006, 16:45
So either way your soul goes to Chaos...

Gekiganger
18-10-2006, 18:22
So either way your soul goes to Chaos...

And either way you're going to die in reality, doesn't mean everyone should commit mass suicide.

Or am I reading what you say out of context? I don't think I am but that's due to the end punctuation.

malika
18-10-2006, 18:25
And either way you're going to die in reality, doesn't mean everyone should commit mass suicide.

Or am I reading what you say out of context? I don't think I am but that's due to the end punctuation.

If you fight Chaos since Chaos wants to destroy you wouldnt it be useless to fight it if you will only enpower it anyway? Wouldnt it then be more useful for every human to go to terra and sacrifice his/her own soul to the Emperor?

Nazguire
19-10-2006, 00:32
I swore this thread was about Fabius Bile once upon a time.:rolleyes:

Llothlian
19-10-2006, 11:12
If you fight Chaos since Chaos wants to destroy you wouldnt it be useless to fight it if you will only enpower it anyway? Wouldnt it then be more useful for every human to go to terra and sacrifice his/her own soul to the Emperor?

The Imperium knows how to fight Chaos, how Chaos fights, how the warp work, etc but they do not know the NATURE of Chaos, so they keep fighting it like any other enemy.

Besides, wouldn't make a very good game if your entire army just commited suicide would it?

malika
19-10-2006, 12:26
The Imperium knows how to fight Chaos, how Chaos fights, how the warp work, etc but they do not know the NATURE of Chaos, so they keep fighting it like any other enemy.

Besides, wouldn't make a very good game if your entire army just commited suicide would it?
So whatever they do they lose? Bla...Im not liking this vision of the 40k universe.


I swore this thread was about Fabius Bile once upon a time.
Fabius Bile is one of the more interesting special characters eventhough GW hasnt given us that much about him. This figure has travelled all across the galaxy searching for methods/info to create his New Man. Is there any info on him in the Horus Heresy novels?

Rigel
19-10-2006, 13:14
. Is there any info on him in the Horus Heresy novels?
As far as I know, he makes a brief appearance in 'False Gods', as the apothecary that accompanies Fulgrim and the other EC's on their visit to Horus's battle barge.

Llothlian
19-10-2006, 15:34
So whatever they do they lose? Bla...Im not liking this vision of the 40k universe.

That is the vision of 40k, they have never stood a chance, all the fluff ever written says they are perched on the edge of the precipice. They will die horribly, it is only a matter of when, and how many they can take with them.

malika
19-10-2006, 21:24
That is the vision of 40k, they have never stood a chance, all the fluff ever written says they are perched on the edge of the precipice. They will die horribly, it is only a matter of when, and how many they can take with them.

If they know that they will die anyway it would be useless to fight. The Emperor was created as an actual weapon against Chaos, so Chaos could effeciently be fought and wouldnt be that much of a futile existence. It seems like GW has been overdoing their little cliches again.

Nazguire
20-10-2006, 01:19
If they know that they will die anyway it would be useless to fight. The Emperor was created as an actual weapon against Chaos, so Chaos could effeciently be fought and wouldnt be that much of a futile existence. It seems like GW has been overdoing their little cliches again.

They know at the time of the Great Crusade that they will all die fighting, even the Primarchs, it's just a matter of when and where and how, not if. But at that time they were sure that they'd end up victorious anyhow, after all Horus was leading them (being their views on the matter)

So it didn't seem useless to fight at all.

El Big Man
20-10-2006, 11:01
Spoiler


In the new Horus Heresy books, Fabius bile is part of Fulgrim's inner retinue, escorting Fulgrim onto Horus' Battle Barge after Horus recovers from Davin, alongside the Emperor's Children Lord Commanders.

Fabius bile is then taken to the ships apothecarium, from where he takes the athaname. This is the weapon that Word Bearer Chaplain Erebus steals from the Iterex and is then given to the Nurgle possessed leader of Davin to wound Horus and begin his engagement with the Chaos Gods through his healing at a Chaos Cult on Davin.

Fulgrim is later seen leaving Horus Battle Barge with this weapon, and it is probably this that Fulgrim (or rather the daemon pssessing Fulgrim) uses to kill Ferrus Manus on Istvaan V.

We next see Fabius Bile in the hidden vaults beneath the Apothecarion on the Emperor's Children warship when Lord Commander tests Saul Tarvitz to see if he is willing to join in their new vision for the Emperor's Children. Eidolon has had some sort of psychic scream weapon implanted, and believes it to be abominable. Eidolon and bile retort that the work is authorised by Fulgrim as an effort in perfecting the space marines, justifying it by saying that is exactly what the Emperor did to normal humans to create the space marines. The laboratory in which we find bile is surrounded by tanks all over the walls filled with various body parts and failed experiments, underlit by a "ghastly" light.

Josiah
20-10-2006, 12:45
So either way your soul goes to Chaos...

Two words.

Gork and Mork.

Darkseer
20-10-2006, 13:12
I have to buy these books!

malika
20-10-2006, 13:31
Two words.

Gork and Mork.

Which emotions to Gork and Mork reflect?

El Big Man
20-10-2006, 16:20
The interaction of Orks with the warp is not as well clarified as that of humans and seems to take a different tack, with the Power of the Waaagh. I guess that Gork and Mork are the Warp echoes of that interaction and power, but the Ork penchant for warfare must give some power to Khorne at least.

There is a fabulous discussion in the Warhammer Background Forum at the moment regarding the nature of Chaos and Gods, under the thread about Hashut and some links to other threads from there. Have a look at that for some brilliant enlightenment on the nature of Chaos and how emotions and actions give power to the variety of gods, not just Chaos ones.

Llothlian
21-10-2006, 12:45
Gork and Mork were created by the Orcs, just as the big three (Slaanesh is too new!) were created by whatever race preceeded the Eldar, the Emperor was created by mankind, and Slaanesh/Khaine/the Laughing God etc were created by the Eldar.

Man created God, God didn't create man.