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Steel_Legion
16-10-2006, 18:53
OK well now this project is well started, so i figure i will try and make a project log out of it, incase you did not see my other thread about ternch boards, the idea is to create multiple 2x2 modular boards with trench layouts on them, and try and keep them very accurate to World War 1, as i think trenches then would be the best to make a table out of.
Anywho, i managed to get my hands on a large piece of EPS that was about 2x4, a few hours later i cut it up until it looked like this...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Foam.jpg

I would like to point out i cut it from being 80mm think to 40mm, doubling the ammount of trench i would have in the end.
A few days later, and one trip to B&Q later i mounted all these boards on a 2x2' MDF board, bevilled the edge so it could be used on a basic grass matt aswell as trench boards, and cut the trench out the first board i had, like so:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image001.jpg

The trenches are about 40mm deep, so you cant see in out out, and 3" wide, wide enough for 3 models base to base, soon to be added are firing steps so the front "rank" can shoot over the top, i also added a comm. line from the rear trench to the front, 1" wide, and a tank emplacement suitable for nearly every tank, it can fit a russ with sponsors easily. Anywho, here are a few more pictures of the 2x2 with trenchs from last night.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image011.jpg

Here is the emplacement for heavy weapons, soon i will add sandbags and such like once again trying to look like WW1 machinegun emplacements.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image015.jpg

Shot from the side so you can see the depth of the trench, big enough for some good combats to go on in it.

Steel_Legion
16-10-2006, 18:53
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image017.jpg

This is the comm. line, and a few models to show scale.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image018.jpg

Finally the tank emplacement, might lower the front down a little as the lascannon can just see over it!

Well hopefully i can get some pictures of tonights work up in about an hour, open to all C&C, hopefully this project will be done in 2 weeks, so until then, motivate me! Sorry about the poor pictures, its justa camera phone right now
Cheers :)
Gav

Steel_Legion
16-10-2006, 19:29
Any tonights effort, another 2x2 section of board, like the first but i plan on building a bunker at the back instead of a tank emplacement, like the first it has 2 trench lines, and a comm line however. Anywho, on to the (low quality i am afraid) pictures.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image019.jpg

Just a shot of the two boards together, all 4 will be like this so you can line them all up and the trench lines should match.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image020.jpg

Close up shot of the ternch I done tonight, heavy weapon teams i think are a little too high however, might sort that tomorrow though.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image021.jpg

Looking down the trench line, tried to get it so you couldn't see all the way down, pretty much can't right now, might add a post or something to block LoS.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image022.jpg

Another close up of the 2nd trench.

Well thats it for today anyway, any questions etc feel free to post.
Cheers

Great_Destroyer
16-10-2006, 21:50
Looking great so far, I hope you plan on making the in sides of the trenches with palsa wood planks for detail, other tanh that keep up the good work.

schoolcormorant
16-10-2006, 21:57
although not very techincal, but maybe a bit cheaper you could use 'lolly' sticks, cut the rounded edges off and pin them, use some thinner balsa sticks to hold them up.
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Steel_Legion
16-10-2006, 22:10
I am raiding Costa tomorrow for coffee stirrers :D so thats a good few hundred if i do a good job as lolly sticks and balsa cost money (though at least eating hundreds of lollys is good fun.. for the first 10), i am not sure what to do for the firing steps, i could use the spare foam i have the now and make it a mud step, but another idea i had was to get a strip of foam like above, and cover it with wooden stirrers rather than just a mud step, any one have any ideas about the MG pits? i was thinking sandbags and camo nets on poles to cover some of it, not sure, a friend suggested concrete somehow, open to all ideas, cheers for the C&C

schoolcormorant
16-10-2006, 22:20
concrete - but you say WW1, the geermans had concrete bunkers, pill boxes etc, our generals didn't want our men to get complacent so no concrete bunkers etc. they did use sandbag holes with a sort of slit, take a look at all quiet on the western front if interested.
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Steel_Legion
16-10-2006, 22:25
might do, very old film but highly rated i hear, the idea i had was basically on either side on the main firing arc of the MG there was poles which had camo netting, so cover the MG from sight, except form the front, where if you could see if you were pretty much screwed i am guessing... with of course some kind of sandbag in front of it, aswell as lots behind the trench (cant remember what that name is you give to that part, lined with sandbags to stop fragments and stuff hitting you)

schoolcormorant
16-10-2006, 22:27
parapet - GCSE History working for me :)

there are some FW terrain bits have a look for some inspiration
SC

Great_Destroyer
16-10-2006, 23:16
Balsa wood is dirt cheap around here, sry if not for you and it comes in every shape and thickness, but the stirs would work, I'd go for the sand bags, but no cammo netting. and on the step make it mud but with some planks evry so offten for varity, o and dont make the "mud" to squad, its mud after all.

Steel_Legion
16-10-2006, 23:35
well i was thinking a 1x1" piece of foam against the front of the trench floor, cut sand it to more a curve, adding some planks on top, something like that, and if i remember correctly, balsa is pretty expensive around here at some hobby shops, so Costa stirrers it is! not sure where to get sandpags, i could make some from milliput, but my sculpting skills are not great, hopefully get another update tomorrow, if the weathers good it will be the 3rd section and hopefully start on detail on the first section, if i am lucky

schoolcormorant
16-10-2006, 23:40
you could make one, then take a cast of it when dry, then you can use the re-casted ones to 'snake' about and shape them, so they are not all the same.

SC

Great_Destroyer
17-10-2006, 01:12
Milliput is your best bet unless you want to spend money! just make a bean shape kinda and stack them up.

KayvaanShrike
17-10-2006, 14:21
I made sandbags once for some 1/35 scale soldiers I had, and made them by getting a rectangle of beige material, and then folding it in half lengthways and sewing up the edges, I then filled it with real sand (fine sand) and then sewed up the opening. There sandbag, not just a model of one either, but real, just in mini!!!!

Steel_Legion
17-10-2006, 20:18
No real update tonight, started raining just as i make the first cut, so couldn't do anything, marked out layout for trench number 3, think it will just have a tank emplacement aswell, and bevilled the edge, then it rained so i had to call it a day at that, hopefully some better weather tomorrow/weekend

old guard
22-10-2006, 10:17
I saw your last comments on the P&T board and so...the Planned and hopefully forthcoming trench system from FW only uses sandbags for repair. They are taking the view that it is the 41st millenium and that there should be something a little more HI-Tech (with a hint of gothic). The trench sections are therefore modular concrete or rockcrete, to give its 40K name.
So how to do that whithout breaking the bank? I have given it some thought and while I love the FW stuff I am also as tight as a fishes a..... therefore plastic I beams or H beams to be more precise and foamboard or thick card, maybe a little embossed plasticard for a more 'industrial' finish. If you're not sure what I mean, I did do a sketch which I'm pretty sure I can find and scan.
Best of luck.

cpl_hicks
23-10-2006, 00:08
well as a side note, im actually working on a kind of modular terrain system. At the moment im working on the trench systems, the modularity of the system works fine (dispite my inability to cut a straight line:( ), and the designs ive worked out for the trench pieces also from my rough designs seems to work. now all i need to do is get hold of some foam, to see it i can get it to work.

If it does work i might actually start selling the terrain pieces, it wouldnt be the same super high quality as forge world, but would most likely be a lot cheaper

Steel_Legion
23-10-2006, 18:41
Update time:
Well we managed to get a bit of dry weather Sunday, so i managed to get the trench carved out number 3, a tank trap and one heavy weapon bunker (ok i forgot to cut one out and its too late now... :D
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/trench1.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/trench3.jpg

And after days of piling up... here is all the crap thats left after all the hacking, sawing and sanding:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/ternch4.jpg
My mum was thrilled...

Steel_Legion
03-11-2006, 18:54
OK long time no real update, infact i have not done a thing, but tomorrow i have enlisted the help of a friend, and hopefully we can get this pretty much done in 1 days work, all that needs done to the trench is add firing step (piece of left over ESP so 1 model is raised up) then i can begin sanding and adding duck (duct?) boards to the trench, carve out living holes for the troops, sand, add the bunker with plasticard and ESP and then slap some paint everywhere, my local GW gave me some left over battlefield assessories so they will be added too, the likes of tanktraps, and hopefully barbwire if i get any tomorrow
Tomorrow will be very productive with lots of pics... i promise!

Still learning
04-11-2006, 00:07
the only problem i havce is the trench looks far to wide. WW1 trenches tended to be narrow and deep. If that trench was in RL over time the walls would break up and you would have just a dip in the ground.

I know you have to make them wide for practical gaming sense

Steel_Legion
04-11-2006, 00:23
i wanted it nice and deep so you could shuffle units about the trench reenforcing weaker areas, and get some good HtH combat inside the trench

Still learning
04-11-2006, 02:38
ah now i see

chaos0xomega
04-11-2006, 19:28
Actually, WW1 trenches tended NOT to be that thin, at least not when the war started. As time went on, proper trench lines weren't possible due to time constraints and they became thinner.

Steel_Legion
04-02-2007, 23:40
*gives thread CPR*
Its alive!
Small update, I have been bogged down my exams and getting the new SWARG site done, but now they are finished, I can get back to work on the trench, the first section is finished, just needs some paint, you can't see it well, but there is barbed wire infront of the trench, few sandbags about the place, ammo up the back out of side, and an underground enterance and trench bunker enterance (the place where they sleep, whatever thats called)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image032.jpg

Malchek
05-02-2007, 01:06
How did you make/ where did you get the sandbags from mate........?

Cheers

Malchek ;)

Steel_Legion
05-02-2007, 01:11
they are Tamiya I believe, hobby shop near GW Falkirk, 4 (possibly 6) for 48 or something, only 2 different casts (and as you can probably guess somewhat similar to each other...) but for ~5 they are good!
Edit: Cant find it on their site, but your local hobby shop (if any) might have it, as mine did

Steel_Legion
06-02-2007, 01:25
No pictures yet since Camera batterys are dead, but I undercoated it today, plan on getting the first lick of paint on it tomorrow, shame you cant see it, as Blue Company Yellow Platoon feelin' quite safe in it right now... 57 men, a walker and a tank all able to fit in it nicely! Though with only 2 heavy weapon bases it is going to be hard for guardsmen like me to get the weapons shooting :( Anywho, thats todays updates, been busy today on the site instead of this board, but tomorrow if we get some nice weather I can take the other boards out and get them sanded etc, shame its ment to shoe Wednesday so I doubt much activity over those days unless it is just painting which I do indoors. anywho, keep an eye open, pictures tomorrow hopefully!

Steel_Legion
06-02-2007, 16:12
Triple post! shoot me now! Anywho, i have a problem, I started painting it today, but I dont really know light I want the mud, i was thinking really deep, like scorched brown but this might just look unpainted, any ideas/suggestions/examples?

Dspankdo
06-02-2007, 16:15
Vermin brown then wash it with a thin scorched brown. You can then add puddles with ard' coat.

Steel_Legion
06-02-2007, 16:43
well thats a quick drybrish of Vermin Brown down, and it actually works very well, i thought it would be too light but it works well and since it pretty much is SB beneth I shouldn't need to ink it, I have also added a few clumps of static grass jsut to break it up a bit, the last few living plants of the planet :D

Steel_Legion
06-02-2007, 19:20
ta-da! Glue is still slightly wet (hense the white, it goes shiney when dry which is why I am using it like 'ard coat)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image033.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image034.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image035.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/Image037.jpg
Camera phone ftw!

shartmatau
06-02-2007, 19:47
that looks great. i really like how it turned out. One thing i notice if the wood planks are the same color as the mud. You could try adding a bit more highlights on them. also, you could add a bridge to cross the front trench. It could be retractable and doesn't have to be permanent so you could move it around for variety. cheers though, nice table.

Zodiac
06-02-2007, 19:47
Nice board! Cool detailing.. And those sandbags are really cheap!
Very nicely done. Very detailed too!

And you obviously have a very good phone camera!

Keep up the good work!

Steel_Legion
06-02-2007, 19:53
shartmatau - agreed on the planks, probably give them a light scorched brown/graveyard earth highlight tomorrow, but make it look more like wood grain (why they use wood in the 41st Millenia, I dont know, same reason they use horses with lances I guess...)
@Zodiac - And i still got about 20 spare sandbags for another trench, they were a nice surprise!.. good camera phone? you taking the buscuit? its balls! Macro feature does not exist, it makes my painting looks awful! (ok, maybe thats not just the camera that does that..)
Cheers for the feedback, I was quite surprised how quickly I finished it off after a few months absence, but I shall have good fun in it once I get the other 3 done in time, aiming to get 2 more done before Apocalypse, doubt that will happen as I tend to loose interest in projects if they take more than a week! In the meantime however I am going to finish off a 2x2 CoD board I have been working on for about 3 months and has been hidden under my bed recently discovered, then back on another trench, yey!

srsmith
06-02-2007, 20:49
Awesome job on the trench board!

Steel_Legion
06-02-2007, 23:59
Thanks :D Not sure if I want to add say some Lasguns piled up at the rear of the trench, or if that makes it too "Imperial-y" because it is being donated to my club and we are not all guard players there, what do you think? Lasgun stacks? Oil drums near the tank emplacement? (Found a few spare :D)

scrubout
07-02-2007, 03:42
Well, I mean, who else would employ massive trench networks besides traitor guard and loyalist guard? Basically, 'umies, not orks, not eldar, not chaos marines would build trenches. So I'd say go for a neutral stack of barrels and crates, but no imperial aquilas.

Very cool terrain board Legion.

-peace out
scrubout:skull:

Arch-Traitor Horus
07-02-2007, 05:39
Actually, WW1 trenches tended NOT to be that thin, at least not when the war started. As time went on, proper trench lines weren't possible due to time constraints and they became thinner.

some WWI trenches were wide so that tanks would fall in and get stuck

to me the whole thing seems a little small

Steel_Legion
07-02-2007, 18:06
I tested this theory, and infact a Leman Russ will nose dive into it, however my Vanquisher (extended hull) JUST makes it, so its pretty wide, at Scrubout - good call on only the guard being the only ones to use trenches, lasguns shall be added soon!

Colonel Stagler
10-02-2007, 22:50
thats why you add trench rails to the tanks, and they can go as they please over all the trenches they want![dice0]

Deadleyheadley
10-02-2007, 22:57
Thats one sweet board mate :) ,So whats next ?

Voronwe[MQ]
12-02-2007, 08:30
Great trench board! Though the walls seems a bit angular. What'll come next?

Voronwe

Steel_Legion
22-05-2007, 01:23
Sorry for the slight delay... exams came in the way a touch, so progress ground to a halt, but myself and Muse finally got around to it today, and got some more work done on 2 more trenches that we hopef to get painted next time he is over sometime next week.
Neil hard at work
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0288.jpg

Some sexy guy... oh wait, that just me :D
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0289.jpg

The first trench we worked on done, just needing razorwire and sandbags, to be added at a later date
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0291.jpg

Steel_Legion
22-05-2007, 01:24
Continued:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0292.jpg

Trench two:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0293.jpg

After some sanding and other stuff like costa coffee stirrers
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0294.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0298.jpg

Steel_Legion
22-05-2007, 01:25
Some other random bits of scenery we wored on, firstly a section of razor wire
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0295.jpg

Cities of Death building, yet to be mounted on a board
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0296.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0297.jpg

Some CoD barricades, undercoated with Tamiya German Grey
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0286.jpg

Enjoy! C&C
Alot of work for 2 lazy guys in one day, but hopefully in a few weeks we fill have enough trench for a few games using the 2x6 foot of trench, next update, sometime next week?
p.s. can a mod move this to terrain since thats the way these projects are orginised these days, cheers!

Brush your teeth
22-05-2007, 12:43
looks pretty good, but the barbed wire looks a bit 'floaty' and the drybrushing to 'wet'

BYT

Steel_Legion
22-05-2007, 13:29
Razorwire is not actually that high, about a few mm, the photo just makes it look higher, here are some better shots

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0301.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0300.jpg

OrlyggJafnakol
22-05-2007, 14:03
Enviable looking warzone you guys are building up there. Razor wire sections look very promising. Going to try some of those out myself!

Keep up the good work!

Muse
01-06-2007, 12:27
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/Swarfega5000/Trench%20Board/PICT0288.jpg



Yeah check me out, even wearing the T-shirt in case anyone gets confused.

Well the bits i done are looking great the other parts are alright, nothing special;)

And next comes your guard getting humped by my Marines when we play with it.:evilgrin: