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Lamenter
18-10-2006, 04:24
EDIT (30/10/06): Obviously kidding myself that I'd get this done in two weeks, this is now a slightly longer term project. Hoping to be finished by the end of the year.

Hey folks. I've been away from the hobby for a good while and finally have the time and money to put together the army I've wanted to do for a very long time. I have two weeks free time, and I intend to use it to put together a large (1500pt-ish) Snakebite footsloggin army. Note: Snakebite Clan rules, not feral ork army.

I bought £250 worth of models yesterday evening, with some more mail order stuff due tomorrow in the post. So I have the models. I have the time. I hope to have some semblance of an army within 2 weeks.

I'm planning on having all the models built by the end of friday this week, then I should have 10 days(ish) to paint em all. I was trying to write up a fixed army list before I bought anything, but in the end, just opted for something very rough and fill in the details as I go. My basic (approximate) army compostion will be as follows:

Warboss with a retinue (at a later date, I'll have duplicates on cyboars, so they can choose to ride into battle or walk)

Big Mob - 24 Slugga Boyz accompanied by a Painboss

8 Kommandos (Trappa stylee rather than Kommando models)

Skar Boy Mob - 12 Skarboyz

16 Huntas

16 Huntas

20 Grots (made from plastic goblins)

A Freebooter Mob (Converted Kommando models. Unsure what to use them as but they'll be painted as 1st edition freebooter pirates) - these guys get the all the crappy dangerous jobs :D

All the boyz in the army (except the freebooters) will be made from fantasy and 40k models, just to give them a feral feel. I'm also keen to give every boy a back banner, but not sure how I'm gonna do that yet. At a later date I'll add in boar riders and maybe a squiggoth, or some rusty vehicles.

I'll try and post photos of my progress each day. This army is more about aesthetics than game winning compostion, I want this to be that great looking army I've aspired to for so long. First photos will be up later tonight. Any inspiration or comments on improvements I should make will be very welcome.

Edit: may swap the Skarboyz for Mad boyz in zany poses.

FearFrost
18-10-2006, 05:54
Good luck to you sir!

Oh yeah, pictures. Give us some :)

MAD MAN-A-TRON
18-10-2006, 12:25
Sounds like an awesome project, can't wait to see some of da boyz!

I am also curious to hear how this army plays as I am interested in playing a clan army.

Getifa Ubazza
18-10-2006, 13:39
As im building an ork army to at the moment, i will be watching this thread with great interest.

As a side note. I personaly love seeing lots of piccies of other peoples models and look forward to you posting loads of pics of orks, an army which seems to be neglected on these boards.

Good luck with da boyz.

ExoCowboy
18-10-2006, 19:39
Good luck, and now get painting! You have lots of work to do in that time :cool:

Lamenter
18-10-2006, 20:11
In the beginning there was plastic...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orks1.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orks1.jpg

...and then he realised he needed another desk to work from.

Not much of an update, but this is my starting point.

My mail order stuff came this morning too, annoyingly with a sprue missing. Six to eight working days before I have the bits I need for my Warboss :mad:

Maus
18-10-2006, 22:42
How awesome to be able to just go out and buy an army at once. Might have to treat myself like that when I get a bit of $$$.

Gonfrask
18-10-2006, 23:40
Just two weeksĦĦĦĦ well if i were you i wil wait for a month, just for the release of Gorbad, because i think is the better mini for a warboss

Lamenter
19-10-2006, 00:09
I'm hoping to have the core of the army done in two weeks, I'm obviously going to be hard pushed, but I at least want everything I've purchased so far, built, painted in base colours and based.


well if i were you i wil wait for a month, just for the release of Gorbad, because i think is the better mini for a warboss

I didn't realise Gorbad was out so soon, are you sure? I heard the new fantasy boarboyz were scheduled for about six months time.

Hears what I've managed so far today. No assembled figures, but ninety percent of stuff is now off the sprues.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orks2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orks3.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orks4.jpg

Now time to sleep.

Easy E
19-10-2006, 08:30
You don't have the time to sleep. Back to work!

P.S. Mad Boyz are ACE if you dope them with a PigDok.

Lamenter
19-10-2006, 10:28
You don't have the time to sleep. Back to work!

P.S. Mad Boyz are ACE if you dope them with a PigDok.

Was up 36 hours straight yesterday. Have had 5 hours, now I'm back to work :cries:

Yes Madboyz are deffinately the unit of choice. Gonna make em 20 strong though and reduce the huntas mobs to 12 each.

Anyone got any suggestions on a good way to make back banners? I guess I could just use paper.

Like these... http://www.geocities.com/smithnewz/SnakesW.jpg

no-use4a-name
19-10-2006, 12:52
Here's an easy tutorial that a member of my gaming club did.


http://www.hqtheclub.org/content_gs_banners.html

Hope that helps with the banners.

Getifa Ubazza
19-10-2006, 14:00
Ok youv'e got the boyz, now get them painted. :D

Warlord Ghazak Gazhkull
19-10-2006, 20:54
I see forward to pic's of the assembled orcs.

Greetz
G

FearFrost
19-10-2006, 21:04
Use blister plastic to make banners...you can even heat it up with a lighter and bend it.

Maus
19-10-2006, 21:11
Use blister plastic to make banners...you can even heat it up with a lighter and bend it.What a great idea - I'll have to remember that one next time I need a banner. I'm sick of my paper banners getting tattered, especially ones where I've spent ages on the designs and shading.

Lamenter
19-10-2006, 22:39
It's not much but here's the first 5 Madboyz (the other 15 are in progress, should finish some more of them tonight).

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orks5.jpg

I'm trying to come up with some zany poses for the Madboyz, which is proving a little difficult. Later on they'll all have shields (in fact the entire army will have shields with the tribe totem, most of them strapped to their backs).

This is deffinately gonna take longer than I hoped.:(

Maus
19-10-2006, 22:41
The combination of WFB and 40k models is working really well, and I love the 3rd and 4th poses there - lots of character!

Lavfluris
20-10-2006, 00:12
Not thought of having some Madboys screaming towards the heavens, whilst some other Madboyz pick fights with each other?



This is deffinately gonna take longer than I hoped.:(Then you must either use the zany poses more than once taking care to make sure each model is every so slightly different, or assemble some of the Madboyz normally.

Whatever you decide to do, don't waste time! :cool:

shaw3029
20-10-2006, 00:58
It all looks really cool.


Is the Imperial fist in your signature thingy yours? He looks wicked. Have you got anymore photos of them anywhere?

Thanks

Ziljin
20-10-2006, 01:09
looking good, rofl one of them looks like he is playing hide and seek.

Lamenter
20-10-2006, 01:23
It all looks really cool.


Is the Imperial fist in your signature thingy yours? He looks wicked. Have you got anymore photos of them anywhere?

Thanks

That's a marine from the Lamenters Chapter. A project I started but never finished, I'll see if I can dig out some of the mini's tomorrow.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/lamenter1.jpg

I'm halfway through the Madboyz now, will have them finished midday tomorrow I think. As one of the more difficult mobs to assemble, I figured I'd get them out the way first.

Edit: Just found these two tutorials...

http://www.drunkdwarves.com/pages/artttgttcbanners.html
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze2h4x8/id22.html

I find myself quite inspired.

Lamenter
20-10-2006, 01:38
Not thought of having some Madboys screaming towards the heavens, whilst some other Madboyz pick fights with each other?


I'm taking some inspiration from Victoria Lamb's masterpiece

http://www.coolminiornot.com/11028

violenceha
20-10-2006, 03:16
How about one sitting on his bum looking into the business end of his bolter or another with his hands clamped over his ears and a stikkbomb hanging out his bottom. Not to mention the nose picker. Ahhh madboyz, if only it was possible to do an entire army of them.........

Maus
20-10-2006, 03:20
How about one sitting on his bum looking into the business end of his bolter or another with his hands clamped over his ears and a stikkbomb hanging out his bottom. Not to mention the nose picker. Ahhh madboyz, if only it was possible to do an entire army of them.........That'd be a good use for the otherwise-useless boar rider legs.

mangustheix
20-10-2006, 07:04
Madboys are such fun. You have one covering his eyes, why not have another covering his mouth and a third covering his ears ala the three monkeys.

You could have one doing a handstand as well

FearFrost
20-10-2006, 10:26
I dig the orks so far, nice poses.

I LOVE that Lamenter. Wow.

The boyz
20-10-2006, 11:08
Those Madboyz are looking pretty good so far Lamenter. I like the poses. Looking forward to seeing some more.

That Lamenter SM looks brilliant, great paintjob. The yellow looks very nice.

shaw3029
20-10-2006, 15:44
WOW, He looks wicked. If you've got anymore pictures I'd love to see them and If you have an indepth tutorial for the yellow that would be amazing.

I want to start an Imperial fist army once I finished my orks for 40k and my goblins for Warhammer. And that yellow is near enough what Im looking for. I want them to look rough and battle worn. He looks fantastic.

For the banner. The plasti card way looks really fiddly and time consuming. The green stuff way looks easier. But I dont think it would be as strong as the plasti card.

If you used paper could that work?


Check the Ork section on here.

http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/index.htm

And heres the page of the madboys.

http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2072orkmadboyz.htm

Getifa Ubazza
20-10-2006, 15:48
Those madboyz look, well mad really and that marine is very well painted and gives promise for how well the orks will be done. Cant wait to see a whole mob done. good luck.

Lamenter
20-10-2006, 18:17
Thank for all the positive comments. I'll have the assembled madboyz pics posted later tonight, aswell as some of the more normal Orks.

The Lamenters are my Space Marine army of choice, but I put them on hold about 12 months ago and never got started again. I'll finish them one day, probably when Codex:Xenohunters is released. I'll post the pics of the commander conversion and the yellow painting process a little later (I've got it written down somewhere I think).

Thanks again people.

Lavfluris
20-10-2006, 18:41
I'm taking some inspiration from Victoria Lamb's masterpieceAs good an inspiration any any, well done. I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of your conversions. :cool:

Lamenter
21-10-2006, 02:58
First off Lamenters.

The original.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/lamenter.jpg

Here's the converted unfinished Commander (I ended up painting his yellow using a different technique to the original, and it doesn't look anywhere near as good).
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/lamentercom.jpg


The yellows on the the original were done as follows:

A clean white undercoat, I did three light coats, as I've always had trouble with spraying GW skull white (I think shaking the can helps a lot too).

1 part badmoon yellow mixed with 1 part water. This is painted as one coat, too many coats would chaange the outcome.

Wash with 2 parts yellow ink, 1 part flesh wash, 2 parts water. This is kind of tricky. It need to be painted over the entire model, but be careful not to let it pool on any of the flat surfaces.

Next black lining. Thinned chaos black in all the crevaces and joins.

Finally the highlights. I started with golden yellow and worked my way up through sunburst, badmoon and eventually white. If you've made any mistakes with wash or black lining, fix em during the highlighting stage.

Afterwards I drybrushed the boots and greaves gently with brown and then a bit of chainmail. The scratches and dents were added carefully with thinned chaos black, with any large damage getting a coat of chainmail too.

I'm sure there are bettter and easier ways to achieve this kind of finish, but that's how I did mine. Please try experimenting, especially with the wash, as you may have less problems that I did. The wash I used kept pooling on the areas I wanted to highlight, meaning I had to clean up some bits.

Lamenter
21-10-2006, 03:10
Finished building the Madboyz Mob (minus the Pigdok).
Some of them I love, a few look a bit too normal and might find their way into a Slugga Boy Mob. The boy on the far right in the forth pic is the mob's standard bearer, complete with a little jester icon on the top of the banner.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orks5.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orks6.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orks7.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orks8.jpg

Lamenter
21-10-2006, 03:11
Also knocked together a grot that I'm gonna add to the Freebooter Mob (Tankbustas), complete with looted helmet and lasgun.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/freebootergretchin.jpg

Next up, da Freebooters!

AventineCrusader
21-10-2006, 04:44
I love the Grot, it has a whole lot of personality. I can't wait to see what you do with the Freebooterz. I have always liked them, since 2nd ed., but I have had a hard time of thinking on how to stick to their theme, without making them to comical.

Crusader

Da Reddaneks
21-10-2006, 05:00
great madboyz and grot. very impressive. you are doing a fantastic job.

Lamenter
21-10-2006, 06:29
Da Freebooter Kaptin carrying his Big Gun (will count as a rokkit launcha).

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/freebooterkaptin.jpg

The Kaptin has a bionik arm and goggles, so so does his grot hanger on.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/freebootergrot2.jpg

I also re-converted the previous grot to be the Kaptin's ammo runt.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/freebootergrot-1.jpg

FearFrost
21-10-2006, 10:38
Great work so far! Damn, I love that lamenter. I know, I said that already.

Ryss
21-10-2006, 11:38
Looks awesome! Truly awesome!
I only have one complain thought, Orcs/Orks don't got hair damnit! cut i off! NOW! They are fungus! They are bald! No hair! OK?! :mad:

Anyways, great job, keep it up!:D

Lamenter
21-10-2006, 11:48
Looks awesome! Truly awesome!
I only have one complain thought, Orcs/Orks don't got hair damnit! cut i off! NOW! They are fungus! They are bald! No hair! OK?! :mad:

Anyways, great job, keep it up!:D

Thank you.

By the way, ever heard of Hair Squigs? :D

Lamenter
21-10-2006, 12:27
Got a couple more Freebooters done. I'm trying to give them elements of looted imperial stuff, as a way of seperating them from the Snakebites who will only carry orky stuff.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/freebooters1.jpg

Getifa Ubazza
21-10-2006, 13:42
Love the madboyz, grots and freebootas, not so keen on the kaptain but i will wait till he's painted before i say anymore about him as that can make a huge differance.

cerealkiller195
21-10-2006, 17:30
love the two eavy weapon boys!

HiredSword.
21-10-2006, 18:42
wow, those are some really nice boyz, and good to see you taking inspiration from vitoria lamb's orc regiment, it's truly brilliant (the bosses banner says it all, heh).

At the moment though none of your orks look particularily snakebitey (apart from the ones with wfb pieces) what have you planned for the colour scheme?

Lamenter
21-10-2006, 20:08
With the exception of the Freebooters who will be quite colourfull, I'm gonna keep it fairly simple for the Snakebites. Browns, browns and rusty metals. I'm thinking of using red and white for the details like banners, glyphs and shields, and tattoos if I use them.

I'm totally confident that the painting will make them stand out as Snakebites, so I'm not worried too much if some of the models don't look Snakebitey just yet.

Maus
21-10-2006, 20:13
Could you flip the muzzle for the lascannon? It looks a little odd upside-down like that.

HiredSword.
21-10-2006, 21:21
With the exception of the Freebooters who will be quite colourfull, I'm gonna keep it fairly simple for the Snakebites. Browns, browns and rusty metals. I'm thinking of using red and white for the details like banners, glyphs and shields, and tattoos if I use them.

I'm totally confident that the painting will make them stand out as Snakebites, so I'm not worried too much if some of the models don't look Snakebitey just yet.


cool, that's all i was worried about. Tattoo's might look quite good as long as it's not overdone and i've no doubt that they'll be a high standard, now get painting!

Ziljin
21-10-2006, 21:31
the lascannon nozzle does look distracting, and what is the thing underneath it? It looks like a piece of the sprue lol.

Lavfluris
21-10-2006, 21:40
Got a couple more Freebooters done.Looking great.



It looks a little odd upside-down like that.Would an Ork care if the gun barrel was attached the wrong way around and thus captures people's attention? Of course not! All the Ork cares about it that it fires in roughly the right direction. :D

synapse
21-10-2006, 21:41
thats one tough ass nob! i love that model and the ammo runt is great too!

one minor problem... turn the barrel of that lascannonaround, its too distracting!

nice poses on the madboys, and the lamenter is great too (like the converted general)

Lamenter
21-10-2006, 22:31
the lascannon nozzle does look distracting, and what is the thing underneath it? It looks like a piece of the sprue lol.

It's from this...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/Imperial_Guard_Catachan_Lascannon_2.gif

...and I like it that way round:D

Remember it's not a lascannon, it's a Mek's kustom creation, made from parts of an imperial lascannon.

I'm gonna get a few more models assembled then I'll start work on the colour scheme and knock out a few test mins.

Getifa Ubazza
21-10-2006, 23:21
I actually like the lascannon that way round, its more orky that way and as someone else said, "An ork wouldnt care which way round it was, as long as it fired in the right direction".

Lamenter
22-10-2006, 00:13
Last heavy freebooter boy.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/freebooters2.jpg

And the entire mob.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/freebootermob.jpg

These will act as my tankbustas, all the heavy weapons counting as rokkit launchas.

Next up, a Huntas mob.

Lavfluris
22-10-2006, 00:39
Looking good.



These will act as my tankbustas, all the heavy weapons counting as rokkit launchas.Only four Rokkit Launchas? For Gork's sake, take five, the power of Mork compels you!

Lamenter
22-10-2006, 00:51
Only four Rokkit Launchas? For Gork's sake, take five, the power of Mork compels you!

3 per Mob max, plus one on the Nob.

Unfortunately I can't take Flash Gitz in a Snakebites army.:cries:

Lavfluris
22-10-2006, 00:53
3 per Mob max, plus one on the Nob.A slight bit of confusion on my part then. Happens from time to time. ;)

Lamenter
22-10-2006, 05:55
Hunta Mob 1. The Nob hasn't got his boss pole yet, because I may be giving them all back banners, so i thought I'd leave it for now.
Otherwise pretty standard really. 2 Big Shootas (one from a Heavy Bolter) are the max in a Hunta Mob.
Parts for the Nob are from the Fantasy Warlord plastic box
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orks10.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orks9.jpg

Grots next, pics later on tonight.

Zodiac
22-10-2006, 11:58
please dont give them back banners! It is literally unlogical for a frenzied machine like an ork to wear a backbanner, it will limit his movements.. and as orks dont like limited movement, it would break off in a week! Maybe for the boss its a good idea, but not too large man! Or else your strongest lad in the unit will have limited arm space. ( cant kill someone with your hands tied up can you? ) The boss looks good! He has this pose like:
All right mother-***** its time to use my ******* big weapon on your ****** ****!!!

EDIT: OK OK EXCEPT Jet li, jackie chan and mel gibson. Done now? :D

HiredSword.
22-10-2006, 12:47
"An ork wouldnt care which way round it was, as long as it fired in the right direction".

not even in the right direction sometimes, just as long as it's a loud bang.

I think your last heavy freebooter boy should have his hand swapped round so the laucnher looks like it's rested on his shoulder with the missile in his left hand, it might look more natural.

I partly agree with Zodiac on the back banners, but in a more accurate way, i disagree (sorry). I think you shouldn't put them on regular boyz, just the 'elite' boyz.

Warlord Ghazak Gazhkull
22-10-2006, 14:59
Nice looking army, I really like how the army is coming together.

Greetz
G

Lamenter
22-10-2006, 18:46
I partly agree with Zodiac on the back banners, but in a more accurate way, i disagree (sorry). I think you shouldn't put them on regular boyz, just the 'elite' boyz.

I'm inclined to agree too. I remember the second edition snakebites all having back banners, which I always thought looked impressive, but I think you're right. I'll give all Nobs back banners/boss poles and each mob will have it's own standard bearer (just for looks). Then the Warboss and his retinue will all have their own banners too, it'll make em stand out on the battlefield I think. Plus it's a lot less work for me.:)

So far the general army composition looks like this:

Warboss with 6-7 strong retinue

8 Kommandos (Trappa style)

24 Slugga Boyz (Da BIg Mob)

12 Huntas

12 Huntas

20 Madboyz

20+ Grots

7 Tankbustas (Freebooters)

Later on I'll add boar boyz, but I'll wait till early next year when the new fantasy boar riders are released. Thinking of adding another unit painted up as freebooters, maybe a Trukk Boyz Mob.

HiredSword.
22-10-2006, 19:48
boar boyz! of course! the reason for anyone choosing to do snakebite orks. From the look of the wfb warboss' boar, they'll be pretty static. Although they definately look better than the older models.

How about casting the head of a converted boar head (or any you have laying around :angel: ) and then buying some boar bodies to attach them to? It'd be a lot of work but would really make the most important unit in a snakebite army stand out.

Lamenter
22-10-2006, 21:02
My plan is to convert the standard boars to give them a bit less static pose as you put it. The alternate Warboss and retinue models will be mounted on cyboars. I'm planning to remove their legs and attach scratchbuilt mechanical legs to the sides of the boars (rather than underneath as they are now). For now though I'm gonna have the Warboss on foot.

Gen_eV
22-10-2006, 21:35
These guys are looking great so far, fantastic work on the conversions (especially that pair with the huge guns).

Can hardly wait to see what happens when you're unleashed upon the plastic boarz...

Lamenter
23-10-2006, 03:26
I got tired of cleaning the flash off all the Grots and decided to start work on my Warboss.
This is work in progress. The original model is Grimgor. I've cut the empire shields off from under his foot and will add detail to the base later. I swapped the axe for an Inquisitor scale chainsword (choppa) and added a top knot (not fixed yet). The top knot needs to stay to cover some unsightly detail I can't get rid of, plus he looks more Snakebitey for it.

Other things to add are a right hand, probably with an axe (maybe a kustom slugga), but undecided as of yet, backbanner/boss pole, and some other gubbinz and details. Also a bone gob off this model (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/newimage.gif).

Original Inspiration for this guy came from here (http://www.coolminiornot.com/118235).

Might also swap or lose the snotling. He'll also have an attack squig, courtesey of the new Gobbla model :evilgrin:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/warboss2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/warboss1.jpg

Any suggestions on how to improve him?

Lavfluris
23-10-2006, 03:38
Any suggestions on how to improve him?Do not remove the Snotling for starters!

The only issue I can see with the model is his armour being very different to that worn by the rest of the army. I am assuming this will also be the case when the Nobz retinue is assembled, which will make the Warboss stand out more. You can get around this by attacking some solid blocks of plasticard armour, arranged in a similar manner to the 'Eavy Armour worn on one of the current Nob models, but it's entirely down to you.

Not sure if the above was an improvement or nit picking though. ;)

MAD MAN-A-TRON
23-10-2006, 03:38
OI, DAT BOSS IZ PROPER!!!

I suggest that the boss holding aloft some poor imperial guards men in the grip of his power claw would look way cool, even a space marine perhaps. I am curious to see what you model on his base, maybe some more ummies?
I think he looks dead 'ard and ready for krumpin, so thumbs up! :D

Lamenter
23-10-2006, 04:03
Do not remove the Snotling for starters!

The only issue I can see with the model is his armour being very different to that worn by the rest of the army. I am assuming this will also be the case when the Nobz retinue is assembled, which will make the Warboss stand out more. You can get around this by attacking some solid blocks of plasticard armour, arranged in a similar manner to the 'Eavy Armour worn on one of the current Nob models, but it's entirely down to you.

Not sure if the above was an improvement or nit picking though. ;)

I understand entirely what you mean. I have some Black Orcs aswell as the standard Ork Nobz and with a bit of mixing and matching, and some intelligent painting, they should blend together quite well (I hope!).

I am actually considering abandoning the retinue. Keeping the Warboss on foot for smaller games and mounted with a retinue later on for bigger games. I kinda know the retinue on foot probably won't see much use once I have the boars.:(


OI, DAT BOSS IZ PROPER!!!

I suggest that the boss holding aloft some poor imperial guards men in the grip of his power claw would look way cool, even a space marine perhaps. I am curious to see what you model on his base, maybe some more ummies?
I think he looks dead 'ard and ready for krumpin, so thumbs up! :D

Thanks.

I'm probably gonna just have a scenic base, some rocks and vegetation. I don't want to detract from the model too much.

After a bit of playing around, I think he'll most likely get a power claw

violenceha
23-10-2006, 06:19
I think it needs fur drapped over the shoulders.

Lamenter
23-10-2006, 09:52
I think it needs fur drapped over the shoulders.

You are a Genius!

squiggoth
23-10-2006, 10:36
Any suggestions on how to improve him?

Make him more feral, ey? Black Orcs are the most sophisticated Orcs in WHFB and it shows on Grimgor.
Think about stuff like
- Trophy rack (like the one from Queek the Head-taker).
- furs and (squig)hides, fur-rimmed leather boots etc.
- teeth and bones and dangly bitz hanging from his armour.
- an Iron Gob made from a jawbone ... Oh, you've already got that planned. ;)
- and a massive fur cloak draped over his shoulders to bulk him out a bit .... Grimgor isn't much bigger than your average 40K nob. :)

HiredSword.
23-10-2006, 19:57
how about some ammo feeds and a bionic eye over where he's lost his old one?

Getifa Ubazza
24-10-2006, 14:05
Looking good mate, keep it up.

hereticdave
24-10-2006, 17:48
Looking fantastic!

Lamenter
24-10-2006, 19:11
Grots are almost done. Unfortunately I've had to cut to 2 week holiday short, so my slow progress will now be even slower. Hope to have all the stuff I've purchased so far painted up in the next month or so. Should have something painted by the end of the week too.

Thanks for the positive comments and suggestions so far.

Prince By-Tor
24-10-2006, 20:38
Nice work - you've provided losts of inspiration - I'm building up my own army so following your progress with great interest.

IJW
24-10-2006, 23:13
Lamenter, you're just mean! I keep trying to concentrate on getting my Harlequins done, and you go and do stuff like this! There's a pile of old Orks sitting in the attic quietly yelling out "OI! Quit wiv da bleedin' Pansies an' do a PROPA army!".

Lamenter
25-10-2006, 03:21
Nice work - you've provided losts of inspiration - I'm building up my own army so following your progress with great interest.

Good to here, let's see some pics.


Lamenter, you're just mean! I keep trying to concentrate on getting my Harlequins done, and you go and do stuff like this! There's a pile of old Orks sitting in the attic quietly yelling out "OI! Quit wiv da bleedin' Pansies an' do a PROPA army!".

Why yes I am :evilgrin: ,but that's another story...

Love that Wraithord by the way. Makes me want to start on some Eldar pirates led by Uriel, but da Boyz must come first. :D

Should have the Grotz finished tonight. Getting really tired of deflashing plastic components now :cries:

Lamenter
25-10-2006, 08:27
30 Grots. Made from old Night Goblins and the regualr Goblins. They have assorted weapons, spears, bows, and the old imperial gun. I wanted to use the grot guns from Gorkamorka but was unable to get hold of any.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/grots.jpg

Most of these little guys will also have shields, with similar iconography to that of their Ork masters. On the subject of which...


The Tribe's Motif

Here's how I plan the overall look of the tribe (subject to change :) ). The tribe shall be named "Da White Fangz" and the Warboss shall have red warpaint covering his entire face. As mentioned earlier I'm going to give him an Iron Gob made from a Jaw Bone (painted white, with big fangs) and this is where the tribe gets it's name. The rest of the tribe shall have red facepaint with their jaws painted white to emulate Da Boss. I took this image of a superbly painted Ork I found on CMON, and photoshoped his skin, as a form of test mini for the final look.

(just to emphasize, this is not my work)
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/testmini.jpg

The shields which most of the Boyz carry bear an Ork head icon, which will be painted the same way. This way I hope to create a consistent look throughout the whole army, aswell as make the freebooters look distinctly seperate. Any other tattoos will be done in red also. I'll be limiting the use of the red just to the warpaint and won't be used anywhere else on any of the models.

squiggoth
25-10-2006, 10:12
I wanted to use the grot guns from Gorkamorka but was unable to get hold of any.

You mean the metal sprue with about eight or so little grot blastaz on it?
If I'm not mistaken, GW's online store still sells them as 'gretchin weapon sprue' .... At least they did so not too long ago.

*edit*
Hmmmz, there's only one GorkaMorka sprue still available .... the Ork Kombat weapon sprue:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947040300801&orignav=9

And an old school Ork weapon sprue:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99399999021&orignav=9

:(

Lamenter
25-10-2006, 10:30
If I'm not mistaken, GW's online store still sells them as 'gretchin weapon sprue' .... At least they did so not too long ago.


Thanks for looking, I searched for them under every possible label I could think of and had no luck. I think they're fine as they are though. Throwing spears, bows and what-have-you are acceptable proxies for grot blastas in my mind.

HiredSword.
25-10-2006, 10:58
hmm, i like the idea, maybe not so much red on the head as you've put in that tester. You all the boyz in a squad have red heads it might detract from your cool conversions. Why not just paint white or red jaw motifs on their faces (so like the tester, but keeping the white and taking away the red) I think that might look better, remember that the banners will make the orks look dead flashy anyway and painting all that bright red might be overkill.

Lamenter
25-10-2006, 14:29
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/testmini.jpghttp://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/testmini2.jpg

Yes, I'm inclined to agree. :D

hereticdave
25-10-2006, 15:34
I think for the big boss the red would look sweet and separate and elevate him above the other boyz. In true orky fashion the others would want to copy him but not so much as to threaten his position [at least just yet :P] so the white jaws would be cool and various red tat's to show their allegience would fit in and look coherent as well as giving you a bit of a story.

Getifa Ubazza
25-10-2006, 17:33
I agree with the white jaw only idea with a few red tattoos here and there although i really like the red heads as well, I just prefer the white jaw.

citizenkade
25-10-2006, 18:00
Simply brilliant work! I love it!

HiredSword.
25-10-2006, 19:37
i like what hereticdave said about using a red head for the leader.

Also, try and make them look like paint, so that they don't look like that's their skin colour. One way of doing this is buying masking fluid from any local art store. Its a liquid plastic and is used for watercolour painting where you apply it to areas you don't want to be painted and is peeled off really easily to leave a clear mark. First paint the orks without the tattoos and then apply some masking fluid with a brillo pad so that it's scattered randomly on the model. Then paint your red or white. When this is done you can peel it off and it'll look decayed. It's really easy to use, i saw an article on the us gw site where they used this technique to show decay on a tau pirahna.

edit; ta da http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/tau/painting/piranha/1.htm

Lamenter
26-10-2006, 15:00
Nice suggestion, though maybe over complicated for my needs. I think any warpaint will have very little highlights/shadows and be kinda blocks of colour to distinguish it from the natural skin tone. The masking fluid could certainly a good method for vehicles, when I buy some.

Should have the Warboss conversion finished later on today.

Things left to assemble - Retinue, Big Mob (24 Slugga Boyz), Slaver, 12 Huntas, 8 feral looking Kommandos. Additionally I'm gonna add a Big Mek with mekboy retinue and paint them as freebooters.

The Freebooters have been hired by Skargob Zagbad (the Warboss) for their much reputed firepower, and even though he disapporves of too much technology, he's cunning enough to know he's in need of it against his enemies.

Lamenter
26-10-2006, 16:49
Here he is, Skargob Zagbad. (need a name for his grot too)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/newwarboss2.jpg

I swapped the boots for those off of the regular ork warboss to keep him more in line with the rest of the army.
In doing so I found he looked a lot with both feet on the ground rather than one raised up on something.
This makes him look like he's stomping forward, parrying with the sword and ready to strike with the axe. Waaagh! :evilgrin:

Some greenstuffing to do, but otherwise done.

Lavfluris
26-10-2006, 16:54
Here he is, Skargob Zagbad.He's looking great.

One possibility is to twist the right forearm around until it looks as if he is bringing down the axe. That would add a further sense a movement to him. :cool:

Getifa Ubazza
26-10-2006, 17:32
Wow he's cool, cant wait to see him painted.

Lamenter
26-10-2006, 17:59
One possibility is to twist the right forearm around until it looks as if he is bringing down the axe. That would add a further sense a movement to him. :cool:

I tried out that pose, but found it interfered with the banner pole too much, and overall I prefer his current position, but thanks for the suggestion. :)


Wow he's cool, cant wait to see him painted.

Now that I have 70 orks assembled I going to start painting them. The rest of the models can wait until I have a playable force painted up.

HiredSword.
26-10-2006, 21:22
very nice, a marine helmet on the banner would help tie him into 40k even more.

Gutta
27-10-2006, 12:52
This is very impressive! For the warboss, I think you should do something about the grot, since now the warboss has such a sense of movement, it looks odd for him to be sitting looking in the opposite direction.

Lamenter
27-10-2006, 17:18
This is very impressive! For the warboss, I think you should do something about the grot, since now the warboss has such a sense of movement, it looks odd for him to be sitting looking in the opposite direction.

I couldn't agree more, and I've just found the perfect grot to take his place...

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947020912306&orignav=13

...he's part of the rock lobba crew, the goblin pulling the lever. If I swap the lever with the snotling on the end for a tiny axe head and remove the rock from under his right foot so he's leaning forward, he'll be perfect.

Now do I buy a Rock Lobba from the local store or order that single model and pay postage? Well I kinda wanted some primitive artillery anyway :D. Perhaps I should get two...

squiggoth
27-10-2006, 20:08
remove the rock from under his right foot so he's leaning forward

Hehehe, that thing under his foot is not a rock, it's a very unhappy squig. ;)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a285/squiggothnurgle/MoreGitz.jpg

Lamenter
27-10-2006, 20:16
Hehehe, that thing under his foot is not a rock, it's a very unhappy squig. ;)

Hehe, I'm sure I can find a use for that somewhere else :D

Also bought myself a Wartrukk for my freebooters today. Gonna convert it with extra parts from a Rhino.

Will have something painted in the next few days, when time permits (and when I've clean up all the plastic shaving from the mould lines, they're bloody everywhere).

Lamenter
28-10-2006, 18:45
Small update.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orkwarboss3.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orkwarboss1.jpg

shield to be added to back (after painting)
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/orkwarboss2.jpg

and da runt with stikkbomb
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/runt.jpg

Khrangar
28-10-2006, 19:46
That's one massive attack squig. What are you going to do with skarsnik(?) or did you just mail order gobbla?

The army is coming along well, good job.

Khrangar

Lamenter
28-10-2006, 20:38
That's one massive attack squig. What are you going to do with skarsnik(?) or did you just mail order gobbla?

The army is coming along well, good job.

Khrangar

Skarsnik will probably spend the next few years sitting in my bitz box :( .

I'm thinking of having the Gobbla model count as an Ork Nob, as the attack squig is a little weak considering the size of the model.

Bitterman
28-10-2006, 21:53
Dude...I love what you have done. Your warboss is really, really, REALLY inspirational. Damn...Thanks for sharing these!

Cheers!!

Lamenter
28-10-2006, 22:29
Dude...I love what you have done. Your warboss is really, really, REALLY inspirational. Damn...Thanks for sharing these!

Cheers!!

Thanks. :)

I hope to have him painted soon.

Lavfluris
29-10-2006, 18:22
I'm thinking of having the Gobbla model count as an Ork Nob, as the attack squig is a little weak considering the size of the model.Nah, he looks good enough as an Attack Squig.

Maybe a couple of broken chains can be added?

synapse
29-10-2006, 21:01
thats one hell of an attack squig! cant wait to see tose two painted. I like the warboss; its an understated conversion not ott at all, which i love

Lamenter
29-10-2006, 22:38
thats one hell of an attack squig! cant wait to see tose two painted. I like the warboss; its an understated conversion not ott at all, which i love

Thanks. In my opinion the less a model looks like a conversion the more successful the conversion actually is :D

I'll try and get him painted tomorrow. Any thoughts on what colour to do the squig? I'm thinking of doing the same skin colour as my orks to emphasize the genetic connection, not sure though.

Lavfluris
29-10-2006, 23:06
Any thoughts on what colour to do the squig?If you paint each of the Orkoid species in different shades of green, you can show that they are related, but different.

For instance, the Squigs could be painted in a rather pale green, the Grots could be painted in a slighter darker green, the Orks could be painted in an average green, the Nobs could be painted in a slighter darker green and the Warboss could be painted in the darkest green of all. This way, the darkness of their skin colour would represent their prowess and social standing.

Easy E
30-10-2006, 07:56
Also, on the squig put Glyph tattoos on it similar to the tattoos on the Boyz.

Mrlemonjelly
30-10-2006, 10:24
All this stuff is fantastic. I love orks and I love converting them, but yours are just ... ace. That chainsword on the warboss works really well.

Lamenter
30-10-2006, 19:22
Half way(ish) on the warboss painting.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/warboss/IMG_0732.jpg

Adlan
30-10-2006, 19:30
I really like the skin on that, it's a bit harsh, but gives the feeling of defined muscle.

FearFrost
30-10-2006, 19:45
This is going really well, Lamenter.

ExoCowboy
30-10-2006, 20:06
I love that green skin, simply amazing what you have done with that waaa-boss. Just keep the momentum on and give us more pics, please :cool:

HiredSword.
30-10-2006, 20:24
damn that's nice!

I still think something like a marine helmet on the banner will make the conversion look even more like it's 40k rather than fantasy. But aside from this minor detail, i love it.

Lamenter
30-10-2006, 20:33
damn that's nice!

I still think something like a marine helmet on the banner will make the conversion look even more like it's 40k rather than fantasy. But aside from this minor detail, i love it.

Your probably right, but I'm too lazy to alter the model now ;)

I may add a half buried marine helmet to the front of the base. Besides I'm keeping the boss poles with the skewered helmets for my freebooter orks. I'm adding a second unit of freebooters to go with the Tankbustas, a Big Mek and retinue mounted in a WarTrukk. They'll be equipped with burnas and a variety of kustom shootas (blasta!) with a reputation for killin' da beakies.

Getifa Ubazza
30-10-2006, 20:37
I love the skin on that warboss, keep up the good work.

synapse
30-10-2006, 21:40
nice painting on the skin - will the nobs/orks be lighter in tone? or do you plan on them being all the same shade? id go for classic red on the squig :D

Lamenter
30-10-2006, 21:54
nice painting on the skin - will the nobs/orks be lighter in tone? or do you plan on them being all the same shade? id go for classic red on the squig :D

I'm gonna keep them all the same shade, though maybe less detail on the regular boyz. The squig will probably be the same shade too. Even though I like the idea of varying shades representing varying levels of strength and power, I personally prefer them to all match. :D

HiredSword.
30-10-2006, 22:52
i'm liking this model more and more...

It might be the fact most of the model's black at the moment but i think the bone could be toned down a bit and made to look a bit more decayed. Also i remembered another thing that makes snakebites; snakebite leather! It'd be nice to see a lot of brown's used, it'll make the skin colour stand out as well.

AventineCrusader
30-10-2006, 22:54
That skin is great! I can't wait for the rest of this army.

Crusader

Lamenter
03-11-2006, 22:34
The (very nearly) finished Warboss. Still needs a back shield, basing (got no sand :( ) and the banner needs finishing. Taken a while to finish because I dropped him and watched him break into 9 separate pieces, accompanied by much swearing from myself :mad:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/warboss.jpg

Ziljin
03-11-2006, 23:12
just wondering, why doesn't he have a gun?

Brush your teeth
03-11-2006, 23:24
im guessing because he's an ork :p who needs to shoot when you can bash heads :D

that paintjob is excelent Lamenter really nice characterfull model there

Bloodthirster90
04-11-2006, 00:45
im guessing because he's an ork :p who needs to shoot when you can bash heads :D

QFT
nice paintjobs there. those lamenters are nice too.

FearFrost
04-11-2006, 01:42
Pretty damned nice!

Easy E
04-11-2006, 08:59
Ummm, I don't think your going to get done in two weeks, but with a painting standard like that who can blame you.

You might want to add some splashes of color, right now he doesn't stand out that much. The skin tones are fantastic however!

More boyz please!

AventineCrusader
04-11-2006, 13:05
Agreed, I think something somewhat brighter, a yellow or red maybe, on the banner would set this model off nicely.

Crusader

HiredSword.
04-11-2006, 13:20
maybe a light brown for the banner? it looks more like goffs than snakebites at the moment because of the lack of light browns. Aside from that its lovely!

Getifa Ubazza
04-11-2006, 15:34
just wondering, why doesn't he have a gun?

My warboss doesnt have a gun ether, just two big choppy choppas.:D

Lamenter
04-11-2006, 19:13
My warboss doesnt have a gun ether, just two big choppy choppas.:D

I'm thinking of counting his chainsword as a powerfist. If scaled up properly it would be over 9 foot long with a 15 inch deep blade and 2 inch long teeth. That's gotta count for something! :evilgrin:


maybe a light brown for the banner? it looks more like goffs than snakebites at the moment because of the lack of light browns. Aside from that its lovely!

You're right about him looking like a goff, but he wears mostly armour plates that I wanted painted black. Too make him stand out as a Snakebite I'm gonna paint snakes onto his back banner (maybe a two headed snake). I am trying to stick to a limited pallette of colours, and I don't want to detract too much from the boss himself, ie: his face. The basic colours being green (duh!), white, browns and blacks and a few details in red. I guess I could add one other colour.

Anyone think I should use colour on this top knot?

Maus
04-11-2006, 19:34
Anyone think I should use colour on this top knot?I don't think so. Ork hair is black naturally, isn't it? A snakebite wouldn't care for a dye job.

squiggoth
05-11-2006, 00:53
Sweet paint job but he does look too much like a Goff. It's the black scheme with white details - traditional old school Snakebites wore mainly leather, with white and red details (white fields with a red snake glyph) and then a whole load of colourful little bits and bobs.
The black armour looks good, but I'd add some red in the white areas here and there, maybe replace the black dags on the chainsword with red dags, and especially change the colour of the topknot, as black&white hair is as Goffy as you can get. ;)
Maybe add some warpaint to the face as well, or some small red glyphs on the jawbone.


Ork hair is black naturally, isn't it?

Ork hair has the colour of whatever hair squig they're wearing at that moment. Could be anything. ;)

Easy E
05-11-2006, 07:11
I thought you were going to paint his skull red? That would help him stand out.

Plus, I thought you were going to use some red tats and glyphs? That would also help draw the eye, and done in small details would accent the model nicely.

Keep up the great work. This is one of my favorite projects. Any new Madboyz?

ss_cherubael
05-11-2006, 08:38
fething lovely mate, that nob is bloody fantastic! i love the heavy weapon orks too, the captain is sweet and i love the bionic claw, cant wait to see them painted up all orky and such!

Lamenter
05-11-2006, 13:15
I thought you were going to paint his skull red? That would help him stand out.

Plus, I thought you were going to use some red tats and glyphs? That would also help draw the eye, and done in small details would accent the model nicely.

Keep up the great work. This is one of my favorite projects. Any new Madboyz?

In the end I decided the only warpaint would be the white jaws (to go on every model) to represent each of the ladz following this warboss. Also I prefer the detail of the green skin which wouldn't look quite right if I did it with the warpaint. When I do add warpaint it'll be a block of colour without detail to make it stand out.

I'd love to do tats and glyphs but I fear that without a lot of visible skin it may just look a bit confused. Some of the boyz shall have tats on their arms, and I have plans to make one of the nobs (the the waaagh banner bearer) bare chested with big orky tats, similar pose to the Vostroyan standard bearer.

With the exception of the PigDok model I won't be doing any more madboy models. Having just one mob makes them more characterful and in my eyes would be un-fluffy to have too many.

Thanks to everyone who's commented on my (slow) progress so far. Some comments have really been helpful, and the positivity has helped push me that bit harder to get some results I'm really pleased with.

So here he is, Skarbgob Zagbad Da Whitefang...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/warboss/warboss-2.jpg

need a name for him...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/warboss/warboss-1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/warboss/warboss-4.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/lamenter76/orks/warboss/warboss-3.jpg

Will do the base later today. Do you guys think I should go snow terrain (black, drybrushed white with snow flock) or dessert (snakebite leather, static grass in patches)?

Gutta
05-11-2006, 13:22
Beautugly! A beautiful model of an ugly creature!
For the grot, how about Kutgob Whitetoof, as a small impersonation of his leader.

HiredSword.
05-11-2006, 13:50
love it! much better and more like a snakebite Ork. I love the banner as well btw (a bit detailed for an ork, but then again thats what humies are for). There's a lot of black on the model but it doesn't look like a Goff anymore.

I know what you mean when you say tattooes may look overcrowded will cover that nice skin colour, so how about glyphs just on the armour? This way you can have black armour and still make them look like snakebites not goffs.


And desert bases, hands down. keep up the good work. :)

Getifa Ubazza
05-11-2006, 14:05
Your warboss looks great, now that he's mostly done, whats next, I vote for the madboyz.

Lamenter
05-11-2006, 15:17
Beautugly! A beautiful model of an ugly creature!
For the grot, how about Kutgob Whitetoof, as a small impersonation of his leader.

Kutgob Zigbad da Whitetoof!


love it! much better and more like a snakebite Ork. I love the banner as well btw (a bit detailed for an ork, but then again thats what humies are for). There's a lot of black on the model but it doesn't look like a Goff anymore.

I know what you mean when you say tattooes may look overcrowded will cover that nice skin colour, so how about glyphs just on the armour? This way you can have black armour and still make them look like snakebites not goffs.


And desert bases, hands down. keep up the good work. :)

Hmm... human slaves...:evilgrin:

I'm leaning toward desert bases too, more brown should help bring out the browns on the figure too (I think).

Yes a few glyphs here and there will make up for his lack of tats too.


Your warboss looks great, now that he's mostly done, whats next, I vote for the madboyz.

Madboyz next, I'll do them in four batches of 5. Update on them tonight. I'm wondering whether to give them all some kind of marking/tat/warpaint to mark them of as being "Speshul".

After putting so much time and effort into this model I've decided I won't be doing a Boar Riding version, but I will be enlarging the size of his retinue to about 10 models, that I will really go to town on. Maybe later I'll make a wooden battle wagon, snotling powered of course (with wheels off the skaven doom wheel).

Sick
05-11-2006, 15:21
I really like the style of your Orks, I'll have to give the "mix 40K with FB parts" thingy a go.

Keep it up, I WILL be watching you! :p

squiggoth
05-11-2006, 15:55
The red did the trick ..... now he looks like a Snakebite. Job'z a good 'un! :cool:

I'd go for desert bases .... slightly uoriginal for Snakebites, but on snowbases the models will merge with the base visually.


After putting so much time and effort into this model I've decided I won't be doing a Boar Riding version, but I will be enlarging the size of his retinue to about 10 models, that I will really go to town on. Maybe later I'll make a wooden battle wagon, snotling powered of course (with wheels off the skaven doom wheel).

Why not make a little single-boar-powered chariot where his base fits in and count it as a super-cyboar?

Lavfluris
05-11-2006, 17:32
Lamenter, I've been following this project from the start, and I have to say, I am very impressed and can only hope the rest of the army turns out like the Warboss. :cool:

Lamenter
05-11-2006, 17:44
Why not make a little single-boar-powered chariot where his base fits in and count it as a super-cyboar?

Now there's an idea :D , though I still think I'll do a wooden battlewagon in future.


Lamenter, I've been following this project from the start, and I have to say, I am very impressed and can only hope the rest of the army turns out like the Warboss. :cool:

Thanks. I hope so too.

The Keeper of Secrets
05-11-2006, 19:11
How about gogg as a name for the grot...

Loving your'e work though, really rocks

FearFrost
07-11-2006, 18:36
He looks great!