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old guard
22-10-2006, 11:21
It's all Mark Bedfords fault, and I told him so.
Ever since I started the financial drain (that's what she who must be obeyed calls it) that is 40k, I have always stayed with the 'good guys' IG, IG and for a change more IG with only my DA making me stray to the dark side (allegidely). So it was with horror and yet morbid fascination that I found myself fighting through that maelstrom which was the 'queue' (very loosest use of the term) to the FW stand to buy 2 packs of Chaos militia torsoes!(and at long last my Baneblade)
Since then FW have of course now released the arms accesories which of course means I will have to buy more!!!!......Curse them! However despite knowing that the arms were on the way I decided to make a start and just could not stop. Did I finish all the stuff waiting to be completed on my desk, which was the subject of an earlier thread?..... (insert Vincent Price style demonic laughter)....No!

Anyway...get on with it.... 2 squads complete with heavy stubber/bolter WWI maxim/vickers inspired, RPG7 like rocket launcher and in amongst it all Olly the Oggy whose simple mind was so easely lured by the sickly, horrifying yet at the same time not unpleasant call of chaos. Arms and legs are catachan cadian and empire militia as are the weapons, along with a kroot rifle. The pouches are a mix from the above as well as some bits from 1.35th figure model sets, German WWII, Viet cong and NVA. and a few GS pouches as well.

They are all still WIP so there may be the odd mold line and I have'nt really done anything to the bases yet.

Colour schemes aren't clear in my mind yet nor is a name for this force though it will of course need to be something fancy along the lines of the 'sons of Sek', Blood pact, Chaotic front of judea....SPLITTERS!!!!!!!!!!.

C&C welcome, apologies for some of the photoes.

Messiah
22-10-2006, 11:26
Nice. I really like the ogryn, will be interesting to see painted. :)

Darkseer
22-10-2006, 11:33
Hmmm...

I have 14 slots left in my carry case.
Do I get a Great Spined Beast or some Chaos Militia?

Please tell me!

firestorm40k
22-10-2006, 11:33
That ogryn/Big Mutie is superb. Nice looking stuff, Old Guard! :cool:

Lavfluris
22-10-2006, 11:49
This should really be in Project Logs.



2 squads complete with heavy stubber/bolter WWI maxim/vickers inspired, RPG7 like rocket launcher and in amongst it all Olly the Oggy whose simple mind was so easely lured by the sickly, horrifying yet at the same time not unpleasant call of chaos.I can not help but think that Olly the Ogryn is your Warhammer 40,000 personification. ;)

Keep up the good work!

Tyra_Nid
22-10-2006, 12:05
MAN, that vickers is ACE... please tell me how you did it?

Brush your teeth
22-10-2006, 12:08
looking good, im now even more tempted to get a bunch of these guys...

im not to keen on the missile launcher though, never heard of the RPG7 which you mentioned but to me it just looks like some weird panzerfaust kind of thing

AmKhaibitu
22-10-2006, 12:47
Looks like the body of an ork shoota to me. The whole lot look cool.

old guard
22-10-2006, 12:59
[QUOTE=Lavfluris;1024971]


I can not help but think that Olly the Ogryn is your Warhammer 40,000 personification. ;)

QUOTE]

Are you saying I'm fat!?!

re the vickers yes it is an ork shoota the one with the bullet belt mounted on an IG heavy weapon tripod and with a barrel extension from a cut down mortar round. I'm also using shootas for the basis of ripper guns form my IG ogryns (6 to a box 3 for each side) need some leadbelcher arms as well though so maybe 2 more each or I might just get the right sprue. Ill show you one of the IG ones a bit later.

RPG7!! you need to watch the news a bit more, the jihadists favourite little anti vehicle weapon. However you are quite right the 'current' german army (at least I think theyr still in service) panzerfaust is similar in it's basic design. I was going to use a steel legion rocket launcher but theyr harder to get hold of than rocking horse manure at the moment.

Thanks for the comments guys any ideas on clours and names?

AmKhaibitu
22-10-2006, 13:05
Well dark and dirty comes to mind.
I mean use The Hoff's as a bit of inspiration. However they do need to stand out with contrast and stuff.

Don't be afraid to use the occasional bright colour, and make sure the flesh doesn't have a healthy tone if it turns up anywhere.

Seleucus Nicator
22-10-2006, 13:16
The models are looking great, especially the Ogryn. Are you intending to collect a full army, or try and stop yourself from doing this?

old guard
22-10-2006, 14:28
More pickies of Olly and his former IG colleagues (unfinished)

and yes ther is an ever increasing likely hood that a full army is on the way but I dont have a structure yet.

Brush your teeth
22-10-2006, 14:32
RPG7!! you need to watch the news a bit more, the jihadists favourite little anti vehicle weapon. However you are quite right the 'current' german army (at least I think theyr still in service) panzerfaust is similar in it's basic design. I was going to use a steel legion rocket launcher but theyr harder to get hold of than rocking horse manure at the moment.



ok, im guessing that this is a RPG7 then...

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41378000/jpg/_41378068_rpg-ap416.jpg

never knew it was called that, if that is what your going for then i'd say a thiner launching tube would look better. looks good all the same, and i guess it doesnt have to look like a RPG7

the orgyns are looking really nice as well, is that chainsword just tow regular ones stuck back to back?

old guard
22-10-2006, 14:38
yep on both counts though I think that the afgan chappy there might be holding an RPG2 so it was probably his dad's first ah familly heirlooms... yes you are right mine is a bit chunky (chaos are such clumsy types you have to make gibbering idiot proof).
space marine chain swords, the IG ones dont gice the feeling of the chain goes all the way round when back to back.

Lavfluris
23-10-2006, 03:21
Are you saying I'm fat!?!No, I was commenting on how easily your 'simple mind was so easely lured by the sickly, horrifying yet at the same time not unpleasant call of chaos'. ;)

Anyway, keep up the work. I do like those hideously big mutant Guardsmen.

cpl_hicks
23-10-2006, 04:11
OG love the work

on the rpg7, maybe making the rocket its self smaller, at the moment the warhead is twice the size of the troopers head

ml2sjw
23-10-2006, 10:52
for those who want to know this is an RPG-7 http://m4a1.net.cn/images/RPG-7-A.jpg

cookiescrumble
23-10-2006, 11:01
I'm also planning an army on the Militia parts, using the Imperial guard rules. The new arms from forgeworld look cool, i'll be getting some soon as i already have the torsos.

EDIT: Looking good btw.

bbb
23-10-2006, 16:44
looks great so far. keep up the good work!

precinctomega
23-10-2006, 16:49
Hey, Old Guard, do I recognize old Action Force accessories on the backs of those Ogryns?

R.

old guard
23-10-2006, 17:59
Nope! the backpacks are from a Tamiya tank accessory set and some Dragon ranger figures all the orangy bits a re dragon, US 'butt packs' and the wermarcht large water canteen for the larger german soldier. All easely available stuff (if you have access to a half decent model shop)

I've just got some leadbelchers for better 'I'm hoding my rifle properly' poses.

The plan is now a 4 IG ogrin squad, 1 bonehead, 3 troopers one of which will have a drum fed support ripper gun. this will sort of follow current day fireteams (half a section in the british army) with a commander 2 riflemen and a chappy with a minimi(or SAW (M248?!?)dependant upon what side of the pond you are from) or should that be maximi?...given the size of it!

As for the 'dark side probably 5, all masked up and stimmed up with pretty unsubtle weapons like a length of bent girder ripped off a buiding and decorated with the scalps and bits of those unfortunate enough to have got in the way.

On the millitia, I am considering a change to the missile, I might even bite the bullet and get the propper steel legion one. Still haven't got a name for them though I did fancy twisting the official name of the inquisition... the real one... that the current pope used to be in charge of... its got a good ring to it, if I can only remember what it is.

Hopefully more progress soon but I have to go up't north for a couple of days with work tommorrow night.

Thanks for the comments guys

synapse
23-10-2006, 18:47
Love the vickers and the ogryn that looks like a big chaos milita! any idea on colour schemes?

Rictus
23-10-2006, 19:43
I wish you hadn't posted these...I am determined to not buy any FW traitor stuff until the books are out, I even got through Games Day without giving in but these are really tempting me. Loving the Ogryns especially.

Ziljin
23-10-2006, 20:19
the recent two ogyrns don't look chaosy enough, I mean they look like regular ogryns compared to your converted one. which I am sure is fine, because not all traitors have to look chaosy, but I think it looks cooler plus more conversion oppurtunities.

old guard
23-10-2006, 20:35
The other 2 aren't chaos, on an earlier post I mentioend that I split the box so 3 to each side. Well...5 to side now strictly speaking though I'm only planning 4 as IG. I only put those 2 up as comparison and to show what else I'm up to. Variety is the spice and all that. Working on a nother chaos one at the moment. Hopefully will get the general structure done and then do the GS work on Friday.

Rictus: just let the darkness in....go on....chaos is strong...chaos is good...Tony cotrell and all is little evil trolls need you....

sinapse: no not yet, open to suggestions, I'm thinkind something suitably eeeuuww! brownish , bubonic or leprous something along those lines.

Ziljin
23-10-2006, 21:01
oh okay, I guess I missed that part. I was paying the most attention to the pictures.

Lavfluris
23-10-2006, 21:01
brownish , bubonic or leprous something along those lines.You are near enough describing the four substances that Medieval surgeons believed humans were composed of. For the uninitiated, the substances were black bile, yellow bile, blood and phlegm.

Maybe you could use each of those colour in the colour scheme? :)

sanctusmortis
23-10-2006, 21:08
Those were the fluids known as the four humours in Hippocratic medicine, from the Greeks.

I studied medical history at GCSE, I did...

Lavfluris
23-10-2006, 21:08
I studied medical history at GCSE, I did...And it shows, thank you for setting me right on the matter! :)

old guard
23-10-2006, 22:18
Excellent who says this hobby isn't hedukationaial!

later folks off to Bolton and manchester Huzzah! (please read the last word in the most monotone voice you can muster to get a taste of how I feel on the matter of) back thursday night.

The views expressed in this post are in no means intended to isult the inhabitants of the aforementioned towns or surrounding areas. Old guard would like to point out that he is a shandy drinking southern......

cpl_hicks
23-10-2006, 23:11
Still haven't got a name for them though I did fancy twisting the official name of the inquisition... the real one... that the current pope used to be in charge of... its got a good ring to it, if I can only remember what it is.

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_the_Doctrine_of_the_Faith)

which i dont think needs to be changed at all

Getz
24-10-2006, 00:07
Fear not, Old Guard... I too fell to the lure of Chaos when I made my Blood Pact, but at least we're really still playing Guard, only with spikes...

so, How are you going to field these Guys? Using the IG or the LatD list?

I'd suggest going for LatD - it's much more characterful, your Ogryns can be Big Muties and you get to take lots and lots of Heavy Stubbers...

Colour Scheme wise, i don't know if this appeals to you, but I distinctly remember a Chaos Unit in one of the Gaunts Ghosts books who were running around in S&M gimp suits... Perhaps a dark brown and black leather look might work. It would certainly go with the masks and give the army a very dark, brooding look...

old guard
24-10-2006, 08:04
Could'nt resist a last look before the off. Thanks hicks but surely....unfaith.

Getz....mmm.. the idea has merit, might have to do a trial paint job and see what thats like. as for which list ...not sure at the moment I might plan for all eventualities and have optional units for both and put 2 lists together.

Later folks

Lavfluris
24-10-2006, 21:13
Thanks hicks but surely....unfaith.I think your militia would consider themselves to be faithful to whatever they believe in. ;)



as for which list ...not sure at the moment I might plan for all eventualities and have optional units for both and put 2 lists together.Good idea. You can easily exchange the more Chaotic units used from Codex: Eye of Terror for the more specialised units from Codex: Imperial Guard, depending on your mood.

Rictus
25-10-2006, 00:17
Rictus: just let the darkness in....go on....chaos is strong...chaos is good...Tony cotrell and all is little evil trolls need you....

I gave in to chaos years ago...8k and counting.. I told Mark Bedford at GD he was going to bankrupt me and he just found that amusing. When I saw the berserker concept I knew I was doomed.

With the militia do you have any plans on using other plastic kits such as the marauders or catachan or will you base any other figures on the cadian kits as well?

old guard
27-10-2006, 08:18
I'm back! Huzzah:evilgrin:

Rictus dear chap, I have already used some catachan parts, basically I just raided the bitz box for these squads and there were some catachan parts in there.
I have'nt really thought of marauder parts though I haven't dismissed the idea. One thing that I may want to do is cultists (troop choice or conscripts dependent on what list used) I quite like the Firebase ones and I do have some of the parts for those but I might also consider trying to create some that are a bit like the DOW ones and I think that a combination of elf archer legs with marauder torsoes (not sure about the heads yet but they'd probably need half face respirators or something) would do the trick. I'm owed some money from work (toll road fee to get back down south faster!;) ) so I might have to order up some bits to do a trial run.

There is a tank planned, maybe something like an AT-70 since I have a chimera chassis spare and a couple of russ turrets and upper hull components but that's still a bit up in the air at the moment.

Still not sure about the colours yet and now with the above in mind I also need to think about armour.

The weekends coming up:) and I'm on a short day today:) so hopefully some progress will be achieved.

old guard
28-10-2006, 23:14
Double post! ouch!:angel: Sorry Smite me oh mighty smiter if you must but hear my defence: Update!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have seriously raided the bits box on this one to create something that could have proudly rolled of one of the Urdeshi production lines.
so to the ranks of the 'Congregation for the doctrine of the unfaith' I add armour in the form of this wee beasty

Very early stages so far and thrown together tonight. There is much GS work to be done and more detail needed though I am not going spikey since I dont feel that would fit the concept of the force.
along side is potentialy my platoon commander or 'truth sayer', a stormtrooper with an old classic CSM back pack (its not a million miles from the respirator packs on the FW militia torsoes, might have to see if I can get some more) what do you reckon folks to the idea of chaos stormtroopers?

Enjoy :) ... C&C and ideas welcome as always

Erestor
28-10-2006, 23:41
Nice tank conversion Old Guard. I would swear that the AT70 was wheeled? Need I re-read the books to get up to speed?

old guard
28-10-2006, 23:55
You may well be right but I recall mention of another model of tank, I might have to re-read it myself once I've finished the 'armour of contemp' it is after all my favourite of the GG books so always a good excuse.

Rictus
29-10-2006, 00:11
Oooh, like the tank. I like tanks, any chance of an **** end picture as well?

As for chaos stormtroopers i'm quite happy with the idea. Any organised military will eventually evolve an elite force even if it doesn't start with one. The Death Brigade Blood Pact squads from the WD article were stormtooper/elite forces equivalents from what I can remember.

Getz
29-10-2006, 01:12
Quite, so you'll still be able to field them whether you use the IG or LatD rules.

I like the tank. Very nice, and the Storm trooper is pretty cool to. It hadn't occured to be, but the Vac suited Stormtroopers with face masks will fit in alongside the FW militia perfectly...

old guard
29-10-2006, 08:29
Yeh I was quite chuffed with the idea, I've got quite a few and I was going to use them as Naval stormtroopers (I had a plan for a naval landing party with lightnings as heavy support aircraft ground crew as conscripts etc) but what I will probably do is use the chaps in masks, some of which are converted (head swaps, kneeling, running...) for the CDU (congregation for the doctrine of the unfaith).

Rictus, I will oblige, although its not that exciting, once my wife returns with my camera (youngest daughters ballet exam this morning)

I'm probably looking at a colour not too disimilar to the vostroryan armour with appropriate, eye scratchingly chaotic texts and runes on it.

I have an idea for a bassy too but that might be a long term project due to cost using the fantasy chaos gun on the bassy chassis (ah...poetry....well nearly) which should make for a rather nice deamon engine with probably one of the spare oggys as part of the crew/slaves.

Getz
29-10-2006, 10:27
Yeh I was quite chuffed with the idea, I've got quite a few and I was going to use them as Naval stormtroopers (I had a plan for a naval landing party with lightnings as heavy support aircraft ground crew as conscripts etc)

Funny you should say that, I built some Naval stormtroopers out of plastic scouts and Cadian bits not that long ago... I built them for a small "Space Hulk" army uning the LatD list - They're currently half painted and waiting for me to finish more important projects.

firestorm40k
29-10-2006, 10:49
so you'll still be able to field them whether you use the IG or LatD rules.

I think that's they way to go with Chaos Militia/Traitor Guard. When I eventually get around to doing them :D my Traitors will be part of a L&tD army, 'cause I love making gribbly mutants :evilgrin:

Excellent tank conversion, anyway, I hope you don't mind if I shamelessly steal it, Old Guard? ;) :p

old guard
29-10-2006, 15:12
Another quick update: more oggy work, stage 1 GS on the one with the sharp implement, and stage 1 GS on the chaos oggy bonehead, chainmail front and a rather large augmetic.

Also for Rictus: the back end of the tank, though as I said its not that exciting.

Firestorm: please feel free old bean.

Lavfluris
29-10-2006, 18:29
Another quick update: more oggy work, stage 1 GS on the one with the sharp implement, and stage 1 GS on the chaos oggy bonehead, chainmail front and a rather large augmetic.One small problem I see with the Oggies is the lack of differen leg poses.

Yes, the conversion work is brilliant, but is it not too late to add variation to how they are standing or advancing?

old guard
29-10-2006, 21:08
Not quite sure I'm that adventurous yet. We would be talking some fairly major surgery here. Mind you I do have 'spares so I may attempt a more dynamic 'moving ponderously towards the enemy but a bit faster' pose. MMM..... git! you've set me a challenge... I may well have to rise to it.

If anyone has done major ogre conversions I would welcome suggestions

Maus
29-10-2006, 22:01
Not quite sure I'm that adventurous yet. We would be talking some fairly major surgery here. Mind you I do have 'spares so I may attempt a more dynamic 'moving ponderously towards the enemy but a bit faster' pose. MMM..... git! you've set me a challenge... I may well have to rise to it.

If anyone has done major ogre conversions I would welcome suggestions
Well, there are plenty of ogre models other than the plastics, with more interesting poses. I'm sure you could do something interesting with them.

Lavfluris
29-10-2006, 22:54
you've set me a challenge... I may well have to rise to it.Good, it means we will see even better conversions now. ;)

Adlan
29-10-2006, 23:06
This looks really fantastic, but i have one nit pick, really sorry, but the chainmail greenstuff, the holes are spaced to wide, and to randomly, it don't look like chainmail.

Rictus
29-10-2006, 23:55
Another quick update: more oggy work, stage 1 GS on the one with the sharp implement, and stage 1 GS on the chaos oggy bonehead, chainmail front and a rather large augmetic.

Also for Rictus: the back end of the tank, though as I said its not that exciting.

Thanks, true but it is nice to get an all round view seeing how the parts went together.

I love the armour plates on the front of the right hand ogryn. Looks very effective.



I have an idea for a bassy too but that might be a long term project due to cost using the fantasy chaos gun on the bassy chassis (ah...poetry....well nearly) which should make for a rather nice deamon engine with probably one of the spare oggys as part of the crew/slaves.

Do you mean something along these lines:

old guard
30-10-2006, 08:37
MMMMM... shiny! yep that's what I have in mind.

Adlan: on the chain mail yeah I see what you mean, looks more obvious on the photo that on the real thing, my first attempt and needing to get it done in a hurry inbetween running in and out of the kitchen doing dinner is my excuse and I'm sticking to it! Oh well I'll have to give it another go after a quick re-read on some sculpting notes I have.

Thanks Guys

cpl_hicks
31-10-2006, 01:06
i dont know whos work it is but this basalisk (http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9093&d=1147127467), might be cheaper to reproduce

aka_mythos
31-10-2006, 02:08
I love that sexy Basilisk (the one using the hell cannon), exactly what I was thinking for mine. I can't wait to see more.

old guard
05-11-2006, 12:28
Small update. Sorry guys I've been away upt'north again and one of my daughters has been in hospital (nothing serious and she's back out now) so its been chaotic in the house of guard (get it....no?.. oh suit yourselves:eyebrows:) consequently very little done but the mind has been working over time.:evilgrin:

So a couple of photos of the AT70, as it is now to be refered to. Its not wheeled , as someone suggested I reread relevant parts of 'Honour guard' and I feel happier about the beast than I did before (Gaunts Ghosts book for some of you not familiar with it) I still think its the best of the GG books. if ever I do a tanith army (and I have dabbled in the past, I must show you all Major Rawne, based on the Sly Marbo figure at some point) it will be based on honour guard, tanith and verghast troops and none of the main characters killed off yet (and I know its silly, because its obvious that Abnett would have to do it but it hacks me off when he does).
I have added skulls to the hull and a book on the turret. I dont want to go OTT with the chaos 'feel' so skulls, the odd bit of chain, NO SPIKES!!!!! is the way I'm going.
You will recal that the officer figure I showed earlier (now to be referred to as truthsayer majoris) has the book in his hand, I have decided that this will be a common feature hence the book on the turret. Also a picture of what will be my tank commander once I put my order in to FW for the extra stuff I want.

So to the thought part. Well I have taken the chain mail off the last oggy, Adlan was right it looked **** (though he was kind enough not to put it in such terms) and I have replaced it with tank tracks. I am giving consideration to an oggy in a running stance ( I'll have to cut legs....scary!) with a fairly big hammer/axe thing 2 handed accross his chest (I'll abuse Lavfluris the next time I see him if it turns out to be a mare)
I'm toying with mortar ideas, I have 3 of the old metal ones and am thinking about putting wheels on them in some way. The other bit thought revolves around troop choices, I still like a slight variation on the FIREBASE (all hail... we're not worthy... we're not worthy) though I did consider the fagelants from the empire range...

Anyway must dash I'm cooking dinner at the moment and I need to nip out to the shops. End of the week before the next update heading back up north again...

all the best
Old Guard.

McMullet
05-11-2006, 13:28
Jolly nice work old chap. Please say we'll get to see this army painted though... :angel:

old guard
05-11-2006, 15:02
What are you implying dear boy, that I'm some sort of flighty person who flits from one project to another without finishing?:rolleyes:

Lavfluris
05-11-2006, 17:27
What are you implying dear boy, that I'm some sort of flighty person who flits from one project to another without finishing?:rolleyes:Yes, he is comparing you to me. ;)

McMullet
05-11-2006, 17:31
Oh, don't worry about that. You've not yet fallen so low as Lavfluris. :p

old guard
05-11-2006, 18:42
In that case all is well with the world

elotsip
05-11-2006, 20:16
I love the army so far. I also have a chaos milita force in the works. Waiting on my new arms before I start builind though...

old guard
05-11-2006, 22:21
Too damned impatient for that! I had to start as soon as I got them, they've taken over a bit, other than those odd few imperial oggys at the start of this thread its been chaos all the way. Worrying really... I may need some imperial rehab at this rate.

OK another brief update (2 in one day !! GO Guard) this is a matter of honor!! Still smarting from the glove accross the face from Mc Mullet (but also because I wanted to try the paint scheme out.... but Ssshhhh.... lets not mention that;) ) I HAVE started painting the army in the form of Truthsayer Majoris Ylreth urging the unfaithful to purge the field of battle of the followers of the corpse god.:evilgrin:

Still needs a bit of tweaking which, as usual, I only noticed once I'd taken the photo, the respirator lens needs a drop of varnish, the teeth of the chainsword need some attention and I might need a final highlight on the uniform itself. But you get the idea.

Ok another big lull as I head off for the bulk of the week, but hopefully the weekend will be more productive (If I dont sucumb to the Dark Crusade)

elotsip
07-11-2006, 01:17
Very nice, the old storm troopers actually look very fitting for a chaos militia army. I might have to try to dig some of those up!

Are planning to have spawn? What list are you builind your army for? I'm hoping the FW book has a good list and some nice new additions.

Erestor
07-11-2006, 10:33
Nice work progressing on this Old Guard.

ben8s8
07-11-2006, 11:46
I like this work old guard, it has a good sense of character.
PS - where did you get the skulls on the tank from?

old guard
12-11-2006, 18:54
Quick update: Saturday night is painting night, since my living room is overwhelmed by the recruit noise marines from (shudders as he writes it) X factor!!:eek: !!. Not for I the wailling of the Mc Donald (we are vengeance for the execution of Wallace and the persecution of Longshanks) brothers. So an evening of painting to the dulcet tones of Russel Crowe fighting the napoleonic navy on the high seas playing on my laptop, whilst also keeping an eye on our beloved forum (who says blokes can't multitask).

And this is what we have, still WIP (cos I've spotted mould lines:mad: ) and lots of detail still to be added. Have had great fun looking up latin proverbs and sayings on wikipedia with such gems as 'caediteos novit enim dominus qui sunt eios' or, for those of you that don't, 'kill them all and let god sort them out', it is allegidely a rather acient quote. Or if you prefer'cave ab homine unius libri' beware the man of one book (That would be GS Goto but unfortunately he has written more than one).

the AT70 sports a num of these quates roughly daubed onto the hull. 'Deos vult'-Gods will (rather appropriate I thought) Servo infidem- I keep the unfaith and others.

Probably next weekend again before I can do more (another pig of a week) so until then Enjoy (I hope)

Later

PS, forgive my rudeness, the skulls have come from a number of sources, ogre, chaos accessory and spiky sprues

Rictus
12-11-2006, 20:45
Me likey. Both conversion wise and the paint job. Without screaming chaos it still fits happily into a traitor force (did that make sense?). How are the skulls held on? With mine I showed them pinned to the vehicle, these look like they are just sitting on the vehicle in which case they would just fall off the first time the weapon fired.

I admit, partly down to you, I am thinking of dismissing my plan of waiting till IA5 comes out and take advantage of the free postage and order some militia bits.

old guard
12-11-2006, 22:51
Chaos superglue of course! besides if they do fall off there's plenty more to replace them, just a bit messy collecting them. I'm about to spend more myself (dont tell she who must be obeyed) at least 2 more sets of torsoes and one each of the arms and accessories I also have high hopes for more releases mmm....heavy weapons!

Rictus
12-11-2006, 23:13
Ah, chaos superglue - extracted from a Great Unclean Ones bile gland I suppose?

I am also looking forward to what will follow (both from you and FW). I am putting off ordering anything till the last day of the postal offer to give FW as much time as possible to get any other goodies out (I want those berserkers from the concept art I saw at GD).

Getz
13-11-2006, 00:02
Ah, chaos superglue - extracted from a Great Unclean Ones bile gland I suppose?

No, merely bought from GW. I can never tell if my superglue will stick from one minute to the next...

The very essence of chaos...

Easy E
13-11-2006, 07:36
Looking good Old Guard. I like your grafitti (sp) on the side of the tank. It's amazing how hard it is to make that look realistic, quite counter-intuitive. The chimera/Leman hybrid makes the model look unique but still based on STC designs. The skulls are also a nice touch.

Perhaps you should post this fine specimen in the Tredhead thread? Oh look, here's a link: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14209&highlight=treadhead

In addition, I think it's time this got bussed over to the project logs, it is definitely moving along nicely.

Still learning
13-11-2006, 08:09
Quick update: Saturday night is painting night, since my living room is overwhelmed by the recruit noise marines from (shudders as he writes it) X factor!!:eek: !!. Not for I the wailling of the Mc Donald (we are vengeance for the execution of Wallace and the persecution of Longshanks) brothers. So an evening of painting to the dulcet tones of Russel Crowe fighting the napoleonic navy on the high seas playing on my laptop, whilst also keeping an eye on our beloved forum (who says blokes can't multitask).


I'm confused, did you say your a McDonald??

McMullet
13-11-2006, 10:42
Class! You could look at it and think it was a guard tank, it needs a double take to realise it's chaos. Very subtle, the slow realisation...

old guard
13-11-2006, 23:15
I'm confused, did you say your a McDonald??


I used to like you until that comment!;) . HELL NO! I was just going on one of my increasingly frequent grumpy old man rants :mad: brought on in this case by having to suffer the evil grins and noises from those 2 talentles OSB's. Am I a Mc Donald? the only Mc Donald in me comes in a bun and is bad for my health (which is kind of ironic because the way those lads sing makes me ill as well)

Thank you all for your comments (except you still learning, your right of my christmas card list:p )

Easy E I think you could be right.therefore.... (this better work...)

Oh mighty moderators (were not worthy.....) In thy wisdom, the time has come for this lowly thread to journey forth from the abyss that is the last page of M,P&T to the salvation of project logs (am I overdoing this...? probably shouldn't have had that second drink) therefore if my words reach thee oh thee mighty....do us a favour and shift it over.

Ta

Old guard

notdakuningist
14-11-2006, 03:02
Great looking troops and vehicle, I'm definately nicking that idea for the tank.:-p

Erestor
14-11-2006, 10:45
Damn, now this thread will get lost on page elevety eight of the ever expanding project logs forum.

I am nicking the idea of quotes in Latin on the sides of chaos tanks, written in blood. That is a bit too cool. Thanks Old Guard.

I like the motto of an old Regiment of mine, "Tenax in Fide", Tenacious in Faith. Quite the Imperial quote I think. I also like "Ich Dien", or I serve for the chaos.

old guard
18-11-2006, 11:48
OK then we're still 'here' (just how does one transfer these things accross?:eyebrows: ) and after a week of commuting from Southampton to Birmingham daily, little (oh lets face it nothing) has been done. However I find myself with a dilemna which you guys might be able to help me with.
let's set the scene:
1- I have no clue what I want for Christmas ( with the exception of a fold away portable soft lighting studio for taking photoes of figures an vehicles and an absolute bargain at 12.99 from my local maplins store)
2- Forgeworld have put temptation (just for a change then) in my way in the shape of the beautiful heavy mortars and the centaur.

Some of you may recall that a few months back I put together a battery of MLRS/nebelwerfers (apologies to our German readers) for my ever expanding (at the rate of a snail on valium) IG battlegroup.
Now, given factors 1&2 above, I am considering letting the MLRS go the way of chaos and provide 78 (fortress) battlegroup with a trio of heavy mortars and a centaur (the other 2 would be towed by my own 'litte tank' (commanded by lieutenant Gruber no less) produced before FW created the centaur, which I would use as the command vehicle.
So what do you think? do I allow the MLRS to be tainted or, do I keep them loyal and have the option of the heavy mortars as well or, do I give the heavy mortars to chaos or,......oh I don't know that's why I'm asking you.!!

t-tauri
18-11-2006, 12:12
Use them for either side. I'm sure there'll be captured ordnance or equipment common to both sides. All you have to do is change the crew figures over and you can use the same guns for Krieg and Chaos.

Evilhomer
18-11-2006, 13:42
I'd go for it if I were you.
I sent my significant other the death korps url, and told her anything from there would suffice ;). Means I get surprised in a good way, no matter what!

Getz
18-11-2006, 14:55
OK then we're still 'here' (just how does one transfer these things accross?:eyebrows: ) and after a week of commuting from Southampton to Birmingham daily, little (oh lets face it nothing) has been done. However I find myself with a dilemna which you guys might be able to help me with.
let's set the scene:
1- I have no clue what I want for Christmas ( with the exception of a fold away portable soft lighting studio for taking photoes of figures an vehicles and an absolute bargain at £12.99 from my local maplins store)
2- Forgeworld have put temptation (just for a change then) in my way in the shape of the beautiful heavy mortars and the centaur.

Some of you may recall that a few months back I put together a battery of MLRS/nebelwerfers (apologies to our German readers) for my ever expanding (at the rate of a snail on valium) IG battlegroup.
Now, given factors 1&2 above, I am considering letting the MLRS go the way of chaos and provide 78 (fortress) battlegroup with a trio of heavy mortars and a centaur (the other 2 would be towed by my own 'litte tank' (commanded by lieutenant Gruber no less) produced before FW created the centaur, which I would use as the command vehicle.
So what do you think? do I allow the MLRS to be tainted or, do I keep them loyal and have the option of the heavy mortars as well or, do I give the heavy mortars to chaos or,......oh I don't know that's why I'm asking you.!!

Hey! Isn't it cool we've got some (semi) official rules for our Artillery...

I would keep the MRLSs Guard myself as I'm still thinking in terms of LatD armies - but the fact that they're based on Havoc Missile Launchers does mean they've got a suitably "Chaosy" look...

Personally I think you should build a new battery for your Chaos guys...

I guess you'll also need to give your little Bren Carrier thing a Heavy Stubber too...

StormWindAutarch
18-11-2006, 15:01
The Ogryne looks like the guys from the new game BioShock

old guard
18-11-2006, 17:15
I'm still debating this one, I have considered the various proposals here but I'm leaning towards MLRS= chaos I had after all taken the view that despite the rules that were devised right here on the forum (Getz was it you?) that I would use them as a mortar option however I do already have some mortars (yes....built be not painted:eyebrows: ).
I have to admit that I have this image of the chaos chappies all masked up as they load the MLRS with ...oh suit you sir! chemical or biological shells (anybody have any thoughts on rules for that?).

So it's looking like 3 HVY mortars and a centaur for Crimbo at the moment unless anything else shiny turns up at forgeworld that takes my fancy!


Just noticed as I finished typing this that we are now in project logs:D
thanks T-tauri you are a gentleman sir.

Getz
18-11-2006, 17:55
Getz was it you?...

Guilty as charged I'm afraid

Voronwe[MQ]
18-11-2006, 23:17
Ever since I started the financial drain (that's what she who must be obeyed calls it) that is 40k.

The more women there are about, the softer a wise man steps...

old guard
18-11-2006, 23:52
;1083922']The more women there are about, the softer a wise man steps...

You sir are wise beyond your years.

Erestor
19-11-2006, 11:08
MLRS for chaos, new toys for Guard, (both of them..)

Voronwe[MQ]
19-11-2006, 16:09
You sir are wise beyond your years.

That is the way of managing to take at least as many things with a laugh as you did as a youngster and avoiding to look restrictively pessimistically on things and instead see the highlights or that this was not too bad.

old guard
19-11-2006, 18:06
Not much to report at the moment a bit more work done on the oggys just a bit of GS and on some of the bases. I intend to do a bit of paintwork on the AT70 tonight as well as the 2 heavy weapons.

I have been giving further thought to this chemical/biological weapon deal I mentioned earlier and have been toying around with rules ideas, but its not really my thing since I build and paint far more than I game, despite the best efforts of Mc Mullet and Lavfluris who have been trying to get me into that side of all this, so if anyone wants to grab this idea (if it doesnt already exist) accross to the rules section and develop it further, please be my guest.:) Sorry mods we are going a little off track here.

Now for those of you who are not familliar with the general concept of chemical warfare I'll keep it simple: putting asside the different types of chemicals and how they affect the body, from a game point of view, I think that persistant(P) and non persistant (NP) chemicals is all we need to worry about. Chemicals can be used as an offensive and defensive weapon and often as a means of denying ground.
P chemicals are just thickened versions of NP chemicals and will stay at their point of delivery emitting toxic vapours for a prolongued period of time.
Both P&NP are affected by the weather but again for simplicity's sake we need only consider wind (yes I know that for some of you wind itself could be considered chemical warfare but that's not what we are talking about here;) ).
For NP wind is bad news as it will dissipate the chemical rather quickly, for P however it can work to our advantage if it is dropped in the right place, as it will affect a larger downwind area (imagine a delivery to the right hand side of your enemy position with the wind blowing from right to left the area of the delivery is totally unable to be occupied and the downwind hazard extends accross the front of the enemy lines, consequently any move through this will inflict casualties if they are not protected)
the already available templates can be used:
small template NP delivery -no wind and lasts one turn.
large template P (represents area of delivery and following vapour expansion)-no wind.
Flamer template downwind hazard from delivery point.
The direction/whether there is any wind, could be determined by the scatter dice. Of course the chemical could come back towards your lines.
Persistancy could be determined by a standard D6 the figure indicating how many turns the chemical lasts.
Wind speed could also use a D6 ie a roll of 1, the donwind hazard moves the length of one flamer template.... Depending on the delivery point a wind (6) could blow the hazard right off the table.
In addition having decide on a game with chemical use we would need to consider troop protection:
Roll for chemical protection. Whether the figures are modelled with or without re-breathers their ability to operate in a chem/bio environment needs to be determined. The result adds to their toughness value (only in face of chem/bio attack)
1-2 limited protection/badly trained
3-4 standard protection/trained- +2 protection
5-6 optimum protection/chem. Specialists. + 4 protection

Marines, chaos marines are assumed to be specialist (or they actually like it) Necrons equally are better protected however the corrosive nature of the chemicals may have an effect.
Everyone else gets to hope the quartermaster did his job properly and ordered enough NBC suits and respirator filters and that the drill sergeants were nasty b*****ds (but effective in their training goals)

So that's my initial thoughts. Havent got a clue whether its feasible and I may be talking a load of ****, but what do you reckon? does the idea have merit or has Old Guard finally lost the plot? (and no we are not going to have a poll on that!:eyebrows:

noneedforaname
19-11-2006, 18:11
old guard this is off topic but i have bridge to far on and im wondering what the armoured car that michael caine drives around is. Im thinking about using this as a base for ork buggies and you seem to be the chap in the know.

old guard
19-11-2006, 18:21
that puppy was daimler MkII scout car that you can still get one from Tamiya in 1:35th scale see below.

hope that helps

noneedforaname
19-11-2006, 18:25
marvellous thanks alot thats a big help

old guard
26-11-2006, 16:00
UPDATE!:D HUZZAH

Bit more progress the heavy weapons for the 2 squads. Sorry the pictures aren't brilliant (did them in a bit of a hurry) I'll do some better ones once I have the squads painted, but you get the idea.

I've ordered the FW christmas prezzie and other bits: 2 more sets of torsoes and one each of the extra arms and equipment sets along with 3 heavy mortars and a centaur (imperial).

I have decided the MLRS are going chaos so I will need to defoliate them and readjust the paint job.

ps. the other things comment will be IG and DA both of which are taking a bit of \ rest at the moment

I need some more stormtroopers and damn me if they haven't been withdrawn from the stores so i'll have to put an order in in the new year.

so thats it for now hopefully some more later in the week

Voronwe[MQ]
26-11-2006, 16:24
Excellent work. I like the overall look of the heavy weapons teams.

McMullet
26-11-2006, 18:02
I like the muddy look on everything. Very nice!

TCUTTER
26-11-2006, 19:22
even though your going for a muddy effect, i cant help but feel sand would improve the base no end, mix some up with pva and water so its kind of like soup and slap it on a base your not using, you'll soon see what i mean.

other than that nice looking army i just think that the base is very much an important part

t-tauri
26-11-2006, 19:31
I'd say the smooth featureless brown running over half buried things perfectly captures the sloppy mud of trench warfare. I like the bases. I'll also be stealing the graffitti styled unit markings daubed on when I do mine.

old guard
26-11-2006, 19:55
Thank you all, just started on the next batch including one of the chaos oggies, as regards the bases, yes I'm going for a little WWI feel but I have been a bit lazy and I need to put more GS on them. as ever it's only when I take the pictures that I notice odd problems, like the white backing foam to the dead grass poking through and such like...

Mud glorious mud nothing quite like for...chilling the blood.......

Lavfluris
26-11-2006, 20:03
Nice progress, I'm sure I'll be seeing them for myself over the coming months, if not at Carnage Poole 02. ;)

Deadleyheadley
26-11-2006, 20:06
They look good,very good ,Love the bases :D

BodhiTree
26-11-2006, 20:13
Your weathering is superb. :) Good job! The thing I love about your Guard is that where loyalists look like disposable heroes, yours look like expendable henchmen - if you know what I mean.

Voronwe[MQ]
26-11-2006, 20:20
As t-tauri and BodhiTree have stated, the wearing and dusting and mudding etc is superior.

asmodai_dark86
26-11-2006, 22:34
Rather then distinguishing between marine and other, how about saying they come equiped to fight the releveant foe with the shell that'll have the most effect (If I remember rightly, Eldar have sealed suits since 3rd edition - at least they look sealed to me, and Tyranids would be fairly hardy to the effects especially the bigger kinds, so really only Orks and some humans would be effected and thats pants).

That also means there an option against Space marines who would usually laugh in the face of chemicals ('Brother Barry, its a Gas cloud, run away!').

Otherwise its all looking good

Rictus
26-11-2006, 23:44
One fo the threads it is always nice to see an update. Really like the HW teams. Bases are lovely as well.

I think I have gone passed the question 'do I buy some FW traitors?' to 'how many FW traitors shall I buy?'. After seeing some of them painted up like this I can't not get some of them before Xmas (free shipping...nice)

Still learning
27-11-2006, 05:45
I used to like you until that comment!;) . HELL NO! I was just going on one of my increasingly frequent grumpy old man rants :mad: brought on in this case by having to suffer the evil grins and noises from those 2 talentles OSB's. Am I a Mc Donald? the only Mc Donald in me comes in a bun and is bad for my health (which is kind of ironic because the way those lads sing makes me ill as well)

Thank you all for your comments (except you still learning, your right of my christmas card list:p )

Easy E I think you could be right.therefore.... (this better work...)

Oh mighty moderators (were not worthy.....) In thy wisdom, the time has come for this lowly thread to journey forth from the abyss that is the last page of M,P&T to the salvation of project logs (am I overdoing this...? probably shouldn't have had that second drink) therefore if my words reach thee oh thee mighty....do us a favour and shift it over.

Ta

Old guard

i love you too old guard, ;)

nice army btw, really starting get the picture in my head

old guard
01-12-2006, 20:51
OH YE! OOOOH YEAH! MORE CHAOS GOODNESS ON THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!:evilgrin:

It's arrived...............and I wasn't here to greet it! So my nice shiny new chaos militia bits will have to wait until tomorrow in the post office:cries:

I have however recovered a rather manky chimera which will require a litle TLC and will provide an Armoured fist squad. Therefore with the bits I have I will achive the basics HQ 2 troop choices and a little more besides.

there has been some painting underway but very little. It's month end and I still have my expenses and mileage to complete as well as a backlog of paperwork. So... why am I talking to you!?!?!?

Later folks

old guard
02-12-2006, 23:11
So! After the exitement of 'the FW parcel is in the post office' a bit of an anti-climax. The torsoes were in the box but not the accessories and the centaur! 'out of stock, to follow':mad: The mortars however were there and despite theyr being my crimbo present I had to have a peak (they were in the same box I had no choice!!!), Baaad Santa! speaking of which, I couldn't be arsed to put a christmas hat on my avatar so I thought I would go all the way!Normal service will resume in the new year.

Anyhoo, somewhat disapointed and not wanting to start on a new squad without the accessories, I reached for that Clunker of a chimera I mentioned, that 'the boy' (or as I shall refer to him here Young guard.....god help us) had chewed up worse than I remembered.
And so after an evening of avoiding the X-factor once more (the Mc donald brothers are gone:evilgrin: THRICE HUZZAH, the ghost of Longshanks can now rest easy and stopp repeatedly voting for all the other non Scottish contestants) I give you the Urdeshi pattern AS52 (made that bit up) a lower spec copy of the chimera chassis. This example was recovered from a guard unit and forced into the service of the Congregation for the doctrine of the unfaith. The same cannot be said of the crew who were also forced... into a very small space with something very nasty and hungry!

There is still much to be done. GS work to sort out a few dodgy joints and to sufficiently chaos up the vehicle commander to fit in with his brethren. He will have the obligatory book, 'have you heard the bad news...?' in his left hand, and once I've trawled through the bits box I will probably add some general boxes and bits onto the vehicle to give it that more used feel. There will be more graffiti like on the AT70.

I am hoping, before new year, to have my HQ and 2 troop choices in place. before progressing further, using the Oggies and MLRS mortars to provide a bit of variety.

C&C as ever welcomed...as is money and beer.

scrubout
02-12-2006, 23:28
You make me smile.

Good stuff. Young Guard, interesting, let's hope he lives up to his namesake! We could use more Guard players like yourself, even if you are becoming a little corrupt...

-peace out
scrubout:skull:

old guard
24-12-2006, 00:07
PAGE 8!?!? :wtf:

Hello all! I'm back and I'm off work for Christmas!:D YAAAAYYYY!!!!!! Huzzah full fanfare and fireworks(PAGE 8!?!?). December has been a pig of a month, not helped by one of my colleagues falling down the stairs, fritzing his cruciate ligament and resulting in me having to pick up a substantial amount of his workload. As you can imagine, in my dictionary, sympathy lies firmly between s**t and Syphillis.(a safety consultant falling down the stairs....for shame!!)
So this has put me considerably behind, though to be fair FW having been out of stock of the itemsIi ordered didn't help and they had to send me it all in 4 parcels all free of a postal charge:evilgrin: !!!
Anyway just a little teaser tonight, I 'll put up a few more tomorrow all being well.
I therefore give you the complete AS52 seen in its WIP stage in my last post and a few troops that I have virtually completed including the first of the oggies.(PAGE 8!?!? shakes head in despair)

While I think about it I have a Russ upper hull that is just positively crying STEG 4 to me. Does anyone know what the armament package for one of those is?

Rictus
24-12-2006, 00:14
a safety consultant falling down the stairs....for shame!!
Brilliant.

Nice to have you back at the grindstone...The models are looking lovely and it's really nice to see one of the Ogryns make an apearance again. Looking forward to more pictures tomorrow (come on, we deserve a xmas present).

(Funnily enough the first of my FW orders this xmas also turned up in four packages - Kreig and traitors seems to of been really, really popular....)

Easy E
24-12-2006, 07:25
Your AS52 is subtle yet effective. It is clearly a basic version of a chimera put out by a less technologically advanced force, just as it should be.

firestorm40k
24-12-2006, 15:15
This army is looking really good Old Guard, very inspiring! :cool:

old guard
24-12-2006, 19:23
A merry Christmas to all my readers. Are you excited yet?.... peaked under the tree?... Well as ever no rest for the wicked, (I must of been a real b*****d in a past life) dad's taxi is on standby, the boy is going skating with his girlfriend...ON Christmas EVE!!!!!!:mad: so no drinky for me....Curses! Raoul my mexican bar tender is here chilling my bottles of Corona, sharpening his knife to expertly slice that lime... and I have to drive. HUMBUG!!!!!!

Well I promised some more pictures so here they are (maybe a little too clear for my liking, you can see the mistakes ......Blast!!)
I might have to do this in 2 hits so we'll start with the troops.

Merry christmas! and get off the computer your supposed to be enjoying yourselves... Eat, drink, be merry for tomorrow........... you have to clear it up.

RAAAOOOOUUUULLLL!.......CERVESA!

t-tauri
24-12-2006, 21:47
Looking good. How about a few more pictures of the armour especially the fronts of the crew? Mas cervezas, Raoul.

Still learning
24-12-2006, 22:21
i really like the pale green of the units, it suits the traiors v well and also goes with the yellow.

Merry Christmas

old guard
24-12-2006, 22:37
Ola
Senor Senior Guard is indisposed at the moment, he go get senor junior guard and has had one cervesa and has lost control of his ability to type. Gringo can't take his drink. so I standing in for him while he sings badly along to wizard!?! and stumbles over in the dark with a santa suit on delivering around the house. Senora guard call him pendero jerkoff and lock him outside. This will all end in tears.

so here are some more pictures of the tanks of senor senior guard

Senor senior guard wishes you all a merry Christmas and asks could someone pass him a blanket as it is cold outside.

old guard
31-12-2006, 20:15
Evenin' all. and HAPPY NEW YEAR in advance since at the appropriate time you should all have drinks in your hands and be attempting the record for the fewest people logged in.

Quick update no weher near as much as I would have liked but...such is life.
Raoul has been sacked and will hopefully not re-appear (Sorry about that, lost the plot for a while:angel: Reported him as an illegal!):D

So tonight for your viewing pleasure accompanied by Jacquline Dupre playing elgar ( well... I can hear it ..you guys will just have to imagine) first of all one of my crimbo pressies which at 13 I think is an absolute bargain!, certainly saves faffing around trying to make one, it all folds away so I can keep 'she who must be obeyed' happy by maintaining a level of tidiness in the study.

Next still WIP is squad 3's heavy weapon, followed by the HQ personnel seen here with Truthsayer Senioris Yrelth. A little focus on the standard bearer (ogre banner in case you are wondering).
finally the components available for the construction of a Steg 4, I think the predator turret is the order of the day but I am still debating 6 or 8 wheels.

Anyhoo enjoy, have a great night, I'm off to watch Ice age 2 with the kids (Cos I'm a party animal me :eyebrows: )

MrInsomniac
31-12-2006, 21:27
Looking grand Old Guard. Love the tanks and the heavy weapons team looks great.

Have a good new year.

old guard
01-01-2007, 17:48
Quick update, since this has been a productive day, despite attempts by she who must be obeyed to get me to take the outside cristmas lights down. One quick rain dance later problem solved!:D

So here she be the Steg 4, I've also shown some of this on the tread head thread but here are the latest photoes taken just a couple of minutes ago while I sort out dinner (turkey pie in the shape of an enormous pie!?!:eyebrows: )

lots of detail and a substantial amount of GS work to do since this beast is really trawling the depths of my bits box.

Mephistofeles
01-01-2007, 17:50
That's one DAMN COOL tank! Applauds to you my old guard!

Hawkmoon
13-01-2007, 09:05
Cool beans! That Steg-4 is looking good! That was a great Idea to turn the Leman Russ Chasis around. It gives a much more angular look. And Angular means bad-assed armoured vehicle. Just look at any WW II era german tank. I can't wait to see it completed.

BTW- I hope Raoul serves beer better than he's posts on Warseer. :p

old guard
13-01-2007, 09:35
Stunned and shocked! I just glance through the site with my first cup of tea of the day to find that some kind soul (and a Michael Moorcock reader as well by the looks of it) as dragged my little old thread to the front page! Bless you sir.

There has been progress, and I hope to be able to show more this weekend, I've statrted painting it (its going like the AS52/chimera) so with any luck....

Fear not Raoul has been sacked and reported to immigration and will not be returning.

later people!

Voronwe[MQ]
13-01-2007, 11:56
I must say that the standard bearer is probably the best Guard one I've yet ever seen. I haven't thought about using the hanging ogre banner like that before. Hm...

Voronwe

Rictus
13-01-2007, 12:36
Stunned and shocked! I just glance through the site with my first cup of tea of the day to find that some kind soul (and a Michael Moorcock reader as well by the looks of it) as dragged my little old thread to the front page! Bless you sir.

There has been progress, and I hope to be able to show more this weekend, I've statrted painting it (its going like the AS52/chimera) so with any luck....

Fear not Raoul has been sacked and reported to immigration and will not be returning.

later people!

And page one is where it deserves to be! Both the infantry and vehicles look great, fulfilling the early promise of the test pieces. Looking forward to seeing the next update.

I kinda miss Raoul though.

doghouse
13-01-2007, 16:28
Really nice army you got going there amte and it's great to see it's chaos guard as well! :)
Love the Tank, very cool!

Getz
13-01-2007, 17:03
I'm still debating this one, I have considered the various proposals here but I'm leaning towards MLRS= chaos I had after all taken the view that despite the rules that were devised right here on the forum (Getz was it you?) that I would use them as a mortar option however I do already have some mortars (yes....built be not painted:eyebrows: ).
I have to admit that I have this image of the chaos chappies all masked up as they load the MLRS with ...oh suit you sir! chemical or biological shells (anybody have any thoughts on rules for that?).

So it's looking like 3 HVY mortars and a centaur for Crimbo at the moment unless anything else shiny turns up at forgeworld that takes my fancy!


Okay, this was discussed a while back, but since the Quad launcher rules came out, how about your MLRS systems counting as Thudd Guns?

It certainly fits the whole "lots of smaller bangs" thing, and the stats for thudd guns are actually pretty strong...

old guard
13-01-2007, 17:50
Now that is a pretty sweet idea! never thought of that. I'll have a look at the rules download. I still like my chemical idea though (sorry... but it used to be my Thang when I was in green) and I must look into it further.

Now ... the thudd has a three man crew correct? which gives me the ability to have my arty commander and sighting gizmo and the rest as gunners loaders and the useless git (every unit has one) whose sole responsibility is making the tea.....theres a thought! do chaos militia drink tea do you think? or would theyr drink of choice be super strength red bull with extra sugar.

Getz
13-01-2007, 18:09
Red Bull of course...

Well, they are Chaos... It's the Guard that drink tea.

Incidentally, the Thudd gun rules give you a gun and three crew for a set number of points, but you can buy up to two additional crewmen per gun, and the guns can be deployed separately...

old guard
13-01-2007, 21:29
Ok

very quick 'teaser' update on the STEG, more is going to be done tonight and as I type the first of a number of ink washes is drying. I make no apology for it looking **** at the moment since it always does at this stage, but it gives you a bit of an idea.

You might just be able to see the standard in the background sporting its 'whoops.... looks like an upside down vatican city flag', look. Exactly as planned. the ogre banner as a good ripped and worn feel to it which I thought appropriate.

As ever (and I know I don't say it enough) thanks for the comments they certainly do help nudge me along to do a bit more and complete more of the project.

More later this weekend....if I dont electrocute myself putting up the new lights in the dining room for she who must be obeyed!

Voronwe[MQ]
13-01-2007, 21:32
That armoured car is excellent. It looks like a recon vehicle that could have been used in any modern army. Well done, and don't electrocute yourself!

Voronwe

firestorm40k
14-01-2007, 15:53
Bloody good show on the STEG, Old Guard! :cool: That's a fantastic conversion, well done! :)

Voronwe[MQ]
14-01-2007, 15:54
Come on folks! Don't just drool over the STEG chaps - comment!

Voronwe

old guard
15-01-2007, 07:23
Sorry about the delay I was going to post these last night but it looked like the site had fallen over and I wanted to get to bed, I've payed for it though as I was woken up at about 4 this moning with my shoulder hurting like a B*****d.
But enough of my woes...
Gentlemen....Ladiiiiieeeeessss. the House of guard is proud to present fresh of the production line (and corrupted along the way) the STEG4 from the chaotic forges of Urdesh. This is another example of a vehicle captured from imperial forces and pressed kicking and screaming into chaotic service.

Enjoy (I hope)

Voronwe[MQ]
15-01-2007, 07:43
There is a very good and realistic vehicle. How about a picture later on of it along with your militia at the side, smiling at the cameras (well, as far as they are able to: but you'll have to give it a try, chaps! - agitator) making 'V'-horns behind each other heads and looking generally mean as devils.
Well, or at least with them posed beside it, just for a comparison to see how well the chaotic paintings on it fits in with the rest of the force.

As on the tea note; I'm pretty sure that they (or at least your Chaos Militia) drinks tea. It might be bitter or full of blood, but likewise tea.

Voronwe

cookiescrumble
15-01-2007, 09:59
Very nice conversion and paint job, any chance of some shots of the flamer guy in the first pic?

old guard
15-01-2007, 17:24
Thank you both. yep I'll see what I can do on the piccie front.
Cookies I must confess I got thinking about the flamer chappy after that brief exchance we had on your thread and this was the result, how are you getting on with your militia by the way?

cookiescrumble
15-01-2007, 17:31
I'm going to order the stuff i need from FW this week, i should get it early next week. After this it is full steam ahead with them. Progress will be a little slow at first as i have my exams coming up in the next couple of weeks.

Light of the Emperor
15-01-2007, 17:40
Excellent work. The Imperial in me wants to declare this thread excommunicate tratoris, but the conversions are too good!

old guard
15-01-2007, 17:56
If it makes you feel better i probably will do a 'loyal one at some point when I end up with another hull spare

Cookies! why aren't you revising? go on, get off the computer and get on with it!

old guard
15-01-2007, 19:23
As promised a few (very quickly thrown together) pictures.

The whole lot: nearly all that there currently is, bar about a squads worth. I need to have a word with one of the guys at my local GW who has some spare cadian legs left over from his Skitarii (there you go Paul you've got a mention:) )

couple of closer shots: the finished and the not finished.

and for cookiescrumble a front and back of squad 3's flamer chap.

Still havent put any sort of a list together, just enjoying the work.:D

cookiescrumble
15-01-2007, 19:41
Thanks alot for the pics of the flamer guy.

McMullet
16-01-2007, 10:49
Why, Mr. Old Guard, that's looking like a quite a substantial force you have there. I eagerly await further updates!

By the by, any idea how many points you have so far?

old guard
16-01-2007, 22:46
Mc dear chap, long time no speak!
Yes it is looking reasonable, I have enough for 2 troop choices if I put the stormtroopers as an armoured fist and the armour etc..., but I really want another platoon. Not quite sure how many points, probably between 500 and 1K in a 'useable' format (at a guess). So there not quite ready to do their Thang, but hopefully soon. I haven't succumbed (too much ) to shiny syndrome and have approached this in a reasonably sensible way. This could be a first for me! A coherent 'completed' (theyr never finished! you can always do more, roll on apocalypse chaos baneblade fnar fnar!) force.
Temptation is coming though, penny's being saved for DA army deal mmmmmmmm... and my loyal guard is calling out to me. The chaos is proving to be a useful experience though in control my building approach so it may help with the rest.

All the best mate

old guard
20-01-2007, 17:49
This weekend I will be mostly recovering another wreck and turning it to good use with the militia.

This is part of 'buffy', the first sentinel I ever built and was originaly in my IG with its colleague 'spike'. It has over a period of time been chopped and changed and has been languishing in my bits box for quite some while.
I decided that I needed some fast attack/HQ attachments for the boys having started to look at what I had (army list wise) prompted by McMullets question. So thats what I will produce.
Also on the 'slab' you will note a Vostrorian officer (the one with the full respirator) who will be locked into a room full of demons and turned to the darkside to become one of my officers (haven't decided whether he will be a platoon officer or might end up as the force commander)
Finally heavy weapons, applying the addage 'never throw anything away' the autocannon uses the exhaust from the sentinel as the barrel . My original idea was to use the big shoota from the Ork dreadnaught however a little inspiration and I came up with this. It will need a little extra something though I'm not quite sure what yet. The tank accessory missile will end up like the last picture for a bit of anti tank punch. I MUST EMPHASISE that the picture is NOT MY WORK it is that of Fitmanb whose work can be seen over on the work in progress site.http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=5218
This guy is an absolute genius as far as conversions are concerned, his current project, based on one of the old German railway guns has to be seen to be believed, it has to be a good 3 to 4 feet long. Proof if ever there was, that the step between genius and madness is all too small.

So thats me for the weekend along with some more painting to be done. The telly's probably the normal c**p tonight and my eldest daughter has 2 of her friends over for a birthday sleep over so there is another excuse to lock myself away from the chaos (ironic really:D ) and hopefully make some decent progress.

Later folks

Easy E
21-01-2007, 07:22
I look forward to seeing your take on the missile launcher. That is a cracking idea.

Still learning
21-01-2007, 07:49
good old fitman B, that guy is insane. His Dora is beyond belief.

old guard
21-01-2007, 12:35
Its some of his more simple ideas that I like the best, things like the halftrack using the front of a landspeeder,the chimera landing craft, that dora though is sheer madness. I can't imagine how much that thing costs let alone how long it will take he's been at for months now.

I'm probably not going to deviate from the missile launcher too much (all hail Fitmanb) but will probably not mount the crew on the base with it, think along the lines of the AT2 Sagger or the 'portable' version of the Swingfire missile (for those of you (UK) who can remember that). The crew remote of the missile peering over the hill from cover at the target, since being in close proximity to something bright and smokey on the battlefield normally ensured that, unless your built like Arnold and can run like Linford Christie, you weren't going to last very long.

old guard
21-01-2007, 22:06
AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH! she who must be obeyed is watching Grease 2!!?!?:wtf:.
So yet again I find myself banished to the study:D only a quick update unfortunately. Don't know where this weekend went. So here's the sentinel assembled, again the general theme keeps away from pointy bits and strays towards 'built on a different forgeworld', we'll stick with Urdesh. As you can see there are bits from a couple of sources. Using up as much of what I already have while I'm saving for those nice shiny DA!
More detail is needed to give that Chaotic feel, so odd items hanging of it and such are to come. Whilst on that subject I got the chance for a sneeak peek at the next WD in my local store and there is, what I think at least, is a pretty decent and quite large article on building the Leman Russ, which includes adding additional detail, subtle changes to the overall look etc... one to look out for.

Now time to pick your brains. I have not painted the vehicles all exactly the same (this was in the plan) but I am wondering about the paint job for the Sent. should I:
Paint it the same as the AT70 (Russ) which is sandy (argh bloody grease again) coloured. Or
Paint it a different colour again to all the current vehicles?
The latter is what I'm leaning towards at the minute, probably greyish. but what do you guys reckon?.
Ok enough for now

later chaps

Easy E
22-01-2007, 07:58
AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH! she who must be obeyed is watching Grease 2!!?!?:wtf

Let's bowl, let's bowl, let's rock-n-roll!

As for the color scheme. Keep the change subtle, perhaps a different shade of sandy color. I find different color schemes can really destroy the cohesive look of the army. If you use a similar color, with slight shading differences the model can still be unique and fit into the overall scheme.

Finally, I want a coooooool rider!

Sing it Michelle.

McMullet
22-01-2007, 11:42
Good stuff old chap. Personally, I'd go for a similar theme, like Easy E suggested. It would make sense that most of your guys' kit was looted from the same place, I reckon, and painting it slightly different colours would make it look like they got looted at different times, but still keep the unified theme.

old guard
22-01-2007, 16:32
Allrighty! A slightly different shade of puppy pooh by moonlight it is then.
lets see what we can do.

Easy E: I am now somewhat concerned about your mental health. Please...PLEASE tell me that you had to look those quotes up! McMullet, cool dog that he is, could not bring himself to comment (though I swear I heard him humming cool rider the last time we met)

Reproduction..da da, da,dadada.........

McMullet
22-01-2007, 17:05
I think I'll just nod, smile and back away slowly towards the door.

scrubout
22-01-2007, 17:25
How interesting, my first sentinel has been built, destroyed, and now sits in a pile of bitz (amongst other things) similar to yours...before you resurrected your own.

Kind of inspiring...maybe instead of buying some new models I should assemble it right...:rolleyes:

Looking forward to more as always.

-peace out
scrubout:skull:

spikyjames
22-01-2007, 17:55
this is shaping up to be a very impressive army, i'm looking forward to seeing it reach the 1500 mark

james:)

old guard
22-01-2007, 21:28
Thank you! so am I when I work out some sort of a structure:eyebrows:

old guard
27-01-2007, 21:20
Pie iesu domine.....domine es requiem......THWACK!!!.....Pie iesu domine.....domine es requiem......THWACK!!!

REPENT Old Guard, Repent.... Ok I was naughty and fell foul of the inquisition.....the shame the ignominy of it (first time too!..I think).
Big sorry to Deadly Headly for twas on his thread that I did sin.
I must make amends and require you all to visit his mighty thread (takes the easy option since I don't think there is anybody who on Warseer who hasn't) and pay him the homage that he so richly derserves.

Any way enough of this, lest the inquisition think I'm taking the P*** ( which I am certainly not)

So very small update a few pics of proposed Hvy weapons, you will recall my praise of Fitmanb and his missile launcher well, heres mine, it is virtually identical since I could see no real way of improving on it. All I may have added is a sight and a cable.
Now! I need your help again guys. How to base it. As I see it I have the following options:
1) mount the launcher and crew on one of the big bases but as I said before that could be unhealthy.
2) mount the launcher on a medium base and have the crew on their own individual ones.
3) one on, one off a big base.

So what do you reckon is the best way forward?

Also you will note the autocannon, weapon and sentinel exhaust pipe in perfect harmony:eyebrows: The wheels are from an Airfix bofor gun platform that I had lying around. It has a feel, (I think) of those WWII soviet belt fed machine guns (can't for the life of me remember the name but I'm sure one of you can) and is just another example of how tight I am being at the moment since my original plan was to get some Ork dreadnaught big shoota's instead.
Right that's it for now


Later folks,

schoolcormorant
27-01-2007, 21:30
Pie iesu domine.....domine es requiem......THWACK!!!.....Pie iesu domine.....domine es requiem......THWACK!!!

Miaoow (doesn't someone start whipping a cat or something :D)

awesome looking stuff Old Guard. i love the missile launchers, really ingenious, the fouindation of the British army huh?!

SC

old guard
27-01-2007, 21:33
should we be seen talking to each other?

Thanks, I am quite chuffed with them espicialy the AC, only problem now is that I need still more torsoes for crews etc...

schoolcormorant
27-01-2007, 21:37
yes, i like the AC, don't get me wrong, it looks more sturdy than the AC normally, more serviceable if you see what i mean.

SC
PS - that comment was delivered in a brown bag whilst i was wearing sunglasses

t-tauri
27-01-2007, 21:56
PS - that comment was delivered in a brown bag whilst i was wearing sunglassesWe still saw you.

I do like your chaos stuff old guard and it's going to be inspirational for me when I finally start work on my own traitors. I'm still reluctant to start until I'm sure of the IA5 army list but those heavy weapons are great. Very impressive as always.

old guard
27-01-2007, 22:09
Curses! nabbed again!

Thanks T, I am looking forward to IA5 too, money being stached away in anticipation, but for me the great wait has been DA (not long now:D ) and I have just been bitten by the militia guys. I dont doubt that FW have much more up their sleeve, but even if it duplicates/replaces what I have already done I dont mind It's just more opportunities. Maybee the chaos version of one of those 'mixed' guard armies people used to do.

Rictus
28-01-2007, 00:39
We still saw you.

I do like your chaos stuff old guard and it's going to be inspirational for me when I finally start work on my own traitors. I'm still reluctant to start until I'm sure of the IA5 army list but those heavy weapons are great. Very impressive as always.
Ditto. I hate and love updates to this thread as I love the work being shown but I hate the temptation I have to break open the FW boxes on my shelf and start making stuff....must resist, must wait till IA5...

As to basing heavy weapon teams I have most of them on a big base but with one crewman attached with a magnet. Big bases aren't always easy to position though so my Mortars (mainly used in cityfight) are based on a 40mm base with one crewman and the second guy on his own.

old guard
28-01-2007, 00:44
Yeah. the thing is with this I think I will have to use a big base to achiev the right look, the more ithink of it though the one on one off does seem the way forward.

cpl_hicks
28-01-2007, 01:10
Now! I need your help again guys. How to base it. As I see it I have the following options:
1) mount the launcher and crew on one of the big bases but as I said before that could be unhealthy.
2) mount the launcher on a medium base and have the crew on their own individual ones.
3) one on, one off a big base.

if it fits you could go the way of the metal rocket launchers, having the 'weapon' on a cavalry base with the crew on their own

old guard
04-02-2007, 00:09
Quick Update!!!!!

As ever tanks for all the coments so far, here's the latest addition the finished Sentinel. The pictures aren't brilliant (rushed them like usual) I may have to do some more piccies when I have more of the army done.

Hoping to paint up some of the troops tomorrow so you might get to see some more of those soon, in particular I want to get the standard bearer done, but... we'll see how the day progresses.


Later folks

Hawkmoon
04-02-2007, 00:56
looking good Old Guard. It's got that extremely used look that goes well with the Chaos militia. Like something that was owned by the IG, knocked out of action by Chaos forces then salvaged and and put into service by those same Chaos forces. Keep em coming!

on a side note, I wasn't aware that a backwards Euro sign was considerd a chaos symbol. :p

old guard
04-02-2007, 08:20
Ah! now you see the subtle political message in my work:evilgrin: .....Cobblers!.... I could not find in any of the background stuff I had any 'chaotic writing/simbology other than the big 5, and there is only so many times that you can paint those on before it gets a bit boring. So I found a website http://www.ancientscripts.com/index.html with loads of ancient alphabets on it and remembering the contents of various books, felt that I had to place the 'eye scrathingly' twisted chaotic writings on every thing the militia have, so having selected one, the anti euro is amongst it. Glagolitic is what it is.....(mmmm...... yeah !...thanks for that OG...keep taking the tablets...) http://www.ancientscripts.com/glagolitic.html an ancient slavic system used side by side with cyrillic in some slavic countries.

So there!:D (still like my idea of subtle political message.. maybe I can I can use the names of all the european commisioners for my troops!.....mmmmmm)

Voronwe[MQ]
04-02-2007, 08:35
Very nice sentinel!

oronwe

baneful
04-02-2007, 09:54
Loving this diary old guard (you almost ahd me spending 120 quid on traitor kits).

Any plans for background yet?

firestorm40k
04-02-2007, 11:41
Great Sentinel, Old Guard, I'm really enjoying seeing your Chaos army progress. :) :cool:

old guard
04-02-2007, 13:05
Loving this diary old guard (you almost ahd me spending 120 quid on traitor kits).

Any plans for background yet?



Spend.....spend...... you know you want to (says the fella about to spend 135 on the DA...... don't tell she who must be obeyed)

on the background: at the moment my only thoughts are an IG regiment seconded to the inquisition (vatican flag with inquisition icon on it that has had chaos scribblings applied all over going to the standard bearer) wher to whole operation went horribly wrong and they were all turned. nya ha ha haha!!!!!!:evilgrin: !!!:evilgrin:


Thanks to all for the comments

Voronwe[MQ]
04-02-2007, 15:20
Spend 135 on Dark Angels? Well, good luck, man!

Voronwe

Caelas
04-02-2007, 17:28
Wow, nice stuff, what's your color scheme?

old guard
04-02-2007, 19:54
Hawkmoon: cheers for that chap! I will be putting that to good use

Voronwe: Dark Angels! my first and only true love (well marine wise)

Caelas: primarly bubonic brown and shades surounding it, there is some use of catachan and camo green but washed out, and rotting flesh.

old guard
04-02-2007, 22:19
QUICK UPDATE!!!!!:D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok just a quickie before I go to bed:confused: ....... don't even go there!

After managing to achieve inner peace (locking the study door...Joking) helped by a bottle of Corona, I have managed to finish my standard bearer.:D (despite noting a slight kink in the pole:( (there's a joke in there somewhere but it's late and I can't be arsed) which I will have to sort later)

Also I want your opinion. I have tweaked a Vostrorian sniper, seducing him to the dark side and painting him to fit in (I hope ) with the militia. So! my qustion is. Does it work? do you think he will fit in and not look odd?

schoolcormorant
04-02-2007, 22:22
Ok just a quickie before I go to bed:confused: ....... don't even go there!


oh can't we?!

the scuplted camo net thing on the back is amazing OG. i relaly like you're conversions

SC

old guard
04-02-2007, 22:24
No you can't! its too easy

do I take that as a yes it works?

Cheers chap

Erestor
04-02-2007, 22:28
Well done Old Guard on doing so much work.

Catching up on this thread has made my morning.

In case you haven't ye decided, there really isn't any reason you couldn't have the missile launcher with both crew off the base. The Eldar heavy weapons teams are done this way, and as long as you make your opponent aware and make any meaurement from the crew, the launcher itself could just be a piece of scenery with no impact in game terms. ie, measure ranges fro shooting from the crew, measure squad coherency from the crew, assaults the same. Otherwise one on and one off makes sense.

Speaking of things old and archaic, why not model an RCL? An old 106 or something of that ilk. Seems to be what chaos would be able to use and maintain. That's if you need any more heavy weapons.

Keep up the good work.

PS, I am able to resist the DA army as waiting for how good the Space Wolves will be warms me more than buying new models, which, for me, is saying a great deal....

t-tauri
04-02-2007, 22:29
LOL! the anti-euro! Now there's an idea! and one that would be sure to warm the heart of any anarchy loving chaos follower. good stuff! :D

For someone who I thought had a strong leaning towards Imperial loyalties you have shown that the touch of Chaos has opened your eyes to true power!

Because of this I will share with you a primer for writing things in the Dark Tongue of Chaos taken from a page within the most unholy tome of knowledge. (Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned.) Mwhahahahaha!

ahem... Sorry got a bit carried away there. I took this out of the old hard cover Realm of Chaos book. It says to just write things phoneticly but beyond that encourages chaotic creativity. enjoy! And keep those updates coming!Please do not post material covered by GW IP. Post deleted.


t-tauri

The Warseer Inquisition

schoolcormorant
04-02-2007, 22:30
yeah i say it works.
i didn;t notice it was a vostroyan sniper till staring at the pic for a bit. so i think so.

SC

spikyjames
04-02-2007, 22:34
standard bearer look good and i think the vosi sniper works very well, the paint scheme suits the mini and he doesn't look out of place at all.

james:)

Erestor
04-02-2007, 22:35
Hmm you posted whilst I was.

I think the Vosdtroyan will fit in well as a sniper in your army. I am putting some in mine, so they better, and my second point is that he will match the oficer with resp that you posted earlier.

THe officer just needs small adjustment to his loyalty, specifically the eagle on his chest, in order to fit in.

Chaos, is well, chaotic, as I keep trying to point out to people, things like absolute uniformity just, well, aren't that chaotic.

Corona is bad for you, jokes about kinky poles notwithstanding, and you should drink decent beer. By decent I mean anything that does not need fruit added to it in order to give it flavour. Trust me, I'm Australian....

old guard
04-02-2007, 22:35
Thanks for that Erestor. Space wolves Heh! (has vision of mr Burns saying that the same way he says Simpson Heh!) nothing quite like a little rivalry. My DA have been on hold for over a year and having looked in the box this weekend most of what I have is about to have a chapter change (crimson fists My youngest daughter wanted 'blue' marines) in favour of the new and oh so shiny new stuff.


Right that's it I'm off! especially after the shock of seing that post from T Tauri, Damn near soiled myself (or is that age?)

Night all

Hawkmoon
05-02-2007, 02:02
Gaaaa! I've been erased! :eek:
Damn you Warseer inquisistion and your rules! Grrrrrr! {shakes tiny fist in the air}

Oh well, I hope you downloaded that before it got zapped.

McMullet
05-02-2007, 11:37
I really like the way bits of this army are being salvaged and cobbled together, it's just like the real army would be. Real as in, well, fictional, but, uh, y'know.

The sentinel looks good, and I really like the standard (especially the burn marks).

Rictus
06-02-2007, 14:46
A good thing about being away for a few days is coming back to seeing how my favourite threads have been updated. The standard bearer is lovely and the sniper is damn fine as well.

You do realise that when I finally start re-doing my LatD army I will be forced to steal most of your ideas?

old guard
06-02-2007, 17:25
Steal away Chap! Thats part of the idea, as I see it, for all of this, the sharing of ideas. I've downloaded all your posters ...it's only fair that you can take something from here.

baneful
06-02-2007, 21:28
Standard is looking shmick, and that vostroyan sniper blends in well.

Whats next?

old guard
06-02-2007, 22:36
More troops (oggys included) and heavy weapons squads.

the varks
09-02-2007, 06:30
loving those traitors.... must resist urge to spend $250 on fw goodies.....

Marco

old guard
09-02-2007, 10:08
Go for it you know you want to. More chaos infantry CSM is for the weak. what is need is more and yet more Chaos/traitor infantry and all that goes with that.


Here' a thought, could wood elve dryads be turned into some form of decent looking deamons??? what do you reckon people is it worth me investigating?

Getz
09-02-2007, 10:19
I think they'd make pretty interesting Demonettes - although stat-wise Plaguebearers seem best to me for people made of wood.

the varks
09-02-2007, 10:27
iv seen a dyrad made into a daemon host but thats about all, shame i cant get some chaos militia cause i must finish word bearers and my armoured company...

Marco

Lavfluris
09-02-2007, 19:19
Here' a thought, could wood elve dryads be turned into some form of decent looking deamons?Dryads make decent Daemonettes and Horrors.

old guard
09-02-2007, 21:08
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm! I think I may have to give that a try you know.

Bonus!!!! I've just had another set of militia given to me Hurrah! the force continues!! (you know.... the dark warm and fuzzy side)

Rictus
10-02-2007, 01:35
More troops (oggys included) and heavy weapons squads.
More Oggys is always good. Are you thinking of adding more tanks (tanks are also always good)?

CSM is for the weak.
Well said, my LatD will are and will always be a power armour free zone.

Bonus!!!! I've just had another set of militia given to me Hurrah! the force continues!! (you know.... the dark warm and fuzzy side)
Oh you lucky bugger.

old guard
10-02-2007, 10:24
Indeed....(said in a deep baritone Teal'c (closet stargate fan) styleee) .....on all 3 counts I need some kind of bassy which I know you did with the fantasy cahos cannon, but I'm thinking along the lines of a russ chassis and based on an american M7 priest

Rictus
11-02-2007, 00:20
Indeed....(said in a deep baritone Teal'c (closet stargate fan) styleee) .....on all 3 counts I need some kind of bassy which I know you did with the fantasy cahos cannon, but I'm thinking along the lines of a russ chassis and based on an american M7 priest

Oh yeah, I remember posting a pic of my Medusa in here now, should of remembered that really. The Russ/M7 hybrid sounds interesting and after the other vehicles you have put together for your Militia it should be something worth seeing.

old guard
25-02-2007, 19:05
Right then! First- CALLING ALL MODS! can I go to sience fiction please?:) :)


Only a quick update. I havent entirely been brought back into the imperial fold of the DA. The militia still marches on (albeit a little slower)

You may remember my turning of the Vostroyan sniper, he now has acouple of friends in the shape of the other vossy and 'scope' from the last chancers (he will be repainted). I have used a Tau head to achhive a similar look to the normal militia though thes guys have lightweight (officer issue) rebreathers. Also a quick group shot of nearly finished troops (about another evenings work) there is an entire squad still to be built yet.


Later guys

turnipman
25-02-2007, 21:15
i love these! you've really inspired me with the ogryns, i shall have to make my own :p but i do have 100 of the militia to build and paint... :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

bert n ernie
26-02-2007, 00:25
Where did you get teh head on the sniper guy on the right(first pic)? It looks amazing!
OK, you haven't painted it...yet.
I do quite like the milita. Very nice. Are the eye sockets done? I can't see, properly. Any chance of a close up of a small selection of them, as I'd enjoy seeing more of your detailing in...ah... more detail.

old guard
26-02-2007, 06:47
It's a Tau head with bits added from a Cadian vox operator. On the detail 9at my peril) I'll se what I can do

Thanks all

luna wolf
11-03-2007, 17:53
well this has made me feel like finishing off my traitors.

Easy E
12-03-2007, 08:38
Are these guys gonna get any mobile field guns Old Guard? It seems like low-tech Chaos Militia type stuff. They wouldn't have access to the up to date Imperial weapons like the Bassie, but their own manufactorums could produce those wheeled guns, like the ones you made for the guard.

old guard
12-03-2007, 15:48
its definitely a thought (one that I had'nt had) mmmmm..... pulled by oggys and slaves....very low tech, possible deamon engined (that might be a bit much). I will have to give this consideration, I do have 2 earthshaker emplacements that I could chaosify (word of the day!!!!)....mmmmm...

Hawkmoon
13-03-2007, 01:39
No updates in over two weeks? The Chaos gods are displeased Old Guard. They are talking about taking away your members card. I advise you to stop playing with your imperial buddies and come back into the dark where you belong.

:D

Like those snipers BTW. Nice conversions. Although I've always had a problem with snipers standing up, it just doesn't look right. 'Hey look at me! I'm a sniper!'

old guard
13-03-2007, 07:51
I know....I'm sorry.... I shall apease the chaos gods with a chocolate cake....which I shall then eat myself.

I'll try and do some painting this week, and I might take a look at those gun emplacements. the only thing with emplacement is that it suggests defence and I think I want the boys to be offence.

Easy E
16-03-2007, 09:28
Then skip the gun empalcements.

Instead, they will need Assault Guns. Cut down earthshakers on a basilisk configured for direct fire. Insane? Yes!

old guard
11-04-2007, 21:54
Cough!!....Bonjour....Cough!!...., sweeps away the dust and craves most humbly apologies for my neglect of mine own thread...I must however plead attenuating circumstances since my attention has been drawn elsewhere with the acquisition of my new toy:evilgrin: (yes that's me the rather portly chap with a beard you could hide a badger in, and for all her fans yes.. that is SHE, who must be obeyed!) I've been in the south of France for a few days, only got back this morning, dealing with the 'Toy' and carrying out reconaissance on GW Perpignan, hereafter to be reffered to as my third home, (GW Southampton- evenin' lads) being my second.

So a return to the militia and Im afraid to say not a huge amount of progress, there is a squad awaiting final details in the wings, but I'm not going to attempt that having had about 2/3 hours sleep in the last 36. But..... the lure of armour is too strong and having purchased a new bassy today ( using the excuse that I needed to go and check that my earthshaker (currently in residence in GW Southampton) was OK.....oh all right I admit it I miss it).

Some of you may recall that I spoke about doing a Bassy which would resemble the M7 Priest of WWII vintage, well I have finally started and here are the first couple of shots of WIP, I will try to remember to take shots as I go along withthis one and keep this updated a bit more frequently.

So as a quick explanation...same kind of chassis as the AT70 (earlier in the thread) using the back of a Russ with Chimera running gear The gun has to be short or the whole thing will look unbalanced and weird. Hopefully a couple more shots in the next couple of days

Later all

elotsip
11-04-2007, 22:25
Congrats on the new acquisition! I can't see what else you have in store for us. :)

old guard
11-04-2007, 22:33
Thank you very much. And likewise with your guys I took a quick look earlier, the heavy weapons are looking great.

elotsip
11-04-2007, 22:34
Thanks, I must say that seeing your initial thread really got me pumped and you are responsible for me building a second LatD army! haha So what else do you have planned for your force?

old guard
11-04-2007, 22:46
Well having now seen the FW oggys mine are heading back to the field surgeon's table (well not the first one, the already painted one) for some stims, a bit more GS and blunter weapons.
I'm also intrigued by the commisar and priest options, I did have some in mind using some of the Mordheim posessed figures, but I might wait a little now and see what comes up. also considering playing around with the Ork arty piece as a potential Militia heavy mortar using that arty crew that is now available (though one set is heading for the Bassy substitute). Finally I want to see what the plastic empire flagellants look like (from a conversion perspective) a possible 'conscrips'/cultists. Of course once I have IA5 in my grubby mits my plans may all change.

elotsip
11-04-2007, 22:53
Oh yes, I am also looking forward to the plastic flagellants for my zealots and possbile cultists.

What ork artillary peice are you referring to? I am also not familiar with the commisar and priest options you mentioned... Please clue me in.

old guard
11-04-2007, 23:06
Take a look at the FW open day thread in news and rumours I think it was Philbrad who said something about them. yep it was and I quote

''Right then the Chaos Renegades:

List is basically a Chaos Guard list as mentioned before.

HQ is a 'proper' Officier choices.
CR's get Enforcers count as Commissars
Apostate Priest (?) count as Preachers
The list has a a new trait "renegades" this means when the first morale test is taken they must then roll a D6 and add 4, this then becomes their leadership for the game. So they be rock hard or scaredy cats.
Disciples of Xphan, count as IG vets.
Troops sqauds of CR's can use lasguns/shotguns/autoguns or a mix of all plus they can also use pistols and CCW's (hence the 'gangsta' twin autopistol model)
CR take Armored Fist units.
Bezerker Ogryns have combat drugs coursing through them with can randomly enhance them or cause wounds.
Alpha Legion can be taken as Elites

This army is supposed to represent at the outset a renegade army as the tait of chaos sets in. As it degenerates it forms what we know as LatD army with lots of mutants. The second siege book will include lots of power armoured Chaos main centering on Nurgle and Khorne''

Th e Orky jobby is the bigGunz. Its a nice little field arty piece, would work well with IG with a bit of work (mountain troops with Mules or 40K equivalent no armour, heavy weapon platoon with lots of small pie plates, whole table quarters taken up as a beaten zone!

Right that's it I'm off to bed- totally knackered- Hooray for a quiet day at work (that's just hexed it) tomorrow.

Later.

elotsip
11-04-2007, 23:18
Thanks mate!

Rictus
11-04-2007, 23:57
Hurrah! He is back! Nice to see you back with the Militia, I need the ideas for my own when I get round to them after I get my hands on IA5.

The FW Open Day was well worth the trip (shame you weren't there as I am sure I promised to buy you a drink one day) and the Militia army list was interesting what I managed to take in. Going to completely change my current LatD army.

Anyway, enough rambling I am looking forward to seeing the Bassy progress.

bert n ernie
12-04-2007, 19:29
Glad you're back. Hope to see more soon.
Seeing that list made my day. I'd checked out the FW open day reports, btu somehow missed that jem. I'll have to take a closer look when I get the chance.

old guard
12-04-2007, 23:04
Thanks all

Rictus- yes a shame I wanted to go up there but with the impending south of France trip and limited funds in the wallet I couldn't really justify it.

So anyway, a little progress, slight change too as I found a really useful bit in the bits box, the front of a russ hull:) This was following seing the Minotaur conversion on WIP (I know you've seen it Rictus) but for those who haven't.... http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=7410 Absolute genius and a Well done to the chap who created it.
Well the combination of the 2 forced a rethink and so this picture will give an overall impression of what I'm aiming at. If this is succesfull I have a loyalist one in mind too, though on a russ chassis.

That's it for tonight, still trying to catch up on sleep to prevent further nodding off as I type up a safety report on the laptop this afternoon!:eyebrows: I leave you with a couple of photoes of the chaps on a chaos piece of scenery I did a couple of years back.

Later folks

Still learning
13-04-2007, 02:18
I really like the blood on the traitor's axe, very nice. And did you weather the bottom of the legs and boots? BEcause it looks like there is mud on there.

McMullet
13-04-2007, 11:05
That house a few posts up looks very realistic, did you sculpt it yourself? :p

The militia guys look cracking in the temple doowhat there.

(mental note to have a gander in the window of GW Soton tomorrow if I pop into town)

Easy E
13-04-2007, 11:31
Can we get a side view and front view of the Bassie/Priest as it currently stands?

Rictus
14-04-2007, 00:31
Rictus- yes a shame I wanted to go up there but with the impending south of France trip and limited funds in the wallet I couldn't really justify it.

So anyway, a little progress, slight change too as I found a really useful bit in the bits box, the front of a russ hull:) This was following seing the Minotaur conversion on WIP (I know you've seen it Rictus) but for those who haven't.... http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=7410 Absolute genius and a Well done to the chap who created it.
Well the combination of the 2 forced a rethink and so this picture will give an overall impression of what I'm aiming at. If this is succesfull I have a loyalist one in mind too, though on a russ chassis.

Ah well, the drink will have to wait till GD (if you're going...?).

I'll have to agree on the Minotaur on WIP. Another thing for the 'to do' list. That's the dange of WIP and the Warseer modeling forums, it is hard to browse through without adding another half dozen things onto the 'I want' or 'to do' lists.

The Militia in the context shots really shwo them off well.

Keep the updates coming.

Dangerous_to_know
14-04-2007, 04:17
that heavy bolter is amazing looking

old guard
14-04-2007, 11:59
In roughly reverse order ....

Thank you

I will indeed be going to GD! not sure what we'll do about drink, last year through a lack of being able to find a watering hole, Lavfluris bought me an ice cream:eyebrows: !

Mc Mullet! hi Sam it's in the cabinet at the back of the shop.

Still learning; its rust not blood and yes I did make him fall over in the mud.

Easy E: there you go one side on piccie. though I will be building up the sides a bit on the front (refer to the priest picture)

So I had to go to Lewes through work and decided on a whim to go back via Hove to see if a model shop that I remembered from about 7/8 years ago was still there. And indeed LSA models is still there and is filled with loads of Goodies including some oodd GW stuff that was very cheap (throne of judgement 10!). They have loads of what I will describe as propper ;) modeling stuff, in fact the guy in the shop was kind enough to give me their stock list...all 57 pages of it in size 9 font!!!! Now you cant go in to one of the few remaining model shops in the country and not buy something so this is what I got. The first will assist with all sorts of projects and some of you may recognise bits I have used on some of my stuff. The other item well take a look at the next image and you will see what I'm getting at :evilgrin: MWHA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!.

schoolcormorant
14-04-2007, 12:14
malcador....:D you sly old devil ;)

SC

devolutionary
14-04-2007, 12:19
Oh I must ask, what are those Emhar kits like? I'd been eyeing up a Mk IV Female for a while to replicate this truly magnificent Land Raider that a guy made for his Deathwing back in 2nd ed.

old guard
14-04-2007, 12:20
What?!? so I'm tight....the product of very mixed parentage Greek/Bulgarian English, welsh and Scottish and some times certain traits come to the fore!

I've got to try it, it's rude not to. Its just a damw good job that LSA did'nt have one of the Male or female tanks in stock or there would be a Gorgon on my list of things to do. I've stil got to figure out what I'm going to do with the Whippet track units.

PS- The chess player moves, the prince is lonely...... Haven't done one of those in a while


Devolutionary: COOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKIIIIIIEEE!!!!!!!!!! well on first impression they compare quite favourably with the GW stuff and will not look out of place. Given that the subject matter is quite clunky big and heavy there are lots of big rivets and no thin fragile parts.

Easy E
14-04-2007, 12:33
I'm absolutely loving that Priest conversion. Be sure to finish it before you go crazy and start that Malcador. I love the Malcador too, but I've been dreaming about a direct fire open topped Bassie for a long time. It just seems like a low-tech traitor/PDF weapon of choice.

old guard
14-04-2007, 12:44
The bassy is the priority fear not. more being done tonight probably.

Easy E
15-04-2007, 15:48
I was looking at your Bassie/Priest conversion again. I was wondering what are you going to do with the hull heavy bolter that the Bassie is suppose to have?

old guard
15-04-2007, 17:29
Pop it up as the pintle mounted one on the priest. I just won't put an 'additional' pintle mounted weapon on it.

cthorpe
15-04-2007, 20:29
Hi Old Guard..

I like the look of your new conversions..

An idea for the whippet track units.. could they not become the drive units for a Siegfried light tank?.. or even the artillery tractor it was derived from?

How does a 1/35 scale whippet compare to a Leman russ in size.

Best wishes,

Carl

Still learning
29-04-2007, 09:52
could you please give me a photo of the tracks the whippet comes with

Thanks in advance

black-francis
04-05-2007, 00:45
nice work Old Gaurd. i love the use of the old tank kits.

Lavfluris
05-05-2007, 13:28
not sure what we'll do about drink, last year through a lack of being able to find a watering hole, Lavfluris bought me an ice cream:eyebrows: !I seem to remember you bought the ice creams...

If you want to help out on my table at Games Day, then let me know. ;)

old guard
06-05-2007, 09:53
Morning all

Long time no speak/write...whatever.

First things first; Cthorpe, Still learning, apologies for not getting back to you, I'll see what I can do.
Lav: have you sourced transport yet? if not I can probably grab the wife's car (big Toyota Previa 8 seater job so should be big enough) I'll PM you later.

So why away so long? Well I've been lurking but I am having what now seems to be a long term problem in that I have to log on every time (despite the remember me tick box) tried all sorts, with the assist of some of the mods but it not playing (I hate IT). Consequently i've been looking regularly but not joining in.
Unfortunately I've not been very active either in the last couple of weeks, work and home have conspired to keep me away assisted ably by the fact that I might have a sleep problem (off to see the quack soon) so I feel knackered half the time (which is a real treat given the amount of time I spend driving). If you see a dirty black Ford Focus weaving down the motorway with the stereo up loud, hang back, that could be me...at least beep your horn to wake me up:eyebrows:

Lets get down to business: time for a bit of a tease, the militia mortar/missile artillery squad.
Picture one, the WIP scenic base with all the bits! I have set myself a bit of a task, aiming to complete this by end of play tomorrow.....Stop laughing at the back!
Of particular note (the subsequent pictures) another bits box refugee from the forges of Urdesh! The half track. (designation as yet unknown, junior adept looking through the forge database as we speak). This is a vehicle mass produced as a squad tansport and medium utility vehicle for IG/PDF forces in the sector, this example was appropriated by the chaos forces and in this instance used for the movement of arty/support units.
The Magos for the production line was taken to task and subsequently shot for failing to notice the substantial mold line under the stubber barrel:mad:

As ever good folk (I am assuming here:evilgrin: ) C&C welcomed.

Hopefully more later.

doghouse
06-05-2007, 10:17
Great job on the half track, the balsa panels are a really nice touch.
When I first saw the thumbnail I thought "Orks?" But when I clicked on the image it does look more human in design, sort of WWII meets Mad Max.
The army is coming along really well and I'm really enjoying this thread. Keep up the good work! :)

jasevx
06-05-2007, 10:45
great work on the truck, are you going to have further crew, stubber operator by chance?

schoolcormorant
06-05-2007, 11:19
that is immense!

well done old guard, i really like it :)

SC

firestorm40k
06-05-2007, 20:02
Excellent conversion on that truck! :cool: Glad you're keeping this project going Old Guard, I've been enjoying it's progress from the beginning :)

old guard
06-05-2007, 22:50
Thank you all, painting is progressing despite the attempts of the rest of the household, 'Young guard' in particular taking up space and painting his girlfriends nickname on a cassette:wtf: he's about to become an art student (the shame of it) and suposidely this is art! he'll cut it in half and pickle it next!
Anyhoo, that's the spleen suitably vented.

Doghouse: the 'balsa' is actually wooden coffee stirring sticks and the seats a lolly stick.

SC; it's not that big actually;) ..........:eek: stop right there! and thanks

Jasevx; probably not, I always have a problem with this kind of stuff in that I get a 'reality V fantasy (well 40K actually...)' problem IE the concept of a 2 man crew on a bassy...get real!!! not a hope in hell. So with the crew for this lot... the driver is a figment of the imagination (he's not there really) hell so is the vehicle for that matter. 2 of the guys are made to look like the 'command element' while the other 4 do the work to try to keep to the rules. So stretching to a gunner as well... cant really justify it.

Firestorm: hereafter to be reffered to as 'lucky b*****d ;) (just for the living in France bit if nothing else) happy election day by the way, I shall be heading to Gods country myself in 2 weeks 5 days (not that I'm counting you understand) heading a little further south to my favourite part of the world The pyrenee orientale (went to school there as a kiddie and lived there 7 years, wish I still was.. ). Thank you for the support, I've been having a look at your terrain thread, good stuff though I think you should take a trip down to the Montpelier, Narbonne, Carcasone triangle with a camera and base some terrain on that fantastic scenery. keep up the good work.

Right a little bit more to do tonight and quick look at rumours to see who the latest sap is who can't read the sticky and is about to be he-bitch man slapped by the inquisition......maybe thay should rename the sticky, rules of the rumour forum, this means you numbnuts! catchy don't you think?

McMullet
07-05-2007, 10:57
Very nice work there old guard, as ever. And get well soon! ;)

SeV_PL
07-05-2007, 11:33
Wow! Nice work ...

Easy E
07-05-2007, 12:46
*Cough, cough* PRIEST! *Cough, cough*

Lavfluris
07-05-2007, 13:21
The truck looks rather cool. Reminds me of GorkaMorka, which can only be a good thing. ;)



Lav: have you sourced transport yet?Not as yet, but if you are offering to help out with that, it would be greatly appreciated. If you would also like to help with the table, it would also be appreciated, though I suspect you will have the Guardsmen to look after.

old guard
07-05-2007, 21:58
Well I failed to reach my target:rolleyes: no surprise there then
this is how far I got, still to be done? some detail on both vehicle and troops and some additional basing/terrain work.

Thanks for the comments easy E sounds like you need to get that seen to. priest next ...promise. Special thanks to Mc M, did you go and have a look at my other beastie by the way?

still need to PM Lav havent forgotten.

for now that's it oh and a gratuitous all militia vehicles shot


Just ordered IA5 (wedding anniversary present 17 years:eek: ) hope it gets here before I head to France on holiday.

Later folks

schoolcormorant
07-05-2007, 22:12
Just ordered IA5 (wedding anniversary present 17 years:eek: )


what better way to celebrate :D

you're tanks are looking excellent Old Guard, nice stuff mate, have a nice holiday

SC

old guard
07-05-2007, 22:19
Thank You chap! I just hope it gets here before I go. Sitting in the sunshine checking out the FW goodness sound great. the book and poster sitting in the post office for a week, not so!

Really liking your confused are we Cadian or Tallarn? Might I suggest sand goggles on helmets (or eyes for that matter, always a good idea!) and Shemaghs around necks and or heads for some for that extra 'we in the desert' feel

no-use4a-name
07-05-2007, 22:21
That group shot looks awesome. I really like the Armored car Russ.

Congratulations on the Anniversary and enjoy your Holiday (Vacation for us Yanks ;) )

old guard
07-05-2007, 22:36
Thanks, I've just had a very quick glance at your marines...very nice some great action poses, I do miss your IG though, I grabbed a few of the photoes for my 'other peoples stuff' inspiration folder, but I always thought it a shame you never did more. All the best.