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XaNder
30-06-2005, 22:54
Just quoting from the GW Development Forum (http://uk.games-workshop.com/apps/eshare.pl?do=ReadThread&BoardID=16&ID=4065096&template=uk). I put the whole post but I think you better read all the thread for better understanding.




Don't assume that we aren't aware of how many of which army is out there, we're probably better equipped than most to judge, as we talk to events organisers from all over the world. Though it wasn't your own point, others have in the past placed profits and points values in the same equation, and that's at best misguided and at worst plain insulting!

>> I just hope that either way, you will try to restore some sense of variety in this game by making alternate armies interesting, instead of the T4 3+ armor save troopers reigning supreme on the battlefields of the 41st millenium.

Of course! But remember, without Codex Black Templars there would be no Codex Jokearo - the niche stuff (which is often what vets like yourself crave and want more more more! of) is only possible through the success of the mainstream (which is what gets 99% of people into the game in the first place).



Seems quite strange to me ...Codex Jokearo... I think it was just kind of an examplification. What do you think about it?

Sorry, should you find it a stupid or reasonless post...
XaNder

Shinzui
30-06-2005, 23:01
I think it was just used as an example. If they ever did I'd laugh at all the people that thought that Tau didn't fit in 40k.

Hopefully if they do they'll bring out Codex Nicassar, who wouldn't like a army of Psychic polar bears :D

Black Mage
30-06-2005, 23:30
Get it? Codex Joke-aro? Emphasis on Joke?

Strikerkc
30-06-2005, 23:40
Get it? Codex Joke-aro? Emphasis on Joke?

Well, there is a species in the 40K background Called the Jokearo. Idiot savant ape type things that can build all sorts of wonderfull machinery by instinct alone.

I'm fairly sure it was just said to make clear that (as he said) without main stream armies like BT, DA, UM, etc, to bring in sure fire cash, there won't be more specialist and nich armies.

Eversor
30-06-2005, 23:51
:chrome: To be nitpicky, it's spelled Jokaero ;) But it's quite possible it was an intended misspelling, to get the pun :D

Melchor
30-06-2005, 23:55
There's someone on Warseer who has the Codex: Jokaero cover as his avatar. So it might be true after all! After Black Templars they'll be releasing Codex Jokaero! :D

[serious mode]
This thread needs a bolter shell through the brain. :rolleyes:

Strikerkc
30-06-2005, 23:56
To be nitpicky, it's spelled Jokaero ;) But it's quite possible it was an intended misspelling, to get the pun :D

Doubt it, GW employees aren't often that witty, nor GW forum goers quick enough to appreciate it. :p:cool:

just
01-07-2005, 01:46
There's someone on Warseer who has the Codex: Jokaero cover as his avatar. So it might be true after all! After Black Templars they'll be releasing Codex Jokaero! :D

[serious mode]
This thread needs a bolter shell through the brain. :rolleyes:


If that is the one with the monkey and the Codex: Jokaero in GW 40K codex headline on it, that is a very old joke and has nothing to do with any upcomming codices.

dodicula
01-07-2005, 02:14
So Guard and Nids, and Ork, and Eldar are niche?

Bmaxwell
01-07-2005, 02:22
I think it was just a joke by GW they like to see the common man get into fights about this kind of stuff

just
01-07-2005, 03:25
As for the validity of Codex: Jokaero, I seriously doubt it. Not due to inherent strangness of the race as GW crossed the WTF line with Ogre Kingdoms in that regard, but because it, AFAIK, has been established that the Jokaero are one of the many races that currently works with the Tau Empire.

That being said, I think the visual aspect of monkeys (no Eldar comments here) on the tabletop might be amusing. A hypotethical aproach (as it must be because I doubt it) would be parallells to Planet of the Apes, with various sub species of monkeys fulfilling different duties in the armylist.

Xisor
01-07-2005, 03:34
but because it, AFAIK, has been established that the Jokaero are one of the many races that currently works with the Tau Empire.


When did that happen? The Jokaero were created by the Old Ones, but due to their nature have never been noted to work for anyone! The fluff is that you have to trick them into doing what you want them to, which more often than not ends up with them escaping and causing havoc anyway...

Not once have I seen them mentioned with regards to the Tau Empire.

Xisor

Khaine's Messenger
01-07-2005, 03:52
No Codex Jokaero without Codex Black Templars? What about a little attention from, maybe, Chapter Approved? For things like...Genestealer Cults and Harlequins, maybe? "Codex Jokaero" is an even more niche idea than either of those! ;)

XaNder
01-07-2005, 10:32
Seems quite strange to me ...Codex Jokearo... I think it was just kind of an examplification. What do you think about it?


If someone would only learn to read probably they'd be less sarcastic.
As for the Jokaero, there's a pic even in 4th edition book IIRC if you never heard about them.

Cheers and be cool,
XaNder

Jedi152
01-07-2005, 10:52
As for the Jokaero, there's a pic even in 4th edition book IIRC if you never heard about them.

If you're that desparate about the Jokaero, GW made a mini (http://www.solegends.com/citrare/gyrinxjok.htm), years ago, and i'm not sure it was ever released.

Praetorian
01-07-2005, 12:07
:p :D Codex Jokearo- what is that, wit I hear? Good one
God I laughed when I saw that Fake pic on the old portent front page a few years back. I wonder if the cat with the codex avatar was the guy who made up that cover.
Codex: Idiot Savante Apes :eek:

Melchor
01-07-2005, 12:13
If that is the one with the monkey and the Codex: Jokaero in GW 40K codex headline on it, that is a very old joke and has nothing to do with any upcomming codices.

I was only joking...

Nazguire
01-07-2005, 12:16
Just quoting from the GW Development Forum (http://uk.games-workshop.com/apps/eshare.pl?do=ReadThread&BoardID=16&ID=4065096&template=uk). I put the whole post but I think you better read all the thread for better understanding.



Seems quite strange to me ...Codex Jokearo... I think it was just kind of an examplification. What do you think about it?

Sorry, should you find it a stupid or reasonless post...
XaNder


I believe that it was an example...in fact I know that it was an example. There hasn't been a mention of Jokearo for a long time, there was no models even, save for a couple of very poor ones. It was just an example to point out that without the cash cows, there'd be no Tau/Necrons/Daemonhunters/Witchhunters etc

Spaco
01-07-2005, 15:09
I personally can't wait for Codex: Death Ferrets. :D

ObiWan
01-07-2005, 16:43
If that is the one with the monkey and the Codex: Jokaero in GW 40K codex headline on it, that is a very old joke and has nothing to do with any upcomming codices.

Me thinks that is exactly the point :D

LimeLord
01-07-2005, 18:33
About Jokaero and stuffs... where can i find fluff and such about these mysterious phenomena models....

t-tauri
01-07-2005, 18:44
If you're that desparate about the Jokaero, GW made a mini (http://www.solegends.com/citrare/gyrinxjok.htm), years ago, and i'm not sure it was ever released.They were released through Mail Order for a few months and then vanished making them somewhat rare.



About Jokaero and stuffs... where can i find fluff and such about these mysterious phenomena models....
The first Warhammer 40k Rogue Trader rulebook has about a paragraph on each. It shows up frequently on ebay and can usually be got for 5-10.

Freak Ona Leash
01-07-2005, 18:47
But I wants my Death Ferrets...

________________
Freak, who says if you dont know what a Death Ferret is, then get the hell off the boat.

DigitsDavid
01-07-2005, 20:04
I don't particularly like to post rumours, but this has reminded me that a friend of a reliable source told me there were plans afoot to release another Tau ally (minidex?) sometime before xmas. Didn't put much store by it, but the source is quite highly placed.

just
01-07-2005, 21:36
When did that happen? The Jokaero were created by the Old Ones, but due to their nature have never been noted to work for anyone! The fluff is that you have to trick them into doing what you want them to, which more often than not ends up with them escaping and causing havoc anyway...

Not once have I seen them mentioned with regards to the Tau Empire.

Xisor

I can dig through my materials and see if I can come on with the reference.

fsssh
01-07-2005, 22:46
I sadly doubt codex: Jokaero will happen (and this is true sadness as I persoanlly like the idea of an army of monkeys).!

Page 200 of the 1st ed rulebook has the following rule-fluff regarding tactics for this species;- Jokearo have a natural aversion to close combat, preferring to fight from a safe distance.... etc...

Sounds too close to some other race for the Jok's to be a unique fighting force, unless GW rewrite the fluff, and we all know that wouldn't happen... rending monkeys anyone?

sulla
02-07-2005, 17:39
Doubt it, GW employees aren't often that witty, nor GW forum goers quick enough to appreciate it. :p:cool:

As opposed to the prime specimens on this site... :p :p

Slazton
03-07-2005, 02:55
Hmm well we all know Codex Orks is due Janaury, so the Jokearo are what April/May? :rolleyes:

just
03-07-2005, 03:28
Hmm well we all know Codex Orks is due Janaury, so the Jokearo are what April/May? :rolleyes:

I think very, very early April sounds just about right.

Lady's Champion
03-07-2005, 17:19
I think early April 2046 sounds very accurate for a Jokaero release (if thats happens now I will kick myself)

Slazton
03-07-2005, 17:33
I think very, very early April sounds just about right.

Then Eldar will be two months after. We all know GW are just hanging onto these codexes and denying us rumours as they are always secretive and our infltrators only ever get lies. :rolleyes:

Seriously though, I don't see Jokaero as anyhting than a curosity in the 40K background and if they do make an appearance, then they should be like the Enslavers, just a CA article with rules and ideas for conversions, thats it.

just
03-07-2005, 21:29
You seemed to have missed the point about "early april". Therefore, I will elaborate with a question that will make it somewhat clearer to you:

Whats the first day of april called?

Amon Ra
04-07-2005, 01:58
Yes, I agree, the first day of April would make it about right.

It would be foolish to release this army too soon after the Ork release, as GW will allow for the Orks to get enough coverage in WD for promotional purposes.

He Who Laughs
04-07-2005, 02:34
(Psst, look at my avatar) Arghh! I've been found out! It's true, I'm the lead playtester for Codex: Jokaero and it will be released following Codex: Tau mid next year!

Expect to see orang-hutans piloting exo-skeleton suits, chimpanzees bedecked with digi-lasers, and gorilla guerillas with hankerchiefs covering their identity, armed with AK-47's, bandoliers and a bad attitude! For the first time in 40K, true psychological warfare will be explored with Howler monkeys totting megaphones in close proximity to concert sized foldback amps! And it true Jokaero style, you'll be able to include any other weapon, wargear item or vehicle from the other 40K Codices, such is the wonder of Jokaero mimic-replication technology!

Tremble mere mortals - the Jokaero are coming... :p

P.S: I wish... :D

Voss
04-07-2005, 04:42
Recent references to the Jokaero.
Codex: Necrons, p 26, under the heading 'The Apocolapse Looms'
"Old ones brought forth newer creations... the technology mimicking Jokaero"
Interestingly, they're contemporaries of the orks.

Old stuff.
Jokaero did have models back in the Rogue Trader days (almost everything in that book did, even if only 1 or 2). They were rather scary in some ways, since they could have almost anything under the sun in the way of weapons and equipment.
They were also never classified as intelligent. Apparently no one could tell, and their stats block had a ? under the INT stat (Leadership wasn't the only psychological stat those days. Intelligence, Cool, Willpower and Leadership were the four 'mental' stats. Different ones were used for different tests)

Anyway, digression over...

Gavmo
05-07-2005, 07:48
Very loosly related to the topic;
If you want to annoy the GW staffers in Australia, ask them when the race of Eldar cats will be released.
Some will be cool and laugh, others will get stroppy.
Have fun! :D

my_name_is_tudor
05-07-2005, 12:56
I actually really like the idea behind the Jokaero, I've always thought they were a very interesting concept. Perhaps the idea of them being apes is a bit daft, but the idea of giant warp-sensitive constructs that the Jokaero rebuild mid-flight in order to change direction sounds like a nice idea.

But, they wouldn't make a good army, I mean, its obvious that in this instance the referance was but a joke, but I wonder if chapter approved could contribute towards them in-game.. or I wonder if it would be possible to make a Tau army with Jokaero models, as counts-as force, or something.

Bryndyr
08-07-2005, 22:34
The Jokaero are on page 196-7 and 200 of the original RT rule book.

"Their physical appearance is of a heavy, orange furred ape, similar to the orang utang which roamed the ancient earth. This may or may not be a coincidence, for it is an established fact that the Slann created and modified many races at the dawn of time, and appear to have visited the earth on numerous occasions"

They have an innate ability with technology and astro physics, yet they have no language, culture or motivation higher than survival.

"Jokaero spaceships are a case in point. A Jokaero spacecraft looks like no other form of space transport, consisting entirely of an open framed lattice structure, forming a unique polyhedral structure. The structure draws energy from the galactic power currents simply by virtue of its shape, in a similar way to which force weapons channel psychic energy by virtue of their spiral patterns. Jokaero spaceships move, manouver, and transcend warp-space by means of making physical changes to the ship's shape, thereby altering the crafts relationship to the universal powers it employs, and modifying its place in the natural galactic order."

There is a lot more than this, stat lines etc but i ,ay have already overstepped what is allowed... :eek: :confused:

spud
16-07-2005, 01:02
That Codex would be all of what, 17-20 pages long?

Front Cover
Page 1. Table of contents
Page 2-3. Introduction
Page 4-8. Background
Page 9. Rules
Page 10-15. Painting Guide
Page 16. Fluff
Page 17. Reference sheet
Back Cover

Special rule: Eat a banana. When you find yourself in a dangerous situation build a tank out of a toothpick and some dental floss and kill everything. Eat more bananas.

Mojaco
17-07-2005, 00:52
Death Ferret! Brilliant. I can't believe it got through the concept phase at GW. That's like a Thunder Donkey or Skull Poodle. Someone needs a slap.

Silly hippies back then.

Brimstone
17-07-2005, 04:36
I've actually got a leaked picture of a HQ unit from the 'eavy metal pages of the new codex.

Reluctant to publish it before but what the hell.

http://www.pbase.com/brimstone/image/46291928.jpg

x-esiv-4c
17-07-2005, 04:39
Yay! get that picture up here, share the wealth :)

Shas'o'Fior
17-07-2005, 05:06
miniturization(sp?) hmmm.......anyone else here thinking S10 AP1 Pistols? or grenade sized cyclonic exterminatus missles?

Adama
17-07-2005, 07:00
My God you're all fools.

Mojaco
17-07-2005, 07:55
What the hell is that picture?! That style of painting doesn't look 20 years old...

Where did that come from?

Agamemnon2
17-07-2005, 09:31
That's a picture of an ape gang for the new Judge Dredd line, from Mongoose, I believe.

NAVARRO
17-07-2005, 11:21
Brimstone :evilgrin:

:D strange stuff, wen i saw moongose apes i also remembered jokaero and that they would look so damned funny... not my kind of army

Mr ape lord and bodyguard LOL

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/product_images/full_size/gmcapemutantbodyguard.jpg

Brimstone
17-07-2005, 11:37
Brimstone :evilgrin:

:D strange stuff, wen i saw moongose apes i also remembered jokaero and that they would look so damned funny... not my kind of army


I couldn't resist it. :p

sulla
17-07-2005, 18:47
I couldn't resist it. :p

Man, I want that monkey scratching his head...he can be my second calculus logi... :D

Kiro
18-07-2005, 00:56
Hopefully if they do they'll bring out Codex Nicassar, who wouldn't like a army of Psychic polar bears :D

What the hell is it with Polar Bears!?!
Please tell me you're joking!!!

Shinzui
18-07-2005, 01:21
What the hell is it with Polar Bears!?!
Please tell me you're joking!!!

According to Andy H that's what nicassar look like.

Slazton
18-07-2005, 01:23
Meh Andy H does not seem to know his elbow from his ******** :p

Sephiroth
18-07-2005, 01:27
What the hell is it with Polar Bears!?!
Please tell me you're joking!!!

He's right Kiro. According to Andy Hoare, before Portent went down, he described them roughly as "A polar bear that had evolved to a zero-G environment, and was short, but stretched (like a PJ-case :eyebrows: ). As different from a polar bear as a human is from the monkeys we evolved from, but still distinctly 'ursian'."

Kiro
18-07-2005, 04:09
Oh my stars...what a travesty. Floating Polar Bears? :wtf:
He must have been joking...he must have....he must have...