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txamil
28-10-2006, 20:20
With the new book out what effect does it have on the CDs?

Which units can CDs take? Can they take spider riders?

ZomboCom
28-10-2006, 20:59
I think the chaos dwarf list is pretty clear on the matter. They can take Orc Boyz, Goblins and 0-1 Black Orcs, all as special choices.

They do use the rules and point costs from the new army book though.

And no, they can't use spider riders, or anything else from the O+G book other than Orc Boyz, Goblins and Black Orcs.

metro_gnome
28-10-2006, 21:36
arrer boyz were allowed to be taken in the CD list according to WD 250...
which was released around the time the 6th ed O&G book was released...
otherwise it is as ZomboCom describes...

bamber
29-10-2006, 18:14
who cares any way if you takin CD's you want loads of bolt throwers anddeath rockets its not an orc army also instead of spending points on expensive orc units get some beasty bull centaurs 2 s6 attacks each for a basic guy on the charge is nails

Gorbad Ironclaw
29-10-2006, 18:16
Could it be because not everybody want to max out there list, but rather play with some units because they think it's fun?

txamil
29-10-2006, 18:21
Yeah I really want to screw around with spider riders.

Festus
29-10-2006, 18:54
Hi

Basically, there are two points to it:

1st - as the CD army is defined in the RH booklet and in a WD referring to an out of date O&G book, a certain leeway has to be given. From a background standpoint, it should include only generic O&G types: Orc Boyz (choose weapons), and gobbos (choose weapons), no mounts or some such. BOs are a creation of the CDs and as such are an integral part of the army.
In all cases, I'd refer to the most recent O&G armybook.

2nd - bamber is basically right: O&G unit other than BOs and Hobgobs are worse than anything the CDs have in their own list as CORE and they are not very characterful in the army: Choose Hobgobs or BO instead of Gobbos or Orcs...

Greetings
Festus

metro_gnome
29-10-2006, 19:24
well black orcs are useless in the list...
no S7 champs... no quell animosity... price hike... why would you take them?
new orc boyz are a fine for light infantry and bulky static CR...
easily competition for the overpriced undercrewed deathrocket...
or the unlapping around sneaky gitz...

but it is agreed that goblins were hosed beyond use in CD lists this edition...

druchii
30-10-2006, 01:55
or the unlapping around sneaky gitz...


Sneaky gitz can't lap around, since there is no lap around rule in 7th :(

metro_gnome
30-10-2006, 02:34
um... yeah... the prefix "un-" signifies that pretty specifically...
new Orc boyz blow them outta the water as counter charging shock troops...

druchii
30-10-2006, 04:38
um... yeah... the prefix "un-" signifies that pretty specifically...
new Orc boyz blow them outta the water as counter charging shock troops...


Sorry, didn't see the edit.

Glad you caught yourself.
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txamil
30-10-2006, 13:31
So how much are our Blorcs, and their equip options then?

Festus
30-10-2006, 14:16
It is all in the O&G armybook now...

Festus

txamil
30-10-2006, 18:25
OK. Blorcs are listed specifically in the CD lists (unlike gobbos and orcs which says plz see OandG), so I thought I should check.


Thanks Everyone.

Festus
30-10-2006, 19:43
Hi

Remember that the Greenskins in a CD army may not take magic standards, though...

Festus

metro_gnome
30-10-2006, 19:54
oh yes they can... as outlined in that same WD... WD250...
they follow all the upgrades for the given units...
so Black Orc or Big 'Uns may take a magic standard...
tho they are restricted to the standards available to the CD army (Warbanner, Banner of Slavery)...

Festus
30-10-2006, 20:00
Are you sure we have both read the same WD?

metro_gnome
30-10-2006, 21:21
i dunno... US WD250 page 11?

the unit entry has been replaced... and all that that entails...
the entry on page 32 of Ravening Hordes allows CDs and BCs to take magic banners...
it does not dissallow other units to take them... there is just no mechanic for it...
as the new unit entry allows standards on these two units... it is legal to use banner on them...

so Black orcs can take a standrd by their unit entry...
or if you upgrade your boyz to Big Un's you may take a magic standard up 50 points... as per the Big 'Un rules...

in 6th this was quite cumbersome as you had to have as many boyz and that meant at least two specials...
it is more accessable in 7th... but personally i wouldn't bother unless i had an obscene amount of green...
and i've already expressed my feelings on Blorcs...
personally paying more for my slaves than my dwarfs makes me feel dirty...

there is no online material on the matter...
well except the direwolf... and i do know how you feel about that...
still i will pass you the link... make of it what you will...
http://www.geocities.com/mi_whplayers/7th_faqs/cd_faq.txt

Shimmergloom
30-10-2006, 22:49
I don't know about orcs, but would anyone want to take 3pt goblins when you have 2pt core hobgoblins? Looks like not only sneaky gits, but goblins are out the door on CD lists now.

txamil
30-10-2006, 23:07
Totally agree.

Our specials are really depressing right now, but that's how it is.

metro_gnome
31-10-2006, 00:07
depressing? we have orcses...
yeah i used to run goblin stikkas...
used to be way cheaper than hobbie bowmen...
but now... no way...
shame that we cant take night gobbos...
net rulez are neato...