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CELS
04-11-2006, 09:26
Two questions;

1) Do I need to pay 25 points for a Chaos Space Marine lord, in addition to 35 points for the Chaos Space Marine crew? (Yes, I know I don't need to have both) So if I feel like being fluffy and getting an Emperor's Children cruiser with a chaos lord, chaos space marine crew and a mark of slaanesh, I'm paying 85 points on top of the normal cost? :cries:

2) The rules state that I need three cruisers or heavy cruisers per battleship, and the same applies to grand cruisers. Does this mean I could take a battleship, a grand cruiser and three cruisers? Or would it have to be six cruisers / heavy cruisers in order to take both a battleship and a grand cruiser?

Blagrot Squigbreff
04-11-2006, 11:49
Hi

1) yes if you want both to pay for both, only one has to have the Mark tho (I'm fairly sure only one can have the mark) the bonuses of the lord and CSM crew do stack.

2)Yes you can take a Battleship, Grand Cruiser, and 3 Cruisers, it's legal.

ReDavide
04-11-2006, 12:02
Do I need to pay 25 points for a Chaos Space Marine lord, in addition to 35 points for the Chaos Space Marine crew? (Yes, I know I don't need to have both) So if I feel like being fluffy and getting an Emperor's Children cruiser with a chaos lord, chaos space marine crew and a mark of slaanesh, I'm paying 85 points on top of the normal cost? :cries: Hmm... I'm not quite sure what your question here is.
You can get a cruiser with a chaos space marine crew & a Mark of Chaos.
You can get a cruiser with a chaos lord & a Mark of Chaos
You can get a cruiser with a chaos space marine crew & a chaos lord.
You can even get a cruiser with all three upgrades.
But yes, you need to pay the points cost for every upgrade you take, and you can't take a Mark unless you've got marines or a character on board.

And, well, it's perfectly fluffy for a ship to be commanded by regular chaos space marines without a lord. Hell, there are loyalist escorts that can be commanded by a single *squad* of marines. Lords can be limited to flagships & other particularly important vessels.


2) The rules state that I need three cruisers or heavy cruisers per battleship, and the same applies to grand cruisers. Does this mean I could take a battleship, a grand cruiser and three cruisers? Or would it have to be six cruisers / heavy cruisers in order to take both a battleship and a grand cruiser?Your cruisers never get "used up" when figuring out how many of the bigger ships you can take. The two cruisers you take to get a heavy cruiser can still be put toward the three you need for a battleship.
The required number of cruisers may be the same for grand cruisers & battleships, but they're still two different categories so your cruisers can count toward both.
So a fleet consisting of two cruisers, a heavy cruiser, a grand cruiser, and a battleship is perfectly legal.
Even though the chaos battleships aren't really the best eggs in the basket. Usable yes, but not a necessity unless you really like the models.

CELS
04-11-2006, 16:21
Ah, thanks, guys. You see, the reason I'm asking as that I want to do a pre-Heresy Death Guard fleet. That means I'll have Terminus Est as my flagship (Despoiler class), the Eisenstein as a frigate (or cruiser, depending on what the new and old fluff says), and so on. It definitely won't be the most tournament-effective army or anything, but it will be fluffy and cool. I will use the rules for Chaos Space Marine fleets, but will not have any marks of chaos or anything like that. For the Terminus Est, I'll use the normal Despoiler rules, not the post-Heresy ones.

This is also the reason I was wondering about chaos lords and chaos space marines, see. I wanted a ship to have terminators for teleport attacks, but to do that you need a chaos lord. And I don't like the idea of a Death Guard ship with a Death Guard captain and Terminator company to be beat by orks in a normal boarding action, for example, so thus I was considering getting a chaos space marine crew. But that would be 35+25+10= 70 points, and that's a bit much just for sake of being cool.