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ss_cherubael
11-11-2006, 03:04
hey as per the title, has anyone on these boards actually forked out for a manta?? and if so how did u manage to justify buying the thing?? and please post pics of it so we can salavate over something most of us will never have!:p

ShadowKitana
11-11-2006, 03:34
I doubt it. There is no justification to buying it. It is too big and fragile to use in a game and $1700 for something to sit and collect dust is a waist.

Playa
11-11-2006, 03:51
Hey,

Seventeen hundred bucks for a plastic fish?

Convert one of these:

http://www.mountthis.net/merchant/index.php?cPath=24_31

And save yourself 1500+ bucks . . .


* *Playa

Lord Humongous
11-11-2006, 03:57
I'm guessing if they do sell, it would be entirely as internal purchases, such as GW stores buying them as display pieces, and thus not at retail prices.

Seth the Dark
11-11-2006, 04:01
I certainly hope no one buys one of those. Utter wastse of money.

spikedog
11-11-2006, 04:02
According to my sources* in GW there have been at least 10 sales so far although I don't know to where or who.

*Disclaimer, my "source" is just some guy who I know that is head of GW Japan so don't read too much into it, it could very well be crap.

Nazguire
11-11-2006, 04:04
According to my sources* in GW there have been at least 10 sales so far although I don't know to where or who.

*Disclaimer, my "source" is just some guy who I know that is head of GW Japan so don't read too much into it, it could very well be crap.

I'd expect those crazy Japanese businessmen to have bought some at least lol :p

devolutionary
11-11-2006, 04:04
I certainly hope no one buys one of those. Utter wastse of money.

That's the joy of money - You earn it, so you can spend it on what ya please :)


I would, if I could. And then I'd go Loota on it just to add insult to injury for my tau playing friend ;)

stonefox
11-11-2006, 04:09
Yeah, some guy in another (Tau) forum I frequent bought one. He has his own stickied thread on top of the modelling forum regarding his WIP.

Reflex
11-11-2006, 04:10
i know of someone who knows someone who i have met once is buying one. he won a ******** on the melbourne cup so he decided a manta was in order.

xibo
11-11-2006, 07:43
Um I'd buy a Manta if I'd like it. Come on guys, we collect GW minis... we're used to pay horrendous prices for our 'toys'.

WindSoul
11-11-2006, 08:07
Why not buy alot more other toys for the same amount of money. You can start a new army with the money instead of buying the Manta, hell I don't know if the people who buy it ever will be able to use it. If thats the case then I think it's a waste of money. Start a new army or buy more to your current one instead, much more useful.

Adept
11-11-2006, 08:37
I certainly hope no one buys one of those. Utter wastse of money.

Nonsense. People spend more money on collectable display pieces all the time. My dad spent $3,000 on a replica Spartan helmet from Greece, once.

Hokkaido23
11-11-2006, 08:38
Lets be real. If practicality really was the bottom line we'd all be driving subcompact 2-door, 3 cylinder Ford Fiesta, or some other cheap car -- since all cars can get us to the same place, right? People buy H3s and big houses and Tau Mantas cause they like to have toys. Im sure someone out there has bought one just to have as a conversation piece or display model, just like the millions of other impractical items sold every day around the world.

Gaebriel
11-11-2006, 08:50
I read someone on this forum stating he bought one.

And why not? Such models are not bought for actually fielding them. They're display pieces. I would buy one if I was a Tau player - as things go, I'll buy a couple of Thunderhawks instead.

If someone has the money to shell out for it, it's likely they have enough models to play with already.

Tastyfish
11-11-2006, 10:02
I was tempted, but there is less interior detail than I would have liked so probably going to try to convert my own (though it won't be for a year or so, need a bigger flat first).

You have a link to that Manta thread on the other forum? Had a look at Tau online but couldn't see it there

ss_cherubael
11-11-2006, 15:48
so pretty much there is no one here who has got one. They are nice minis i guess but the price goes beyond even the horrendous prices we usually pay out to FW for their fantastic minis. I think sanity would prevail and the person would buy a few more armies or other FW stuff before the manta if they had 1700 ear marked for warhammer stuff. Can u get us a link to that forum where the guy is building and painting one please as i want to find out the justification for buying!

Gaebriel
11-11-2006, 16:06
Justification? Makes it sound like 895.00 is a sin... Honestly, I know people who spent more on much stranger things (I am one of them :p ) - it's not a sum that a person with a moderate income couldn't spend on their hobby, though it most likely is out of pocket-money range.

The real question that bugs me is if there are gaming groups that have regular clashes between Baneblade/Titan/Thunderhawk/Manta-sized models on their tables.

And if they have a photo-blog...

strv
11-11-2006, 16:12
Dreams of a big display with a thunderhawk just pulling away after landing 20 or so space marines, who are at the moment blasting away at kroots!

So I'm sure of people buying those things.

Tastyfish
11-11-2006, 16:32
Took a while to hunt it down (ended up having to search for stonefox and tau rather than manta) but here it is (http://advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?t=3143)

AinuLainour
11-11-2006, 17:24
Took a while to hunt it down (ended up having to search for stonefox and tau rather than manta) but here it is (http://advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?t=3143)

That thing is massive. Just massive.

Thanks for the link :)

Rick_1138
11-11-2006, 17:40
A guy that went down to UK Games Day with us from Aberdeen bought one.

Comes in 2 Huge cardboard boxes (i.e. the one they deliver stuff in in the Store, i.e 35 * 35 inch cube) 2 of those taped together.

The funny thing was, the guy wasn't well off, he had a job, on minimum wage, he just basically didn't spend anything fopr about 2 months and that months wages he took with him he also spent....so basically he had to sponge of his folks for a month.


The thing we layghed at is, where the hell are you gonna put it, it takes up a massive amount of space, and takes ages to build, and unless you have got a fiar bit of moddeling and airbrush experience, it would not do that kind of money, justice, i.e. it wont lok very good.


But he is happy.

I bought a thunderbolt, i felt £75 was easily justified!

inq.serge
11-11-2006, 18:11
I would want one; Inq.scale!
I however wouldn't want to pay more then 14.

Hmmmmmmm, Does anyone know any good CAD program, and how to "Print out 3d models from CAD files?"

Here I come PB

Orbital
11-11-2006, 22:39
I doubt it. There is no justification to buying it. It is too big and fragile to use in a game and $1700 for something to sit and collect dust is a waist.

So you're saying that you believe Forgeworld is so clueless that they'd build something like the Manta without having done any market research whatsoever ahead of time to determine whether anyone would buy it?

Ixe
11-11-2006, 22:44
Forgeworld doesn't have to do market research. First of all, it's basically a guarantee that they'll sell some of everything they make, just because they make it. They make quality products, and there's always a store owner or a nutcase who wants it somewhere.

Second, they cast their models to-order, so they don't have to worry about selling off a stock of them.

Third, their models are so expensive that they probably don't need to sell very many to make back what they spent on sculpting it, and they don't need to sell many more than that to make a profit.

Orbital
11-11-2006, 22:46
Forgeworld doesn't have to do market research.
Every company has to do market research.

Some guy (UK)
11-11-2006, 23:36
Actually, they don't. If they want to be successful, then they do :p

Later, Some Guy

intellectawe
12-11-2006, 00:11
Yup. If anyone thinks GW does research that is meaningful...

Killgore
12-11-2006, 00:22
Firstly to the people who say its a waste of money for gaming...

Shut up.

ForgeWorld have always said they create this stuff for collectors and expert modelers, not for some 14 year old to take to his local store (thou there was a 14 year old at my local store a few years ago who got bought a Baneblade, hes since given up 40k and sold the Baneblade to me haha)

the Manta would make a fantastic display piece for any games workshop hobby shop and i beleave customers would travel far and wide to join in a participation event against a Manta, just like they would against a Titan

The Manta wont be a instant sellout, but think how long FW have been making Blaneblades, at least 5-6 years now, think of all the thats been made from BB sales? this will be true with the manta.

Long live ForgeWorld and their specialist products!

Orbital
12-11-2006, 00:58
Yup. If anyone thinks GW does research that is meaningful...

I'm a little fed up with this kind of talk.

Games Workshop is a publically traded company with teams of people in every country whose sole job is to figure out how to get GW to make more money. These are people who know all the inside working of the company, and are privy to every figure and number that comes from selling any product. They are *legally* responsible to their shareholders, which means that maximizing profit is not a joke to them.

Enter the Warseer armchair accountant: Most of the time completely uneducated in business and how it works and almost never actually a professional. This person has no view on the inner workings of GW and can only guess at the sales figures (and I don't mean the yearly profit reports, which don't provide enough information to understand how to change the product line in order to maximize profits).

Armchair accountant throws off statements as if they're fact: "Games Workshop doesn't do enough market research", "[Such and so product] would sell way better if they did what I say", "Games Workshop has failed, but would have succeeded if they had only listened to me"... on and on it goes.

The people at GW have more experience keeping GW afloat, as well as a more vested interest in seeing that happen. I'm a little weary of people talking as if all GW has to do to solve its financial ills is to log into Warseer and read a thread called "Y GW IS TEH SUXXX".

Rant over.

ss_cherubael
12-11-2006, 02:53
hey orbital mate, if your going to post on this thread keep to the question at hand please.
Ok let me say something, im not on a massive income and i spend a fair part of that income on minis i just dont think i could save up for the manta or even a titan and lay down that kind of money with out going "hmmm i could do another 3 imperial guard armies with that much money..." thats what i meant by justification how is it possible for the manta to out weigh another several armies.

Orbital
12-11-2006, 03:07
hey orbital mate, if your going to post on this thread keep to the question at hand please.
Ok let me say something, im not on a massive income and i spend a fair part of that income on minis i just dont think i could save up for the manta or even a titan and lay down that kind of money with out going "hmmm i could do another 3 imperial guard armies with that much money..." thats what i meant by justification how is it possible for the manta to out weigh another several armies.

I think I stay on topic just fine 99 times out of 100. Thanks. :)

The original question has morphed into a discussion of whether or not Forgeworld is or isn't smart for putting out the Manta. I was just noting (and I think I'm on track by saying so) that armchair economists mislead other readers by speaking with an authority

Obviously the Manta isn't for everyone. Not everyone has to have one in their garage for it to have been a worthwhile product to release. BMW may only have (I'm guessing here) 5% of the market, but it's not like that company made a mistake by making cars the way they have. They make products for a specific market and they serve it well. Just like Forgeworld.

The pestilent 1
12-11-2006, 03:35
Right, I want a scale Sword escort, and I wont be hearing any nay-sayers! :p


Although an Epic scale Cruiser would be interesting...

intellectawe
12-11-2006, 03:58
I am not misleading anyone about anything.

If new players want to think GW cares about them, they can go over to the GW forums and see how much care they recieve...

I would never buy the Manta. Just over priced for what it is.

Orbital
12-11-2006, 04:09
I don't imagine that the mods here are eager to see you escalating this into an argument, much less an off-topic one.

In a calm, dispassionate way, I'll briefly recap my point: My opinion about armchair economists who think they know all about how GW should be run is that they sometimes give others the impression they know more about the matter than they really do merely by speaking in concrete terms, such as "GW doesn't care about you". And I think that's misleading.

You asked what my point was, and that was it.

I'm not planning to buy the Tau Manta, either... but I know that some segment of the market will be happy to.

ss_cherubael
12-11-2006, 04:21
ok thats great youve spoken your peace now either contribute some other gem of insight or dont bother posting.
So pretty much no one here has actually bought one?
I had a look over on the tau tactics forum at that guys WIP one, its a beast! although i would hazard a guess that it is easier to build than a titan! if you want to buy one go ahead, i will just be expecting pictures and a step by step guide, its the least you could do......lol

Gaebriel
12-11-2006, 09:29
If I really remember GW and Forge World with it has a number of celebrity and/or swimming in money clients. And how these people just go on ordering throwing in a couple of these (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/fort.htm) and those (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/anphelionbase.htm), which easily outrun the Manta costwise.

Then there are those who played for a decade or more having accumulated all the armies they would ever want, and look for a new challenge or centerpiece to spend their money/time on.

As well as those who don't use tables under 8x6 and when playing extended scenarioes or megabattles anyway can easily incorporate superheavies.

As been said above, it wouldn't take many models to be sold to make back the development cost, they probably break even after the initial sales.

What would bother me with Mantas, as well as with Thunderhawks would be how to base it to acceptably put it ontop the table. How are Vultures/Lightnings/Thunderbolts based?

Scythe
12-11-2006, 12:41
They aren't, as far as I know. If you want some kind of base, you have to make it yourself.

On topic: what's wrong with buying a Manta? Sure it is expensive, but then, it is a bit of a collecters piece. He, if I had money and played Tau, I would buy one, just for the hell of it. ;)

And I can't see it selling worse as the other super expensive things forgeworld has, eg the imperial fortification and the amphelion base.

Latro_
12-11-2006, 13:11
I'd buy one, leave it in a shed for 15 years
then sell it on ebay for lots and lots and lots of money

Kamin_Majere
12-11-2006, 13:27
I'd buy one, leave it in a shed for 15 years
then sell it on ebay for lots and lots and lots of money

Couldnt they just buy it from forgeword still:p

The manta is a nice model and if i ever decide to blow 1700 bucks on a model it would be that, but i doubt i'll ever do it. I no longer own a store so eye candy isnt really needed anymore, and i dispise models that are all flat surfaces (even if the interior of the manta is nice)

Tastyfish
12-11-2006, 14:07
Anphelion base and the Fortress walls are not really designed for single collectors really, I imagine the idea is more that a gaming club of 20 or so members could quite easily get the cash together for a really fancy bit of terrain (£30 each, or even just 50p a week would get you the Fortress at the end of the year as a big club christmas present).

The Manta is more for serious collectors, as well as being a bit of marketing - when looking for that Manta link there were hundreds of Starship and military modelling sites that where discussing it, quite often with someone showing off another model they got from there after checking out the site. Its also quite an attention grabber at conventions or so.

More importantly as far as Forgeworld is concerned, there really only needs to be one person who is desperate for a Manta and thats the designer. Being able to sell them on as well is just the icing on the cake to these people.

Minister
12-11-2006, 15:12
More importantly as far as Forgeworld is concerned, there really only needs to be one person who is desperate for a Manta and thats the designer. Being able to sell them on as well is just the icing on the cake to these people.And there's the crux of the matter. Forgeworld, unlike GW propper, seem to be quite happy with making nifty stuff that will pay off the morgages and keep the factory running, rather than building a multi-national wargaming empire.

Slaaneshi Slave
12-11-2006, 15:34
Why are all the people in that thread seeming to think 900 on a toy is a lot? Its only about 10 nights out on the beer, or two weekends away.

Minister
12-11-2006, 16:19
Why are all the people in that thread seeming to think 900 on a toy is a lot? Its only about 10 nights out on the beer, or two weekends away.

For myself it's more like 90 nights out "on the beer" (or other assorted alcoholic beverages, in my case), or about three years' worth.

More significantly, and more to the point, it's several armies' worth for 40K/fantasy, plus a battlefleet and a few Mordheim/Necromunda warbands/gangs, with enough left over for a couple of computer games.

bladestalker
12-11-2006, 16:33
Justification? Makes it sound like 895.00 is a sin... Honestly, I know people who spent more on much stranger things (I am one of them :p ) - it's not a sum that a person with a moderate income couldn't spend on their hobby, though it most likely is out of pocket-money range.

The real question that bugs me is if there are gaming groups that have regular clashes between Baneblade/Titan/Thunderhawk/Manta-sized models on their tables.

And if they have a photo-blog...

There is a Yahoo group called mega battles That I sub to that has irregular battles on this scale.

Tastyfish
12-11-2006, 17:07
Going out on a weekend can be pricy if you want to go to a big club - £10/12 entry, £4 a drink and £10-20 on a taxi each way. Of course doing this every week (or at all) is madness.

Minister
12-11-2006, 17:14
As do I. I am of famous stingeyness.

ss_cherubael
12-11-2006, 17:32
900 pound for an aussie due to the conversion rate is nutts. and when i only devote some of my budget to wargamming (still a considerable part) it isnt worth saving for it, i would prefer the other armies or a few nights out and the armies. and seriously if your laying down 90 quid on drinks a night you should be dead

Hena
12-11-2006, 18:46
I still wouldn't buy the tau Manta. It does look nice, but the only way I would buy it is if it came with all the stuff it could fit inside.
So when are you going to get it as it comes with the stuff that fits inside it :D. The firewarriors are all in sitting position though, so for normal use you are going to need some of them bought separately.


Forgeworld site writes
The kit includes two Devilfish, two Hammerheads, eight Battlesuits, six Gun Drones and one Black and one White Tau decal sheet.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/TAU_AIRCRAFT.html

Mr Zephy
12-11-2006, 21:25
I think i might have heard about the same guy...

But seriously the Manta is a nice bit of kit, and, if you're into those sort of models and display pieces, you get your money's worth. If you're not you dont, as simple as that.

Scythe
13-11-2006, 07:37
900 pound for an aussie due to the conversion rate is nutts. and when i only devote some of my budget to wargamming (still a considerable part) it isnt worth saving for it, i would prefer the other armies or a few nights out and the armies. and seriously if your laying down 90 quid on drinks a night you should be dead

Point is, people even considering the manta probably have 10+ armies lying around already...;)

Khornies & milk
13-11-2006, 08:05
My uncle has 3 of the FW Superheavy Tanks on display in his Home Office.

the Maximillian Weissmann one, a Stormsword and a Baneblade.

He's an ex Nam' vet and loves tanks.

He has seen the Manta, but won't buy 1 because well, it's not a Tank.

cheers

ss_cherubael
13-11-2006, 09:33
hey scythe i have 10+ armies sitting around myself and i would still buy more before a manta, come on how may guard regiments are there????

Scythe
13-11-2006, 10:04
Well, it is up to personal preference then I guess. In a way, the Manta is an army on its own...:D

Adept
13-11-2006, 13:33
hey scythe i have 10+ armies sitting around myself and i would still buy more before a manta, come on how may guard regiments are there????

See, I think thats redundant. I constantly turn my armies over. Currently I have a Space Marine army, a Tyranid army and an Imperial Guard army. I'm selling the Imperial Guard and Tyranid armies, in order to fund a Tau army. When the Tau army is finished, I'll sell the Marines, probably to fund some Eldar.

Buying, painting and keeping more than ten seperate armies is just madness. Not only will the painting standards of the original armies be much lower than the newer ones (unless your painting abilities have stagnated) but many of your armies will just spend time gathering dust in their boxes. Further, if you want to try something new or different, you will still need to buy new units and changes between editions will mean you still need to update those armies.

In contrast, buying a Manta for a display piece seems like a good investment. If people are prepared to spend however many thousand dollars on horses, motorcycles or cars as their hobbies, how can one claim a Manta is an unjustifiable expense?

Darkseer
13-11-2006, 13:36
I'd rather buy a cheap car than a Tau Manta.

I don't have to assemble it, paint it and I can pick up chicks in it...or try to.

Scythe
13-11-2006, 13:59
I'd rather buy a cheap car than a Tau Manta.

I don't have to assemble it, paint it and I can pick up chicks in it...or try to.

And a manta doesn't cost you gas, insurance and maintenance after you bought it.

You can't really compare the two, now can you? If I would buy a car, I would buy it because I need it to travel with, not because I would like or enjoy it.

Sure, some people like collecting old cars, but if I had the choice between a second (redundant, in my opinion) car, and a manta, I knew what I would choose. In the end it is both money wasted on things you don't need and aren't really usefull. What you buy in the end depends on yourself.

Captain Brown
13-11-2006, 16:27
Gentlemen,

Please review the stuck post by Brimstone on GW Price Rants (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1124). Although this thread did not start out as one, you can see how quickly it morphs into arguments and spam. There have been posts reported on this thread and now we are going to take a closer look.

Thread Closed.

Captain Brown
WarSeer Inquisition