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7thOffensive
13-11-2006, 23:54
I need you to pour over your arcane tomes and find out what this is exactly:

http://webpages.charter.net/obiwan/dump/hat.jpg

That white icon that looks like a funny hat in a circle.

In dawn of war it's the upgrade to allow you to build more heavy weapons per squad. Like heavy bolters, missile launchers, plasma ect.

It's always bothered me. I have no idea what that symbol is.

Somebody said it's a chevron or something..

marv335
13-11-2006, 23:59
it's a devastator marine icon.

Acolyte
13-11-2006, 23:59
PLEASE edit the title.
Hardcore fluffer just sounds so horribly wrong...:rolleyes:

Anyways, that is, IIRC, the Heavy Support symbol for the Guard.

7thOffensive
14-11-2006, 00:00
so which is it? heavy support symbol for the guard or devastator squads?

Steel_Legion
14-11-2006, 00:01
looks like a space marine dev triangle yeah, hense more heavy weapon goodness but couldnt be sure
Edit: I believe guard dont even get heavy weapon markings... just a different squad number IIRC

marv335
14-11-2006, 00:02
devastator.

tactical squads have an arrow, assault squads have a saltire, devastators have a chevron.
codex astartes basics.
look at the shoulder pads on the GW online store bits catalogue (assuming you can still get them)

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947010132256&orignav=10

here they are, not brilliant pictures but you get the idea.

Gen.Steiner
14-11-2006, 00:07
Yep, as others have said, it's (one of) the emblem(s) for Space Marine Devastator squads.

Note also that in 4th Edition it's used to denote Heavy Support choices in the early 'dexes (pre-Eldar, I think).

ashc
14-11-2006, 00:26
i concur with everything that has been said already on here; the devastator markings for a standard codex space marine to wear on his right shoulderpad.

Ash

7thOffensive
14-11-2006, 00:30
thanks guys.

xibo
14-11-2006, 09:20
how about simply an up-icon?
all my guard seargents have it as bagdes of rank...

AventineCrusader
14-11-2006, 09:31
If you want to get super specific, its the force organisation symbol for Heavy Support in the Chaos Space Marine book. Check out pg. 21, Chaos Codex...

Crusader

xibo
14-11-2006, 09:33
If you want to get super specific, its the force organisation symbol for Heavy Support in the Chaos Space Marine book. Check out pg. 21, Chaos Codex...

Crusader
doesn't the DoW SM Armoury use the same Icon?

jubilex
14-11-2006, 09:48
Do you people realise that you have admitted to being hardcore fluffers by responding to this? Oh no, so have I now!! Its a devastator symbol.

ss_cherubael
14-11-2006, 09:53
lmfao! dream job this is not...
its a dev symbol not an up symbol or anything else and yes the sm have the same symbol

Slaaneshi Slave
14-11-2006, 10:22
Up-symbol?! Its called a chevron, and in most armies it points down, not up.

Gen.Steiner
14-11-2006, 10:25
Up-symbol?! Its called a chevron, and in most armies it points down, not up.

Exactly. Thank you for saving me from losing brain cells in pointing this out. :)


If you want to get super specific, its the force organisation symbol for Heavy Support in the Chaos Space Marine book. Check out pg. 21, Chaos Codex...

Actually, your super specific abilities are wasted. As I said - all 4th Edition 'dexes with the possible exception of the Eldar one (as I've not looked at it yet) and many later 3rd Edition 'dexes use the Codex Astartes squad badges as Force Org symbols.

That is:

Skull = HQ
Cross = Veteran (Elites)
Arrow = Tactical (Troops)
Saltire = Assault (Fast Attack)
Chevron = Devastator (Heavy Support)

Minister
14-11-2006, 10:57
However, the ones in the Chaos books are pointy, warped, debased and generally evilified whilst still being recognisably the same symbols.

Siam-Tiger
14-11-2006, 11:18
PLEASE edit the title.
Hardcore fluffer just sounds so horribly wrong...:rolleyes:
...

Hmm, its not wrong, its just a complete different meaning ^^

@Topic

Afaik its just the heavy / support units symbol.

Sir_Turalyon
14-11-2006, 13:56
Hmm, its not wrong, its just a complete different meaning ^^


It's sick... fluff should be soft and nice, by definition... Hardcore fluffers sounds like malicious people who stuff bricks into people's pillows . Very, very bad people. Very sick.

@ topic

Most likely general imperial iconography (including guard iconography) borrows from Codex Astrates,


-What are you reading?
-Codex Astrates, dude! It's only book I ever read!

and chaos codex uses same basic icons to underline their corruption...

Gen.Steiner
14-11-2006, 14:07
Most likely general imperial iconography (including guard iconography) borrows from Codex Astrates

Nah, the Guard uses the Codex: Imperialis and the Tactica Imperium in addition to sector, sub-sector, warzone, and segmentum specific treatises, theses, orders, and so on.

Sir_Turalyon
14-11-2006, 14:24
Last I checked, Codex:Imperialis is an compliacion of several pre and post-heresy authors (Perturanbo on siedges, etc), and can borrow elements from Codex: Astrates. Guilliman was one of co-authors of it, anyway.

Onisuzume
14-11-2006, 14:27
Last I checked, Codex:Imperialis is an compliacion of several pre and post-heresy authors (Perturanbo on siedges, etc), and can borrow elements from Codex: Astrates. Guilliman was one of co-authors of it, anyway.
Isn't it odd that the writings of the traitor primarch Perturabo is still being used?

Siam-Tiger
14-11-2006, 15:09
It's sick... fluff should be soft and nice, by definition... Hardcore fluffers sounds like malicious people who stuff bricks into people's pillows . Very, very bad people. Very sick.


Well, In urban language fluffers are those girls who keep the male pornstars entertained during the scenes. And hardcore fluffers ... well count 1 and 1 together ... :D

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fluffer

Sir_Turalyon
14-11-2006, 15:30
Gasp! By your intervention even my literal understanding of english failed to protect my innocence!

At least I knew there was something sick with it...

@ topic: No. I assume his writings made it into cannon before he went traitor and just stayed there.

Forbiddenknowledge
14-11-2006, 15:58
I do believe its a symbol evolved from the early christian/pagan times to denote a phallus, or the male aspect.

Quite why dawn of war uses phallus emblems, well ;)

Gen.Steiner
14-11-2006, 16:19
Last I checked, Codex:Imperialis is an compliacion of several pre and post-heresy authors (Perturanbo on siedges, etc), and can borrow elements from Codex: Astrates. Guilliman was one of co-authors of it, anyway.

Indeed it is. However, the Codex Astartes deals specifically with the Space Marines of the Adeptus Astartes. The Imperial Guard takes no notice of information within it, as it does not apply to them (the Guard not being 8' tall superhumans).

Sir_Turalyon
14-11-2006, 16:44
Yep, but they can borrow some universal iconography, especially if Guilliman was one who compiled and codified this book (and knowing his love of paperwork and codifying things, he properly was). As he also loved forcing Ultramarines standards down everyone's throats, these markings were probably originaly used by pre-heresy Ultramarines before he codified them as symbols of veterans / tacticals / devastators / assault squads (as shown on pictures of pre-heresy Ultras) . When later he compiled various sources into Codex Imperialis, it's likely he once again gave it Ultramarinish shape and looks.

Deadite
14-11-2006, 16:48
Up-symbol?! Its called a chevron, and in most armies it points down, not up.

though, a thorough google search will show plenty of heavy support tanks and other vehicles with the symbol pointed up or even horizontal. Like this one (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tomtownsend-toyland.com/toyland/persian_gulf_war_australian_centurion.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tomtownsend-toyland.com/toyland/persian_gulf_war_australian_centurion.htm&h=210&w=360&sz=16&hl=en&start=9&tbnid=lsxTfmGSwrBlkM:&tbnh=71&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgulf%2Bwar%2Btanks%26svnum%3D10%26hl% 3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff), or this one (http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/m1-tank-ch.jpg), or this one (http://www.mksmc.co.uk/images/tanks/m1a1.jpg) heck even on die-cast models (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hobbyworldinc.com/9800057.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hobbyworldinc.com/diecast06.html&h=232&w=493&sz=41&hl=en&start=54&tbnid=BGnFVdmOCMITcM:&tbnh=61&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgulf%2Bwar%2Btanks%26start%3D40%26nds p%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff %26sa%3DN) they seem to vary in direction.
Just do a search and you'll find plenty of reference pictures.

It's just a chevron denoting heavy support in the Warhammer world.

Slaaneshi Slave
15-11-2006, 09:01
Well the one on my uniform most definately points up.


I do believe its a symbol evolved from the early christian/pagan times to denote a phallus, or the male aspect.

Quite why dawn of war uses phallus emblems, well

It does indeed originate as a phallus symbol. The army started off (and is still largely today) a male dominated organisation. The more/larger phalluses you have, the higher your rank.

> Lance Corporal
>> Corporal
>>> Sergeant.

AventineCrusader
15-11-2006, 10:50
Actually, your super specific abilities are wasted. As I said - all 4th Edition 'dexes with the possible exception of the Eldar one (as I've not looked at it yet) and many later 3rd Edition 'dexes use the Codex Astartes squad badges as Force Org symbols.

You seem to have missed the point, as by super specific I meant that exact same symbol, down to the corruption and all. They may all use symbols very, very similar to that, but only the Chaos book uses that exact same one...

Crusader

chromedog
15-11-2006, 12:07
I've seen a very similar symbol used on contemporary armoured vehicles, but the chevron is sometimes on its side like this [ < ].

I watched jarhead recently and saw it on some of the tanks.

Slaaneshi Slave
15-11-2006, 14:28
You seem to have missed the point, as by super specific I meant that exact same symbol, down to the corruption and all. They may all use symbols very, very similar to that, but only the Chaos book uses that exact same one...

Crusader

The reason they all use them same symbols is because the Codeci are written from the Imperiums point of view. Chaos actually do use the same symbols because they once were Imperial, and an army doesn't change the way it is structured (a great deal) just because it changed alliagence.

Gen.Steiner
15-11-2006, 15:16
You seem to have missed the point, as by super specific I meant that exact same symbol, down to the corruption and all. They may all use symbols very, very similar to that, but only the Chaos book uses that exact same one...

Ah, I see. Fair enough. :p


I've seen a very similar symbol used on contemporary armoured vehicles, but the chevron is sometimes on its side like this [ < ].

I watched jarhead recently and saw it on some of the tanks.

Yes, that's a campaign or force marking. The Israelis were, I think, the first to paint the < on their vehicles.

It's just a recognition symbol, in much the same way as stencilling K-FOR or S-FOR or even UNMOVIC or UN or what-have-you is.