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Ordo Hereticus
09-07-2005, 19:29
Heard that sometime next year or end of this year, carn't remember which, that GW are bringing out a new race, anyone know what race this will be?

I was lead to believe some sort of new alien race, though the guys were a bit mist and didn't want to say too much as it was "top secret" :/

Anyone any clue?

Penitent
09-07-2005, 19:36
My guess is that your source was either misinformed, or pulling your leg. There are some pretty solid leads on what the next two codices will be, and some reasonable guesses for the two beyond that.

I don't want GW doing anything new until orks/eldar get their much-needed revisions.

Ordo Hereticus
09-07-2005, 19:40
This was to be made like next Summer, or so they said.

I dont think it was a joke as the people i talk to dont tend to le, especially about this kind of thing, as they also sounded quite excited

Brimstone
09-07-2005, 19:43
I doubt we will have a new race anytime soon, however we may get a new armylist and model range from a already existing faction.

Not sure about the proposed date though.

Brother Muninn
09-07-2005, 19:44
*shrugs* however, as per the Tau rumors they could be getting some solid close combat mercs. So it could be possible for the Tau to have reeled yet another race into their "happy-peace-love-joy-or-we-kill-your-people" fold.

Brimstone
09-07-2005, 19:46
*shrugs* however, as per the Tau rumors they could be getting some solid close combat mercs. So it could be possible for the Tau to have reeled yet another race into their "happy-peace-love-joy-or-we-kill-your-people" fold.

That's possible as the Tau are said to be getting new allies in their upcoming codex.

Doubt they will be close combat specialists though.

Incognito
09-07-2005, 19:59
Maybe the Tau will be getting a unit that has mostly 4s for a statline, a 3+ save, and a unit that could be armed with either bolters or chainswords and bolt pistols.

That should take care of their badly needed 'resilient and close combat oriented' race that they don't think the Kroot are fit for.

Mojaco
09-07-2005, 20:00
Only reliable mention of a new codex would be the Alien-hunters, mentioned several times already (even in the 40K rulebook).

Other then that the Tau is the only place where new races can just pop up. Personally I'm expecting Demiurg, but on a VERY small scale (like Chaos Dwarfs in Fantasy: just the Hellcanon).

Penitent
09-07-2005, 20:04
Maybe the Tau will be getting a unit that has mostly 4s for a statline, a 3+ save, and a unit that could be armed with either bolters or chainswords and bolt pistols.

That should take care of their badly needed 'resilient and close combat oriented' race that they don't think the Kroot are fit for.

If Tau are going to get a CC unit, I'd like to see something like Ork bikers. You know, the entire shoot-on-the-charge thing.

Rabid Bunny 666
09-07-2005, 20:08
i'd like to see a kind of 0-1 tactically flexible choice, maybe using krootox and hounds as upgrades to a kroot unit rather than seperate choices

Mojaco
09-07-2005, 20:09
I hope mister Incognito was making a joke there btw. We don't need the single most original list to get marine (or similar) allies.

Sarcasm is hard to spot in print.

nurglich
10-07-2005, 13:49
I thought it was safe to assume that the Tau would be getting a new race but not one new to the game. I heard it would be human defecters... ;) not sure if the source is realible tho

grizzly ruin
10-07-2005, 15:55
I hope mister Incognito was making a joke there btw. We don't need the single most original list to get marine (or similar) allies.

Sarcasm is hard to spot in print.





Maybe the Tau will be getting a unit that has mostly 4s for a statline, a 3+ save, and a unit that could be armed with either bolters or chainswords and bolt pistols.

That should take care of their badly needed 'resilient and close combat oriented' race that they don't think the Kroot are fit for.


That could be nothing other than the thickest of sarcasm. :p

Jal'knock
10-07-2005, 16:14
I thought it was safe to assume that the Tau would be getting a new race but not one new to the game. I heard it would be human defecters... ;) not sure if the source is realible tho

Well they have those already. Just lets hope there will never be any such thing as Tau Space Marines *shudder*

Insane Psychopath
10-07-2005, 16:53
There was talk about a new race that the UK GT heat 2 senimar (sp).

I don't know much, it just my friend where talking about a new race for 2 year from the UK GT. Also he did get throw out for asking if it was squats lol.

But there is plans for a new race in 40k, just that all at is planned right now.

Saethiel
10-07-2005, 17:37
Well, the tau already have a pretty cool alien race helping them out..... in BFG.

I think it would be cool to have a single nicassar (or three) as a heavy support choice a la zoanthropes. The fluff for them is similar, incredibly psychic race that cant even move in normal gravity without use of thier powers. Maybe they could have some warp-blast like power... but thats not really something the tau need. (they have enought str. 10 guns already). I think it would be cool for them to field a single nicassar as an elites choice, who just sits immobile on the battlefield and acts like a psychic hood. Or perhaps some tau earth caste could design a battlesuit for them?

I just think the tau need some psychic love, and the nicassar are the only way they could possibly get it.

Sephiroth
10-07-2005, 17:40
Well, the tau already have a pretty cool alien race helping them out..... in BFG.

Yeah, sadly the Nicassar can't survive in gravity for very long, according to Pete Haines, so they won't turn up on the 40K battlefields.

alterion
10-07-2005, 17:51
i would guess/ hope / speculate widly it could well be the niccasar in a psycic battlesuit( counld't the tau givee one to allow them to move in normal gravity.. but i don;t think they are gonna get an entire new race anytime soon.

Warlord Gnashgrod
10-07-2005, 17:57
Yeah, a whole new race for 40K doesn't seem to likely in the near future. But as a possible auxiliary for the Tau, or something put into the Xenos Alienhunters book, something might be in the works.

But I wouldn't count on it.

highmarshaldave
10-07-2005, 18:00
Agreed. They have the Tau expansion, the four "main" Marine chapters and Alien Hunters to concentrate on (as well as some much needed updates: Orks, Eldar and Dark Eldar). It'd take up too much resources to create another new race so soon (i mean, 2 in four years!). But I'll wait and see if GW are gonna pull something out of the hat.

Dave out.

Triceron
10-07-2005, 19:58
as much as I'd like to see a new race (opposed to all the elite Hunter SM splinter armies, ugh) GW really needs to sort priorities and fix up existing races, or at least polish them off.

Dark Eldar... What are we going to do with you? Roughly 4 pages of fluff and a history that barely breaks them away from their fantasy equivalents? They need a complete makeover, or be done with as a lone army (Personal opinion). Dark Eldar lack purpose in 40k, attacking and raiding only so they can maintain their emotions... What a grand plan! Everything they do is for the sake of pleasing Slaanesh, so I'd rather see Chaos split into the 4 groups and take in other defined races into their mix (Maybe a fifth for Undivided). DE for Slaanesh, Hrud for Nurgle, those mutant Space Wolves for Khorne... Would make it more purposeful than what we have right now. My two cents.

CassiusDraconis
10-07-2005, 21:03
I always thought that Dark Eldar should be Slaneesh worshipers. Thier whole premise would suddenly become crystal clear. Even the miniature designs, with the two women chained on the command raider suggests Slaneesh. They would not even have to mutate like everything else does, Slaneesh having a preference to keep it's parent race as it was. Even some of the fluff suggests this as it characterizes them as having embraced the decadence as thier civilization fell.

vespid
10-07-2005, 21:03
There shall be a new race and it will be created in my image.

Xander-K
10-07-2005, 21:07
I'd rather see Chaos split into the 4 groups and take in other defined races into their mix (Maybe a fifth for Undivided). DE for Slaanesh, Hrud for Nurgle, those mutant Space Wolves for Khorne... Would make it more purposeful than what we have right now. My two cents.
chaos already has more stuff than any other race, so giving them even more units would be over the top.

Dark Eldar are fine, all they need is better models and they will sell.

alterion
10-07-2005, 21:29
vespid.. i hat to say it but that kind of post is called spam.. not welcome.. dark eldar reaaly need fleshing out in their background this i agree with.. i would like to see them shown as deparate opirates clinging on to existance while concuting intricate and vile plots or summthin.. but i am going OT so i will be quiet now

Brimstone
10-07-2005, 21:54
Agreed post deleted.

As far as new races/armies are concerned I suspect we will see some new races with the revamp of the Tau codex but they will be complimentary.

As for new armies it looks like the Ordo Xenos will be the first although I still hold a candle for the Adeptus Mechanicus.

Sephiroth
10-07-2005, 21:57
As far as new races/armies are concerned I suspect we will see some new races with the revamp of the Tau codex but they will be complimentary.

If the Tau are such a 'quick-fix' Codex, should we really expect any new models for them at all?

Brimstone
10-07-2005, 22:14
If the Tau are such a 'quick-fix' Codex, should we really expect any new models for them at all?

Yes but not a major revamp IMO, GW will still want to release at least at least one new unit in addition to any other fixes they make.

The_Chaos_Seer
10-07-2005, 22:35
I thought it was safe to assume that the Tau would be getting a new race but not one new to the game. I heard it would be human defecters... ;) not sure if the source is realible tho



Well, since the Gues'va(sp?) auxiliaries are available as real troops in the GW website, I'd think that it is reliable (human auxiliaries in the Tau empire).

t-tauri
10-07-2005, 22:37
I'd be utterly astonished if there weren't a few new toys for existing Tau players to buy. Most of GW's profit is on the minis so just selling Tau palyers a new codex isn't going to be enough. If it's Tau after BTs, of course.

Xisor
10-07-2005, 22:43
Shows how little the DE fluff has had an impact. DE are *very* anti-slannesh! Very!

They *Created* Slaanesh. Not deliberately, but as a by-product of themselves and their own lifestyle, they are to blame for slaanesh! And Slaanesh 'destroyed' what they had. And now they're a tiny fraction of what they once were. They took the whole race with them(in a manner, the Dark Eldar way *was* the Eldar Empire when it fell, Craftworlders were the crazy 'outcast weirdoes')

So, yes, they need to be completely sorted and expanded, but the fluff and direction of them is something I'm very pleased with. It's what got me into the whole hobby!

I'd be quite keen to see a squad of Tarellians or something in the Tau list, they are noted as employing them and giving them a place within the Empire. Would be a good place to put an entry, and not as 'expectant' for everyone as the Demiurg(whom I'm also very sure would be recieved well, it's just whether GW is able to quite think of a way to do 'Space Dwarfs' yet).

Xisor

Sephiroth
10-07-2005, 23:06
I'd be quite keen to see a squad of Tarellians or something in the Tau list, they are noted as employing them and giving them a place within the Empire.

Well, we're not sure, as they only appeared in 'Kill Team', and it might have just been a group of them, rather than the full race.

But yeah, the DE background doesn't seem to have taken, I felt 'The Torturer's Tale' revealled all that needed to be known.

vespid
10-07-2005, 23:09
All I was trying to say was that you should take heed of my name.

Sephiroth
10-07-2005, 23:11
All I was trying to say was that you should take heed of my name.

And that means exactly? If they will be bugs or something, you could just say so...

And hello. :)

Negafex
10-07-2005, 23:12
not t go too far off topic but suppose hypothetically gw did introduce a new alien race/army what do you all think they would be like? maybe a army of big guys like they did for fantasy( ogres) or maybe another psyker army. i think some kind of atlantis army would be really cool, using anti grav vehicles like eldar but battle suits like tau but even on their basic troops.

vespid
10-07-2005, 23:21
For a good time, say my name at GW HQ and enjoy the reaction. Also talk about plastic Stealth Suits. And by the way, Hello.

nurglich
10-07-2005, 23:54
I was talkin to a red shirt (yes i know) and he said there definatly getting human auxillys (not spelt right i know but it is midnight) as part of the new list. I can't help but think iv'e seen an article on these somewhere. They wear the armour and stuff, i also can't help but think what kind of role would they play in the list, given that if they were equipted the same as the fire warriors what would be the point??? Not an expert on stats but im pretty sure the Tau and basic IG are about the same.

Sephiroth
11-07-2005, 00:07
I was talkin to a red shirt (yes i know) and he said there definatly getting human auxillys (not spelt right i know but it is midnight) as part of the new list. I can't help but think iv'e seen an article on these somewhere. They wear the armour and stuff, i also can't help but think what kind of role would they play in the list, given that if they were equipted the same as the fire warriors what would be the point??? Not an expert on stats but im pretty sure the Tau and basic IG are about the same.

Actually, they are armed with lasguns and flak armour if their anything like the current rules for 'Human Helpers' in squads of twelve, but two can exchange their weapons for either Pulse rifles or carbines. That, and tau grenades.

Their really only good for increasing your numbers or taking out tanks in HtH with EMP grenades.

Sildani
11-07-2005, 00:26
Vespid, eh? So giant wasp-like things?

If true, someone at GW's been playing too much Halo 2...

Plastic Stealth suits? Will there also be weapon options?

And what of the Eldar? When shall they be done, Vespid?

nurglich
11-07-2005, 00:29
Does anyone know (just to assure me) that the necron mini's arn't getting a rework any time soon?

Sildani
11-07-2005, 00:41
I seriously doubt it, they were the last race done for the late-and-somewhat-lamented 3rd ed., and I don't think they need any real tweaking.

In the future, they'll probably get some all-new stuff, but there's other Codecies that need doing first.

hood_oz
11-07-2005, 01:17
Does anyone know (just to assure me) that the necron mini's arn't getting a rework any time soon?

Actually the rumour was the next major 40k campaign was going to be along the lines of 'the rise of the dragon' Which would of course mean a few extra minis for the necron. In the shape of a mini for the dragon C'Tan.

Not sure if it is still in the plannning, or if they are looking elsewhere.

Maybe a new unit or options for a unit in the dragons personal list perhaps, but no major mini revision for many years in the current schedule.

Would be LOVELY to see some proper Ad Mechanicus. Loved their stuff in Epic. Still have some of the old tech priest models. Even the squat servitors. Nice. But a full list, would be fantastic, not in the production scehdule, and we can only hope. *fingers crossed, toes crossed, and magical fairy dust (and no it isnt crack cocaine) and happy thoughts just in case it will help....* ;)

Negafex
11-07-2005, 02:22
i thought the next major campain was called taros or something. not really sure. also there is something i would like clarified as it is part of an argument between me and my gaming group. is one of the c'tan the machine god cause my buddy says it hints at it like crazy through one of the storys in his codex. wouldnt that be kind of ironic though, space marines worshiping a c'tan

Alpharius
11-07-2005, 02:53
Another way to get a lot of sales out of a "new" Tau codex without doing a lot of new minis would be to make something that wasn't all that good in the v3 version by over the top good in v4.

Now, not being all that familar with the Tau, is there anything like that possible?

hood_oz
11-07-2005, 04:38
i thought the next major campain was called taros or something. not really sure. also there is something i would like clarified as it is part of an argument between me and my gaming group. is one of the c'tan the machine god cause my buddy says it hints at it like crazy through one of the storys in his codex. wouldnt that be kind of ironic though, space marines worshiping a c'tan

No, Taros is a Forge World campaign tied in with the new imperial armour book they have done. So it IS a campaign, but not a full blown GW one.

Is the machine god a C'Tan? Well, adeptus mechanicus fluff points to such things, but it will only be revealed during the dragon wakes campaign. Rumours agree with you, but no firm confirmation.

And SM dont pray to the machine god, they worship the emporer, and their primarch. Only tech priests and ad mech. pray to the machine god.

Darkfang74
11-07-2005, 04:49
how about Dimurge (sp?)

I want my dwarf-esq army!!!!

VIVA LA SQUATS!

Brimstone
11-07-2005, 05:58
No, Taros is a Forge World campaign tied in with the new imperial armour book they have done. So it IS a campaign, but not a full blown GW one.

Well it's a book about a campaign, not a campaign itself.


Is the machine god a C'Tan? Well, adeptus mechanicus fluff points to such things, but it will only be revealed during the dragon wakes campaign. Rumours agree with you, but no firm confirmation.

I happen to agree with you but there are plenty of knowledgeable posters in 40K background who don't and they make a good case.


And SM dont pray to the machine god, they worship the emporer, and their primarch. Only tech priests and ad mech. pray to the machine god.

Well apart from the Iron Hands. :p


how about Dimurge

If the Tau book is as rumoured and contains more Tau allies, the Demiurg are the type of race that may be included, however if so it's likely to be a single unit. Sales/popularity of that might eventually pave the way for a Demiurg armylist but it will be a long long time before anything like that happens.

sulla
11-07-2005, 06:44
If the Tau book is as rumoured and contains more Tau allies, the Demiurg are the type of race that may be included, however if so it's likely to be a single unit. Sales/popularity of that might eventually pave the way for a Demiurg armylist but it will be a long long time before anything like that happens.

I'd love to see Demiurg in the Tau list. The only problem I had with the old Squats was the execution of the concept, not the concept itself.

Dwarves in space are a cool idea, fat, leatherclad dwarfen bikers are not. The exo-suits and living ancestors had huge potential and the guilds would fit in well with the Tau philosophy on technology.

Brimstone
11-07-2005, 06:47
Well I wouldn't expect any Demiurg background to mirror the squats exactly so don't expect living ancestors or a familiar version of a exo-suit.

The Demiurg from their BFG background appear to be robotics specialists and I suspect any unit might include these.

Aurelien
11-07-2005, 08:13
While I like the idea of wasp things, I will wait and see for myself.

Also, unless these plastic stealth suits are cast in clear plastic, I'm not interested;)

Xisor
11-07-2005, 12:20
The Demiurg from their BFG background appear to be robotics specialists and I suspect any unit might include these.

I think GW would be making a mistake *not* to follow this path with them!

1 Demiurg and a host of hulking automaton constructs!(or completely sleek and 'cool) :chrome:

Xisor

Inquis. Jaeger
11-07-2005, 12:27
Okay, I know this doesn't really belong here, but how the hell did a race evolve (the Nicassar) independent of gravity?!?!?! :wtf:??? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Odin
11-07-2005, 13:02
Okay, I know this doesn't really belong here, but how the hell did a race evolve (the Nicassar) independent of gravity?!?!?! ??? That makes no sense whatsoever.

I agree, this does sound a bit difficult to explain. But here's a theory...

There have been a number of suggested sources for the origin of life on earth. One is the mid-ocean ridges, where amino acids can be found, another is lightning striking water in the presence of certain other elements. But it has also been suggested that some of the building blocks of life are present in space, and that they have arrives on Earth via meteorites.

Perhaps these Nicassar evolved in a nebula, or an asteroid belt. They would have no oxygen to breathe, but could perhaps use photosynthesis. I'd say it's a pretty unlikely scenario, but perhaps it's possible. Anyway, the creation of any life is pretty damn unlikely, but it happened.

Eversor
11-07-2005, 13:10
Okay, I know this doesn't really belong here, but how the hell did a race evolve (the Nicassar) independent of gravity?!?!?!
:chrome: The Slann made them? :D

On a more serious note, I don't think 40k really needs any more "races" as independent armies. Introducing them as mercenaries or in the background works fine though. And of course, as miniatures for collectors ;)

Shas'o'Fior
11-07-2005, 13:11
Hmm...maybe the Nicassar's ability on the battlefield would be to 'motivate' tau troops, to increase their initiative, and/or leadership? 'psychic guidiance'....or is that to eldar?

highmarshaldave
11-07-2005, 13:59
Also, unless these plastic stealth suits are cast in clear plastic, I'm not interested;)

Now that would rock!

I think Nicassar would be fairly impractical in 40K, but you never know. Someone mentioned the idea of "technological evolution" for Tau, and I think that'd be a good thing to run with. Crisis suits with rail rifles, "mini" suit weapons for fire warriors (hell! it worked in fire warrior). Some "elite" foot fire warriors (Taros vets or the like) would be welcome too, as would a mid range APC (a Tau version of the Razorback). Different seeker missiles would be nice (fraggy ones or something) but quite against the Tau ethos (given their ideal of long range, accurate and dirrect fire power. This all but rules out Tau artillery too).

Dave out.

Inquis. Jaeger
11-07-2005, 14:04
A good idea would be to introduce a Codex: Xenos Mercenaries. This would present several Alien races as mercenaries for hire, in the same vein as Dogs of War.

This would not only have application for the Tau, who could take them as choices much like the Kroot, but would also not only tie in well in game terms for Xenos Hunters, but also in terms of background (providing some enemies to squish, for example) - this is one of the things I felt Witch Hunters fell down on - very few armies could be used as their 'natural' enemies (except for LatD, and how many do you see of those?)

highmarshaldave
11-07-2005, 14:09
Now that is a good idea. Problem is, it'd take a long time to develop/collate all the fluff for the differnt races. Who'd go in it? I'm thinking of Human Mercs, Kroot mercs, Demiurg, Freebootaz and Harlequins/Exodites. Who else?

boogle
11-07-2005, 15:35
it has been sadi that there 'might' be 3 new races appear in this incarnation, which is quite feasble as we had 1 new race and 2 army expansions in 3rd ed

Inquis. Jaeger
11-07-2005, 15:52
Now that is a good idea. Problem is, it'd take a long time to develop/collate all the fluff for the differnt races. Who'd go in it? I'm thinking of Human Mercs, Kroot mercs, Demiurg, Freebootaz and Harlequins/Exodites. Who else?

Well that along with Hrud, Clawed Donorian Fiends, Zoats(? :evilgrin: ), Sri-Lauken (I think they're called something like that), and the numerous other 'hinted-at' alien races (and there are plenty of them!)

However, to have a mercenary army where each race could have one entry ie a Zoat entry as a single elites choice, humans as troops, demiurg as heavy support etc would look a bit silly in my mind. A bit like the old 2nd Ed Orks, where each army list choice came from a different clan. It would be much better to unify them somehow to one archetype and then provide variation.

Inquis. Jaeger
11-07-2005, 15:54
it has been sadi that there 'might' be 3 new races appear in this incarnation, which is quite feasble as we had 1 new race and 2 army expansions in 3rd ed

Well it was effectively 5 'newies' - Tau, Witch Hunters, Daemonhunters, Dark Eldar, Necrons. Some had something done about them before, I admit, but the vast majority of the work on them was new.

Negafex
11-07-2005, 16:44
not to go to far off topic but what are the odds they will bring back squats cause if not then ill get crackin on makin my own...........hehehe 4rth ed squats

Xisor
11-07-2005, 16:46
Do WitchHunters count when they 'replaced' the Sisters of Battle Codex? I'd say not as it's more of a 'reworking'.

A crucial inclusion in any Merc Codex would be the Tarellians IMO. Proper galaxy-renowned Mercs, much like the Kroot in some regards...

Demiurg I'd say still present an option for a useful full army, if their ships are as automated as implied, it could be quite fun to see a handful of the buggers controlling vast legions of constructs and automatons...:chrome:

Hrud, an interesting one, *could* be a full army, then again, they could be left 'in the background everpresent', I'm not sure they'd be 'enough' as Mercs...(then again, they could work brilliantly).

Also things like Human Pirates, as they are common, I don't see why they wouldn't be present in merenary hosts...

Xisor

EDIT: Chances on squats? I'd say none at all. Demiurg are earmarked as the replacement 'space dwarfs' *not* Squats MkII, so I think they have been truly 'killed off'(though i feel if they did differentiate the Squats and the Demiurg *enough*[ie Demiurg far more industrial, alot less 'fun and grumpy'] it could be done to have them both exist in the same 'universe', what I don't see is GW being *able*[ie competent] enough to pull it off, thus they're gone I fear)

Chris_Tzeentch
11-07-2005, 16:55
Only reliable mention of a new codex would be the Alien-hunters, mentioned several times already (even in the 40K rulebook).

Other then that the Tau is the only place where new races can just pop up. Personally I'm expecting Demiurg, but on a VERY small scale (like Chaos Dwarfs in Fantasy: just the Hellcanon).

I agree - Demiurg are well known as Tau allies, and there has been the BFG stuff and a few pieces of concept art doing the rounds. Who knows?

alterion
11-07-2005, 17:19
i have prayed for a long time that GW would do a regiments of renknown list o for 40k but so far no luck.. would work n a similar way to the fantasty reaaly .. would be very cool

LimeLord
11-07-2005, 17:51
They could make something like a "CODEX: mercinaries" (excuse my spelling) which could include humans, kroot, and other races that could be pirates and soldiers for hire.

boogle
11-07-2005, 18:06
Squats = no, Demiurg = maybe

t-tauri
11-07-2005, 19:16
Okay, I know this doesn't really belong here, but how the hell did a race evolve (the Nicassar) independent of gravity?!?!?! :wtf:??? That makes no sense whatsoever.
Maybe they evolved in a low gravity frozen moon like Europa before becoming space travellers and further evolving to adapt to complete zero gravity. Europa's surface gravity is very weak, less than the Earth's moon's , in the liquid interior it'd be even lower.

One race I'd love to see get some minis are the Loxatl from Dan Abnett's novels who'd fit into a codex Mercenaries type book very neatly. I'd really like some small alien races to come out for a little variety and to bring a little randomness to a rather homogenous galaxy.

philbrad2
11-07-2005, 19:58
As for new armies it looks like the Ordo Xenos will be the first although I still hold a candle for the Adeptus Mechanicus.

Me too been waitnig for a good AM army since RT. Pity 2nd ed never got the minis to back up the codex:imperialis AM list - oohhh Electro Priests ... happy days :)

Hope the much rumoured Andy C/Graham McNeill AM list makes it to print...


Squats = no, Demiurg = maybe

Strange as I've just bought a couple of HASSLEFREE (http://cp.nemo.phpwebhosting.com/~libertywhite/range.php?range_id=25&PHPSESSID=4605a601fe064171260544a7401baa3f) miniatures GRYMN's as 'vertically challenged' warriors for my =I= warbands. Damned cool minis, excellent Demiurg stand ins if GW's concepts are anything to go by.

:chrome:

zealousheretic
11-07-2005, 20:29
Another way to get a lot of sales out of a "new" Tau codex without doing a lot of new minis would be to make something that wasn't all that good in the v3 version by over the top good in v4.

Now, not being all that familar with the Tau, is there anything like that possible?

Two units I can think of:

Broadsides aren't all that great now, especially since drones (which were intended to help broadsides not die instantaneously to the anti-tank weapons that get fired at them) don't work as they're supposed to.

If they made broadsides immune to instant-death, they'd be very good. I'd rather they just fix the drone rule, but you never know.

Kroot, Krootox, and Kroot Hounds. The former are a somewhat useful unit (a lot of Tau players don't like them, others do), the latter are never, ever used.

sulla
11-07-2005, 22:51
Okay, I know this doesn't really belong here, but how the hell did a race evolve (the Nicassar) independent of gravity?!?!?! :wtf:??? That makes no sense whatsoever.


Who says they have to evolve at all? What with tinkerers like the C'tan and old ones dabbling with DNA to make new weapons, the Nicassar could just have been made...they could even be a chaos race for that matter.

As for a codex Mercenaries...I'd much rather see more aliens in the Tau list. I think they fit in really well there.

Astador
12-07-2005, 02:53
Rumor=Xeno's Hunters, aka Death Watch.

Isoroku
12-07-2005, 03:31
Little list of Aliens Race

Talerians
Nicassar (Tau BFG)
Hurulaxi
Hrud (Inquisitor and more)
Cachoradian (Reg 4° ED)
Barghesthi (Reg 4° Ed)
Demiurgs (Tau BFG)
Viskeon (Inquisitor)
Fraal (BFG)
Galg
Others? and Localization?

Sorry mi bad english, my lenguaje is spanish

Warlord Gnashgrod
12-07-2005, 06:53
I would love to see the Hrud/Space Skaven be made into models/an army, but I rather doubt that will ever happen. Sigh.

Triceron
12-07-2005, 08:21
minor bit of fluff had an Enslavers race in imperial lore, one of the many races that plagued humanity when it was just beginning to reach psychic potential. They're like this wierd jellyfish-like race with one eye that psychically enslaves people.

I'd definately like to see this be drawn out into a full new race. Imagine War of the Worlds style threat to the universe, the original space invaders. Their ship designs would be similar to classic 50's style saucer/tripods but in modern designs. Their vehicles and armor would look somewhat bio-mechanical in a different direction from the Tyranids.

Check out Alien Front Online (google it), it was a tank sim with an alien race similar to what I'm talking about above.

FutureEmperor
12-07-2005, 09:32
Wasnt there that picture in the rule book of the lizardman like soldier with the bandoliers (sp?), i thought he looked kinda cool (like late 19th century central american freedom fighterish..) what was the subtitle the slanni? anyways that might be a viable next race. (and they already have the old one/ slann fluff bass.) who knows maybe the enslavers were acctually slann...

meh i dont really like lizardmen now that i think of it, but bandoliers (sp?) are pretty sweet, they need more models with bandoliers (once again sp?)

Shas'o'Fior
13-07-2005, 12:41
that was the slann, I THINK they were killed off in 3rd ed but you never know....
(disclaimer: having just started a year or so ago, i have absolutely no idea, and these answers are based no stuff i've read on portent/warseer)

charlie_c67
13-07-2005, 12:49
No, Slann have been hiding in the background since 2nd ed. They didn't go the way of the squats but they're also unlikely to show up in large numbers again due to the separation of WFB from 40k.

Twisted Ferret
13-07-2005, 12:58
Little list of Aliens Race

Talerians
Nicassar (Tau BFG)
Hurulaxi
Hrud (Inquisitor and more)
Cachoradian (Reg 4° ED)
Barghesthi (Reg 4° Ed)
Demiurgs (Tau BFG)
Viskeon (Inquisitor)
Fraal (BFG)
Galg
Others? and Localization?

Sorry mi bad english, my lenguaje is spanish
Neat! Some of those sound rather interesting... :chrome:

Inquis. Jaeger
13-07-2005, 14:11
Little list of Aliens Race

Talerians
Nicassar (Tau BFG)
Hurulaxi
Hrud (Inquisitor and more)
Cachoradian (Reg 4° ED)
Barghesthi (Reg 4° Ed)
Demiurgs (Tau BFG)
Viskeon (Inquisitor)
Fraal (BFG)
Galg

Loxatl
Slann
Donorian Fiends
Enslavers
The Chaos Aliens from Xenos by Dan Abnett? (Name anyone?)

Isoroku
13-07-2005, 14:19
The Chaos Aliens is the Saruthi in Scarus Sub-Sector

Cyberjankie
13-07-2005, 15:24
some one, at the german sphärentor-forum, made this (english) list of species, known in 40k (including that mentioned in the BL-books):
Link (http://www.joachim-adomeit.de/wh40k/speciesmap/map.html)
but you need Flash to see it... there is a link to a animal-map too and if you have more species or find faults, then please follow the link to the discusion-thread an post it there (even if it's a german board, we will understand english too ;) )...

Barbarossa
13-07-2005, 20:02
Loxatl
Slann
Donorian Fiends
Enslavers
The Chaos Aliens from Xenos by Dan Abnett? (Name anyone?)

Donorian Fiends are alien animals, not alien aliens. :-)

Another race: the Khrave (spelling?) from 4th ed rulebook.

Cyberjankie
13-07-2005, 21:16
yes. you can find them at the posted link too, like many other minor races...

Isoroku
14-07-2005, 02:42
The krave concept is similar to Illita of D&D
Other Minor races

Paramours
- Scythianer
- Galthiten
- Cyranax Wächter
- Slann/Slanni
- Chuffianer
- Psy-gore the Perseus
- Rashan
- K'nib
- Laeran
- Xenarch
- Lacrymole
- Losh
- Killip'rene
- Drugh
- Demos






Sorry my bad english

+_Void_Crusaders_+
14-07-2005, 03:13
Remember GW wanted to stay away from new races... The only "new" race would be a new army I think... Ordos Xenos anyone? That's the only "new" army I can think of. Otherwise I'd HATE to see space slann :D!

sulla
14-07-2005, 08:00
minor bit of fluff had an Enslavers race in imperial lore, one of the many races that plagued humanity when it was just beginning to reach psychic potential. They're like this wierd jellyfish-like race with one eye that psychically enslaves people.

I'd definately like to see this be drawn out into a full new race. Imagine War of the Worlds style threat to the universe, the original space invaders. Their ship designs would be similar to classic 50's style saucer/tripods but in modern designs. Their vehicles and armor would look somewhat bio-mechanical in a different direction from the Tyranids.

Check out Alien Front Online (google it), it was a tank sim with an alien race similar to what I'm talking about above.

Uh, ships? Thes guys travel through the empyrean on their own steam, drawn towards powerful psykers. They don't need or use any technology.

Other than that though, GW should definately bring out these guys. They would make perfect adversaries for Xenoshunters...

Wraithlord
14-07-2005, 08:06
there were some trial rules in a WD some time ago. For each Enslaver a certain number of Slaven could be taken from other Armys. Was quite confusing stuff.

DigitsDavid
14-07-2005, 21:07
My source, who has friends in reasonably high places, has told me the new Tau allies will be insectoid in appearance. No further info though.

Isoroku
15-07-2005, 02:21
This insectoids aliens...., maybe the cacharodians?
In the reglament this name is asociated to mercs Aliens...

Voss
15-07-2005, 04:57
Enslavers are a far cry from a 'new' race anyway.
They date all the way back to the beginning, in Rogue Trader.

mad mcgobbo
15-07-2005, 22:00
Has anyone thrown in the Nocturnal warriors of the Hrud?
As for campaigns next year its rumoured to be the Adeptus Mechanicus revolt

highmarshaldave
15-07-2005, 22:02
'Cus that'll happen! I personaly prefer the sound of a "Return to Vogen" over anything involving Mars going tits-up.

Dave out.

Insane Psychopath
15-07-2005, 22:18
As highmarshaldave said it will be a city fight campinge (sp) next summer as the new codex is due out with in December on ward. Also been confirmed by a few people from HQ from diffrent Games Days

Any way back on topic.

There what drawing of Skaven for 40k. Think WW1 with the gas mask, but for reason of another race of bearded once it would tie in with another game. It a few of my friend got to see some drawing during a GT senimer (sp)

It would be vyer cool to see a new race, mean another army to fight & new challenge.

mad mcgobbo
16-07-2005, 11:19
'Cus that'll happen! I personaly prefer the sound of a "Return to Vogen" over anything involving Mars going tits-up.

Dave out.
Just because you prefer it doesn't neccesarily mean it will happen.
As for you saying "Cus that will happen!" how would you know?
I've heard from sources in the UK that next years big campaign is based around the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Necrons...something was mentioned about "The Dragon".
Sorry to be coming across cocky but you've done exactly the same mate.

Insane Psychopath
16-07-2005, 11:24
Let just say, wait & see what will happen.

With me I say City fight because the codex is due out soon (end Dec to next summer) & it is the talk right now. As for the Dragon one I've herd this since back in EoT days.

But both of you just wait & see. On another site a memeber doing a Q&A with Pete Haines & I have ask him what the next campinge for 40k will be. I'll find out by the end of next week or two.

highmarshaldave
16-07-2005, 18:55
Just because you prefer it doesn't neccesarily mean it will happen.
As for you saying "Cus that will happen!" how would you know?
I've heard from sources in the UK that next years big campaign is based around the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Necrons...something was mentioned about "The Dragon".
Sorry to be coming across cocky but you've done exactly the same mate.

Its got nothing to do with what I want and like, its all to do with the fluff. You are correct on the link between the Dragon and Mars (the Dragon was one of the few C'tan to survive after the Deciever started imprisoning them and the Nightbringer started eating them; and is suposedly imprisoned on Mars. He may even be the machine god for all we know!). But the chances of an Ad-Mech rebelion are slim. Any "rebelion" they do follow is likely to be on the same liines as the Adeptus Astartes: pursuing their own agenda, rather than that of the High Lords and the Emperor (see aftermath of the Heresy anf the Reign of Blood).

As for sounding cocky: sorry if I did, maybe i should have put a tad more thought and effort into that post.

Dave out.

Ordo Hereticus
16-07-2005, 19:16
I think its the Dave out. bit that sounds cocky, no offence

And the so called new race does sound like you guys have some interesting ideas :D

Carn't wait for GW to give out some 100% info

highmarshaldave
16-07-2005, 20:37
Yeah, there have been so many races mentioned over the years, that GW could release about to dozen plus new codices, and not even scratch the surface (to be fair though, would they?).

And btw, the "Dave out." think is what I always put at the end of my posts (and a lot of other people do something similar). It meant to sound like a radio transmition. No?

Dave out.

charlie_c67
18-07-2005, 12:12
Ok, the Dragon won't wake up on mars, knowing GW he won't even be on mars now, Armageddon won't be won by one side or the other, no black crusade will ever be successful, nor will any hive fleet. Why? cos that'll mean the end/splitting of the Imperium/Terra and there's no way that GW will allow either at the present time.

mad mcgobbo
18-07-2005, 13:07
Its got nothing to do with what I want and like, its all to do with the fluff. You are correct on the link between the Dragon and Mars (the Dragon was one of the few C'tan to survive after the Deciever started imprisoning them and the Nightbringer started eating them; and is suposedly imprisoned on Mars. He may even be the machine god for all we know!). But the chances of an Ad-Mech rebelion are slim. Any "rebelion" they do follow is likely to be on the same liines as the Adeptus Astartes: pursuing their own agenda, rather than that of the High Lords and the Emperor (see aftermath of the Heresy anf the Reign of Blood).

As for sounding cocky: sorry if I did, maybe i should have put a tad more thought and effort into that post.

Dave out.
Dont worry about it, you cant put tone of voice in a net conversation can you :D

boogle
18-07-2005, 13:13
looks like the Tau will be the ones getting the new race

highmarshaldave
18-07-2005, 14:55
Dont worry about it, you cant put tone of voice in a net conversation can you :D

I'll find a way. . .

Yeah, the Tau seem to be a decent "spingboard" for any eastern finge race that GW want to introduce; so its not a case of will they, or even when. But a case of how many.

Dave out.

Lab Monkey
18-07-2005, 17:58
Tis too much like a tyrannid to me.. Maybe more tauey armour?

Cyberjankie
19-07-2005, 20:42
Where the heel is the Thread with the vestip pic gone? He isn't her and a link to it from a newspage doesn't work? Did GW made trouble, because the pic?

Aurelien
19-07-2005, 20:50
Its been taken down at GWs request. If you aren't sure when this happens in future, check the rumor round up for the original, that should explain all...

shartmatau
19-07-2005, 21:27
From what I have heard from an actual GW employee, not a red shirt or the coffee guy but a regional coordinator is that the Vespids are going to be a Fast Attack choice in the updated Tau Codex which is currently in the works. The Tau are being done before Eldar and Orks before the Tau are doing great in sales. They also have very little to update to the new rules so it will be short work to revise the codex. The vespids are going to be similar to kroot but with a better save, obviously flyers, and have access to 'some tau technology' (not sure what though).

From this picture it looks like they will get assault weapons and be ok in H2H. I guess we will have to wait and see for sure though.

the spook
20-07-2005, 07:33
Vespid - sounds like the italian word for wasp (vespa i believe) - hmm - kinda looks like one too. Looks like its flamer armed. That would be a nasty unit. How many flame templates can you take at once?

75hastings69
20-07-2005, 08:44
A Vespid is actually a type of wasp. Having seen the concept art i for one am pretty excited!!!!

Lexxen
20-07-2005, 10:20
Not sure if anyone has posted this yet but here go'es.

Alot of the new race rumors are fueled by displays at several games days
and painting comps.

What these items are actually from is a US GW (chapter Approved) called lost fleets.

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/tyranids/painting/forgotten_fleet/r_collossus.htm

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/tyranids/painting/forgotten_fleet/default.htm

this is the address to get the rules and breakdowns as well as see some of the created items by GW.

have fun

75hastings69
20-07-2005, 10:34
although the links don't work i'm guessing that they are to do with tyranids, as the link contains the word "tyranid". The new race being speculated about refers to the Vespids (allegedly) who may (or may not) appear as an extra race available to tau players (a la Kroot).

Wimvh
20-07-2005, 10:45
Not sure if anyone has posted this yet but here go'es.

Alot of the new race rumors are fueled by displays at several games days
and painting comps.

What these items are actually from is a US GW (chapter Approved) called lost fleets.

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/tyranids/painting/forgotten_fleet/r_collossus.htm

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/tyranids/painting/forgotten_fleet/default.htm

this is the address to get the rules and breakdowns as well as see some of the created items by GW.

have fun


Actually, the collossus bears more resemblance to the old Zoats... Also note the crusade that eliminated them ;)

Warlord Gnashgrod
20-07-2005, 15:08
From what I have heard from an actual GW employee, not a red shirt or the coffee guy but a regional coordinator is that the Vespids are going to be a Fast Attack choice in the updated Tau Codex which is currently in the works. The Tau are being done before Eldar and Orks before the Tau are doing great in sales. They also have very little to update to the new rules so it will be short work to revise the codex. The vespids are going to be similar to kroot but with a better save, obviously flyers, and have access to 'some tau technology' (not sure what though).

From this picture it looks like they will get assault weapons and be ok in H2H. I guess we will have to wait and see for sure though.

If that's true, it will be nice. Finally, a fast-attack choice for the Tau that actually IS 'fast'.

Will the Vespid models be plastic or pewter? does anyone have any idea?

Cyberjankie
20-07-2005, 15:12
I think plastic, after the Tyranid-Warriors and the Orges... I realy hope so!

Aurelien
20-07-2005, 20:26
They will be pewter. If we are only seeing the concept sketches, then to be plastic they wouldnt be ready for at least a year. The sketch said 2005 on it, and I expect it is intended to be released with the new codex.

I mean, I'd *love* them to be plastic, but I dont think its going to happen.

charlie_c67
21-07-2005, 09:44
But with all this new laser gel things could happen faster. Also it doesn't say when in 2005 it was done. It could've been done in Jan this year but cos of the 6 month thing only be seen now.

Aurelien
21-07-2005, 12:25
Except that:
A) The bulk of time is not coming up with the prototype, its the transfering of said prototype into a format suitable for etching into steel plates (and more to the point, doing the etching), plates strong enough to withstand the 1000 atmospheres of pressure that the plastic is injected at.

B) This has *nothing* to do with the 6 month window. It was a leak. We were not supposed to see this. (Unless of course, it was leaked on purpose, and then GW has it taken down thereby generating interest and hype;) )

Captain Stuart
21-07-2005, 15:06
I doubt GW would "pull an Apple" on purpose. I also doubt the Vespids would be plastic. I'd rather have Pathfinders or Stealth Suits be plastic. Unless there are upcoming options for these latter squads I don't see why they would be plastic. There's not really any options for either unit and keepingthem metal would be a good economic decision IMHO. I hope the pirana doesn't become plastic. Only the Dark Eldar raider rates lower IMHO. Tetras, I'd love to see, but not piranas.

sanctusmortis
21-07-2005, 15:21
If they're optional, chances are they're metal. Then again, if they're going to do a squad box, plastic would make them affordable, and so they may just be...

It'd give me some cooler wings to use on Warriors, too :D

Cyberjankie
21-07-2005, 15:33
But hasn't someone posted (before the Vespid pic-release), he had seen the plastic-sprues of new "flying beast" Tau-Allies?

sanctusmortis
21-07-2005, 15:35
Suddenly, Games Day tickets are getting higher on my spending priorities.

Flame Boy
21-07-2005, 19:36
I'm in agreement with Sanctusmortis... Hopefully Games Day will shed some more light on the situation. Besides, it's been years since I went... the last times were for the Emperor's Palace diorama and the Ultramarine's chapter, whenever that was... a long time ago, that's for sure. I think one of those Games Days was '99.

I'm looking forward to the potential Vespid models. They might be quite impressive.

sanctusmortis
21-07-2005, 20:35
Last time I went we got given Empire Knights and Tau sprues...

I was also in the magazine for the event, having spent a lot of time the previous year playing the Quake WH40K mod. I look bad, having at the time long bob-length hair. Not a good look.