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Necrontyr
13-12-2006, 19:06
Hey guys, I thought BFG was moved over to Specialist games, yet I was looking at the GW site, and it's listed with the main games on the front site. Is this a new development, or am I just not paying attention?

Hena
13-12-2006, 20:08
Nope, not seeing it on main GW site (uk). I even checked US site and nothing either... care to post a link?

Xisor
13-12-2006, 20:14
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk

Could be that.

Seeing the BFG box art got me into all this GW nonsense many many moons ago. Getting a peek at a Retribution Class Battleship'd make me more inclined to start BFG than I'd be inclined to start 40k with it's 'Marines and Insects'...:)

No, unfortunately, BFG is still a Specialist Game. A damn good one, and it seems GW has been doing something in 'marketing' the Specialists this Christmas, which always really nice to see. Hopefully means we might get a surge of new players...

Probably not. But you never know...

bertcom1
13-12-2006, 20:14
On the US site, front page, put cursor over "games".
A line appears reading "Warhammer. Warhammer 40,000. The Lord of the Rings. Battlefleet Gothic. More Games."

I think it has been like that for a while, though. Further in, BFG is still labelled as "specialist games"

Chaos and Evil
13-12-2006, 22:05
Andy Hall (SG department head) has said that he wants to move BFG back into the GW mainstream.

Takitron
13-12-2006, 22:33
I for one would like to get into BFG, hope it gets a rebirth

ReDavide
13-12-2006, 23:32
Does BFG really sell any better than the other Specialist games? It seems like most threads here are for Mordheim & Necromunda.

Although I guess BFG's higher model count (I think?) would generate more revenue-per-player.

TKitch
13-12-2006, 23:43
I'm presently sitting here with about 35 plastic cruisers around me modeling :)

I'd love it to come back!

Zhai Morenn
13-12-2006, 23:58
I started BFG with a humble Eldar Corsair fleet bought from a friend who was quitting... Now I have a full Eldar Corsair, Dark Eldar, and Tau fleets and incomplete Chaos, IN and CE fleets... so yeah, love it.

Acolyte of Bli'l'ab
14-12-2006, 02:06
I'd rather Epic be back in the mainstream, but id definitly be happy with BFG :) I love my necron fleet :D

Hena
14-12-2006, 04:27
Although I guess BFG's higher model count (I think?) would generate more revenue-per-player.
If it would be that, then i'd think that Epic: Armageddon or Warmaster would be more suitable. They have a lot larger model count... So probably BFG sells pretty well (and epic lacks several of the main armies).

Chaos and Evil
14-12-2006, 11:39
Of the SG's, I'd say that Epic uses the most models, but that BFG has the most Unique Selling Point within the GW spectrum (GW sells no other space games, but Epic has 40k, Warmaster has Warhammer, Necromunda has Kill Team, etc).


On the other hand, Epic is my favourite GW game.

Darkseer
14-12-2006, 11:55
If more people played, I'd pick up a chaos cruiser fleet in an instant.

Xisor
14-12-2006, 12:03
I'd generally say Epic is a better 'system' (ruleswise), but that BFG is simply more...enjoyable. It's got an elegent simplicity to it. Sure, some of the erratas need properly sorting and integrating to make the game flow entirely smoothly (if you're not a vet), but overall the system is sound as a pound.

Definately my favourite of all game systems so far.

Xisor

orangesm
14-12-2006, 14:48
I would say that it can make a comeback.

Players have to create that comeback though. The market pressure may result in GW going hey BFG is doing well, lets support it a bit more.

BFG has alot of things that make it attractive to people who would like to play a 40k placed game.
It is simple - easy to learn and understand.
It is tactical - once you understand the rules, the game can become complex/
It is cheaper - Built a 1500 pt Escort heavy IN fleet for ~100 USD. A 1500 pt Army can cost well over that.

I had bought another friends excess minis before he left and got a Chaos Fleet in the buy. I sold this really cheap to friend to go with his 40k Iron Warriors. My club at school took off from there. Another friend got an Eldar Fleet. Another friend got an Ork Fleet. The club even played a basic campaign using the rules in the BFG book (Eldar won, I ran the campaign).

I have another friend who wanted to play a game in the 40k universe - some game - but had a limited budget. BFG was an excellent choice and everyone had fleets for him to learn on and then try out and decide what fleet he wanted.

So my suggestion for anyone wanting to get people playing BFG. Find 1 other person that wants to play too, one of you play IN as your first fleet, the other Chaos. Build the fleets up to around 1500 points or even 2000 points (difference is a Battleship and another cruiser). Play a few games in public - another player will get interested, if it is Eldar player show them the list and ships, if it is an Ork player the same.

If they like to do conversion work - Tyranids.

The game will not be pushed by GW at the moment. Not enough interest.

The same technique can be used to get people into other SG games.

Darkseer
14-12-2006, 15:08
Anyone here want to buy 2 boxes with me?

They can keep the Imperial cruisers, I'll take the chaos ones.

PM if interested

Darwin_green
14-12-2006, 15:38
yeah, they have pretty much every army covered now.

I wouldn't mind there to be new stuff... but I think the game's pretty much complete.

but, it would be nice to see it in more gaming stores.

Shinnentai
14-12-2006, 18:53
yeah, they have pretty much every army covered now.

I wouldn't mind there to be new stuff... but I think the game's pretty much complete. True, but then you could have said the same for 40k or Warhammer at any point in the last 10 years. If GW wanted to put BFG into a similar sales cycle then they could do so. Personally I'm glad that they haven't - much as I'm sure I'd be sucked into ogling the 15th iteration of Imperial cruiser design / brand new rules, it's not really what gaming should be about.

Still, there's a whole lot of rebalancing and polish that could have gone into the rules-set but hasn't due to the meagre resources attributed to Specialist Games. Right now GW isn't showing an ounce of the imagination of its competitors - a major investment in re-releasing some the Specialist Games could be just the thing to widen its increasingly narrow and stagnant ranges. And I don't mean some half-hearted and short-lived effort such as Epic was inflicted with /rant ;).

Stormtrooper Clark
14-12-2006, 19:28
I think i read somewhere they were trying to make it a mainstream game again, they said something like "You have a Space Marines Army, now have a Space Marine fleet!" (I also thought i saw in the fine print "And make us even richer" =P)

Shinnentai
14-12-2006, 20:16
Nah, won't work. Space Marine players will be too confused at why the ships are so heavy. Some form of heavy plastic? :rolleyes:

IncrediSteve
14-12-2006, 20:58
The thought of BFG coming back into the mainstream excites me, in the same way a small excitable dog gets excited when you hold a snack just above it's head.

How cool would it be if each race got a single plastic sprue, with the parts to assemble one cruiser, and 1 of each of the primary three escorts?

fracas
14-12-2006, 22:22
we can only dream

10th clancannach rangers
14-12-2006, 23:47
I would say that its because BFG is the 1st specialist game in alphabetical order

IncrediSteve
15-12-2006, 00:59
I think it's just because BFG is the coolest Specialist game :-P

It isn't completely bad, I mean they got the Terminus Est model back in Eye of Terror... [Though it's description did make the point of saying "This model is intended for use with the Battle Fleet Gothic specialist game"]

Captain Cortez
15-12-2006, 01:58
I like BFG allot, but Mordheim is my favorite.

I'm a little warn out on WHFB and 40k at the moment.

Getz
15-12-2006, 22:41
Nah, won't work. Space Marine players will be too confused at why the ships are so heavy. Some form of heavy plastic? :rolleyes:

That and they'll wonder why they don't win all the time - what with the SM fleet list not being the best... :eek: :wtf:

Mad Makz
15-12-2006, 22:51
If this was the case I'd make the assumption that BFG is the easiest/most cost effective game to develop new plastic moulds for all the fleets with, and will take up comparatively little space on the shelves compared to the other specialist games, without encroaching on model sales for those games.

They are also probably looking at the success of games like Pirates of the Caribbean and the new Star Wars fleet game and wanting to take a chunk of the miniature game market back from those games.

The decision will be based on potential market - cost of implementation - required shelf space. The lower the second two the smaller the first one can be.

Getz
15-12-2006, 23:06
Required Shelf space is Pretty low. Back in the day, when BFG was released, they were able to fit pretty much the entire range in one corner of the shop. Of course, there are a few more fleets now, but most of those have relatively small minature ranges (Tau are about the only exception).

IncrediSteve
16-12-2006, 02:35
When LOTR dies down there should be loads of room for BFG. Prollaby 1 or two more specialist games too, or maybe a bit of the basics from every Specialist game.

Acolyte of Bli'l'ab
16-12-2006, 02:47
When LOTR dies down there should be loads of room for BFG.

I hope it dies down soon then *sigh*, yeah its a great system but dammit...

IncrediSteve
16-12-2006, 02:56
Would be appropriate to see LOTR get the support specialist games has now, and specialist games get the 3rd focus. I mean you can't really breathe that much new life into a finite trilogy that the popularity of has died out.

...shoot, they may try to do something when the Hobbit comes out. Let's just hope it's short lived...

Hellfury
16-12-2006, 03:37
With new plastic tech they have, it can easily be done to a higher standard than before. The tau GW ships are atrocius, but the FW tau are simply to die for.

GW is supposed to be making a 2nd edition to BFG, but it is not certain if this is going to print, or if its going to be a free download on SG site. Knowing GW, they will print the book and sell it, along with a whole slew of new miniatures in plastic for cruisers.

BFG is (IMO) the most solid game GW has at this moment, and already has made a comback in 2002 I believe when they started putting out articles and pumping publicity for it during that time. But like all SG stuff, its POV has been put aside for the steaming **** they invested so much IP into, LOTR.

BFG will make a comeback, as the system has been around for quite sometime already. They had an earlier system by the name of "Spacefleet".

GW already has many eggs in many baskets right now, and are trying to make sure their company dont sink due to the pricing policy that Kirby has put into place. After that all settles down, I am sure we will see the light of distant stars again for renewed vigour into the best game GW has made yet.

Jimbobjeff
16-12-2006, 19:55
I hope it makes a comback, recently a few of us at Derby started the game but so far we havn't played many games because we cant play it in the store..until this saturday...linked bfg and 40k game! (hehehehehe orbital bombardment)

Shinnentai
16-12-2006, 21:16
GW is supposed to be making a 2nd edition to BFG, but it is not certain if this is going to print, or if its going to be a free download on SG site. Knowing GW, they will print the book and sell it, along with a whole slew of new miniatures in plastic for cruisers.
2nd edition has been shelved at least into the forseeable future I believe. There is an updated printed rulebook coming out that will integrate stuff from the FAQs plus a few small tweaks to the rules though. Hopefully we'll finally get to see Battlefleet Mars released in conjunction with this.

Venomizer
16-12-2006, 21:22
I'd love BFG to come back to the mainstream -

it wouldn't take up alot of shelf space, it's a very solid rule set & potentially already has a fairly large market for demand in place

plus purely on a selfish point, if it means I can build my Necron fleet easier then having to part with half a hundred weight of cash in P&P then I'd be very happy

Cactusman
17-12-2006, 00:32
You hear all sorts of rumours. BFG is a quality game. I love it. But it's precisely because it's cheap that GW won't do much with it. Which is a shame really. When someone with imagination is allowed to express their opinion up in Nottingham, we may see some enlightened changes in attitudes. Until then, don't hold your breath...

rkunisch
17-12-2006, 09:37
One point is definitely that BFG is the most complete game of the Specialist Games. There isn't really anything missing. Sure, I can imagine several new vessels, but it is complete as it is. In contrast, Epic would need a lot of development effort.


Would be appropriate to see LOTR get the support specialist games has now, and specialist games get the 3rd focus. I mean you can't really breathe that much new life into a finite trilogy that the popularity of has died out.
Yeah, it is completely different with the 4th edition of Space Marines. :rolleyes:


...shoot, they may try to do something when the Hobbit comes out. Let's just hope it's short lived...
Nope, I hope that LotR will stay - it is a solid system with great minis.

Have fun,

Rolf.

mark_logue
23-12-2006, 08:17
There was a tiny mention of BFG in this months Aus WD which put a spark of hope in my heart. Epic is my favorite game but having 40K and BFG (and now AI) either side of it really adds to the richness of the gaming environment. I am a big fan of BFG and EA for the same reasons, nicely designed, simple, quick to learn rule sets that allow for a lot of tactical complexity during game play without getting bogged down to much with the rules.

They are GW's greatest creations so it would be nice to be able to buy the models on the self instead of trawling ebay, buy swap sell forums and bitz nights to gradual build armies. (no SG support in Aus now for BFG and EA).

IncrediSteve
23-12-2006, 14:55
You can always order from other country's stores too.

I live in the US but have ordered from the UK store on occasion, as they're the only ones that have the complete BFG line available. The US site is close but skips out on lots of little things, most notably Cobra destroyers and Dauntless light cruisers.

TKitch
23-12-2006, 17:45
they have dauntlesses on the US site, you just have to search for it!

IncrediSteve
24-12-2006, 01:06
they have dauntlesses on the US site, you just have to search for it!

Well I'll be darned.

That really ruins my day, as I just ordered 2 dauntless and 6 cobras from the UK store a few days ago. In the currency exchange I saved like maybe $1 or so due to the odd rate they're at, but then likely lost $10 in the shipping. [ not to mention I could have got free shipping having ordered the same time as the rest of my stuff.

Oh well, at least my misfortune can be an example to others...

TKitch
24-12-2006, 05:37
you would have been SOL on the cobras, though. Those still aren't up there :(

IncrediSteve
24-12-2006, 06:15
Cobras show up when you search "cobra", $3 each component only.

Chaos and Evil
24-12-2006, 12:05
Someone should email the US store rep... they'll have them up on the website in a jiffy.

Brandir
24-12-2006, 12:28
Would be appropriate to see LOTR get the support specialist games has now, and specialist games get the 3rd focus. I mean you can't really breathe that much new life into a finite trilogy that the popularity of has died out.

...shoot, they may try to do something when the Hobbit comes out. Let's just hope it's short lived...

Yawn, another LOTR hater using any opportunity to bash a great game. And it is not a finite trilogy: LOTR is merely one book detailing a minor event within a vast fantasy world.

Anyway:

BFG will not be back in the mainstream. Simply put there is not enough interest from mainstream players for GW to give BFG the 'core' treatment. Additionally it does not have the range of models to make GW enough money to justify even one set of racking in a shop. Yes, a few members of Warseer may shout about how good BFG is but please remember that this game has an extremely small following. You will find that of all the Specialist Games Blood Bowl is the most popular.

Epic is, in my opinion, the only Specialist Game that has the possibility of becoming 'core' if the unthinkable (GW stopping LOTR) occurs. It has enough varity of units and therefore models to make GW money when compared to other Specialist Games.

TKitch
24-12-2006, 15:46
GW will stop LotR sooner or later. (I'm thinking in the next few years, actually) as their original license wasn't for unlimited time with New Line Cinema.

These SG products are just as good as LotR, however, despite what you may think. Do they have the model range of LotR? No, that's also a BENEFIT. That means it requires a LOT LESS space to shelf.

FYI: Warmaster has a range as expansive as WFB or 40K as well. :p

Brandir
24-12-2006, 20:08
The LOTR license runs out Nov 2011. Assuming that GW get the license to The Hobbit (to be released in 2009) and the other LOTR film (title TBC, to be released 2010), the license will run until 2014 at least, but in all probability until 2019.

Warmaster: Correct. I quite forgot about that. Used to play it quite a bit. Has a quite extensive range but I'd suggest less models and units than Epic. Less scope but a very close second. BFG is probably third, but a long way behind the first two.

Retailers work out how much money they make per square m/'. A rack of LOTR product sells more than a rack of Specialist Games product. So it is a no-brainer that LOTR keeps a rack or two in shops. The film still brings people into the hobby; Specialist Games don't as much.

I think that the present system works OK. Full rules available as free downloads and the models available via the various forms of mail order.

Yes, GW could do better. Perhaps a little more coverage in WD would be better; this coverage should include real content like painting guides or masterclasses and not just a two page intro ad. I also feel that GW could fully integrate the SG range into their website and essentially bin the SG tag. I am also of the opinion that GW should integrate their other lines, such as the RPGs and TCGs, into the mainstream and shops.

GW could also help in the PR department by making available as downloads old OOP games such as Space Hulk, Man O War and Talisman.

Just had another thought. Perhaps GW could license out SGs to third parties to develop and support???

RobC
24-12-2006, 20:38
The only reason I can think of for GW giving support to Battlefleet Gothic is to compete more directly with / jump onto the bandwagon of the new Star Wars Miniatures Starship Battles.

IncrediSteve
26-12-2006, 15:28
Hey, I don't hate LOTR, have some minis myself, I'd just like to see a return of specialist games [even if it was just their core boxes] to the shelves.

orangesm
26-12-2006, 16:46
Actually I have emailed the US store concerning the lack of minis in various sections before... they say they will eventually fix it maybe.

Cactusman
26-12-2006, 19:11
I'm not a fan of LOTR, I have to be honest. For me the SG are far more interesting. But if they're not making money then we can't expect much input from GW. LOTR will probably sink in the end. I don't know if that would be good news for SG or not.

mark_logue
27-12-2006, 04:50
The film still brings people into the hobby; Specialist Games don't as much.

Specialist Games however keep people in the hobby. They provide a greater depth to the gaming universe allowing people to try infinite variations of games within the one gaming universe. Keeping a good core of faithful gamers that can teach new players and provide opponents also acts to draw new people into the game. Having the specialist games in White Dwarf when I was younger has kept me into gaming for a lot longer because I have lost interest in 40K but have now moved into BFG and Epic which means that I actually end up still collecting 40K miniatures to match my Epic armies for the odd small skirmish that gets included in our campaigns.

Also since I am still actively gaming I still hear about tournaments and often attend them which means I still end up being involved in promoting the hobby instead of moving onto other things.

I think its great to use things like LOTR to draw new players into the hobby but I think its crazy in a long term financial plan to forget the things like SG that keeps people in the hobby.

(as a side note a survey on a local forum found almost everyone had been introduced to the hobby by friends so maybe SG is better for promoting the hobby then LOTR anyway).

Tanith Ghost
27-12-2006, 05:04
It would be nice for BFG to make a comeback. If nothing else, I like it for the large Imperial fleet I've built up(fully done- a boatload of work if you've never colected a fleet before) andm ore importantly, it's the one front I still beat the hated tau like a drum on.

nightgash
28-12-2006, 03:18
I would be spending loads of money on BFG if more people played it. Some more exposure in White Dwarf could do it.

CELS
28-12-2006, 12:58
You hear all sorts of rumours. BFG is a quality game. I love it. But it's precisely because it's cheap that GW won't do much with it. Which is a shame really.
Yep, I think you're right here. Getting someone to start with BFG doesn't pay off the same as getting someone to start with 40k, or to pick up a new army for 40k, or buy city fight terrain for city fight games.

Besides, GW seems very hesitant to advertise for Forgeworld models, so it's a bit of an odd situation. "Come! Buy our models, they're great! Oh, those? Well... those are made by another company, we don't know anything about that..."

orangesm
28-12-2006, 18:29
I think an important point here is that GW loves us buying from Forgeworld.

What we have been discussing really is the Citadel Mininatures which White Dwarf and the core games tend to push more than anything else.

BFG is cheaper and actually a great introduction game, because it is less expensive. It would be like having a good battle at 500 points of 40k as an introductory game.

LotR is an interesting beast. I am unsure but I still think the majority of those are modelled by the Perry twins. These guys used to be the stars of the Fantasy range modelling (again I think).

So what does having the 'specialized' skirmish fantasy setting game do. Takes resources from the other Fantasy game to support it. Had a second system built around it (oddly enough also used in the Western historical game).

What I do not understand is how the 'specialized' skirmish fantasy game where Heroes (Herohammer!!!) are suppose to be the focus is becoming a game that requires the size Armies of 40k or Fantasy. It would seem that the rules system would being to degrad and that you may as well start playing Fantasy!

So... my thoughts on LotR is that while the system may be excellent and great for skimirshes - it is a second fantasy setting supported by GW requiring resources to be spread out more.

I would say that the SG games could almost exist as side projects of the main lines.

BFG does not require alot of new modelling, just continued manufacture of the mininatures and possibly making plastic escorts, plastic Orks, plastic Eldar, plastic Tau, and plastic Tyranids (which are already built from the extra plastic bits half the time). I do not think alot of new models need to be scuplted.

Also from a money point of view, it is not the most expensive of games, but what if GW sold asteroids, plastic fighters, bombers, assault boats, blastmakers, pre-made hulks, etc.

For goodness sake they got a guy sitting in a corner making 'handy' goodies for the various games (half the time scouring the internet to see what is already out there and making the 'official' version).

There is money to be made in the range. Just selling the Imperial Navy or Tau Commerce Feet is harder than invisible Frodo and 5 differntly posed Striders, or a Tau Crisis Suit (Gundam!), Space Marine, Gaint, Elven Wizard.

Hardest selling point to me seems to be a familiarity with the background.

ImBiginKorea
30-12-2006, 17:20
Oh how I wish for BFG to come back into the mainstream. But on the upside I'm starting a BFG club here in Nebraska (United States) and I already have two other players. Luckily the BFG models are on discount (half price) at my gaming store, so getting people to get into it is pretty easy.

I really think a few pages of BFG every other White Dwarf would really push the game though, No one is going to collect a game that no one plays, so we should all get out to our appropriate stores and start playing more.

--Korea

fracas
30-12-2006, 18:00
a plastic sprue for cruisers for orks, eldars, and tau would do much to lift the game

Boss Floata
31-12-2006, 18:28
Well, BFG 1.5 is being put up in the new year. there was a post about this on the fanatic website. they are doing away with the boxed game, and producing the rulebook as a single item with a hardback cover

Grimshawl
02-01-2007, 17:02
Well, BFG 1.5 is being put up in the new year. there was a post about this on the fanatic website. they are doing away with the boxed game, and producing the rulebook as a single item with a hardback cover

In my opinion this is not a good thing, a core box set is always a great asset to a system and the changes from the original BFG rule book to this one are miniscule changes that can be had for free on the SG website, heck I doubt the chages would even take up two full pages and then they try to sell a whole new rulebook without any of the good value you used to get out of the core box? how does a newbie start playing if he picks up the rulebook? he has no ships and for that matter he doesnt have the oodles of markers you need to play, is he supposed to just make do, I mean I know the specialist games are all the redheaded step children of GW but come on.

orangesm
02-01-2007, 18:01
I think something that we can do as a community is to start coming up with 'Battle of Macragge' sets for all the various SG games that do not have starter sets.

For BFG, we can make a short narrative campaign that slowly scales up. The battles would be centered on IN vs Chaos, but give point values if you wanted to use some other fleets instead. The first battle would be the most basic of crusier clashes, 1 v 1 or 2 v 2.

In the 'article' we would have the basic beginnings of a fleet (500, 750, or 1000 fleets) and then say here is a sereis of battles to get to know the rules.

It is just an idea.

Brandir
02-01-2007, 19:25
I agree; personally I think that GW should have these starter box sets for each system in every GW.

fracas
02-01-2007, 19:41
the BFG starter set was good because it had all the accessories for playing in addition to the ships.

personally i think they should have starter set like they did with Warmaster, one for each army/fleet worth about 500+ points. and if the game needs counters, then include that as well. you can never have enough of those if you ask me.

ArtificerArmour
03-01-2007, 14:03
the BFG starter set was good because it had all the accessories for playing in addition to the ships.

personally i think they should have starter set like they did with Warmaster, one for each army/fleet worth about 500+ points. and if the game needs counters, then include that as well. you can never have enough of those if you ask me.

Or the army deal for each fleet should come with counters, and new ships should have the rules with them (and on the outside of the box state what your fleet needs before you can field it), but that's just too useful :p

The fleet deals also need to be reconsidered - I mean your spending nearly 100 pounds on a fleet thats probably too big for a normal game - make starter packs instead.

ReDavide
03-01-2007, 20:09
The fleet deals also need to be reconsidered - I mean your spending nearly 100 pounds on a fleet thats probably too big for a normal game - make starter packs instead.

There are 100-pound fleet deals? :eek:

I thought the only fleet deals around were the imaginary small ones proposed by Fracas.

Where are these great big ones?

bertcom1
03-01-2007, 21:25
There are 100-pound fleet deals? :eek:

I thought the only fleet deals around were the imaginary small ones proposed by Fracas.

Where are these great big ones?

UK online store
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=List_Models&code=301013&orignav=300808

You do not save anything over ordering seperately, it is only slightly more convenient.

IncrediSteve
04-01-2007, 01:53
Oddly Enough I find them too small, I play on a 4'x8' table and usually collect my fleets up to 3000pts :angel:

nightgash
04-01-2007, 16:57
I hope more people play! Please if you play W40K and BFG try and convert your friends to play BFG with you.

On a side note, anyone know how much the BFG 1.5 rulebook will cost?

IncrediSteve
05-01-2007, 01:55
rumblings in the other thread think $40-45, same cost as other hardback specialist games rulebooks.

salty
05-01-2007, 02:59
Well, I for one would love for BFG to come back to the mainstream. Just like my Blood Bowl miniatures, the Battlegroup Klar is currently gathering dust in the corner of my spare bedroom due to a lack of regular opponents.

And really, it fits with the 40k background. The Titan Legions might not be a major part of the fluff, but we now have Space Marines, Guard and Inquisitors in the mainstream. What is missing? The Navy of course! There'd be no Titans, Inquisitors, Guard or Space Marines getting from planet to planet with the Battlefleets!

We ought to petition them ;)

BRING BACK OUR BFG!

Salty :)

shabbadoo
10-01-2007, 11:24
BFG is a great game!!! Some new plastic ships would make the game very economical for GW to sell and produce. This I think is the best chance for a BFG resurgence. Each force sprue might have two cruisers, three of each type of escort, two bases worth of fighters, two bases of bombers, and as many torpedo bases as you could fit on the rest of the sprue. One set of those in a box would set you up very nicely to begin with; two would form the core of a very nice fleet. Have one of those sets for each fleet type and BLAMMO! Instant accessibility! Then you could also have a plastic accessory set with space stations, freighters, mines, and other oddities which would cover all the things needed for scenarios. A starter box with one sprue set of both Imperial and Chaos fleets, one sprue set of accessories, and a small rulebook (similar to Battle for Macragge) would be great. Having cruisers and escorts in the starter box (along with fighters, bombers, and special scenario bitz) would give players a taste of the whole BFG experience right at the start. Another bonus regarding all plastic BFG models is that you have ships that arenít heavy and donít snap those flying base pegs all the time, parts that fit perfectly, better quality control on molding, etc. :cool:

My friends and I have an annual BFG game at the beginning of each year, and it is the last weekend of this month. We'll be playing a casual 4-player game of 1,000 pts. per side(500 pts. per player). We play all sorts of games by many companies, but BFG is one we all like and come back to. We are all football (American) fans so we love Blood Bowl too.:evilgrin:

I have about 1,000 pts. of Imperial Navy ships painted, so I might use this as an excuse to paint up some more of the others I have primered and ready to go and have some more options to choose from. Or I could start work on the Ork Fleet I have lying around as a bunch of loose parts. I can probably assemble and paint 500 pts. of Orks by then, even at my sluggish pace.:eyebrows:

IncrediSteve
10-01-2007, 18:49
My strategy is to collect multiple whole fleets just for myself, so that all I need do is say to one of my friends "You there! Come play this awesome game." and go over the basics, play a few games, and it's good to go. [Not to mention I'm a glutton for more models :D]

I've already amassed 3000pts of Imperials and Chaos, scratch built 1500pts of Tyranids, have 500pts of Space Marines on the way, and eagerly await getting 3000pts of Eldar. Also in the course of my bitz building outrages, I'll end up with enough niched ships to have some wolf packs and privateers, maybe even some Dark Eldar.