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Osbad
19-12-2006, 08:07
For those of us cheesed off with what we perceive as GW's rip-off prices, particularly for plastics, I have stumbled upon some nice generic sci-fi plastics retailing at 0.50 each!

Check out http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/Science_Fiction.html

At those prices they rock my boat!

Bombot
19-12-2006, 09:49
I’ve linked to them before but someone on here (who has them) wasn’t all that fond of them. Opinion on The Miniatures Page seems to be that they’re good but the weapons are a bit puny. Might buy a few just to see how the fit alongside Cadians.

I have vague plans of doing an “Eat my shorts, GW” Imperial Guard army consisting mainly of those troopers and Tamiya (or whoever) tanks but I’ll have to see what they’re like in the (plastic) flesh first.

Osbad
19-12-2006, 10:36
Bombot, we're thinking on the same wavelength.

I like the look of GW Cadians, but £0.90 each for placcy troopers doesn't sit well with me. Looking at eBay, there are discounts, but I'm starting to look elsewhere now. SST Mobile Infantry are OK, but a bit identifiable as SST. I'm after a more generic infantryman type look.

I *like* the puny weaponry. The idea of grunts in the far future having to lug around massive oversized guns feels silly to me. I would imagine that miniaturisation would enable powerful weapons to be no larger than current infantry weapons. But that's just my imagination. If people have grown up on GW's "heroic" or "chunky" scale then that's there preference. Me, I grew up on Star Trek phasers...

On the other hand, I'm starting to really like 5150 (http://www.angelfire.com/az3/twohourwargames/), so I'll probably bypass GW altogether in my quest for sci-fi grunt combat!

EDIT: I've just placed an order for 5 each of their plastic space rangers and plastic troopers. If they paint up well, I have a feeling I'll be back for more! If not, then I've only risked a fiver! As for tanks, APCs etc., I won't be touching GW either. I prefer a more streamlined look than the quasi-WWI clunkiness of GW's 41st millennium.

Bombot
19-12-2006, 10:57
I already have a box of Cadians so my plan I think would to use them as Stormtroopers, probably after some modding. That’s why I’d like to see how the em4 troopers sit alongside them.

EDIT - Well I just ordered a tenner’s worth of stuff (5 plastics plus various sorts of metal trooper) just to see what they’re like. If I like the metals I may just sell the Cadians.

Osbad
21-12-2006, 11:45
Well, my em4miniatures arrived today. That's a whole 2 days in the post at Christmas! Excellent service!

I'm impressed with the troopers, they are multipart (although legs and rear torso are moulded as one, with 3 alternative options on the sprue) Crisply moulded, so they should paint up fine. OK so they aren't metals, but I think they are well worth the few pence each they cost. I have a feeling I'll get more of these!

The "Space Rangers" I am less impressed with. These are all one-piece jobs, so less poseability there. But still plenty of crispness in the moulding. The sculpting isn't the best I have seen, but is better than some of GW's offerings. And there is a pleasant absence of skulls!

Yeah, after I deduct the £1.20 postage from the £5 I paid for these guys, I think they are well worth the money! Yeah, GW plastics may look (a little, suprisingly little really I found) better, but they cost so much more money it isn't funny!

t-tauri
21-12-2006, 12:11
The way to go for a plastic alternative to GW is to take yourself to Mithril Miniatures (http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/index.html#imperial_blisters) and their plastic warzone figures (http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg2420-1.html). Eighty plastics in scale and in style with GW for about 18 with postage. Try their ebay shop and you might get them cheaper. All you need is to add some special and heavy weapons and you're away. Much better than the em4 versions which are okay but I find them a little spindly.

This discussion is off topic for this thread, though. I'll cut it off and move it to SF and Fantasy.

Sleazy
21-12-2006, 13:45
80?!?! thats amazing!

hang on thst 20 euros....14!

Bombot
22-12-2006, 09:38
I got my em4 minis yesterday too. Impressive service, given the time of year. I can agree with most comments I’ve seen. Are they rather spindly? Yes. Are they still good value? I think so, as they aren’t ridiculously skinny. However, whether I’ll use them instead of the Cadians, I’m not sure, as I already have a box of 20 Cadians and I’d only need one more. At £16.50 including p&p from eBay, the Cadians remain one of the few 40k products that I class as reasonable value.

What I am sure I’d use, though, is the em4 metals. They’re funky and have character and certainly show GW’s metals up to be the overpriced lumps they are. I’ll through a few squads in as elites.

T-tauri, those Warzone figures are good value. Not sure if I’d use them though as the look isn’t quite right for what I have in mind, and the basic line infantry is a largely sunk cost. It’s the elites and tanks that are going to rack up the cost. But sure, if you want a lot of infantry cheaply then those figs look great.

Senbei
22-12-2006, 11:44
If it's the same Warzone figs that came with the 2nd ed box you get a Captain and an HMG (chaingun) specialist for every 8 normal guys (though the grunt designs are split 50/50 Imperial/Bauhaus.... so there will be a difference between squads...)

Edit: I payed £12 GBP inc P&P for a 2nd ed box set that included 40 of those fellows. Think the shop/e-bay account was 'Prince August'.

Christine
22-12-2006, 15:04
Prince August is indeed the company currently selling them if memory serves.

The Judge
23-12-2006, 21:27
I'm not joking here, but am I the only person who thinks they are some ***** miniatures?

I feel fine paying a large amount of money for GOOD miniatures.

lord_blackfang
11-01-2007, 12:11
Sorry to drag this back to the front page, but I'm intrigued by the Warzone stuff. Does anyone have piccies of the actual sprues, or can tell me a few details?

Like how difficult it would be to put some GW special/heavy weapons on these guys, and whether the heads would fit on Cadians (or vice-versa) ?

chromedog
11-01-2007, 12:54
I haven't seen these in the flesh for a couple of years, but the scale was pretty dead on for catachans (not cadians), since they used a similar OTT sizing for infantry. The beret'd heads of the Imperial 'Trenchers' would go with scouts (being much of the same size), but I think even the bauhaus troops are too large for cadians.

also from memory, the weapons wer much like the snap together marines from macragge. I could be wrong there, though. They might be separate weapons. A mate who used to play warzone got the box as he wanted the impies. I never actually saw them in bits.

Senbei
11-01-2007, 14:14
Here: 40 of each... so Thats 80 in the boxed game... though PA do seem to sell them seperately. Formed into squads of 10, 8 normal guys, a Searge and a Mini-gunner....

http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg2420-1.html

Edit: Horrible pics there though. They look better in the flash... Honest.

lord_blackfang
11-01-2007, 14:19
Thanks, that's been linked already. I'd like to know how convertable they are, since it looks like it's just 4 different models per faction.

jazzdude78
11-01-2007, 17:16
not very convertable really
unless you want to greenstuff alot theyre pretty much those 4 poses

Senbei
11-01-2007, 17:56
Backpacks, heads, weapon & right arm(up to the elbow), left hand(open, palm up... or down if you put it on upside down.) and body. Not a great deal of convertability but better than most (non GW) plastic mini's... Weapon swaps shouldn't be too much of a problem.

lord_blackfang
11-01-2007, 20:04
Thanks. I'm really (really) tempted to order 3 bags and have enough troopers for two different IG armies.

AWu
11-01-2007, 21:19
i personaly love them

great improvement over most Warzone metals

but they are basicaly 4 poses
and plastic they are made of is hard as hell
its best to cut them with dremel for converting

BUT i love WW I feel of them
and i highly reccomend them

but you could be disapointed
i would order one bag and check it by yourself

dont have scanner/digicam to make photos, so i cant help here

firestorm40k
12-01-2007, 08:29
Those Warzone minis scream 'Chaos Militia Conversion Potential!!!' :evilgrin: to me... but dang, do I really need any more 28mm scale minis...

(Sound of internal struggle between head/heart/financial conscience... :D )

Senbei
12-01-2007, 09:35
40 WW1 Germanic types (in space) and 40 WW1 British types (in space). It's a shame that so much of the metal stuff they did was so horrible... WW1, In space, with Zombies is a killer Idea ^_^

lord_blackfang
13-01-2007, 13:33
I just ordered 1 bag. If I like them, I'll get more.

I can put up sprue pics when they arrive, if there's interest.

Senbei
13-01-2007, 23:16
I'd have done so for you, but I lack a camera or scanner.... Difficult to believe in this day and age, eh? I'm thinking that with some of these plastics... Some Tamiya weapon sets, some of the other Modern/Sci-fi models out there and a few plastic vehicle kits you could play 3rd ed Warzone no problem... It's actualy meant to be a pretty neat system... (It's avaliable to download too)

lord_blackfang
26-01-2007, 09:38
Got them today. Much nicer than I expected. It's true that no glue will hold them, though.

Here's sprue piccies:

Bauhaus
http://gallery.blackfang.net/Forumpix/ig/bauhaus_front.jpg
http://gallery.blackfang.net/Forumpix/ig/bauhaus_rear.jpg

Imperial
http://gallery.blackfang.net/Forumpix/ig/imperial_front.jpg
http://gallery.blackfang.net/Forumpix/ig/imperial_rear.jpg

AWu
26-01-2007, 11:26
superglue got job done

not as fast as with other plastic but well enough

that hand pieces are pain though

Senbei
26-01-2007, 12:53
Yeah... Easier to pose things with a poly cement but it just doesn't want to stick *sighs* Might have to try using both... or a slower drying SG...

lord_blackfang
26-01-2007, 13:01
I'm gonna try using green stuff on them. It is pretty much the ultimate bonding agent. Should stick to these guys.

Sleazy
01-02-2007, 13:50
SST minis were like that, a sod to stick together, only they were in about 18 pieces per fig!!

Senbei
01-02-2007, 16:23
The pieces are fairly simple to put together... The plastic just doesn't like poly cement much *sigh*

baphomael
01-02-2007, 16:38
The plastic warzone figs are pretty nice. Bit of light conversion work and they make awesome guard substitutes. I remember picking up the old Warzone boxed game set...it was such a good box. 80 of the lil guys made the foundation for two fairly sizeable armies - much better than many previous GW game boxes (with perhaps the exception of Skull Pass. Skull Pass is a worryingly good deal considering its GW).

It was a shame Warzone has pretty much gone under. In the hands of a capable company with some good sculptors it could do really well. I've always wanted to see how a Bauhaus grizzly tank or a Dark Legion necrotech monstrosity would turn out as a model kit.

Senbei
02-02-2007, 14:04
This is true. You can find the 3rd ed Warzone rulebook in PDF form on the Internet... if you look hard enough. It's probably one of the better Sci-fi games out there, but... a) Yeah, the minis, for the mostpart, sucked... and; b) I dont believe 3rd ed ever made it as far as being published (though I have seen it up for sale on E-bay in a 'hard' format...

RedKnightSpecial
03-02-2007, 00:17
Starship Trooper miniatures look decent, but I hear they are a right bastard to assemble.

Sleazy
07-02-2007, 11:49
they can be, the MI troopers were a bit of a pain at first, basically so many bits and a plastic that doesnt love poly cement, it seems they made them in a hundred bits just for the hell of it.

You get the hang of it though, I havent had problems with any of the other minis in the range although King Tanker took a bit of work.

t-tauri
08-02-2007, 18:52
This is true. You can find the 3rd ed Warzone rulebook in PDF form on the Internet... if you look hard enough. It's probably one of the better Sci-fi games out there, but... a) Yeah, the minis, for the mostpart, sucked... and; b) I dont believe 3rd ed ever made it as far as being published (though I have seen it up for sale on E-bay in a 'hard' format...

3rd edition was published and by and large second is better. 3rd suffered from trying to create new troop types so that Excelsior could try and sell all the terrible early miniatures as a different troop type rather than an earlier version of the same troop. Imagine if GW rewrote the codices so the rules for Rogue Trader guardsmen were different to those for Valhallans or RT Space Marines were better in the game than new plastics and they wanted you to buy the old minis. Imagine that those old GW minis were awful misproportioned things of variable scale and you've third edition "ultimate" warzone.

Most Mongoose plastics are a horrible hard plastic which is an utter swine to stick together. Their metal ranges have horrible quality control which leads to missing parts.

If you can get hold of one then the best buy is the old Warzone box. I think Prince August/Mithril still have stock.

jazzdude78
08-02-2007, 19:14
Fantasy Flight games in theory is coming out with a new CMG version of warzone this year
too bad I believe theyre uping the scale of the minis, plus yknow cmg

Ronin_eX
08-02-2007, 22:18
3rd edition was published and by and large second is better. 3rd suffered from trying to create new troop types so that Excelsior could try and sell all the terrible early miniatures as a different troop type rather than an earlier version of the same troop. Imagine if GW rewrote the codices so the rules for Rogue Trader guardsmen were different to those for Valhallans or RT Space Marines were better in the game than new plastics and they wanted you to buy the old minis. Imagine that those old GW minis were awful misproportioned things of variable scale and you've third edition "ultimate" warzone.

Actually that was its biggest strength in my opinion. In 2nd edition all the armies felt the same and seemed to lack the "soul" they had in first edition. Though it was better balanced it seemed to be just a little too generic. UWZ brought back the uniqueness to each army. The other upside is that UWZ rules didn't care if you were using official models or not as most units didn't even have figures to represent them in the official line. This leads to the use of many cool looking proxy models from other ranges to fill out your force. It's a great excuse to pick up one or two models from other ranges when you don't feel like buying into a whole new game.

For those interested here (http://www.mutantpedia.com/eng/Warzone.html) is the site with the ultimate warzone rules (as well as those for 1st and 2nd edition). It's an incredibly fun game no matter which edition you play and it has some of the best background ever produced for a TTG.

AWu
09-02-2007, 09:58
there is large following to WZ in Poland(i am not plaing, just have some models i like - yes there are cool models in WZ but they are rare and far between)

consensus is here that 3rd edition is definately better

but army list are unbalanced and need extra rules

what put me off is that they suffer from promotion of min-maxes
wich i dont like

Senbei
09-02-2007, 10:33
I just liked the 'shambling' rules they introduced for some of the Zombie legions in V3.... Brainssss "DAKKA-DAKKA!" Oh, and the new, yet unsupported, vehicles.

+_Void_Crusaders_+
16-02-2007, 08:38
hahaha! I'm gone for a few monthes and I come back and more people have discovered Warzone! I found out about these guys around 5 monthes ago by creating this EXACT same style of thread! Since then I have 2 platoons of 5 ten man squads and a 5 man command squad. I'm calling the "gatling" gun a heavy bolter as I'm WAYY to lazy to try and do anything with that, but other than the plastic being somewhat brittle, hard, and difficult to glue, it's perfect! A few other models from this range that aren't so bad include the blood berets (basically old stromtroopers with cooler weapons), bauhaus blitzers (same style of bauhaus but with almost shotgun like weapons) as well as the light/heavy infantry.

If you can pick these models up, I'd vouch for them, and as they're becoming rarer to come across, they might be worth your while.

lord_blackfang
16-02-2007, 09:14
I don't know if any of you are reading my IG Project Log, so here's a pair of pics to show what can be done with the good ol' Imperials.

http://gallery.blackfang.net/Forumpix/ig/trenchers01.jpg

http://gallery.blackfang.net/Forumpix/ig/trenchers02.jpg

baphomael
16-02-2007, 13:08
The old warzone metals had so much potential. Sure, a lot of them were pretty bad sculpts...but as a concept they would be killer in the hands of a decent modern sculptor. Remember Karak the Keeper (the big Nepherite character with the gatling gun arm) - he'd be awesome in the hands of a good contemporary sculptor. Same goes for that Ilian nepherite with the chain-gun arm and all those spiky chains coming out of him Hellraiser style.

Oh, and does anyone remember Bauhaus Jungle Kommandos? Rotary-barreled shotguns! How can rotary-barreled gatling-shotguns *not* be cool?

Oh, if only I had the time and resources to create a miniature company and hire good sculptors - I'd be all over the rights for a tabletop game.

Senbei
16-02-2007, 18:11
Nice conversions! The fellow attempting a salute is both inspired and cheesy... not sure which the most.... lol.


Yeah, a 'fresh-take' on the Warzone fluff might be just what they needed... Shame they never seemed keep to try one.

+_Void_Crusaders_+
16-02-2007, 19:25
I don't know if any of you are reading my IG Project Log, so here's a pair of pics to show what can be done with the good ol' Imperials.

http://gallery.blackfang.net/Forumpix/ig/trenchers01.jpg

http://gallery.blackfang.net/Forumpix/ig/trenchers02.jpg


I REALLY like the imperial models! My only problem is that I have about a 4:1 ratio of imperial to bauhaus models... This means that some bauhaus are in squads with the imperials atm. I'd like to maybe purchase enough models to replace them as they do look a bit out of place.

I myself have a few plasma gun, flamer, grenade launchers, bolt pistol/ccw, lasgun conversion as well. I prefer to convert the bauhaus models as their weapons are less 40k. As a stand-in the imperial weapons are picture perfect autoguns.

+_Void_Crusaders_+
16-02-2007, 21:28
I just pulled the big ol' box of these guys out today and did some work on them. It just so happened I have enough numbers to do 4 squads of bauhaus and 6 squads of imperials all complete with heavy weapon (chain gun or missile launcher), special weapons (8 nade launchers and 2 flamers) and a sgt. armed with either a bp/chainsword or laspistol/chainsword (only one has a plasma pistol). I'm in the process of taking off those ugly "shotgun" things the bauhaus use for lasguns.

My command are 5 man squads with 1 officer with power fist and plasma pistol, 1 plasma gunner, 1 chain gun, 1 com officer and 1 trooper.

So as long as I don't play in a GW store, I have 2 full troop choices for my gaurd army!

PS not sure how others have converted these models, but for the bauhuas it's a cinch! Just assemble as normal only cut off the weapon from the weapon arm. Now take ANY kind of lasgun and cut of the handle, as well as the last part of the stock that is studded, and glue to the arms! Some GS might be needed as holes will appear when doing weapon/arm swaps.

Senbei
17-02-2007, 00:22
Sad part is... I want Autoguns and It's a swine to get those from EE without paying through the nose for them.

doghouse
17-02-2007, 10:15
How about using these as alternative autoguns?

Pulse Rifles (http://hasslefreeminiatures.co.uk/pack.php?pack=781)

Senbei
17-02-2007, 11:49
Ahhh! Not a bad Idea... Might need to do a bit of experimentation therre to make sure the lil plastic fellers dont keep falling on their faces though, Heheh ^_^

revford
17-02-2007, 13:23
Ahhh! Not a bad Idea... Might need to do a bit of experimentation therre to make sure the lil plastic fellers dont keep falling on their faces though, Heheh ^_^

The trick is to use 2p coins as bases, being heavier, cheaper and make your army look cool and clever. :-}=

Senbei
19-02-2007, 08:23
But, dude, Y'know.... Money >_> That would take almost a pound of 2p pieces >_>

j/k. Might be worth a try ^_^

revford
19-02-2007, 11:33
But, dude, Y'know.... Money >_> That would take almost a pound of 2p pieces >_>

j/k. Might be worth a try ^_^

In the crazy future world where we live, it's actually cheaper to stick your models directly onto money than it is to buy bases. :-}=

baphomael
19-02-2007, 12:11
But, dude, Y'know.... Money >_> That would take almost a pound of 2p pieces >_>

j/k. Might be worth a try ^_^

Hell, buy tap-washers...they'll be even cheaper.

Senbei
19-02-2007, 20:47
Hell, buy tap-washers...they'll be even cheaper.

Heheh, I don't know about that. Hell, what can you buy for 2p nowadays? *feels ancient*

Major Maxillary
05-06-2007, 18:49
Alot of the guys over here in the states use nickels($.05 coin).

Senbei
14-06-2007, 12:33
Muwahaha! 2p = roughly $0.04... Quite heavy too, for small change. I use 1p pieces for basing B-tech BA Infantry too ^_^