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Ventris_Fellstorm
30-12-2006, 14:29
I'm thinking of starting a Specialist Game, and the question is:

Which one?





P.s. Keep in mind that I'm mostly a 40k player.

Jasonite
30-12-2006, 14:46
Mordheim kicks butt.

Ventris_Fellstorm
30-12-2006, 14:48
So I've been told...anyone else?

Mr Zephy
30-12-2006, 15:21
Mordheim is very fun, also necromunda. Haven't played the others and epic is quite expensive.

Griefbringer
30-12-2006, 15:33
Would you tell more about your interests, like how big games you want to play, and whether you would like to be able to utilise your existing models/terrain in the games? And do you want a game to complement what you already have, or something completely different? Do you want something where you can get started cheaply, or are you ready to invest in a plenty of money?

For example, if you have in 40K an inquisition force (deamon/witch hunters) then you might be interested in trying out Inquisition by making a small retinue out of your existing models (just tone down the ranges which are written for the bigger 54mm or so models). Or if you are doing Imperial Guard and have a pile of urban terrain, you might want to try Necromunda and make a gang that can double up as a squad in your 40K force.

Or if you are looking for somethign completely different, you could try something more fantasy-style, like Mordheim (pretty cheap, as you only need a handful of models) or Warmaster (pricier). Or just try the very different sort of game that is Blood Bowl (again, relatively few figures needed).

Ventris_Fellstorm
30-12-2006, 15:44
Would you tell more about your interests, like how big games you want to play, and whether you would like to be able to utilise your existing models/terrain in the games? And do you want a game to complement what you already have, or something completely different? Do you want something where you can get started cheaply, or are you ready to invest in a plenty of money?

For example, if you have in 40K an inquisition force (deamon/witch hunters) then you might be interested in trying out Inquisition by making a small retinue out of your existing models (just tone down the ranges which are written for the bigger 54mm or so models). Or if you are doing Imperial Guard and have a pile of urban terrain, you might want to try Necromunda and make a gang that can double up as a squad in your 40K force.)

Ummm...okay...I like fairly big games and I love to convert all kinds of stuff, so I really don't mind the expenses. I also like things that can have a nice story tied to 'em...that last one goes well wiht anything, so don't mind that part...and to wether I'd like to use my old models. The answer is simply: NO! And I really like a really big army (=Epic), Space battles with many ships (=BFG), and the ability to make a lot of detail (=Inquisitor)...hence the problem...

Hope that helps...

ImBiginKorea
30-12-2006, 15:55
Ack Ventris my BRAIN!?!??!??! GRAAAAGH!

Anyways my vote is for BFG hands down. If you like classic naval battles (british ships of the line, Trafalgar etc...) or modern carrier fleets and how the operate then pick up the game >.< The game is very simple to play and has alot of strategy involved. Right now the rules are posted on the Specialist Games (http://www.specialist-games.com/battlefleetgothic/rulebook.asp) website. There releasing updated rules in January (posted on the net/book), but read the current one online to get an idea about how it plays, and read up on all of the fleets.

Anyways I'm off to go find some brains, meany.

--Korea

Chaos and Evil
30-12-2006, 15:56
Roll a dice and detirmine randomly! :D

I suggest Epic, as it captures the scale of the 40k universe perfectly to me.

fracas
30-12-2006, 15:58
to fit your interest in 40k, i think either epic or bfg
but i think bfg lends itself better to conversions so i voted bfg

Griefbringer
30-12-2006, 16:04
And I really like a really big army (=Epic), Space battles with many ships (=BFG), and the ability to make a lot of detail (=Inquisitor)...hence the problem...


In this case, I think the correct solution would be to start them all! Considering that the rules are available for free online, this wouldn't be too difficult (presuming that you are willing to read and learn several new rules).

Just buy models alternatingly for each of the games, and try to assemble and paint them up before buying the next batch. With Inquisitor and BFG you should be able to play already with pretty few models.

Ventris_Fellstorm
30-12-2006, 16:15
Anyways I'm off to go find some brains, meany.

--Korea

Heheh! :p


In this case, I think the correct solution would be to start them all! Considering that the rules are available for free online, this wouldn't be too difficult (presuming that you are willing to read and learn several new rules).

Just buy models alternatingly for each of the games, and try to assemble and paint them up before buying the next batch. With Inquisitor and BFG you should be able to play already with pretty few models.

Yeah well, I'm not really in that kind of state that I could start them all...just one...

I'm anouncing that the thread will close after New Year's...then the one that got the most votes, I'll pick...if it's the "Other"-option then I'll see which Specialist Game got the most votes...it would be either Mordheim or Necromunda at the moment by the looks of it...:rolleyes:

Griefbringer
30-12-2006, 16:27
I'm anouncing that the thread will close after New Year's...then the one that got the most votes, I'll pick...

You would probably get better results just by rolling a die.

Unfortunate case being that often on these sorts of polls, lots of people will just flit in, skim through the options given, ignore any explanatory text and vote for the game of that happens to be their favourite at the moment (instead of taking the time to think what has been written and what would actually be the most suitable game for the person asking for it).

Ventris_Fellstorm
30-12-2006, 17:10
You would probably get better results just by rolling a die.

Unfortunate case being that often on these sorts of polls, lots of people will just flit in, skim through the options given, ignore any explanatory text and vote for the game of that happens to be their favourite at the moment (instead of taking the time to think what has been written and what would actually be the most suitable game for the person asking for it).

Yeah, well...that's the thing. If I start rolling dices I'll roll for something and roll again for the sake of not wanting to take that choice...and well oh shoot. I'll roll for the three top options then...to make it easier...

harlequin21
30-12-2006, 17:27
Go for Inquisitor, you said that you like the detail and having a story tied to it, so Inquistior has all of that and some of models are really good, if you like converting theres loads of accesories to personalise the model since everything comes in multiple pieces.

well im done plugging Inquisitor

Failing all that BFG is really good too

Griefbringer
30-12-2006, 18:58
Something I forgot to mention: if you are really into the storyline aspect, then I would recommend one of the more campaign-oriented rules - Mordheim, Necromunda or Inquisitor (or even Legends of the Old West). The ongoing campaign and development of the gang/warband/retinue should really facilitate development of an ongoing story. And due to the wide equipment options and small number of models, these really offer great opportunities for converting.

While it is possible to run campaigns with BFG and Epic, they are less orientated for that sort of the game - and the size of the models makes converting more difficult (or less noticeable).

Brandir
30-12-2006, 19:03
Battle of Five Armies.

Why?

Uses the world's greatest rules system - Warmaster

Set in the world's greatest fantasy setting - Middle-earth

Ventris_Fellstorm
30-12-2006, 19:06
I'm kinda tilting toward Inquisitor and BFG...we'll see...

Ventris_Fellstorm
30-12-2006, 19:07
Battle of Five Armies.

Why?

Uses the world's greatest rules system - Warmaster

Set in the world's greatest fantasy setting - Middle-earth

And no offense, but I really don't want to go into that...

Aundae
30-12-2006, 19:23
I voted "other" because you can't go wrong with Mordhiem. I love playing Mordhiem. Did I mention you should go with Mordhiem. :D

scarletsquig
30-12-2006, 19:49
Mordheim is my favourite, loads of fun... and it's also the only specialist game that I've had a lot of success with getting others to play using their own figures. I don't mind a game of BFG if someone likes it, but I usually have to use my full thrust figures as proxies for it (sa'vasku fleets are basically tyranids with better starship models!)

But if you prefer a 40k setting, I'm going to have to recommend... GORKAMORKA!

I mean, Necromunda. Nobody plays gorkamorka anymore :(

Although I think Mordheim would actually be a good introduction to the twisted warhammer world setting for you (all that John Blanche stuff looks/feels a *lot* better in a fantasy environment)... I started playing Mordheim about 1-2 years before starting my first fantasy army.

And while you won't have an army-sized force, there's always assembly of a table full of ruins to look forward to :P


Failing that, grab a copy of WD 225 and start playing dungeonbowl (the only game that lets you hum the lost in space theme tune often :D), or grab an intact copy of WD 223 and play Brewhouse Bash (knee in da danglies!). If you're only after fun those 2 beat the crap out of playing 40k any day.

precinctomega
30-12-2006, 20:06
Ummm...okay...I like fairly big games

What do you mean by "big"? If you mean loads of models, then EPIC is probably your thing. Nothing lets you put more on the tabletop than that - except possibly Warmaster, but your heart clearly belongs to the Imperium. However, if you mean "big" as in complicated, well all the SGs offer as much complication as you can handle.


and I love to convert all kinds of stuff, so I really don't mind the expenses.

The 40k-based game that offers most conversion potential is almost certainly Inquisitor, which practically demands that every model is extensively converted, not least to ensure some variety on the tabletop. At the recent Warhammer World Winter Conclave there were at least forty models in play (on four different tables, I hasten to add) and I think every one of them was converted to some extent or another.


I also like things that can have a nice story tied to 'em...that last one goes well wiht anything, so don't mind that part...

I mind that part very much! No other game relies so heavily upon a coherent story as Inquisitor. If you are of the type of player who really worries about why his army is taking on the opponent's army, then INQ will suit you.

I voted for Inquisitor, but that's because I'm an Inquisitor-Missionary, spreading the good word of 54mm gaming far and wide. One thing I can promise, if you come to us, is that you'll be joining one of the most active and militant on-line wargaming communities.

R.

Caroulus Grey
30-12-2006, 20:33
Hmmm...I'd love to say something original, but....what Precinct said...go for Inquisitor...

Xisor
30-12-2006, 20:38
By 'big', I believe he means in terms of how long the game'd go for. Ie a 'big' game of BFG (say 3kpts+) or big-Epic(3k5pts+) where such a large scale fits in really easily.

To explain better: A 500pts game of BFG still feels big. I mean, these are kilometre long spaceships! Individually you can do alot of things with them. Same (roughly) for Epic. (If it's lots of models, then Epic wins hands down).

However, I'll try and deal with the best compromise.

I'd say BFG, it allows for:

- Massive fleets, and a truly 'epic'(small e) scale of battles. You can conduct Exterminatus ;)
- Models are a decent size for almost all of them (unlike Epic) meaning you can really go all out on paint jobs if you want but since they're not that big (unlike Inquisitor) you can put alot of time into them, even though you might be a terrible painter!
- The models are all really excellent. Unlike Epic, where I find the smaller models really begin to look somewhat poor, BFG maintains its sense of accuracy-to-scale for most models (except, IMO, the ordnance markers, but you can use the cardboards for them anyway...)
- Simpler system than Epic & Inquisitor, but it doesn't loose anything from it, rather it may be somewhat more fun as a system than Epic and Inquisitor (ie closer to BB/Necro/Mord in that respect than either E or I, but still a large scale and fairly complex game)
- Reasonably balanced. Chinks are beginning to appear, but its still fairly well balanced
- NEW RULEBOOK out early this year, so you can be all nice and spangly!


Lots of fun, and IMO BFG sounds the best option for you.

Plus, it is my experience that more folks tend to have a few BFG ships here and there and are more familiar with the rules than both Epic and Inquisitor.

Xisor

Eetion
30-12-2006, 20:45
I dont believe no ones mentioned BloodBowl yet....

BloodBowls great, Run a league and you will come round to my way of thinking.

Ventris_Fellstorm
30-12-2006, 20:48
Thanks for all the comments guys!


I still keep with my earlier statement Inq. & BFG...

I got so many ideas for many different games! All I need is to choose...oh boy...


I'll manage...

Yorkiebar
30-12-2006, 21:10
I personally feel that Blood Bowl is the best of the lot, even for a 40K player - I was before I started playing BB. If you really do want a 40K one, the only one I have experience of is Necromunda, which is quite good. I've heard BFG and Epic can be quite boring, at least compared to other games, and Inquisitor looks good but too complicated for my taste.

th0r
30-12-2006, 21:44
Inquisitor is by far the best of the lot but it's also the most expensive, if you dont want to use the same guys over and over wich can get quite boring. Bloodbowl on the other hand is cheap and pretty fun.

TKitch
30-12-2006, 22:00
I'd say BFG for the 40K universe. (As I voted)

Necromunda is lots of fun and cool, but has very little in the way to do with the actual universe.

BFG can be rolled into a campaign with 40K very easilly.

Epic is also cool, but I'm much less a fan of 10mm.



But Mordheim is where it's at. :D

TKitch
30-12-2006, 22:03
also, if you're stateside:

Buy yourself 2 of the boxes before they go entirely OOP. It's cheaper than buying the 8 cruisers inside, and you get fun stuff, like counters! :)

Sabbad
30-12-2006, 22:48
Well, my favourite's Inquisitor. By a long way. But just cos I like it won't mean that you will.

PS. @ Caroulus Grey: Welcome to Warseer!

Honda
30-12-2006, 23:42
I think that rather than run a poll to determine what you should play, you seriously ought to look at the fan based support for each of the games. The reason I say that is that long after the "glow" of starting a new game fades, you'll be stuck with painting forces, figuring out the rules, trying new strategies AND looking for people to play against.

Of all the SG games, there are four that provide consistent support and a large community that networks with each other, supports tournaments, and is involved in advancing the game. Those four are:

1. BFG - Possibly the largest community
2. Epic - an extremely active and diverse group
3. Bloodbowl - Even the U.S. recently had a large tournament at the GW HQ
4. Warmaster - Possibly the best set of command & control mechanics ever designed (note: has been ported to Ancients as well as Middle Earth)

Do the other games have support? Sure they do. However, and I'm not knocking any of those games because the SG line has some of the best games ever, when it comes to sustainable support over multiple geographical areas, then the big four listed above are what you are looking for.

My two yen.

And for the record, I have played Warmaster since its inception, Epic since the early 90's, and BFG off and on for about three years. Of the other games under consideration, I have seen them wax and wane and in fact at the recent Specialist Con held in Memphis this year, only BFG, Epic, and Warmaster had enough people show up to support tourneys.

If it was up to me, I'd say either Epic or BFG, but would really steer you to consider doing both because their game systems can be integrated to allow for even more grander scale games.

There is something amazing to behold, when you start the game by invading a planetary system, fight to get to the target planet, then land your forces and attempt to take over the incumbent forces.

So, do a little more research and check things out before you commit your time and resources. You'll be glad you did.

Brandir
30-12-2006, 23:52
......4. Warmaster - Possibly the best set of command & control mechanics ever designed (note: has been ported to Ancients as well as Middle Earth)......

And Blitzkreig Commander and Cold War Commander:

http://www.blitzkrieg-commander.com/

Chaos and Evil
31-12-2006, 00:42
Epic is also cool, but I'm much less a fan of 10mm.

Lucky that Epic is 6mm then! :D

Catferret
31-12-2006, 01:27
I haven't voted. I can't really help you choose one game out of a list of greatness! I love any system with an experience system or a sense of achievement over a number of games. I could recommend Inquisitor because it is the one that lets you run riot with the background of your models and go crazy converting them.. It's the pinnacle of the hobby for me. Not too many models to paint, cool conversions and a whole world of story that isn't constrained by regular rules.

Ventris_Fellstorm
31-12-2006, 09:03
Hmmm...interesting...

Hena
31-12-2006, 13:12
I voted for epic as it is what I play. As a negative side there isn't that much to convert in epic as the minis are 6mm. That is to say it can't be done, but definitely less than others I'd say. Unless you go for an army that hasn't been released yet (such as necrons) in which case you literally have to build it from scratch.

But Epic with 5k armies is very enjoyable and the battles are large. Far larger than others wield (except possibly warmaster). Although regular games are 3k.

Caroulus Grey
31-12-2006, 16:05
@ Sabbad: Thanks for the welcome!

Partisan Rimmo
31-12-2006, 16:06
You can't make me choose between those 3! It's like having to choose between children...

All of them. Play all of them. The only question is the order I suppose...

Chilltouch
31-12-2006, 16:20
Hey. I also agree with Precinct and Caroulus, go for Inquisitor. However, there are a few problems.

If you're in it just for the modelling... Er... Bugger. The thing that makes Inquisitor different to every other game that GW has ever made, except for 54mm scale models, is that it's a narrative wargame. There's no point system, there's no balance. Basically, with Inquisitor, you roleplay as you go along, making a story. In other words, if you don't roleplay, then Inquisitor probably isn't your best choice, as it isn't such a comptetitive game.

But, if you're ready to roleplay and go along with it all, go for Inquisitor! Here's a website that might be helpful too:
http://forums.specialist-games.com/inquisitor/forum_b/default.asp?CAT_ID=4

Ventris_Fellstorm
31-12-2006, 16:37
@Chilltouch: Cheers! Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. And I do roleplay. And last but not least: Welcome to Warseer to you too!

Sir_Turalyon
31-12-2006, 18:48
Mordheim, then Necro. Then BFG.

Ventris_Fellstorm
31-12-2006, 20:13
Alrighty then...almost time! Since I'm on Finish time, so you have 45 mins. before I close this thread!


Vote!


:D

Ventris_Fellstorm
31-12-2006, 21:27
HAPPY NEW YEAR GENTS! Well, now it's time...

1-2=Inquisitor
3-4=BFG
5-6=Mordheim

The dice is rolling...2...meaning that I will be starting Inquisitor in this year to come!

(just for fun...I'll roll again...Mordheim...well...)

THANK YOU EVERYONE! :D:D:D