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Mephistofeles
02-01-2007, 14:20
This might seem like a meaningless thread, but it might still be fun. Just a basic question:

What are you going to play, and why?

Me, I think I'm going to play Imperial or Eldar, allthough both Orks and Chaos are tempting just because their planes (ships?) look so DARN nice!

So, what are you guys thinking of playing, and why?

Brother Loki
02-01-2007, 14:34
I've ordered some Imperial and Chaos planes (just a few of each) so that I can equip an opponent to make it eaier to find people to play. Not sure which ones I'll end up playing yet - I'll see how I like them in game. The chaos birds will definitely get painted up as Blood Pact, and I might do the Imps as Phantine - not sure yet.

Tensor
02-01-2007, 14:42
Unsure between chaos and imperial. My fave 40k army is necrons which are nogt represented. After that, its Guard or Nightlords. Both have attractions... I think I may wait to see how they should play, and what other people I am likely to play go for.

malika
02-01-2007, 15:39
Im pondering about the Dark Eldar...

Axel
02-01-2007, 15:46
Orks. I got a major Epic army some time ago, and that includes a squad or two of fighterbommas. Before I decide to actually play (and thus order the bases) I will take a look at the rules, though.

harlequin21
02-01-2007, 15:57
Tau, to go with my BFG fleet and 40k army

rob_alderman
02-01-2007, 17:18
I'll probably go orks, and attempt to make some squat rules.

Damien 1427
02-01-2007, 17:22
Orks or Chaos. Possibly the air wing of Kolonel Squigkickers Howlin' Kommandos, or the air-fleet of my unnamed Warsmith.

Of course, if someone wrote rules for Squat Zeppelins and Gyrocopters, I'd be all over them. Because everything is better with zeppelins.

Lostanddamned
02-01-2007, 17:37
Imperials, they just seem like the most varied, and easiest to identify with, once I have a better grip of the required tactics and thinking, I plan to try out the Chaos or Tau forces.

orangesm
02-01-2007, 18:11
I am going to have Imperials (Navy and Marines) to go with my Imperial Armies for Epic and some Tau to give people to play against me - at least initially.

Ixajin
02-01-2007, 19:19
Since I have not seen anything relating to the Dark Eldar for this game, I do not yet know.

Helicon_One
02-01-2007, 19:54
I'm thinking Eldar, although I already have a bunch of Imperial aircraft for Epic so its quite lkely I'll end up playing both.

Tim

Toppan
03-01-2007, 04:04
if i figure out a reason as to why my feral ork klan are flying around...and what to use for the ships

...

HOLY CRAP FLYING SQUIGGOTHS

thank you imagination.

hm...what to use...what to use...

nightgash
03-01-2007, 07:38
None. I just can't get around the idea of dogfighting that was seen in WW2 when it is set 38,000 years in the future. I prefer Battlefleet gothic. Though if I was forced I like the Navy and Chaos models the best. Go the Hell Talon...

orangesm
03-01-2007, 08:59
If you can not get around the idea of dogfights then I suppose you do not use Attack Craft in BFG. Spacecraft have an even harder time doing station keeping than aircraft and both eventually center around supporting the ground forces. Yes entire battles in space can make a skirmish mute, because troops may not get where they are going or get delayed, but almost no army is able to simply commit exterimantus on each planet they come to. This is why there is air warfare in 38,000 years - it is more precise than orbital bombardments and lance strikes and provides degrees of firepower.

Oh and dogfighting has been seen more recently that WW2 - Vietnam, the Israeli wars, conflicts over the break up of Yugoslavia, have all seen some dogfighting.

mark_logue
03-01-2007, 10:42
My main fleet will be imperial to go with my main forces in Epic BFG and 40K guard and space wolves. Will also play a bit of orks & chaos as I already have the aircraft for my epic armies.

Stouty
03-01-2007, 21:28
The Pirata Talons, mercenaries, pirates, scavengers...whatever brings the money in.

That's imperial then I guess, though orks seem to be equally solid.

marv335
03-01-2007, 23:25
imperial mainly, although i'll probably pick up a few packs of chaos and tau as opfor.

Xavier
04-01-2007, 01:52
So, what are the odds this can be played in GW stores?

Mephistofeles
04-01-2007, 11:37
Well, that depends. They usually have no beef with FW stuff do they?

Are there anybody else out there who's actually thinking about buying a ship or two of their 40k scale models and play with...?

Voronwe[MQ]
04-01-2007, 12:33
Imperial. It is not impossible other people might get involved in my area. If that'll be the case, which I hope, our local club might well set up Aeronautica Imperialis games if the number of involved gamers is high enough.

Why is this poll closed, by the way? Could an Administrator re-open it?

Voronwe

nick
04-01-2007, 12:34
I've just received my review copy and based on the size of the scenarios I've actually ordered a couple of fleets. The main fleet I'm getting is a Imperial fleet consisting of 4 thunderbolts, 2 of each lightning, 2 Valkyries and one of each Marauder. I'm also getting a few Ork Fighters and Fighter Bombers for one of the scenarios. Finally I was after some Eldar or Tau but Forgeworld have actually already sold out of these and I cannot really wait for the next delivery as I have a review to write.

edit: My biggest reservation is the size of the non Imperial fleets... there should be a few more options really but I believe they are looking into this.

edit2: The poll is now open... there was a bug which caused it to misbehave.

Anyone got any comments on these choices?
Nick

darkprincewilson
04-01-2007, 13:02
If the rules look good and my friends want to play as well, it will be Chaos for me.

Lt. Co Steel
04-01-2007, 13:56
Having just finnished reading double eagle, i will be collecting Imperials. i think i'll go for a Marauder bomber wing, although i will have to get my hands on the rules first, just to see if its practical (damn, i love Marauder's).

ANotherFarseer
04-01-2007, 14:06
Eldar is my main force though I have picked up a few chaos for the wife, quite fancy getting some Tau and Imperials later on though for variety :angel:

nick
04-01-2007, 14:06
Having just finnished reading double eagle, i will be collecting Imperials. i think i'll go for a Marauder bomber wing, although i will have to get my hands on the rules first, just to see if its practical (damn, i love Marauder's).
It sounds like a lot of people are trying that... There is a mission in the rulebook called arc light which has two waves of aircraft. The first contains 4 Thunderbolts which aren't bad but the second wave contains 4 Marauders and 4 Lightnings. :)

Nick

cookiescrumble
04-01-2007, 14:10
I'll probably get an Ork and an Imperial fleet along with the rulebook when i do my big FW order next week.

What would be a good size fleet to start with, i.e what do i want to order?

nick
04-01-2007, 14:42
What would be a good size fleet to start with, i.e what do i want to order?
The biggest Ork Squadron in the missions has 5 Fightas and 4 Fighta Bombers (theres another with 8 fightas and 2 fighta bombers but that one has some ground units as well which are worth reading about first).

As for an imperial fleet get 4 thunderbolts but the imperial navy is quite large so you might want to consider either lightnings, valkyries and of course a marauder (or 4). I'm basing these suggestions on the missions but I think they are quite good indications of the kind of fleets you will use. I placed an order today so I think i had better warn you that they are sold out of the marauders but i think they are expecting a delivery next week.

Anyway I had better get back to reading the rules...

Nick

orangesm
04-01-2007, 14:49
A side note a fleet is a naval term where ships are involved, these are aircraft, flights, squadrons, or wings I think is more appropriate than fleets, just a thought.

An Imperial Navy Squadron sounds better for AeroImp than Imperial Navy fleet. Someone may confuse it for Battlefleet Gothic!

cookiescrumble
04-01-2007, 18:08
Thanks Nick, got my order ready.

nick
04-01-2007, 18:10
Thanks Nick, got my order ready.
Your welcome... Next time I'm down at the south coast maybe I can challenge you to a game :)

Nick

cookiescrumble
04-01-2007, 18:12
Your welcome... Next time I'm down at the south coast maybe I can challenge you to a game :)

Nick

Sounds good, i'll get my fleet ready and the rulebook read ;) .

I should get mine next week.

The Judge
04-01-2007, 19:51
Got a few Lightning's on the way... but I think they're on pre-order so my package won't be coming for weeks... :(

nick
04-01-2007, 19:58
Got a few Lightning's on the way... but I think they're on pre-order so my package won't be coming for weeks... :(
When did you order, they had some left around lunchtime but I might have got the last ones :evilgrin:

The sales figures so far are amazing for a Forgeworld game, I think they said 800 people this week taking almost all the first batch of stock. If anyone is interested I can confirm the figures...

Nick

Destris
04-01-2007, 21:07
When did you order, they had some left around lunchtime but I might have got the last ones :evilgrin:

The sales figures so far are amazing for a Forgeworld game, I think they said 800 people this week taking almost all the first batch of stock. If anyone is interested I can confirm the figures...

Nick

Yes please on the figures nick :). I'm planning on placing an order for a copy of the rules, and is this enough aircraft to play a game?

4 Valkyrie
3 Vultures
1 of each Imperial Superheavy Flyer
2 Thunderbolts

If so, I already have enough aircraft to play a game :D.
Steve

PS: Did I mention they are all 40k scale? :evilgrin:

Kiro
05-01-2007, 03:15
Tau, of course, carrying on from my 40k army :D

Jmaeta
05-01-2007, 14:01
Eldar, but I've bought fighters for all other races too, just to have some opponents.

azazel_fallenangel
05-01-2007, 14:04
How many Chaos craft would I need to start playing? I'm thinking of just ordering up a pack of each of the ships to start off with. I'll buy the rule book later, Always get models first. Don't know why, can't play them, oh well, Forge Worlds stuff is always so damn cool, but too expensive, a few little models would be brilliant.

Spacker
05-01-2007, 15:26
Damn, the poll only allows one choice.

I've had Imp Navy delivered with my AI rulebook today, and I'll be ordering Eldar flyers when they're released (hopefully around the end of the month).

Greblord
05-01-2007, 15:46
Yeah I ordered Tau with my book, and I've just bought some imperials...

azazel_fallenangel
05-01-2007, 16:09
I've just had one of those rare thoughts.
Can Chaos use Imperial units. It'd make sense, traitors are always stealing imperial stuff and adding spikes and things.
One thing that is putting me off AI a little bit is the complete lack of available units for most of the races that aren't the big-selling Imperium.

Spacker
05-01-2007, 16:24
I've just had one of those rare thoughts.
Can Chaos use Imperial units. It'd make sense, traitors are always stealing imperial stuff and adding spikes and things.
One thing that is putting me off AI a little bit is the complete lack of available units for most of the races that aren't the big-selling Imperium.

Nope, Chaos only get the 2 fighters they have models for. However, you could use the Imperial Navy list and just paint the model "chaosy".

The Tau have a good range of units too. The rest have very few, or none - I can see my Dark Eldar and Necron loving friends moaning for a while about that.

nick
05-01-2007, 16:31
How many Chaos craft would I need to start playing? I'm thinking of just ordering up a pack of each of the ships to start off with. I'll buy the rule book later, Always get models first. Don't know why, can't play them, oh well, Forge Worlds stuff is always so damn cool, but too expensive, a few little models would be brilliant.
If you want a 150 point (ish) squadron a good choice is 7 Hell Blades and 2 Hell Talons. Generally the largest mission in the rulebook talks about 200 points so you could start off with less if the people you are playing against don't have many minis.


Damn, the poll only allows one choice.

I've had Imp Navy delivered with my AI rulebook today, and I'll be ordering Eldar flyers when they're released (hopefully around the end of the month).
You can always use Epic 40k miniatures if you cannot wait that long. I admit they don't look as nice as the FW ones but they are a little cheaper.

Nick

Spacker
05-01-2007, 16:44
You can always use Epic 40k miniatures if you cannot wait that long. I admit they don't look as nice as the FW ones but they are a little cheaper.


Except that the GW Phoenix and Vampire models are awful, and much smaller. I'll wait for the FW models. I've got 82pts to 112pts of FW Imperial aircraft (depending on options), and 84pts of FW Imperial Ground Defences (3 Hydras, 3 Manticores), so I've got plenty to get me started already :)

Christine
05-01-2007, 18:41
It's possible to make aircraft that look eldar in style quite easily and which look a lot nicer than the official metal epic jobbies. I may post some piccys later.

Spacker
05-01-2007, 18:48
I'd prefer to stick with the FW models - I already have two 40k scale Phoenix bombers, and I've seen the Epic Phoenix and Vampire WIP models up close at GD UK and they were stunning, and apparently the release models are even better :)

ImBiginKorea
05-01-2007, 19:03
Oh man this is so cruel. After reading double eagle i've been drooling over the thought of this game. Alas though, I'm trying to get people into playing BFG again and then i'll try to roll it into AI. Then begins the BFG>AI>40K sweetness.
Epic would be nice, but here in Nebraska (the states) the only thing that is regularly played is the standard WF, 40k and LOTR. Oh well good flying everyone.

--Korea

Ravens Claw
06-01-2007, 09:36
Imperials all the way...
although Ive ordered Eldar and Orks also! just for kicks...

Mephistofeles
06-01-2007, 20:06
Wait a moment, did someone mention: Eldar hopefully released at the end of the month?

Is that really true? If so, I just might buy those!

Spacker
07-01-2007, 08:28
Wait a moment, did someone mention: Eldar hopefully released at the end of the month?

Is that really true? If so, I just might buy those!

Nightwings are already out. I was told by FW on the phone on Wed when I rang to ask when the Phoenix and Vampire were due and I was told they should be around the end of January. The WIP models at GD UK were impressive:

http://www.ageofstrife.com/gallery/Spack93/IMG_2052

http://www.ageofstrife.com/gallery/Spack93/IMG_2055

And I was told by FW that the release models are even better than those :)

Kiro
07-01-2007, 08:58
Again with the confusion...if these are mini's for AI, why are they labelled as 'Epic'? :confused:

Christine
07-01-2007, 09:56
Again with the confusion...if these are mini's for AI, why are they labelled as 'Epic'? :confused:

Because they are the same scale as the ones used for the Epic games system (in fact they are the same models). AI aircraft simply have the AI flying base.

IncrediSteve
13-01-2007, 06:58
I'm not going to cast a vote because I'll likely get some of all of them.

That's the dreaded thing about specialist games, the entire 40k universe can easily appeal, and you can get a small army of everything just as well as you could get an average sized 40k army.

orangesm
13-01-2007, 15:53
Very true IncrediSteve, very true. It also lets you say "Hey, you play (insert army here) in 40k, you want to try out (insert SG/FW game here) using my (insert their 40k army here) against (one of many armies/fleets/wings)."

Which is important for games like this - the GW store staff will not push the game at all.

Gen.Steiner
13-01-2007, 16:13
It sounds like a lot of people are trying that... There is a mission in the rulebook called arc light

Aha! Operation Arc Light, the USAF's bombing campaign during Vietnam! :D

I'll be fielding Thunderbolts painted in low-vis greys with yellow Theatre markings and black squadron numerals. Imperial Navy, in other words.

spacemonkey
13-01-2007, 17:30
I plan on getting an Imperial squadron to start with and maybe some Orks or Tau for my opponent to use.



One thing that is putting me off AI a little bit is the complete lack of available units for most of the races that aren't the big-selling Imperium.
Perhaps if AI does well enough, they'll have an expansion by the end of the year.

Gen_eV
13-01-2007, 19:00
Damn, the poll only allows one choice.

Seconded. Only one choice? That's hardly fair!

I've bought myself some Tau to start with, am now resisting the urge to pre-order some eldar now the Phoenix is available, and I'm looking longingly at the Orks and Imperial forces as well.

Now, just got to get my local games club into the game, and I'll be sorted!

Athmos
15-01-2007, 12:54
how to vote if you plan to play severall armies ? will do imperials, tau and eldars

Athmos

New Cult King
17-01-2007, 19:26
Tough call. I ordered 2 x Thunderbolts and a Marauder Destroyer today (I love big bombers), 2 x Barracudas, 2 x Tiger Sharks, and a set each of the Hydra and Basilisk emplacements, with a view to use the Basilisk as heavy flak guns. I will certainly be getting some Vultures and Valkyries, and a lot more Thunderbolts. I don't like the design of the Lightnings.

I intend to get some Orkses and Eldar as well. The SM and Chaos minis don't appeal to me.

marv335
17-01-2007, 20:00
i'd get lightnings anyway. they're worth having for the rules alone.
i think an imperial force without them is going to struggle against certain forces.
the marauder though, great bomber. masses of damage from bombs. :D

New Cult King
17-01-2007, 22:31
From my brief read-over of the rules, I don't really see what Lightnings do that a Thunderbolt couldn't, with the correct weapons load. How differently do they play on the table?

marv335
17-01-2007, 22:39
the higher manouvre rating is the thing that makes them better.
the ability to make the two very high manouvres makes it easier to keep up with the eldar and chaos fighters.
i don't fly without them ;)

Dranthar
18-01-2007, 03:50
If I get into this then I'd probably go for Dark Eldar. I'd just need to figure out how to convert them so that they'd look decent. :rolleyes:

xzantrax
18-01-2007, 04:02
I will go orks and imperials. That way I can have two forces so that I can play against people that havent got the game.

CELS
18-01-2007, 06:45
I'm definitely going to play Imperials (Navy, Inquisition, Marines, you name it), but it would be nice to play orks as well. I just don't like the look of the Ork Fighta Bommer. Why does it look more slender than a regular fighter? It should be huge and bulky!

ancient god
18-01-2007, 18:26
I've started painting my first Chaos Hell Blade. Tried out the rules yesterday and it's lots of fun.

The Very High manouverability of the interceptors really gives them the edge in dog fights.

Come to Chaos! :D

nick
18-01-2007, 20:38
I've just done my first game and the rules are very interesting. As people are discussing the different options I want to talk through a quick battle.

I was doing the mission which has 4 Thunderbolts vs 3 Eldar Nighthawks... the Nighthawks began the game chasing my thunderbolts but did not make full use of having initiative in the first turn. My squadron broke to the left to escape the attack got out of the line of fire. I guess the choice of manoeuvre on this turn was the key to the dog fight as it set the tone for the rest of the game. I actually gave up keeping track of exactly what happened after this point as I feel a second game is needed before I do my full review. In a dogfight you spend most of your time doing rapid turns and flips over and trying to get the enemy in your forward firing arc. At about turn 5 I decided to get out of range of the nighthawks by dropping down to an altitude of 2 to allow me to regroup. This allowed me to take more control over the game as I could keep my squadron together to avoid having them cornered by more than one nighthawk. The final result was 2 nighthawks were destroyed to 1 thunderbolt giving me the win.

Anyway now that's done I feel I have a few points to mention about the game. Firstly initiative is a mixed blessing, moving first is a major disadvantage as you begin to reveal your plan, that said firing first allowed me to take out both nighthawks which could also fire on me. The alternative moves makes for an interesting aspect but which ever player has more aircraft can use this to their advantage. All in all I'm torn about the game for doing just dogfights, there is very little action in terms of firing but I guess if you involve bombers it could become really interesting. I will be playing another bigger game soon before I do my big review but I wanted to share my thoughts so far.

Anyway, anyone got any comments on this? Did I get anything wrong?

Nick

orangesm
18-01-2007, 21:15
Just a comment about the 'little action in terms of firing'. A fighter v fighter dogfight will be rapid sequences of quick maneuvers followed by one burst from who ever gets on whose tail. Firing is not the focus of a dogfight, it is the end result.

nick
18-01-2007, 21:37
Just a comment about the 'little action in terms of firing'. A fighter v fighter dogfight will be rapid sequences of quick maneuvers followed by one burst from who ever gets on whose tail. Firing is not the focus of a dogfight, it is the end result.
In the game we were being so careful about avoiding tailing fire (which is really useful) that we probably missed out on lots of opportunities to fire. You do feel a real sense of achievement when you do manage to shoot down another aircraft. I did not intend my comment to be negative but I feel that if I do some varied missions they will probably allow the game to shine.

Nick

Kahadras
18-01-2007, 23:33
Hmmm I've been thinking of going for Imperials. A wing or two of Lightnings to start with I think. Come up with some cool background for the squadron as well. I was thinking of a white colour scheme for the majority of the planes with my Squadron leader painted blood red. OK it's an overused theme but I think it would look awesome on the gaming table.

Kahadras

Starscream1138
19-01-2007, 12:56
I'm torn between Tau and Imperials. It probably would have been Tau straight off if I hadn't just re read Double Eagle, which put me in the mood for the Imperial backs to the wall style of heroism.

marv335
19-01-2007, 13:34
the nice thing about this game is, it's going to be comparitively cheap to have a game sized air wing for every race.

Baaltharus
19-01-2007, 13:48
Gonna go Eldar myself, simply because it will go with my 40k and Gothic forces...well that and their the cheapest air wing and have a funky playing style. Might branch out to Imperials later on and get some Thunderhawks to represent my Blood Angels.

Al.

CaptainSenioris
19-01-2007, 14:20
I'm currently working on both an imperial and ork squadron, just so I can take both to my gaming club and try and get people into it, that way people who are unsure can have a try first.

Kahadras
21-01-2007, 13:57
the nice thing about this game is, it's going to be comparitively cheap to have a game sized air wing for every race

I agree. Finaly a game where you only have to buy and paint a few models. Quite a few people I've talked to are interested in the game as well so there should be most of the sides represented. They're also commenting about how cheap it should be to collect and play.

Kahadras

Tastyfish
21-01-2007, 19:02
What are Tau like? Think I'd just replace the bases on the flyers I've got for epic, though a swarm of chaos fighters is also pretty tempting. Seem to remember saying that the Tau prefer long range when they were playtesting, and I'm sure the codex says they have a slight edge in maneuvability. Is a long ranged based wing actually any good?

Gen.Steiner
21-01-2007, 20:09
I won't be replacing the bases on my Epic ones - I'll just put the AI bases next to them! :)

malika
21-01-2007, 20:43
I'm definitely going to play Imperials (Navy, Inquisition, Marines, you name it), but it would be nice to play orks as well. I just don't like the look of the Ork Fighta Bommer. Why does it look more slender than a regular fighter? It should be huge and bulky!

Maledictors thunderhawks? :angel:

Nerroth
22-01-2007, 02:13
I have 4 Barracudas (recently arrived) and an Orca, 4 Valks and 4 Vultures I used for Epic.

I'll be getting 2 more Barras, two of the Tiger Shark AX-1-0s when they show up - and I just might get a Manta!

Handy thing I play Epic, too...


Gary