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netpixie
27-01-2007, 15:51
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Cactusman
27-01-2007, 15:56
No. I can't. Not yet. But I will try. And I'll get back to you!

Kjell
27-01-2007, 16:07
Ah. The Classics range. Let's just say that they pretty much charge that much for the sake of it.

Jesse Custer
27-01-2007, 16:20
I don't really care, I prefer the last ones, those are older miniatures, the size doesn't really fit now.
Well, they have their own style.

Kodamas
27-01-2007, 17:10
Well this one beats it rather easily:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947020106701&orignav=301116

Fun and games@ 15 a model.

lord_blackfang
27-01-2007, 18:19
Anyway, can anyone beat 8.33 per mounted figure as the peak of GW ripoffery?

Easily. Here.
http://www.rackham-store.com/boutique_us/fiche_produit.cfm?type=108&ref=UKLIBO01&code_lg=lg_us&pag=1&num=8&tri=0&marq=0

And that's when comparing a classic model that GW probably needs to cast to order. How about we take comparable models from the current range to be fair?
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110203093&orignav=13
That's 6 a piece compared to Rackham's 9.

Cheers.

GideonRavenor
27-01-2007, 18:34
I'm just disturbed by that beastman...

generulpoleaxe
27-01-2007, 18:46
Easily. Here.
http://www.rackham-store.com/boutique_us/fiche_produit.cfm?type=108&ref=UKLIBO01&code_lg=lg_us&pag=1&num=8&tri=0&marq=0

And that's when comparing a classic model that GW probably needs to cast to order. How about we take comparable models from the current range to be fair?
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110203093&orignav=13
That's 6 a piece compared to Rackham's 9.

Cheers.

you do realize those rackham minis have a hell of a lot more detail on them as well as metal horses, not plastic ones like gw.


the classics range is over priced purely because they can get away with it.
some people will pay for it. also, more stuff brought out of retirement as ebays oop sales go up. must realy annoy the collectors.

Serpent
27-01-2007, 18:49
Metal Grotz. Penny for Point, they have to be quite expensive...

Serpent

The game is afoot
27-01-2007, 19:24
Plastic, it must be the 25 pound Giant, by weight.
Possible second is the new Empire swordsman, singular, one plastic swordsmen is now 1.20 on it's own. that is huge.

Metal; I'll go with the old Trish Morrison classic halflings. That mould has paid for itself over and over and over to the point that those halflings must be coming at at less than 0.01p each and what does the Halfling standard bearer come in at? 3.00 quid for one model.
Thats an impressive mark up right there. Nearly 3000%.

t-tauri
27-01-2007, 19:34
Well this one beats it rather easily:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947020106701&orignav=301116

Fun and games@ 15 a model.Almost certainly that's the price for the complete beastman chariot (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110201150&orignav=13) as he's the old crewman from it. The other classic driver is 1.25. Just a glitch on the store.

As an aside I hadn't realised they'd updated the crew for those chariots. Time for a bitz order.

As for Rackham, I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. Far too stretched bodies for my eyes, plus the prices in the UK are shocking even in comparison with GW's worst excesses.

IJW
27-01-2007, 19:39
Metal; I'll go with the old Trish Morrison classic halflings. That mould has paid for itself over and over and over to the point that those halflings must be coming at at less than 0.01p each and what does the Halfling standard bearer come in at? 3.00 quid for one model.
Thats an impressive mark up right there. Nearly 300%.
It's a metal model. That means moulds that wear out relatively rapidly, and high bulk materials costs. It's only plastics that get cheaper with time...

The game is afoot
27-01-2007, 19:44
It's a metal model. That means moulds that wear out relatively rapidly, and high bulk materials costs. It's only plastics that get cheaper with time...

If they are large and pointy then I have no disagreement with you, but when they are small and rounded and the moulds are well vented they can last for decades. With regard to the Trish Morrison halflings, they might be in a second wheel by now but they weren't in 2003 when I chatted with Keith about them. Keith runs the production casting at Lenton. Those models were originally casted in 1983-84, and the silicon rubber cost for 2 moulds is insubstantial compared to the turnover of the same models for 23 years.
They are pure gold.

Hashut's Li'l Helper
27-01-2007, 19:44
Plastic, it must be the 25 pound Giant, by weight.
Possible second is the new Empire swordsman, singular, one plastic swordsmen is now 1.20 on it's own. that is huge.

Metal; I'll go with the old Trish Morrison classic halflings. That mould has paid for itself over and over and over to the point that those halflings must be coming at at less than 0.01p each and what does the Halfling standard bearer come in at? 3.00 quid for one model.
Thats an impressive mark up right there. Nearly 300%.

maybe we should put TGIA in charge of pricing, a 300% markup is what they charge normally. Perhaps you mean 30,000% markup?:cool:

The game is afoot
27-01-2007, 19:49
Thank you hashut, I bow to your superior mathematics.:)

JT-Y
27-01-2007, 20:11
Well, the classic models aren't cast to order. The MO warehouse stocks literally bins full of pomponents like that.
They never cast just 1, they cast 1000 as this is a more productive use of time in manufacturing.

Consider also, models like that from direct aren't packaged, no boxes, no shrinkwrap, no UK tax on wasted space in packaging.
Just popped into riplock baggies and sent on their way.

Moulds? Well a silicon mould isn't overly expensive compared to a natural rubber one and lasts for roughly 10,000 spins. Quality of many GW mini's today proves that moulds are being used beyond their life when another company would have replaced them. 10 models per mould? Alot of spins? Expenses increasing with time isn't a viable excuse.

Staff price for those Brets, including horses, is roughly 0.50 each. Probably less. Staff pay cost.

In defence, GW uses silicon moulds and tin pewter. Much more expensive than the natural rubber moulds and lead pewter favoured by Rackham.

IJW
27-01-2007, 20:33
If they are large and pointy then I have no disagreement with you, but when they are small and rounded and the moulds are well vented they can last for decades. With regard to the Trish Morrison halflings, they might be in a second wheel by now but they weren't in 2003 when I chatted with Keith about them. Keith runs the production casting at Lenton. Those models were originally casted in 1983-84, and the silicon rubber cost for 2 moulds is insubstantial compared to the turnover of the same models for 23 years.
They are pure gold.
Fair enough about the lifespan of the moulds.

However...
In 1983-4 Citadel were still producing small solid-based models. I've got the halfling models from that era to prove it. :) These halflings were done a decade later in the 90s.

You seem to be mixing up the economics of plastic models and white metal models. Once you get past production runs of a few hundred, there are effectively NO unit cost reductions for white metal models, as the bulk of the production costs come in the form of the white metal itself.
Plastics, of course, are a totally different matter - very high upfront costs but raw materials so cheap they are almost 'free'.

EDIT - points-wise I agree that it's metal Grots. :(

The game is afoot
27-01-2007, 20:52
No Ian, there is no mistake, the halflings with bows and the halflings with swords are still in the classics lists, I looked them up this evening to get the prices. I'm not talking about Lumpin Croop here, but the older models.
here is an example 9947020202708, not slotta base but definitely a Trish Morrison special circa 83-84.

Wraithbored
27-01-2007, 20:59
How about the chaos spawn? In a LaTD army they'll force you to go bankrupt. Also since we're comparing prices from other ranges how about a squad of death korps of krieg from FW?

IJW
27-01-2007, 21:10
here is an example 9947020202708, not slotta base but definitely a Trish Morrison special circa 83-84.
Actually we're BOTH wrong about the designer, they were by Alan Perry (http://solegends.com/citcat9x3/c92362emphalflings-01.htm). ;)
And I was out by a year - they came out in 1992 (http://solegends.com/citcat9x3/index.htm) when the new Empire range was released with 4th ed WFB.

I've got early 80s solid based halflings, and Perry Twins halflings from 1986 (C11 range (http://solegends.com/citjour86a/cj86ap26c11halflings-01.htm)), and NONE of them are in the classics range any more.

Lord Malek The Red Knight
28-01-2007, 00:57
i win? (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0105002&orignav=9) ;)

when i saw that for the first time i was all like OMG? :wtf: :eek: :eyebrows:

~ Tim

Angelwing
28-01-2007, 02:34
hells bells. 3 bikers?

Hellebore
28-01-2007, 03:31
Apart from LordMalekTheBigDADDY's example I believe in a previous thread it was determined that the rough rider was the most expensive per point:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060105044&orignav=10


I went for the groz myself, but I'm pretty sure rough riders are the most expensive per point.

Hellebore

The game is afoot
28-01-2007, 06:34
Actually we're BOTH wrong about the designer, they were by Alan Perry (http://solegends.com/citcat9x3/c92362emphalflings-01.htm). ;)
And I was out by a year - they came out in 1992 (http://solegends.com/citcat9x3/index.htm) when the new Empire range was released with 4th ed WFB.

I've got early 80s solid based halflings, and Perry Twins halflings from 1986 (C11 range (http://solegends.com/citjour86a/cj86ap26c11halflings-01.htm)), and NONE of them are in the classics range any more.

Yeah I've got those miniatures as well, I shall go back to the drawing board and dredge up more information but you have this game in your favour sir.
Alan Perry eh? He's a dark horse that boy.
Perhaps that explains why Keith still had the original wheel in good condition in the early noughties?
Those little beasties are a licence to print money.

The boyz
28-01-2007, 09:28
i win? (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0105002&orignav=9) ;)

Yes,Yes you do.

Jesus those are expensive, I cant believe how much it costs for those three bikers.

Spacemunkie
28-01-2007, 09:35
How about this, for the sheer ****-takery:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947029901009&orignav=9

New Cult King
28-01-2007, 09:36
It's only plastics that get cheaper with time...

Oh man, I laughed so hard at this. From the perspective of a consumer, the plastics have increased in price in Australia from $34.95 in 1999 to $50.00 in 2006, for the exact same box sets! Such a shame that GW doesn't, or can't, pass those savings on.

Spinegaunt01
28-01-2007, 10:30
How about this, for the sheer ****-takery:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947029901009&orignav=9

O.....M......G.....

I don't really know what to say..... that is......that is.....

(Looks at a gravel driveway)

words simply fail me......

IJW
28-01-2007, 11:00
Oh man, I laughed so hard at this.

I was just talking about production costs, unfortunately. :cries:


i win? (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0105002&orignav=9) ;)

If we're including conversions, nope.

That'd be the Speed Freaks Battlewagon (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0103002&orignav=9) at... drum roll, please... 124! :eek:

But those bikers do seem to be the most expensive non-vehicle models but quite a way.

james1225
28-01-2007, 11:12
Any plastic stuff, its just overpriced an worthless, go for metal anytime even if it costs me 25p more on each model.

lord_blackfang
28-01-2007, 11:18
Any plastic stuff, its just overpriced an worthless, go for metal anytime even if it costs me 25p more on each model.

I guess you don't do conversions.

Permanganate
28-01-2007, 11:29
How about this, for the sheer ****-takery:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947029901009&orignav=9

I've seen that before on these boards - I think someone said it was from a FB Siege set or something. Still, at least that particular piece of a large set is on the website. Too many aren't, these days.

Lord Malek The Red Knight
28-01-2007, 13:33
If we're including conversions, nope.

That'd be the Speed Freaks Battlewagon (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0103002&orignav=9) at... drum roll, please... 124! :eek:
fair enough. :p

im not sure what's worse: the price, or the way it looks? :(

~ Tim

Kjell
28-01-2007, 17:09
How about this, for the sheer ****-takery:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947029901009&orignav=9

Hey, I think I have that one! If I'm not mistaken it's part of the WHFB orc rock lobber. In that context I guess it's justified, even though you get a couple of goblins carrying large rocks with the set.

Arhalien
28-01-2007, 17:16
What about Eldar jetbikes in USA. Not hugely overpriced but compared to UK ones; I don;t think the exchange rate is so bad that 6 here becomes $15 dollars there.

I think the new wraithlord originally came up as 9999 on the UK online store :D

Sorry if these have been mentioned before, can;t be bothered to read the whole thread :)

RampagingRavener
28-01-2007, 20:06
I'm suprised no-one's yet mentioned Wraithgaurd (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060104008&orignav=10) at 8 per model. That's pretty steep for a one-peice, roughly man-sized mini.

Hashut's Li'l Helper
28-01-2007, 21:09
I'm suprised no-one's yet mentioned Wraithgaurd (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060104008&orignav=10) at 8 per model. That's pretty steep for a one-peice, roughly man-sized mini.

they are actually 2 piece, but the funny thing is that you can buy the 2 pieces for 7.50

Shallowain
28-01-2007, 21:13
I'm suprised no-one's yet mentioned Wraithgaurd (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060104008&orignav=10) at 8 per model. That's pretty steep for a one-peice, roughly man-sized mini.

actually, those consist of two parts iirc

Ravik
28-01-2007, 21:16
I'm suprised no-one's yet mentioned Wraithgaurd (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060104008&orignav=10) at 8 per model. That's pretty steep for a one-peice, roughly man-sized mini.

Odd thing is that they've barely gone up in price. Way back in 2nd ed, they were 7 pounds. Which is really good (change in price wise) considering how other things have become a far bit more expensive.

75hastings69
28-01-2007, 21:23
I myself particularly like this (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0205001&orignav=300810) not just it costs 47.25 for 5 plastic models, but the timeless statement "Please note that this set does not include the plasticard needed to make the skis". Great!!!!

baphomael
28-01-2007, 21:54
I myself particularly like this (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0205001&orignav=300810) not just it costs 47.25 for 5 plastic models, but the timeless statement "Please note that this set does not include the plasticard needed to make the skis". Great!!!!

I like how it also said it comes with enough parts to make 15 Empire militia(!).

Yes, because most Dwarf players would be that fussed about Empire militia :P

IJW
28-01-2007, 21:54
5 plastic models plus enough extra parts for a further 18...

But it's a great quote!

Permanganate
28-01-2007, 21:56
actually, those consist of two parts iirc

Yes, they do - heads are separate parts. There are three heads and three bodies.

(Stick them all together and get a Chaos Wraithlord!) :p

Necrontyr
28-01-2007, 22:16
What about price in relating to the rest of the army? Say you want to do a guard army with Mordians or Praetorins, etc.

$5 a piece (USD) That's $50 a squad without specials or heavies which are even more money. $.83 a point. And unlike grots, you need to have a lot of them in your army, minimum 40 models. So $200 for a bare bones HQ and two troops.

Dspankdo
29-01-2007, 11:58
tau war correspondent (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0113001&orignav=300810)

Osbad
29-01-2007, 12:05
I nominate the new(-ish) all-plastic Balrog:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99121499016&orignav=16

A whole 5 years ago when the original Balrog came out at 40 including Gandy it felt expensive, but at least you were getting one huge hunk o' metal for your money. Now all you get is craptastic plastic...

And at least with the 25 Giant you get spare sprues of gubbins for basing and other projects. With the Balrog all you get is a spare weapon, which is neither use nor ornament...

Why anyone buys this thing instead of the original "Khazad-dum" metal version is beyond me.

Jedi152
29-01-2007, 12:18
How about the chaos spawn? In a LaTD army they'll force you to go bankrupt. Also since we're comparing prices from other ranges how about a squad of death korps of krieg from FW?
You want expensive spawn? (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0201002&orignav=301116)

And it's interesting to note that the pic is just the same one flipped and re-coloured.

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Cadian biker rough-riders yet. 82.50 for 3 bikes, not even a full squad? Yes please!
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0105002&orignav=300810

**EDIT** Damn! LordMalekTheRedKnight said it on page two.

mattjgilbert
29-01-2007, 12:21
You want expensive spawn? (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0201002&orignav=301116)

And it's interesting to note that the pic is just the same one flipped and re-coloured.
It's also a Chaso Spawn...whatever that is :)

Jedi152
29-01-2007, 12:22
Good to see GW's proofreaders are still putting the overtime in! ;)

pookie
29-01-2007, 13:02
not sure its been said, but how about the price hike that happened when the points value for most minis was slashed in half, hence you need twice as many models to build your army! example was a old Tacticle sqaud qould be 300 points ( plus upgrades ) now they are 150 ( plus upgrades ) but actualy cost a few pounds more per sqaud! so thats GW selling two sqds when prev i would have only bought one!

cailus
30-01-2007, 04:41
Nurglings - AUD$25 for a model that points wise is less than 1 single space marine scout.

Lord Malek The Red Knight
30-01-2007, 19:16
There are three heads and three bodies.

(Stick them all together and get a Chaos Wraithlord!) :p
*chokes*

ROFLOL! :D


not sure its been said, but how about the price hike that happened when the points value for most minis was slashed in half, hence you need twice as many models to build your army!
never quite got that argument: i just play smaller (pts) games than i used to, with the same number of models. :confused:

~ Tim

Luke
30-01-2007, 20:00
Wouldn't it be quicker to find GW's underpriced models? I think the whole damn GW range is overpriced. And as for rackham being more expensive, well they are, but If you cannot see that those figures are miniature pieces of art then you must be totally blind or a brainwashed fanboi. The current Rackham line beats the living hell out of GW's cliched, chunky, cluttered, bubble-arsed miniatures.

What is GW's single most overpriced miniature? Not including the classic and collectors ranges? Probably the new empire soldiers set.

Tymell
30-01-2007, 21:34
tau war correspondent (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0113001&orignav=300810)

*loses power of speech*

Okay, that would be a definite contender...along with the 124 Ork Truck.

This one, while only half that, is still pretty steep: http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0105001&orignav=9

If we're including Forge World stuff, I'd say it's the Tau Manta. Yes, I know it is a huge kit and it is very impressive, but 900? You could get a used car for less than that.

swordwind
30-01-2007, 21:47
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Cadian biker rough-riders yet. 82.50 for 3 bikes, not even a full squad? Yes please!
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0105002&orignav=300810



What makes it even worse is that you can get 3 German Bikers for 8 from Foundry and with greenstuff shoulderpads look near identical to Cadians.

sigur
30-01-2007, 21:54
...roughly man-sized mini.

They are much taller than a man-sized mini.

Spacemunkie
30-01-2007, 22:08
This thread is an incredible testament to GW's mastery of the art of Alchemy......

:D

Angelwing
31-01-2007, 00:35
If we're including Forge World stuff, I'd say it's the Tau Manta. Yes, I know it is a huge kit and it is very impressive, but 900? You could get a used car for less than that.

my current car, and previous car cost less added together! :eek:

LOTRCROWN
31-01-2007, 19:16
i personally think GW is starting to get to pricey but ive been collecting the last 17 years so i really cant stop lol

The game is afoot
31-01-2007, 21:39
I was chatting to a local manager recently and he was saying the mums and dads are still buying the same amount they have been over the last 5 years, in his store.
He said where they are losing the sales because of the high prices, is at late teenage level and University entrance age level.
When the kids leave home they do not have the funds to collect GW models anymore.

BlazeXI
31-01-2007, 21:40
You want expensive spawn? (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0201002&orignav=301116)




You must be paying for those (neck/tail) joints, you know;).

I still have 4 of those in mint condition. And will sell for less than GW if anyone is interested :evilgrin: .

Reading this thread I managed to resist temptation to do a "GW underpricing mistakes thread". If it existed GW would easly track down mistakes in their on-line store and fix it... I have found recently a huge mistake in the US online but will not share it in public.

Brotherdraagor
01-02-2007, 16:56
I was chatting to a local manager recently and he was saying the mums and dads are still buying the same amount they have been over the last 5 years, in his store.
He said where they are losing the sales because of the high prices, is at late teenage level and University entrance age level.
When the kids leave home they do not have the funds to collect GW models anymore.

Hmmm, if this is the case then perhaps a student discount would be a possibility? It would make sense from a business point of view.

The game is afoot
01-02-2007, 16:57
i personally think GW is starting to get to pricey but ive been collecting the last 17 years so i really cant stop lol

It has to be said the LotR models are still very good quality.
Even though the 40K and particularly Warhammer sculpts have slipped a bit in quality those LotR models are definitely still very nice models.
I may find myself picking some of those new Mordor Trolls to play Armies of Arcana with. A few minor conversions and they will be be very nice.

cybertrophic
01-02-2007, 20:12
Easily. Here.
http://www.rackham-store.com/boutique_us/fiche_produit.cfm?type=108&ref=UKLIBO01&code_lg=lg_us&pag=1&num=8&tri=0&marq=0

And that's when comparing a classic model that GW probably needs to cast to order. How about we take comparable models from the current range to be fair?
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110203093&orignav=13
That's 6 a piece compared to Rackham's 9.

Cheers.

I have that very box on my desk. The difference is that even the Horses are lead, unlike the crappy plastic ones you get for the bretonnians.... Not to mention that the leader (Dragan D'Orianthe, if you must know) costs somewhat less than an equivalent GW miniature (the Green Knight) and, again, it is all lead, with no plastic. Oh, and you get the rules to the game free with every miniature....

For sheer rip-offery, how about this (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0212003&orignav=301116)?
40 for a plastic dragon and a little metal elf?!?

BlazeXI
01-02-2007, 21:25
For sheer rip-offery, how about this (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0212003&orignav=301116)?
40 for a plastic dragon and a little metal elf?!?

The only 3 plastic parts of that model are wings and base. Rest is metal.
this is an archive model. As it's life cycle has come to an end it has been phased out from regular sales. Producion and storage of such slow movers costs a lot of money compared to high movers. The price actually is so high so you would rather take a newer version...

MampiSwift
01-02-2007, 21:48
you show me a gw product that is value for money, i'll show you a living, breathing unicorn

asmodai_dark86
01-02-2007, 22:09
Hmmmm I was going to say the cadian box set but bottled it so...

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=60010299002&orignav=13

Its worth it for the goblins alone, and ebay will easily eat the dwarves if you sell them cheap enough - at the end of the day, you could end up paying 20 quid for whats essentially a goblin battleforce. Value for moneys a rarity, but its there.

Call it 20 quid for the goblin army - 3 sets gives you:
6 Shamens
3 trolls
30 spider riders
120 spear goblins
60 archer gobbos

Enough cunning conversion will also give you a goblin boss instead of a shamen, or add in an extra tenner and grab bits like snotlings and a boss...

Now give me my unicorn!

lanrak
01-02-2007, 23:12
Hmmm.
That is interesting 100+ plastic models and rules book for 40 quid.
Thats less than 40p per plastic minature.

If GW are making a profit on the BFSP ,then they would make a profit on plastic regiment boxed sets at 10quid a box...
Why do they charge 18 quid?

Greed thats why!

dodicula
02-02-2007, 04:47
Easily. Here.
http://www.rackham-store.com/boutique_us/fiche_produit.cfm?type=108&ref=UKLIBO01&code_lg=lg_us&pag=1&num=8&tri=0&marq=0

And that's when comparing a classic model that GW probably needs to cast to order. How about we take comparable models from the current range to be fair?
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110203093&orignav=13
That's 6 a piece compared to Rackham's 9.

Cheers.

Apples and oranges, those sculpts are more detailed than most GW characters (certainly than the elector count) making them quite a bargain actually

dodicula
02-02-2007, 04:51
Wouldn't it be quicker to find GW's underpriced models? I think the whole damn GW range is overpriced. And as for rackham being more expensive, well they are, but If you cannot see that those figures are miniature pieces of art then you must be totally blind or a brainwashed fanboi. The current Rackham line beats the living hell out of GW's cliched, chunky, cluttered, bubble-arsed miniatures.

What is GW's single most overpriced miniature? Not including the classic and collectors ranges? Probably the new empire soldiers set.

Amen brother

Tymell
02-02-2007, 05:59
For sheer rip-offery, how about this (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0212003&orignav=301116)?
40 for a plastic dragon and a little metal elf?!?

I've got that model, and as said, most of it is metal. It weighs a ton. 44 is too much I'd say, but no more outstanding than any of GW's other releases.

Hellebore
02-02-2007, 07:45
Apples and oranges, those sculpts are more detailed than most GW characters (certainly than the elector count) making them quite a bargain actually

I see nicely sculpted rackham models, with some extra swirly embossing on their armour - I certainly don't see 'more detailed'.

Their shields are all identical, whilst the grail knights have different embossing. Their armour is almost identical, whilst each grail knight has unique heraldry and icons.

I see VERY nicely sculpted miniatures, but I don't see 'more detailed', or better value for money.

Hellebore

Luke
02-02-2007, 10:11
Then you have never seen them in the flesh my friend. Rackham models are works of art. Contemporary and fresh. Totally metal, they are not shafting you for useless muddles lumps of plastic.

cybertrophic
02-02-2007, 10:31
Then you have never seen them in the flesh my friend. Rackham models are works of art. Contemporary and fresh. Totally metal, they are not shafting you for useless muddles lumps of plastic.

Got to agree there - 16 or more for the Green Knight, on a plastic horse, or 12 or so for the all metal Dragan D'Orianthe? Easy choice, really. Not to mention, as I said before, you get the game rules and all reference material required for the model free with the model. No codex/army book required, no 30 rulebook either. Got to be better value, in my opinion - that's without taking into account the fact that the sculpts are generally better detailed/just plain nicer.

Agamemnon2
02-02-2007, 10:35
Works of art, yes. Then again, almost everything can be art.

Rackham's style is very much their own, with very little influence taken from real-world history. I think that's the reason I dislike them so much.

pookie
02-02-2007, 11:34
*chokes*

ROFLOL! :D


never quite got that argument: i just play smaller (pts) games than i used to, with the same number of models. :confused:

~ Tim

Well for 1500 points i used to be able to get 5 tac sqauds, i now can get 10 for 1500 points - hence twice as many models, doesnt seem too hard to work out that i now pay twice as much for a force.

so yes i could play smaller games, but with less models and less points...

also: Quote: Call it 20 quid for the goblin army - 3 sets gives you:
6 Shamens
3 trolls
30 spider riders
120 spear goblins
60 archer gobbos

that would be 3 sets at 120 - divided by 2 becuase the dwarfs will get ebayed, still 60.00 not quite sure why you think it would be 20.00?

Adept
02-02-2007, 12:25
you show me a gw product that is value for money, i'll show you a living, breathing unicorn

It's entirely subjective, my friend. I knew a guy who insisted that paying hundreds of dollars for toy soldiers was stupid. He went out the next week and bought a fishing reel for $2,000.

Everyone has their vice. Everyone has a hobby that outsiders view as a money sink. Some people collect stamps, others tinker with their cars, some buy toy soldiers.


Then you have never seen them in the flesh my friend. Rackham models are works of art. Contemporary and fresh. Totally metal, they are not shafting you for useless muddles lumps of plastic.

Again, entirely subjective. While I love Rackhams stuff, I don't see it as any better or worse than the GW stuff. I prefer some elements of both ranges.

Mr Tiddles
02-02-2007, 12:36
Got to agree there - 16 or more for the Green Knight, on a plastic horse,

The Green Knight's horse is metal.

Tymell
02-02-2007, 13:39
you show me a gw product that is value for money, i'll show you a living, breathing unicorn

http://www.specialist-games.com/

7 rulebooks, totally free to download. Unicorn?

But sriously, as Adept says, it's all a matter of perspective. Personally, I do think GW is over-priced right now, but I think they were fine when I started out around 10 years ago. But even then, most people I knew would tell me I was spending far too much on them. Equally, I wouldn't be willing to fork out hundreds of pounds for a gaming console, or millions for a piece of "modern art", or whatever. Value for money is determined by the enjoyment gained from the product, and that is something personal to the buyer.

Jedi152
02-02-2007, 13:45
you show me a gw product that is value for money, i'll show you a living, breathing unicorn

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947021404401&orignav=9
Excellent looking character, 3.

Hena
02-02-2007, 13:52
For SG, I'd say that this is borderline insane
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060303039&orignav=300808

Normal game is 3000 points, that is 50 points in game.

Bombot
02-02-2007, 15:26
you show me a gw product that is value for money, i'll show you a living, breathing unicorn

Hey, I'm happy to bitch about GW pricing but even I think BoFA is a good deal:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=60011699001&orignav=300808

EDIT - oh, Hena got there first! EDIT AGAIN - oh no he didn't.

Tymell
02-02-2007, 16:50
Hey, I'm happy to bitch about GW pricing but even I think BoFA is a good deal:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=60011699001&orignav=300808

EDIT - oh, Hena got there first!

Don't think so, unless you're referring to a post a couple of pages back that I missed. Hena's link goes to the Epic Ork Squiggoth. It's just that the part of the link you can see in the post is the same, the individual code in the middle is different.

Hena
02-02-2007, 18:21
Yup, my post was for the very expensive model in terms of gaming.

The game is afoot
02-02-2007, 19:45
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9947021404401&orignav=9
Excellent looking character, 3.


He's an ok sculpt for Mordheim but he's certainly not worth a penny more than they are charging.
He's not much chop for Warhammer either, he doesn't fit in.
Maybe he's be better in 40K.
He's been superceded by quality sculpts from other companies.

I agree with Bombot as far as GW go the BoFA is a pretty reasonab;e deal and Hena makes a valid point with a 9 quid 50 point Squiggoth.

Bombot
02-02-2007, 19:55
Don't think so, unless you're referring to a post a couple of pages back that I missed. Hena's link goes to the Epic Ork Squiggoth. It's just that the part of the link you can see in the post is the same, the individual code in the middle is different.

Yep, I saw the address and assume it was the same. Tried to use the link to check but it was taking too long to load so I just went ahead with my assumption.

That's me looking silly eh? :)

I did wonder what he was on about with his 50 points in 3000. :confused:

Shallowain
02-02-2007, 20:00
ahem, this "johann" Miniature *is* from the warhammer range. It is a rarely seen DoW unit, that comes together with this (http://de.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.de?do=Individual&code=9947021404402&orignav=13) individual. They are witchhunters.

The reference is here:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/dogsofwar/including/
They are mentioned under empire, the second one. unfortunately, I can not find their rules on the english site, but you can find them on the german site.
http://download.games-workshop.biz/314

GideonRavenor
02-02-2007, 21:49
Johann's rules are quite findable on google and the model is great. I just painted him up for my empire army and he looks fantastic.

Tymell
02-02-2007, 21:52
Yep, I saw the address and assume it was the same. Tried to use the link to check but it was taking too long to load so I just went ahead with my assumption.

That's me looking silly eh? :)

I did wonder what he was on about with his 50 points in 3000. :confused:

No worries :)

As another possible good value choice, the Battle For Skull Pass set is pretty good value for 40, when you consider how much stuff you get.

I do worry about this thread going ever so slightly off-topic now that we're actually talking about (effectively) the least over priced stuff :p

Mikhaila
03-02-2007, 03:34
Skull Pass is an even better deal at 45 dollars US.)

Imp of High Noon
03-02-2007, 04:51
Having read five pages of this, I have to say we totally need our heads looked at. Personally I've tried to stop I really have, but it's like an addiction, they got me when I was eight years old! Eight years old man! At least the tobaco industry has to wait until you're sixteen, at twenty five I consider myself lost.

But anyway This (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99140299001&orignav=13) strikes me as fairly criminal.

BlazeXI
03-02-2007, 08:32
Call it 20 quid for the goblin army - 3 sets gives you:
6 Shamens
3 trolls
30 spider riders
120 spear goblins
60 archer gobbos

Enough cunning conversion will also give you a goblin boss instead of a shamen, or add in an extra tenner and grab bits like snotlings and a boss...

Now give me my unicorn!

Asmodai, there is a Big Boss and a Shaman in the set, not 2 Shamans (or is Shamen a better plural?).

Forgotmytea
03-02-2007, 08:49
But anyway This (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99140299001&orignav=13) strikes me as fairly criminal.
Yeah. I was contemplating buying that until I saw the price... :p

The classic Fiends (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0201003&orignav=301116) come in at 8.25 a model :eek:, and Dechala (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=COMP0201011&orignav=301116)'s 11.....

-Forgotmytea

snurl
03-02-2007, 09:11
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99061464034&orignav=9

This is a lot for one figure. Who is only mentioned breifly in the book and isn't in the movie at all....

Tymell
03-02-2007, 09:51
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?WCI=Menu&WCE=Search

This is a lot for one figure. Who is only mentioned breifly in the book and isn't in the movie at all....

Is there a problem with the link, I only get a search with no results when I follow it? :confused:

snurl
03-02-2007, 10:27
OK try it now, i fixed it, sorry.:o

Bombot
03-02-2007, 11:06
Having read five pages of this, I have to say we totally need our heads looked at. Personally I've tried to stop I really have, but it's like an addiction, they got me when I was eight years old! Eight years old man! At least the tobaco industry has to wait until you're sixteen, at twenty five I consider myself lost.

But anyway This (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99140299001&orignav=13) strikes me as fairly criminal.

Yeah, but that one there is 'art'. I mean, you'd pay millions for a Donatello :cheese:

No, I'm not convinced either :)

Neknoh
03-02-2007, 11:23
Why on earth has noone mentioned the warhounds?

7 for 12 points worth of models! (http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?WCI=Menu&WCE=Search)

EvC
03-02-2007, 11:39
Bad link there, but we know what you mean ;)

Dire Wolves are awful value too, a mostly plastic model with a metal head that is barely distinbuishable from the usual plastic head.

Aegius
03-02-2007, 13:05
I nominate the new(-ish) all-plastic Balrog:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99121499016&orignav=16

A whole 5 years ago when the original Balrog came out at 40 including Gandy it felt expensive, but at least you were getting one huge hunk o' metal for your money. Now all you get is craptastic plastic...

And at least with the 25 Giant you get spare sprues of gubbins for basing and other projects. With the Balrog all you get is a spare weapon, which is neither use nor ornament...

Why anyone buys this thing instead of the original "Khazad-dum" metal version is beyond me.


but the plastic balrog is amazing. It is just as detailed as the metal one, plus has the parts to equip it with sword or whip (If you wanted to do this with metals you would need to buy both the metal models - costing a total of 75 pounds, due to the licensing contract with new line cinema.) and it also comes with a badass moulded base.

Lets also add that plastic kits are much easier to work with than metal kits. the metal balrog was a beatch to put together whereas the plastic one almost makes itself. Lets face it who ACTUALLY LIKES pinning models.

Makaber
03-02-2007, 14:26
Why on earth has noone mentioned the warhounds?
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Exactly! And the real kicker is, they are undeniably of very high gaming value, so you kinda need a handful of them.

Imp of High Noon
03-02-2007, 15:53
(If you wanted to do this with metals you would need to buy both the metal models - costing a total of 75 pounds, due to the licensing contract with new line cinema.)


Legend has it that the licence is getting rejigged or something in legaleese, to allow for cross gaming purposes, so I heard.

asmodai_dark86
03-02-2007, 16:30
Ahh I thought it was two shamens. Even better then if you get one of each, all you need is a bit of rejigging and a lot of time to paint the things.
There suprisingly good sculpts.

Aelyn
03-02-2007, 17:35
Exactly! And the real kicker is, they are undeniably of very high gaming value, so you kinda need a handful of them.

Easy fix - buy a Gobbo Wolf Rider regiment, and you get 10 wolves which are perfectly acceptable for Warhounds plus lots of bits!

I play Goblins, my mate plays Chaos. We split a box, 12 for me (I got 5 Riders and lotsa bits) and 6 for him (for a unit of 5 Hounds).

Makaber
03-02-2007, 19:11
I've heard that about a zillion times, but gobbo wolves look silly, and warhound models look neat. Besides, it's not like I can't afford them, it's just painful to shell out so much dough for so few points, is all.

Osbad
05-02-2007, 11:17
but the plastic balrog is amazing. It is just as detailed as the metal one,

No it isn't. The placcy 'rog is a scan of the metal one and has a lot less definition in the casting. I've compared both models up close and it is easy to spot the difference. Plastic looks like plastic, and not as good as metal. Simple truism.


plus has the parts to equip it with sword or whip (If you wanted to do this with metals you would need to buy both the metal models

But why would I want to - I can buy the metal one with a sword or a whip already. That's a metal sword or a metal whip. Why would I want to buy a model with both options unless I was some sort of simpleton who couldn't make their mind up until the last minute...? No need to spend 75, just the need to make my mind up before I get to the till!


- costing a total of 75 pounds, due to the licensing contract with new line cinema.)

What has the New Line contract got to do with the price point for metal Balrogs? That phrase doesn't make any sort of sense. In addition it is an urban myth that the New Line licence was paid for as a direct levy on models.


and it also comes with a badass moulded base.

Well, we are entering the realms of pure personal opinion, so I accept your opinion that the base is worth paying for. To my eyes though, the base is rubbish. The flames look nothing like flames - just a thin sheet of plastic - a simple cheap scan of the flames from the 'rog's back - something I could have come up with in five minutes by making a Greenstuff mould of the relevant kit part. Rubbish, pure and simple.


Lets also add that plastic kits are much easier to work with than metal kits. the metal balrog was a beatch to put together whereas the plastic one almost makes itself. Lets face it who ACTUALLY LIKES pinning models.

Again I find my mileage varies. GW's plastic kits actually aren't that great compared to industry standard. There are often whopping great gaps that need filling. just like in metal ones. Personally I find pinning no great hassle and enjoyed building my 'rog - the extra effort being worth it for the better end result.

Let's put it another way - if GW introduced a metal Leman Russ for the same price as their existing plastic kit - wouldn't it look like a bargain?

azazel_fallenangel
05-02-2007, 12:01
I've always thought the Epic boxes are pretty good value. Its alot of models for 12. Shame if you don't want to use some models in the box, but still oreety good value.

Modhail
05-02-2007, 13:16
Most overpriced GW model?

Their business model ofcourse.... ;)

Bye, Modhail

andymeechan
08-02-2007, 22:05
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99390113007&orignav=10

BlazeXI
10-02-2007, 09:34
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99390113007&orignav=10

Andy, without a doubt you win!

superknijn
10-02-2007, 10:16
And the creepy part is that it can't be found in the Sky Ray entry...
Maybe it's a secret weapon of some kind, that no-one is allowed to have? :p

(And yes, the above sentence can be intreprited in a variety of ways ;) )

Permanganate
10-02-2007, 11:55
Just checked my Sky Ray; the sprue number is the same as on that page. I knew 25 for a Sky Ray box was a good deal (same price as a Hammerhead but contains one more sprue), but I didn't realize that I was saving 99.75% compared to buying the sprue separately!

Kjell
10-02-2007, 12:09
Obviously that's just a placeholder price, though. Only actually overpriced models count. :p

Destris
10-02-2007, 14:52
What, like all of them? :p
Steve

andymeechan
10-02-2007, 21:56
Andy, without a doubt you win!

Heh heh, i'll trust in the subsequent comments and admit that it was a bit of a cheat to post that :P

Still, it's possibly a new Thread in itself - "find the missing models". Ever wondered why your favourite range of models runs from 99...01 through 06, but misses 04? Yeah, models that almost made release, but, well, weren't!

Heh heh, it's a hobby!