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Slekith
31-01-2007, 11:14
I've allways wondered how the Titans get to the surface from the massive spaceships of the Legio Titanicus. Anyone has a clue or has read any books on this subject?

precinctomega
31-01-2007, 11:50
The ships land. The titans get out. Simple really.

R.

Slekith
31-01-2007, 11:55
Spaceships are not capable of landing, they are massive. At least that's what all the stuff I've read about BFG says.

Permanganate
31-01-2007, 11:57
There's a description in the book Storm of Iron about Chaos titans getting out of landed spaceships at the spaceport. I don't think the smaller titans need a spaceport, as there are four Warhounds active in the Taros Campaign (IA3) before the spaceport is captured.

precinctomega
31-01-2007, 12:01
Certainly, the largest ships in the fleet cannot land, but plenty of the smaller ones can and do. Gaunts Ghosts has examples time after time. The IG Dex shows pictures of vast landing vessels.

There's no mystery to it. Big ships land. Big titans get out.

The real mystery is how the hell they get back into orbit afterwards! If we assume that the expenditure of the collossal levels of chemical energy to reach orbit via conventional means is out (not least due to the devastating effect it would have on the planet's surface, quite apart from the atmosphere), then our only recourse is to massive antigravity generators and Phil Sibbering's putative "phased" material technology.

R.

DantesInferno
31-01-2007, 12:03
Spaceships are not capable of landing, they are massive. At least that's what all the stuff I've read about BFG says.

The landing ships can land...:p

I'm sure there's other evidence, but the bit most to hand is this, from the history of the Siege of the Imperial Palace during the Horus Heresy:


Mighty ships began the descent from orbit, hoping to overwhelm the defenders by sheer weight of numbers. Unlike the drop-pods these presented fine targets for the weapons of the defenders. And thus did the battle for Earth begin in earnest.

Defence lasers blasted many renegade ships from the sky, sending thousands of tons of fused metal death raining down onto the ground below. One giant craft span out of control and crashed into a hab-unit, killing a hundred thousand people. Another was welded to the ground, disgorging its passengers into a lake of bubbling tar and plas-crete. The vessel of the Warped Dogs was vaporised and that Titan Legion's name passed into history.

As quickly as they disembarked the Traitors surged forth from the space ports to besiege the bastions of the defenders. Their first objective was to silence the defence lasers inflicting such casualties on their comrades. The rebels were met by a wave of Imperial defenders, desperate men who knew that they were giving their lives for their home and their Emperor.

In the tightly packed streets around the space ports the fighting was close and deadly. Bolters chattered and missile launchers delivered cargoes of death from building to nearby building. Traitor tanks rumbled through the avenues, turrets swivelling to bring weapons to bear on the hastily improvised barricades of their former comrades.

Soon the defenders of Eternity Wall Space Port had been swept aside by the merciless assault and the hordes of the Warmaster were in total possession of the spacefield. More and more intricately wrought drop-ships descended from orbit. They towered over the landing ground like nightmare skyscrapers. The dark runes on their sides glowed evilly in the gloom. Hundred-metre high doors opened in their kilometre-long sides. From their red depths Titans ten times the height of a man emerged. They were warped giants; the armour of their carapace fused and moulded into new shapes by the power of Chaos. Within them were men melded to their machines. Some of the hideous Titans had strange and potent weapons, others were a bizarre hybrid of the organic and the machine. Metal tentacles lashed, spiked tails whipped back and forth. Engines roared like the voices of angry beasts. Banners fluttering, the Titans of Storm Lords and the Flaming Skulls legions marched forth. At Lions Gate Space Port the traitors welcomed the towering black war engines of the Khornate host. Minotaurs and trolls and cultists seethed like angry ants around their bases.

Slekith
31-01-2007, 12:13
I'll do some searching. What are the name of those aircrafts? You say the titans gets out so I assume it does so on its own meaning it is transported fully assembled and functional. The ship carrying a Warlord or an Imperator must be impressive.

precinctomega
31-01-2007, 12:15
You said it.

R.

Curis
31-01-2007, 12:18
They've got Titan-sized drop pods.

Killgore
31-01-2007, 12:27
in one of the HH books, Horus Rising it discusses titan landing ships

jfrazell
31-01-2007, 12:46
False Gods has titans landing. I believe it also details landing is the easy part. As has been surmised loading them back up and taking off requires considerably more effort and manpower.

Storm of Iron features a "converted" Tyranid ship (infested with the technovirus) unloading titans, including a corrupted Imperator (IIIRC).

There are codex and non-codex images of large landers. Its definitely do-able but would require effort, depending on the class of titan. I believe the AM has their own titan transports and landers, which is reasonable considering the care they have for them, and that the titans are entrusted to them alone.

Ikkaan
31-01-2007, 14:03
The real mystery is how the hell they get back into orbit afterwards! If we assume that the expenditure of the collossal levels of chemical energy to reach orbit via conventional means is out (not least due to the devastating effect it would have on the planet's surface, quite apart from the atmosphere), then our only recourse is to massive antigravity generators and Phil Sibbering's putative "phased" material technology.

Well...after the Titan is done with the continent there won´t be a big difference in aesthetics after the titan was lifted off. Its still obliterated.

Sai-Lauren
31-01-2007, 14:51
The original Adeptus Titanicus had some fluff about a titan carrying vessel landing - at one point, the captain watches his cargo disembark, and the titans look the size of normal people from his vantage point.

He's a long way up. ;)

Something that size would almost certainly have to be supported on A-G devices, as well as having maneuvering thrusters for fine control, so blasting half the surface into oblivion when they lift off isn't an issue. They would prefer to land at spaceports (for the mass cargo handling capabilities), but could conceivably land anywhere, although their large size and lack of agility would certainly mean they couldn't be committed until defences have been supressed around the dropzone and the air corridor to and from it.

Such a vessel would then likely form the first planetary army command post, supply depot, medical centre and similar operations, and also probably operate most of the air missions.

AM vessels are likely to be smaller (although still massive, much bigger than a Cobra), and dedicated exclusively to their charges - whether it be a single Ordinatus, a Skitarri legion or a Titan battlegroup.

2_heads_talking
31-01-2007, 23:36
BFG indicated that "Escort" class ships were capable of entering the atmosphere of a planet and landing upon the ground. So, if you consider that even a small transport would probabaly be large enough to carry an entire Titan Legion then it is not difficult to imagine the craft landing and the Titans stomping from great doors in its side.

srioux
02-02-2007, 11:15
i remember in one of the short stories they were landing titans in orbital landers.it was the story were the imperium was trying to land on a planet populated by barbarians using giant lizards as big as warlords.can't remember which book it was.

lonepilgrim
02-02-2007, 13:28
Battle of the Archeosaurs by Barrington J Bayley. It's in the Galaxy in Flames short story collection.

CELS
02-02-2007, 13:50
Meh... if you look at the big picture, Titans aren't really a problem. I mean, sure, a 50 meter tall metal construction is going to weigh a lot, and you probably need a rather large dropship with some anti-grav generators and rather big rockets. And yeah, this is probably expensive.

But when you look at the total amount of machines and manpower that the Imperial Navy manages to unload on a given war-torn world, the deployment of a few Titans (they really are rather rare) tends to pale in comparison. I'm quite sure an armoured brigade is a pain to deploy and retrieve as well, even if you do divide it between a lot of smaller dropships. We're talking about quite a lot of resources.

Nazguire
03-02-2007, 02:54
In False Gods, getting the Titan drop ships out of the gigantic crater that they create (because it appears they simply crash, as opposed to landing :p ) requires an army of servitors and low ranking adepts to literally DIG the ship out of the crater so that it can actually return to orbit.

As with all things the Imperium does, extremely inefficient.