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Blatskull
08-02-2007, 11:50
Hello everybody!

Iím new to Warseer and this is my first thread... I feel so nervous!

Ahem, well. With the release of the Warmaster Arabian army, I found the motivation for start my own Warhammer Arabian army. I love the Arabian look, or more exactly, ancient Persian look. I havenít started a Warhammer project for ages (Iím very busy with some 40k Ork armies...), but Iím not a youngblood in this game.

I've decided tu use the Dogs of War army list, and I had been looking for appropiate miniatures in internet and e-bay. The models that I have in the present day are:

- Al Muktar's Desert Dogs
- Arabian Ogre Maneater
- Sheikh Yadosh, the guy in the top of the Mydas the Meanís pay chest
- Mordheim Arabian merchant
- Suliman Le Saracen

I hadnít been able to find other Arabian miniatures in the current GW range.

In my army, all this stuff will be:

- Al Muktar's Desert Dogs will be standar light cavalry (obviously)

- Arabian Ogre Maneater will be an Ogre Maneater (obviously, too)

- Sheik Yadosh will be sorcerer (hireling wizard), probably mounted on a flying carpet (count as warhorse)

- Mordheim Arabian merchant (one of my favourites) will be the Paymaster

- and Suliman Le Saracen will be the mercenary captain, mounted on a warhorse

The problem: now I have three heroes, one core unit and one rare unit... I need MORE units! I donít know why I could make the rest of the troops. I think I will need the next units in my army:

Core units:

- Arabian Spearmen (used as pikemen)
- Duelist (maybe a sort of Hashshashin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashshashin), the renowned historical sect of murders in the time of the Crusades)
- Mounted Sultan Guards (heavy cavalry)

Special units:

- More ogres?
- Sultan Guards on foot (used as Paymasterís bodyguard)
- Halflings: I love these little bastard Hobbit copies! And I need more bows...

Rare Units:

- A giant, converted as a Djinn (desert spirit) with his wonder lamp, of course.

This is the project, but how will I do?

Well, please, criticism, help, advices, death threats...

Oh, and my apologizes for my bad English.

Chiron
08-02-2007, 11:54
I've seen someone use a Tallarn Desert Raider general as a DoW captain, looked ok, it'd take some work but you could use the troops as handgunners or even crossbows with a lot of filing/greenstuff

Mordheim militia make excellent duellists, green stuff some cloaks/turbans on them

you could also make a unit of flying carpets to use as light cavalry?

mrtn
08-02-2007, 12:00
I read about someone who used high elf bodies, and turbaned heads.

Oh, and I'd call it Arabyan, not Arabian. Arabia is a part of this universe, after all. ;)

Good luck!

Crazy Ivan
08-02-2007, 12:03
What about LOTR Haradrim? They look rather Arabic to me. Don't know how their size is compared to WH minis though.

jullevi
08-02-2007, 12:14
You might want to check this army (http://gt.us.games-workshop.com/Results_Coverage/Baltimore/WFB/Justin_Hill/armygallery.htm) for inspiration. I'm sure there are other Araby themed armies around, i just can't remember where i have seen them.

Drakemaster
08-02-2007, 13:27
An idea I had some time ago, and fully intend to get round to at some point, is using Kislev winged lancers converted as Araby knights. Add a turban with GS around the base of the helmet in a similar style to some of the Deset Dogs models and leave off the wing off the back. With Desert Dog shields (or some other suitable round shields... round just seems more appropriate IMHO) and an appropriate paintjob they'd look pretty convincing to my mind. Some of the kislev horse archers could look pretty convincing as Araby light cavalry as well with a bit of work. If you want barded horses, I'd use the old, old caparison ones rather than Empire with their metal armour, or the 5th/6th ed. Bretonnian ones which just look too obviously Bretonnian to my mind.
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110202123&orignav=13

Don't know whether you are set on using GW models... the Perry's do a range of Crusade era Muslim armies ( http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index2.html ) which could be useful and provide insparation, and I'm sure there are other manufacturers out there as well.

Another idea I had while pondering a small Araby army... using the Birdmen of Catrazza rules for a unit of archers on magic carpets, mirroring the same unit in the Warmaster range, and the Birdmen rules are perfect - flying skirmishers with bows. Duellists as hashshashin is an idea I had, like yourself, as another good 'fit' rules-wise. For models perhaps the old 40K chaos cultists would work:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=List_Models&code=301182&orignav=301117
although it would need alot of conversion work. I have seen someone do this conversion very effectively before, but I can't remember where. Empire militia converted is another possibility. Other 'heavier' infantry units I'm not sure about. Perhaps the Bretonnian men-at-arms would work with different heads and a bit of work - gs turbans and araby style shields, that sort of thing.

Anyway, definitely post your progress, I've long been interested in seeing people's takes on Warhammer Araby...

Guilliman
08-02-2007, 13:34
Drakemaster beat me to it. The Perry twins have a great range of muslim armies, you should use it. Some of GW's best minis are sculpted by them. This is a great example of an warhammer army with minis from Perry by a friend of mine: 24th Cathayan Expeditionaries (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55836)

Drakemaster
08-02-2007, 13:41
A problem with the Perry miniatures is they are slightly more 'realistically' proportioned than GW ones and may not mix too well. And although nice models, the cavalry (although I'm sure they look historically accurate) just don't look 'Araby' enough to me, at least the heavy cavalry don't.

And I remembered were I saw the cultist/araby conversions. Note that this isn't my work:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v259/Thorindil/Slaanesh/

Vattendroppe
08-02-2007, 13:53
I've got an araby army on the thought, but I've had some probs with what army to use and so on and so forth (I just love that expression, don't ask me why). Anyway, with the new araby release for warmaster the choise of army became pretty obvious, empire with kieslev standing for the cavalry. Especially now when one can take giants to empire as rare choises (to use as elephants)!

Anyway, I've done some research about this and now comes an opportunity to share it with someone!

As for the troops and cavalry, my choise would definetly be models from perry-miniatures (www.perry-miniatures.com) as far as one can. I love the models from the perrys, especially when I've seen Mephistofeles' cathayan project (I've seen the models IRL, just like guilliman). Elephants I haven't seen any model IRL that looks nice, but the Ptolomy elephants from Vendel Miniatures (www.vendelminiatures.co.uk) seems to be just what one might be looking for. They've also got two different of them, so you have enough to fill up both your rare choises in a 2K army!

Another tip is to use pegasus as flying math... ehm... I mean carpets (I always tend to write maths instead of carpets, it's DARN annoying). You can also use those RR Birdmen of Catrazza as a smaller units of bowmen on flying carpets (I got it right the first time!). It feels funny to have a flying ma... CARPET! that does not fly, at least in my eyes a hovering mat... (I give up now) seems a bit strange.

If you want a really nice Sultan to that I can only recommend the Saljuq Emirs Court from the perrys.

I maybe have more tips of many kinds, but nothing that I can come up with right now...

You can always ask if you like to!

But notice that this army would have more of an reality-look so to say.

Oh, I think this's my hundered post!

mrtn
09-02-2007, 09:52
http://www.crocodilegames.com/ have some stuff that may be of interest too. Like for example this:
http://www.crocodilegames.com/secure/items/WGE-112.jpg

Blatskull
09-02-2007, 10:23
Wow! Lots of replies!

Chiron, is a cool idea to use Tallarn Desert Riders. Probably Iíll made my champions with Tallarns.

Mrtn, I also saw some HE converted as Arabys, but in general I donít like this option, because the Elves bodies are too long and thin for my taste. I love this miniature from Wargods, thank you for the link!

Crazy_Ivan, the LoTR figurines are made in a different size than the Warhammer ones. But probably Iíll use some bits of Haradrins... Like the MŻmaks!

Jullevi... Thank you very much! This army is very cool and is perfect as example for my project!

Drakemaster and Guilliman: The Perry Miniatures are perfect, but Iím not sure about the size... Maybe are too small... and as you told, the proportion probably are too reallistic...

kislevs, eh? I never think this.

This conversions of cultists are awesomes (but expensives), and in this present moment the Dogs of War pieces arenít avaible in the online web. I depend of e-bay. But is a good idea.

Vattendroppe, congratulations for your hundered post!

Well, I see the option of create a unit of flying carpets with the Catrazzaís birdmen are so popular, but I donít like, sorry. In my mind, the flying carpet is a rare, very rare magic item reserved only for the sultan favourites like the great sorcerers and the renowned heroes, not for make a complete unit of it.

Meanwhile, I had been working in the army standards. I made the flags with Photoshop, based in the models of the muslim army of the First Crusade (1096-1099). Look:

Army standard (personal sultan banner)
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5932/standard01vh5.th.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=standard01vh5.jpg)

Cavalry standard
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5466/standard02nj6.th.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=standard02nj6.jpg)

Infantry standard
http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/7407/standard03kb8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

More to come. And thanks to all!!

Drakemaster
09-02-2007, 12:21
Like the banners, very appropriate.

Anyway, here I go again with a bunch more ideas. I always get far too enthused by Araby projects, I clearly need to start one myself at some point...

First question, where are you based? The DOW range is definitely still available in the UK and US online stores.

I do think personally that an Elephant is a better fit for the Giant rules than a Djinn (unpredictable giant beast rather than bound magical demon) but you can use either. I also think the Mumak is too large to be an Araby elephant... the giant rules just don't seem to represent something THAT big, its only T5 W5 after all. Ral Partha do a nice looking elephant... may not be available where you are though:
https://www.connectstores.com/ralpartha/sp_27241.html
As far as Djinn are concerned, the old Elementals are available in the UK and France at least, and are a possibility, though they are probably too small:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110299045&orignav=13

I personally wouldn't recommend using much of the Tallarn range, they just seem too 40K to me without HUGE amounts of work and removing all modern details. One notable exception is the missile launcher firer, who comes separately from his missile arm and has no 40K details at all so can easily be used for conversions:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=9906010503400&orignav=10

Another idea for infantry is to use the plastic High Elf archer bodies and legs, which are robed and could look convincing as Araby troops with different heads and maybe GS turbans (perhaps the Empire hairy head sprue, lots of beards seems appropriate for Araby to me). They also don't have the same overly thin look the Elven spearmen do. The various Empire infantry sprues (state troops and militia) could provide arms with bows/crossbows, swords, halberds, spears and the like. Combining these sets could definitely provide a base for the hashshashin skirmishers and bows/crossbows. The torsos can be painted as breastplates rather than robes for the heavier infantry types as well. Another bonus is the HE archer sprue contains lots of crescent moons on standards, quivers, and the like which would definitely help with the Araby theme...

Fair enough if you don't like the idea of units of flying carpets, although the Warmaster list and background certainly implies they are common enough to be used like this. Another possibility unit-wise is Norse Marauders from the DOW list as frenzied/drugged temple guards or whatever. Decent variety of equipment options as well allowing you a bit more variety with your infantry than just pikes + crossbows.

Nope, I clearly haven't done any research into this before. Not at all.

lilljonas
09-02-2007, 13:32
Regarding perries:

I don't think the size difference is too appalling when you compare humans to humans, I did a quick snap shot with a few miniatures to show how they compare.

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/7/2/9/f_sizecomparim_ba3f218.jpg

Too bad I had no painted empire miniatures, but they are about the size of a bunch of Besiegers I haven't put together.

Regarding Araby, there should be a lot of miniatures around that would suit you if you just made some headgears from Green Stuff, to give them that Lawrence of Arabia-look. If we could just find some camels or dromedars... *heads off to the interweb to search*

EDIT: and the banners looks great, white on green background suits the theme very well.

EDIT 2: What is it with Swedes and perry miniatures? :)

Vattendroppe
09-02-2007, 18:19
About the swedes and perry miniatures. I don't think it's common, just that we three happens to come from the same neighbourhood and are members of the same gaming club :P

You sort of sees the models IRL and whoops you go...

And I thought about commenting about the size of the miniatures, but you got there first! Argh!

lilljonas
09-02-2007, 18:26
Vattendroppe: nah, I was mostly referring to the cheerleading squad of Swedes, me included, championing the PM arabs in this thread. :)

EDIT: given that, the Perry miniatures' arab range is a bit too realistic in that the models doesn't look as stereotypical "arab" as the image of Araby is. Too many turks and such, and too little Lawrence. But the Bedouins are nice, though I'm not sure how GW and PM horses mixes together. The difference between them are greater than between the humans, I think. The Arab foot soldiers are nice too. But it's not enough choises for an Araby army, I think.

Vattendroppe
09-02-2007, 18:30
Hmm... You have a point, didn't notice that you were from swed to! (god it feels funny to speak english with another swede)

Maybe it is beqause swedes overall have a better taste? Dunno, but it's pretty OT anyhow, maybe not the thread to discuss a thing like this :P

lilljonas
09-02-2007, 18:39
It's always a good time to discuss the impeccable taste of Swedes.

Another fault of PM: no camels! I demand camels in a Araby army, it's just not cricket leaving them out. The Assault Group has some mongol camel riders, but they are extremely furry bactrian camels, so I don't think they feel Araby enough...

Vattendroppe
09-02-2007, 18:42
The perrys actually has ONE model on camel from the crusades range, they've got some more, but they're more ww1/early 1900-style.

Might as well ask here, anyone have pictures of the armenian miniatures from the perrys and have missed my thread about that might want to be nice and just check it up :)

Blatskull
11-02-2007, 19:32
Thanks, Sweden guys. :D

Well, after giving it a lot of thought, I've decided:

- I WOULDN'T have units of flying carpets. I know the Warmaster background, but I WOULDN'T have it. All my cavalry units will be Araby horses.

- I probably will buy Perry miniatures, but for now I'll use only GW figurines. Maybe I'll want to participate in a tournament in the future.

- I bought this Sunday some High Elves plastic bowmen and other bits, and I start with the modelling of the first unit of Pikemen/Spearmen. So, I received my mail command of Al-Muktar Desert Dogs and lots of green stuff.

Tomorrow I'll post the photos of the first miniatures.

Cheers.

lilljonas
11-02-2007, 19:39
A couple of good calls, I think. If you want official GW tournaments, you are doing well in planning for that. And myself, I think cavalry looks better than flying carpets. Can't wait for the first photos...





And you know what looks better than cavalry? Dromedary cavalry!

Aflo
11-02-2007, 19:59
Dude, in all seriousness - elephantmen. Elephants are too odd shape wise to encorporate into any kind of unit so an ogre like elephantman would be an awesome replacement! Also more Djinn are called for I think - maybe another unit of four ogres, one djinn for each of the elements, would be sweet.
Regards
Aflo (Adam)

Vattendroppe
11-02-2007, 20:01
An elephant would fit in perfectly on the new giant-base...

Blatskull
12-02-2007, 14:56
Ok, go on with the troops!

this is my Ogre Maneater.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3083/ogre01ua8.th.jpg (http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ogre01ua8.jpg)

(Back)
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/8104/ogre02iy7.th.jpg (http://img464.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ogre02iy7.jpg)

I painted this little boy the same week that it was released, and now I donít like the colour scheme. I re-paint it soon. The gold eagle in his back is, probably, a Tomb Kings trophy winned in a former battle.

The first pikeman (WIP):

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/6357/pikemanlk5.th.jpg (http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pikemanlk5.jpg)

I have been working in a unit of 15.

And the first horsemen (light cavalry AKA desert dogs), ready for paint:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2701/desertdogskx1.th.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desertdogskx1.jpg)

More to come. Criticism & etc are welcome.

Cheers!

Easy E
12-02-2007, 15:02
Pikeman looks good. I'm impressed with how authentic his gear looks. You didn't go over the top into stereotype land which is refreshing.

What Bitz did you use?

Vattendroppe
12-02-2007, 16:04
The pikeman looks really nice, keep up the good work! Although I think you'd want to do something about the halfmoons on the bodies of the HE archers. Cause these are HE bodies and legs, am I right? Empire head and arm, I'd think...

I dunno what to think about th imperial eagle (?) on the ogre... IMO it feels a bit off.

Crazy Ivan
12-02-2007, 16:21
That pikeman looks very promising! I'm curious for more.

Aflo
12-02-2007, 16:27
Nice work mate - keep at it.
Regards
Aflo (Adam)

Oh and Elephantmen - don't forget the Elephantmen :D

Vattendroppe
12-02-2007, 16:33
Go with real elephants instead, go with real elephants instead! :D

Blatskull
12-02-2007, 19:12
I dunno what to think about th imperial eagle (?) on the ogre... IMO it feels a bit off.

As I said previously...


The gold eagle in his back is, probably, a Tomb Kings trophy winned in a former battle.

Thanks for the comments about Pikeman. If I could I'll post more photos tomorrow.

And... I don't forget the damn elephant. There is:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c6/Stampy_the_elephant.JPG

Stampy the Elephant!

Vattendroppe
12-02-2007, 19:16
That's good, elephants rule! You WILL go with the giant rules for them also I hope? :)

lilljonas
12-02-2007, 19:22
The pikeman looks good, the elf parts are less elven than I thought they'd look. And I must concur, the next best things to camels are elephants.

unwanted
12-02-2007, 20:02
Keep the Crescent (half-moon), it's keeping very much in style with the real-world arabia, and why should elves have the monopoly on using that shape?

Keep the Crescents!

Voronwe[MQ]
12-02-2007, 21:15
Of course you should keep the crescents; crosses are used by the Empire (not to have something to do with Christianity, but because rennaisance nobles etc had it), and there's no way it has to do something with Islam - there can be thousands of other meanings (national symbols, arabian unity, local calif or sultan, family emblem). Excellent pikeman; I'm sold.

Voronwe

Drakemaster
13-02-2007, 12:06
Great, I'm glad to see the high elf parts work well. Looking rather convincing as an Araby spearmen to be honest, having robes certainly seems to get across the Araby theme. And definitely keep the crescents...

Looking forward to seeing more.

Voronwe[MQ]
13-02-2007, 12:08
Alright, this thread must have infected me more than I thought since I dreamed tonight that I collected an Arabian army.

Voronwe

Anardakil
13-02-2007, 12:47
Nice log. I like the ogre. Oh and a tip: one of the Empire wizards looks pretty arabic to me. (the Heavens variant)

Gonfrask
13-02-2007, 17:26
Are you looking for something 100% workshop?Ņ? If not, look this:

* Djinn:

http://helldorado.fr/ressources/medias/news_id41/hsa002-chams-al-majid.jpg

* Comander and Hero?

http://test.helldorado.fr/ressources/medias/news_id48/sarrasins.jpg

I donīt know what scale they are, but Iīm lookin fot it

Blatskull
14-02-2007, 11:56
Sorry for not writting earlier but I've been incredibly busy this week!! I can only had a little progress: the first line of pikemen:

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7016/firstline2ew0.th.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firstline2ew0.jpg)

The two for the left are still WIP.

I haven't got time for more!!

Cheers.

PS I LOVE this Djinn!!!!!! Thanks Gonfrask!

Vattendroppe
14-02-2007, 12:14
That djinnie's the model of choise if it's in the right scale!

The spearmen looks nice! Just paint them well also! IMO I'd like to see more turbans though.

And what has happened to the second (from the left) guys neck? :P

Oh, didn't notice they were WIP, sry.

lilljonas
14-02-2007, 12:23
I relly love the spearman furthest to the right, but the neck on the guy furthest to the left is a bit... weird. Keep up the good work!

EDIT: oh, they are WIP. I don't doubt they'll look as good as the others once they are done.

Gonfrask
14-02-2007, 12:45
Well, at the moment i havenīt found what scale these minis are, but here i have another photo

http://helldorado.fr/ressources/medias/news_id41/djinn-et-guerrier-sarrasin.jpg

If they are 28 mm perhaps the Djinn is a little small (what would be the Djinn in the army? a gigant?) if they are bigger, then perhaps it works.

P.s: I think this threat is a great project, good luck!!

Drakemaster
14-02-2007, 12:46
Good progress!

It looks like the empire heads don't fit onto the archer torsos whithout a bit of work with GS, which surprises me, because from looking at the sprues they both have a 'plug-in' fit/design. How much work is needed to get them to sit well on the torso?

I'm with Vattendroppe, incidently, I think more turbans are needed. Seeing as you have the desert dogs models, use them as a guide as to how to sculpt a good looking turban, or even GS Cast them from the Desert Dog models.

Vattendroppe
14-02-2007, 12:54
The only problem with the turbans is that they can be pure hell to get nicely sculped...

Aflo
14-02-2007, 15:54
Go with real elephants instead, go with real elephants instead! :D

I challenge thee to a race around the world! Meet me at Piccadily Square tommorow!

Vattendroppe
14-02-2007, 16:19
I challenge thee to a race around the world! Meet me at Piccadily Square tommorow!

Since you challanged me, I get to choose the location and weapon of the challange! That's how it's done.

So, since it's a challange of speed I choose legs as the weapon, and the place is not picadilly. The place is NykŲpings Centralstation!

ilikebmxbikes
14-02-2007, 16:30
you could use the dijinn as a giant. the figure is large enough, and it supposed to be magically strong, so size doesnt have to matter too much.

Vattendroppe
14-02-2007, 16:43
No! As giants one uses elephants! ELEPHANTS! ELEEEEPHAAANTS! (Okay, now I've soon gone too far...)

Sure, djinnies are cool, but the giants profile are far to darn perfect to use as an elephant to not do it!

Rabid Bunny 666
14-02-2007, 16:51
The Djin would be sweet as a Giant, but since you brought up Elephants, you will HAVE to give in to Peer Pressure :evilgrin:

Aflo
14-02-2007, 17:22
Since you challanged me, I get to choose the location and weapon of the challange! That's how it's done.

So, since it's a challange of speed I choose legs as the weapon, and the place is not picadilly. The place is NykŲpings Centralstation!

:D might be a bit of a trek...

Vattendroppe
14-02-2007, 17:23
:D might be a bit of a trek...

Certainly would be for me to Picadilly! :P (Never been to London)

Voronwe[MQ]
14-02-2007, 20:29
The Djinn is fantastic, and the characters are, well, characterful. Good work of digging up, Gonfrask.

Great pikemen so far; you're an inspiration for us all who wants a small (or bigger) arabian army.

And yeah, it might be a hell of a trek, especially since you've to go down the continent to reach/get out from the United Kingdoms by foot. Vattendroppe's right; for Giants one uses Elephants! ELEPHANTS!

The Djinn should be able to squeeze into your army list somewhere, but not at the cost of elephants. :)

Voronwe

Vattendroppe
14-02-2007, 20:33
A thought could be to use a djinnie as a lv.4 magician?

Voronwe[MQ]
14-02-2007, 20:35
Hey, that'd suit fine! I say: Go for it.

Voronwe

Vattendroppe
14-02-2007, 20:38
Well, it's not my project, and in my forthcoming araby army I'll use my Sultan as lv.4 magician :P

The only prob with the djinnie as a lv.4 magician is that he would hardly be able to fight...

Voronwe[MQ]
15-02-2007, 12:03
True; a Maneater mercenary would almost fit better, but you hardly can field one of these often.

Voronwe

Drakemaster
15-02-2007, 12:27
Reading through the Araby list for Warmaster the Djinn hardly seems to be a combat monster. According to the background and the rules it seems to do three things: it enables its master to fly, it gives a small boost in combat power, and it boosts his magical abilities. So I'm thinking a pegasus mount for a Lvl 4 mage would work well, using a sorcerer and a Djinn mounted together on a 40mm base. The fact the sorceror is Lvl 4 can be attributed to the Djinn's assistance, it allows him to fly, gives a couple of CC attacks in addition to the mage, and the two have a separate profile representing the enemy targetting the sorceror or Djinn separately. What do people think? Seems to represent the Djinn OK as regards the background, plus enables a Djinn and elephants in the same army...

Incidently, I curse this thread. As a direct result, yesterday I picked up some Kislev winged lancers from Ebay so I could have a go converting them into Araby knights. Yet another distraction from my High Elves...

Vattendroppe
15-02-2007, 13:01
The idea with the pegasus seems wonderful! I've done that to my list also, but the mage then rides a magic crapet. But when thinking of it a djinnie would be better. Maybe I'll try to convert a magic carpet that morphs into a djinn.

But the djinnie as pegasus is wonderful!

Gonfrask
15-02-2007, 23:53
Well, after reading you I have had an idea about the elephant, and you will say Iīm Crazy:

First, the model, use a mumak, no doubt, just you must use only two fangs (well, all we know that these fangs are not fangs, donīt we?).

The rules...well you can use a elephant "count as" a WHOLE UNIT of heavy cavalry, you must control the wounds and the rows...[dice0]

Vattendroppe
16-02-2007, 07:16
Well, after reading you I have had an idea about the elephant, and you will say Iīm Crazy:

First, the model, use a mumak, no doubt, just you must use only two fangs (well, all we know that these fangs are not fangs, donīt we?).

The rules...well you can use a elephant "count as" a WHOLE UNIT of heavy cavalry, you must control the wounds and the rows...[dice0]

Actually your right about me thinking that you are crazy :P

No, IMO it would be too complicated. Besides, there's no fluffwise reason why there should be that HUGE monsters in araby :P

lilljonas
16-02-2007, 07:43
Yes, I think it's too complicated, after all the size of a unit changes due to casualties. Not being able to change the base would be a major problem.

Easy E
16-02-2007, 08:44
Actually your right about me thinking that you are crazy :P

No, IMO it would be too complicated. Besides, there's no fluffwise reason why there should be that HUGE monsters in araby :P

The Araby Warmaster list mentions that Sultans like to collect rare animals and hence why elephants are so popular. I would suggest, this is just a really large elephant bred by a powerful sultan.

In the days of the Daidochi (sp, and just after Alexander the Great's death) the Elephant was the primary shock element of an army. I think using the Elephant to represent a heavy cavalry squad makes sense to me.

Vattendroppe
16-02-2007, 09:01
The Araby Warmaster list mentions that Sultans like to collect rare animals and hence why elephants are so popular. I would suggest, this is just a really large elephant bred by a powerful sultan.

In the days of the Daidochi (sp, and just after Alexander the Great's death) the Elephant was the primary shock element of an army. I think using the Elephant to represent a heavy cavalry squad makes sense to me.

I know, but the warmaster fluff doesn't way anything about the elephants beeing twice the size of a jumbo. Simply, it's no elephant, it's a *******' monster! IMO it doesn't make sense using the mumak in warhammer. Plus, the rules would be darn complicated.

Lab Monkey
16-02-2007, 09:42
just stick to:

Giant = Elephant (use some kind of toy)
Level 4 Wizard on Pegasus = Djinn

Drakemaster
16-02-2007, 11:12
The only possible rules for representing an elephant are giant rules, surely. Quite aside from the profile, which is almost perfect, even the special rules work brilliantly. Pick up (with trunk) jump up and down (trample) headbutt (err... headbutt?) yell and bawl (ever heard/seen seen an agressively trumpeting elephant?) thump with club (stamping on a single unfortunate individual) swing with club (either sweeping its trunk across the enemy ranks or a more 'restrained' version of trample). Plus, of course, large target and terror. And the fact it squashes people when it dies/falls over.

And I have to agree I think the Mumak is far too big for a warhammer elephant, nice as the model is. Either convert a toy, or use an elephant model from another manufacturer.

cerealkiller195
16-02-2007, 19:19
mumak would be too large but i'm sure you can pick one perfectly sized at a local toy store quite cheap

Vattendroppe
16-02-2007, 19:23
As for models for the elphant I had a thread here at warseer in the m, p&t forum, link HERE (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67224). There were some really nice options in there, 28 mm metalfigurines £10/model.

Blatskull
18-02-2007, 12:24
Well, I see that the lv. 4 Wizard as a Djinn is a very popular choice...

Now I'm painting my first 10 pikemen and modelling the command group. I based my colour scheme in these guys own:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5347/moorall4mf0.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=moorall4mf0.jpg)

The next week I'll post new photos, I promise. By the way, this is my provisional army list:

ARABY DOGS OF WAR ARMY

Heroes

Mercenary Captain
Warhorse, great weapon, light armour, shield, longbow

Paymaster
Light armour, great weapon

Core Units

15 Pikemen
Hand weapon, light armour and pikes.

10 Duellists
hand weapon, shields, throwing knives

5 Light Cavalry
Warhorse, hand weapon, bows

Rare units

Ogre Maneater

Cheers.

mrtn
19-02-2007, 20:18
Well, that's looking really good! :)

I just wish that you could post real [img] tagged pics instead; those crappy pop up infested imageshack thumbs are a pain in the behind.

Vattendroppe
24-02-2007, 18:47
And I'm back from skiing, to start terrorising you with my comments again!

The colourscheme ought to work out well, have you made any more progress on the pikemen?

Sandlemad
24-02-2007, 20:37
Thought: DOW Ogre Rhinox Riders as elephants. Frankly, the bull rhinoxen that the unit can be upgraded to ride are about the size of an elephant.
It would allow you to have a unit of them rather than pachyderm singular and makes them appear as trained war beasts rather than something thats pointed at the enemy and set loose. The rules for the ogre on top could represent a team of three guys.
The only difficulty I can see with this is people not wanting to fight against them for reasons of unofficialness but I'd doubt such folk would particularly want to fight against a DOW army at all.

Nice work on the pikeman BTW. As for repainting the ogre, are you going to make his skin arabian, more caucasian or some ogre colour? If you do go for the caucasian, make him sunburned and red.:p

Aflo
25-02-2007, 10:20
Thought: DOW Ogre Rhinox Riders as elephants. Frankly, the bull rhinoxen that the unit can be upgraded to ride are about the size of an elephant.


That is actually a really good idea! Ok, screw the elephantman idea - this seems near perfect!
Regards
Aflo (Adam)

Vattendroppe
25-02-2007, 10:27
Perfection still is giant rules for elephants!

Aflo
25-02-2007, 11:14
Perfection still is giant rules for elephants!

There is the matter of finding an appropriate minature to use though - the rhinox could probably be converted to represent elephants, with a bit of skill and elbow grease.
Regards
Aflo (Adam)

Vattendroppe
25-02-2007, 11:17
There is the matter of finding an appropriate minature to use though - the rhinox could probably be converted to represent elephants, with a bit of skill and elbow grease.
Regards
Aflo (Adam)

I dunno if I agree with you on the point of finding models. I had a thread in m, p&t about it and got many nice suggestions! Otherwise you could just use some sort of toy...

Aflo
25-02-2007, 15:24
Really? What did you have in mind?

Vattendroppe
25-02-2007, 15:28
Really? What did you have in mind?

Well, one option (that I'm going to use) is the elephants from the Ptolomy range (http://www.vendelminiatures.co.uk/product.asp?numRecordPosition=2&P_ID=204&strPageHistory=cat&strKeywords=&SearchFor=&PT_ID=96) from Vendel miniatures.

There's of course more, I can add a link to the thread I wrote about it. But I think I've already done this somewhere in the thread.

MacVurrich
25-02-2007, 15:44
is foundry of any good for this

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/INDIA/6/index.asp

Vattendroppe
25-02-2007, 15:46
is foundry of any good for this

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/INDIA/6/index.asp

But the foundry elephants are so darn expensive!

Reabe
25-02-2007, 18:11
Thought: DOW Ogre Rhinox Riders as elephants. Frankly, the bull rhinoxen that the unit can be upgraded to ride are about the size of an elephant.

Bad idea. Takes two rare choices and more than a 100pts per model. Servilely limits what you can take. Use a Giant to represent the rules, for two reasons:
1. They're legal in tournaments.
2. It's what I'm doing here (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40505).