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Warhammer Dude
11-02-2007, 09:01
I''ll probably get a couple chairs chucked at me *ducks* but I'm just wondering it anyone out there just plays with unpainted models? Like maybe you just buy them and then base them and just play? I'm new to Warhammer gaming and was just wondering.

Thanks!

Penitent
11-02-2007, 09:04
I don't play with unpainted models. Occasionally, I may play with a base-coated model, but even that is rare.

For the most part, I'll play anyone, so long as the models are at least assembled, but I certainly prefer to play against armies where the owners have taken the time to make his army look nice.

HalfEvil333
11-02-2007, 09:06
Depends on where you play and who you play against. Some stores require painted models, and a painted army is always nice to play against. But their are your models and you used your money buying them, so do whatever you like with them. No one can force you to paint them if you don't want to, unless they own the gaming table.

Gerrok
11-02-2007, 09:07
Most of my models are painted, but my justicars are currently not even base coated. I'm trying to get some specific bits for them, and I'm not going to bother painting them until I do.

Most people don't seem to mind, because the rest of my army looks tabletop painted, and it helps my opponents know exactly where the power weapon attacks are comming from.

mongoosedog300
11-02-2007, 09:14
I would hate to see anyones models without pants *refering to the title*

sorry couldn't resist :D

Bookwrak
11-02-2007, 09:16
I hate painting. Loathe it with a passion (man, why did I choose IG and 'nids are my two main armies?), but I love assembling and converting things. So, when I've just gotten something new, the first time it hits the field, it might be gray plastic, although given how easy it is to prime and base coat with spray cans, that's pretty rare. Slowly, each individual model will get painted, until finally the whole unit is done, because if there's one thing I loathe more than painting, it's the sense of laziness that comes from seeing the same unpainted models time after time.

Colonial Rifle
11-02-2007, 09:25
Not if I can help it. I rarely field an army until it is fit to take the field (although flocking bores me senseless).

Unpainted units tend to lack the favour of the dice gods... ;)

superknijn
11-02-2007, 09:32
I always use painted models, the result of a deal I made myself when I started, about half a year ago. Although I have plenty of models painted, I haven't yet based any of them.

Khaine's Messenger
11-02-2007, 09:38
I'm just wondering it anyone out there just plays with unpainted models?

In general, if you're so in touch with the game itself that all you want the assembled models for is gaming, then more power to you. Not everyone has the time or the willingness to paint, much less the ability to enjoy the game side of the hobby to the exclusion of some others. However, I think a lot of people usually find that unsatisfying for various reasons: peer pressure, store policies, the desire to make something one's own, the expression of art, the simple joy of a job well done, and so on. I personally assemble/paint in marathon sessions when I'm building units, so I don't often field unpainted units. But that's more because I'm impatient.

Gaebriel
11-02-2007, 09:39
If I hadn't used unpainted models, I would have only played a fraction of the games I did. Same goes for proxies. Same goes for large parts of my gaming group. The notion is better a game with unpainted models than no game.

Scythe
11-02-2007, 09:39
My armies tend to be mostly painted lately. I still might have some unpainted models here and there, but they are pretty rare. It is unlike a few years ago, where most of my armies were only grey and silver...

Painted armies always look better, but you cannot force anyone to paint their armies.

Murphey
11-02-2007, 09:42
I play with unpainted models constantly.

Heck, half of my two armies are still being built, and here I am debating on starting a third.

I hate putting models on the table that I havent converted the living heck out of.

Every single one of my genestealers has a hand-carved bone plate over the backs of their necks (extended carapace), my hive tyrant is a huge conversion, about 60% of my carnives is green stuff, and 10% is hand carved spines, the list goes on.

What makes it worse, is Im a huge perfectionist. If there is something I dont like about a conversion, Ill completely scrap 30 hours of work and start over.

So yeah, my armies do not tend to get done fast ;)

Its not a big deal at my store, most people are cool about it, but you may get a jibe here and there.

"So... I see your going with the pewter themed army"
"No, Im pretty sure my guy's got higher initiative, mine has a head."
"Are you sure thats a genestealer? He must be invisible, 'cause all I see is a blank base..."

Edit: As far as the title of the post goes: My demon prince likes fighting "Greek style". Nothing like going pantsless on a breezy day to put you in the mood for some killing.

Reaver83
11-02-2007, 10:07
i play with a couple of unpainted squads, i'm normally in the process of doing one while the nest will be done after, and once one's done buy another.

A mate of mine though, having just got a job since uni, has about 2000 points of infantry guard of which about 4-5 squads are painted, and about 2000 points of orks which none are. He doesn't have the time and whilst i love playing painted armies, a game is still a game!

lord_blackfang
11-02-2007, 10:11
Most of my models are unpainted. Sad, but true. By the time I finally paint a few units, I'm already thinking about starting a new army :o

||-MARKO-||
11-02-2007, 10:22
generally, my models wear pants, I think it'd be a little scray if they didnt *shudders*

:D

Anyway, back on topic, i DO play with the occasioanl unpainted marine, but only if the rest of the army is painted. for example, in a 1500pts army, i allow myself 2 unpainted/half-painted models/squads

marko

mattjgilbert
11-02-2007, 10:22
When I first started I played a lot with unpainted models. I doubt there is anyone who does not. I much prefer to play with painted models and certainly my 40K stuff never gets fielded without paint on it. Only half my marine army is finished so there is half which has never fought in any game...

As a club we have relaxed our view on this amongst ourselves while we all put together Fantasy battle armies. With the huge numbers of models being collected, we wouldn'r be playing any games for months or even a year+ if we went all purist and said only painted models allowed.

So to answer your question, no-one should take any issue with someone new to the hobby fielding unpainted stuff. No one should take issue with you trying out units with proxies before you commit to buying and painting them. Tournament games however will very likely have to bo fully painted etc.

Murphey
11-02-2007, 10:28
So to answer your question, no-one should take any issue with someone new to the hobby fielding unpainted stuff. No one should take issue with you trying out units with proxies before you commit to buying and painting them.


Amen to that :)

Lezta
11-02-2007, 10:33
If nothing else, playing with your new models (especially when you've just got into the hobby) is great - and it can take some people months to paint everything up. Why wait? Playing with them is generally great impetus to get them painted anyway! Well... so I've found.

I'd never say no to playing an unpainted army - the models still do exactly what they're supposed to. If someone has paid for the army they can do whatever they like with it.

t-tauri
11-02-2007, 10:35
I've removed the spam related to "unpanted" models and corrected the typo in the title.

Murphey
11-02-2007, 10:35
Not to mention, one of the most disheartening things to happen, is you spend hours and hours making some model look freeking amazing, and then find out that hes virtually useless in actual game terms.

Playtesting the army before you put time&money into a model is just good sense.

jubilex
11-02-2007, 10:40
When I was a kid (so many years ago) I used to play unpainted napoleonics and ww2. We always got bored with it and we all eventually gave up. After years of roleplaying I (re)discovered 40k, reading the "new" fluff on the eldar. So, a bit more experienced and mature (yeah, right) we as a group collected our armies and agreed that we would not put an unpainted model on the table.
Time goes by......
A YEAR LATER, WE HAD OUR FIRST GAME!
At times this was a real burden, but now I am glad we did it. Between the four of us we have something like 60 to 70.000 points of stuff all painted to decent battlefield standard. We have tons of terrain and the games look really good.
So what is the moral of this story? Well, I don't know, but I think that maybe, if we hadn't had the discipline to do it this way, we may have got bored again and dropped the game.
This approach isn't for everybody though.
Whatever others do though, is up to them. I have played against a "silver surfer" army and though I enjoyed the game, it was slightly disappointing as a spectacle.

Hena
11-02-2007, 10:52
When I started playing we all in the group played with unpainted minis. None of us had skills for it and I didn't want to paint crappy models, so I just didn't paint them. Nowdays that I have learned to paint I usually field just painted minis. But that's because I have my armies by and large painted.

But then I started to collect more armies (specifically to epic), I've started to field them unpainted again. If I need something that isn't painted in my army, I'm going to use it. Also I'm moving the painting of the specific mini to top of my painting list, but I might not have time.

But I don't assemble the mini if I think that it would interfere with my painting so unless it's about the right size unassembled, it won't get to field (such as E:A marauder bombers). But if it is (such as E:A Leman Russ tank) then It'll be there. Most likely primed with spray if I have a chance to do that.

Slaaneshi Slave
11-02-2007, 11:34
I have around 13,000 points to paint across 4 armies. It is getting painted slowly, but unless I don't want to play for the next two years I have to use unpainted figures. :(

kuriad
11-02-2007, 12:54
Not to mention, one of the most disheartening things to happen, is you spend hours and hours making some model look freeking amazing, and then find out that hes virtually useless in actual game terms.

Playtesting the army before you put time&money into a model is just good sense.


I completely agree with this post. For those of us who takes time and effort in painting a model this is most annoying. Nothing I hate more than painting a model, make it look awesome and then shelf it :(.

Some people however, wacks 3 types of paints on their models and calls it painted :), then they wonder how other ppl cannot paint their armies.

Spell_of_Destruction
11-02-2007, 13:22
I regularly play with unpainted models. I would love to play with fully painted armies but it takes me a while to reach that stage as I don't really have the time to paint armies up quickly.

Angelwing
11-02-2007, 13:23
personally, its a very rare thing if i field something unpainted, only then if im itching to try it out. thats a personal thing of painting stuff before i buy anymore stuff. i used to have hordes of models unpainted, and it got a wee bit depressing!
i dont mind playing against unpainted stuff at all. unassembled stuff though....
i dont like playing against armless models and the like (so that marine actually has a lascannon? i see....) even if the player informs me beforehand, as i often forget these things mid game.

Killgore
11-02-2007, 13:33
i find it totaly depends on the gaming group/ friendship group

some people just want to play and have little time for painting, other groups are alot more hardcore and have strict rules about painted models

i myself have always been inbetween, some painted, some not

Steel_Legion
11-02-2007, 13:38
I try to only play with well painted armies, some models I use are just undercoated as they are relatively new, but if I can, i chose only painted squads to take to battle, and try to finish off unpainted squads asap. I hate unpainted armies, but sometimes there are valid excuses, sometimes they are not though

ImhotepMagi
11-02-2007, 16:28
I would rather paint the models I love and leave the rest than force myself to paint because then it feel like a chore. And I hate chores. I tend to put them off until I HAVE to do them. And since I don't HAVE to paint, it would never get done. So either way I end up with unpainted armies.

So yes, play with unpainted stuff, but I do have a fair amount of painted models within my armies. I'd rather play than paint and I don't expect any more out of others than I do myself. I love seeing painted models and stuff, but I'd rather see an opponent standing on the other side of the table!

TCUTTER
11-02-2007, 16:56
unpainted minis are as much part of this game as your painting skills improving or the space marines always saving the day, its perfectly fine to do so, so long as you are going to paint them in the long run, even a black base coat is a start

Justicar_Freezer
11-02-2007, 18:11
In my gaming group we are a tight bunch of friends and we don't really care one way or another if we have painted or unpainted models. My friend, my dad, and I all run unpainted but fully assembeled and converted armies. While the other three fellows of our group run painted armies. The reason behind this is the three with painted armies enjoy painting and us three with unpainted armies find no joy in painting.

inane-fedaykin
11-02-2007, 18:34
I find painting entertaining but I have 1 vial of paint (white, that was stupid cause I bought a spray can of white base coat at the same time) and a whole lot of ****** brushes. It's frustrating to paint, I don't have the skill or the equipment to turn out something nice looking so I just base my models and let it go.

ShadowKitana
11-02-2007, 19:10
Goal: Eventauly Painted

Reality: I have been trying to paint my 2K tau for about a year now. Still painting.

Crazy Snika
11-02-2007, 20:04
Considering I try and paint my models to the best of my ability as soon as I get them, I usually dont play with unpainted models.
I dont mind playing against people with unpainted models though. I actually think that it is stupid that tournies (and even some GW's) wont let you play with unpainted and/or unbased models.

Icarus
11-02-2007, 20:18
I generally don't like to field unpainted models because I'm a bit of a perfectionist. But sometimes I do, especially when my Skaven army is in production! Our game group encourages people to play with what they've got rather than whats painted, just as a recognition of the fact that it takes a lot of time and effort to have whole armies of decently painted models.

Duhgame
11-02-2007, 20:31
Painted armies look better than plastic and meatl. Sadly, I can't always do this but, the important thing is to just try to do it. 1 model a month is better than 0 models ever. :)

Kiro
11-02-2007, 20:33
I used to play with unpainted models all the time. Hell, I used pieces of paper for proxies! I've become a sellout now that I've got money and refuse to use unpainted models in my armies...

Mythrider
11-02-2007, 22:47
If a player is a beginner and it is their first army unpainted models are acceptable (this is what escalation leagues are for and it really isn`t that hard to get 400-500 points painted). For veterans who already have an army, unpainted models are not acceptable. Use your existing army until your new one is ready. No excuses, there are plenty of pre-painted models on Ebay if you don`t like to paint.

I personally try to stick with Angelwing`s approach of not buying new stuff until my existing stuff is painted.

Locally shops (especially GWs), at least the ones closest to me, and tournaments run on a painted only basis.

I played in a Fantasy league a few years back run by a local shop, army lists were submitted to the shop for each game and the store kept track of victories for monthly prizes, unpainted models were allowed but at a 10% premium over their regular points cost.

Ironhand
11-02-2007, 22:54
Just remember this: If you don't love your models enough to paint them, how can you expect them to love you enough to fight well? :)

ashc
11-02-2007, 22:55
I always get real satisfaction in fielding fully painted armies so i try as much as i can to strive towards that goal.

I do not have a 40k army at the moment (as i cannot decide on one force i am happy to devote myself to) but recently i have had real difficulty in persuading myself to get round to painting my fantasy Ogre Kingdoms army; I have just got bored with painting gnoblars :evilgrin:

Ash

Kahadras
11-02-2007, 22:56
At the end of the day I really don't feel that playing with unpainted models is acceptable unless you are new to the game. Simply undercoating and putting on a base coat isn't a big ask and makes the army look a whole lot better on the table top.

Kahadras

Brother Fenix
11-02-2007, 22:58
I always play with painted models. Mostly cuz' I quite often will paint parts of the model while it is still on the sprue, so that being the case, gotta paint first, assemble second.

Grotsnik
12-02-2007, 00:00
I have several armies and will not play with unpainted/based models. But that is just me, as I really hate to see bare plastic/metal armies.

I accept the fact that new players will have unpainted figs when they are just starting. But people who have been playing the same primered army for a year or so are just lazy IMHO. :evilgrin:

pwrgmrguard
12-02-2007, 00:16
ahhh i own atleast three open pots of each color. All of my models (except the two russes and three Basalisks) are works in progress. I have a passion for painting tanks and they are done. I have an Ig army with atleast one squad of every non forge world specialist army (cadian catachan valhallen...etc..). SO you will always find me with a partially painted, but not quite detailed army.

I often play with unpainted models, but the next time i play they will be partially painted atleast. My opinion is, if you are trying to get the models painted no prob, but if week after week month after month they aren't painted, you're just lazy.

Lezta
12-02-2007, 00:28
The thing is, what if someone doesn't like painting? I know of plenty who only want to paint the mini's and not play - so why should people be ostracized for wanting only to play?

Icarus
12-02-2007, 00:33
Indeed. Thats certainly the way I felt about things when I started the hobby. Now I'm more 50/50, but whats wrong with just playing the game for fun?

swordwind
12-02-2007, 00:38
If your going to spend 300+ on a shiney new army, you may aswell paint it. After all, with that ammount of money is a can of spray paint, a pot of Boltgun Metal and Elf Flesh and a paintbrush really so expensive? 3 colours for Gods sake!

strv
12-02-2007, 00:51
I have yet to play with an unpainted model(one unit didn't have their eyes painted for one game though, but that doesn't count) and in my opinion unpainted models make the game a little less enyojible.

The Laughing Man!
12-02-2007, 00:59
I obviously prefere to play with and against armies that are fully painted but I also deepley despise painting, in fact its my least favorite part of the hobby.

Because of this I often end up playing with an army that has only been undercoated.

Interrogator Bob
12-02-2007, 01:01
OMG, there are so many ppl at my gaming club that run whole armies unpainted, i can't stand it, they have enough money to buy pretty much ever 40k and fantasy army but don't bother to paint it, pretty much GW ideal customers and what makes it worse is that they get there a,ss kicked most games :S

Yuuya
12-02-2007, 01:22
40k is an expensive hobby for me.if i buy a squad costing GBP20,
i make sure it looks GBP20 at the end of the day,not some worthless plastic.
this also control the amount of models i buy,as i wont want to have a ton of models sitting unpainted on my shelves.

winning or losing a game doesnt matter.but i like playing only with painted armies.its like watching a color movie,once you seen it you wont be looking at those black and white:o .

don_mondo
12-02-2007, 01:27
Yep, I'm guilty. While I have several fully painted armies, on occasion I will field a work-in-progress to see how units perform before I paint them more, etc. And just today, I told the guy running a tourney in two weeks that I was thinking of fielding one of those WiP. He said go for it, after all, with a zero painting score, we know I'm playing for fun, not to win the tourney. Besides, we all know my painting sucks.........

Way I look at it, they're your models, you don't wanna paint them, don't. Just be aware that we will heckle you, and yes, I expect my buds to heckle me if I do field the partially painted army in two weeks.

The Laughing Man!
12-02-2007, 01:35
winning or losing a game doesnt matter.but i like playing only with painted armies.its like watching a color movie,once you seen it you wont be looking at those black and white:o .

If you prefere glitter over substance then maybe but I personally would prefere a decent game against an unpainted army then a crap one against GD standard painting.

Alessander
12-02-2007, 01:39
Eventually, once a new GW player gets involved in other social ventures (girls, alcohol etc) the time for painting dwindles to a fraction of what it was before. Not everyone has the time to paint, and painting takes a lot more time than buying, assembling or converting. When my son was born, painting took a backseat to him. THe rare time I could play a game was with unpainted models. No one argued with me on that.

People arguing the 3 paint rule need to be smacked upside the head. I'd rather see an unpainted model than a model that was 100% poorly in just three paints + primer. Painting a model well takes a lot of time and patience. I have 6 squads of primed guardsmen, each squad with a different colored paint dot on the base so I can tell the squads apart. I just don't have time time to paint them.

I my game club in Denver, you often buy some new models before a game on the friday evening game night. I have nothing against unpainted models. I often see painted models that honestly look better unpainted.

Some game clubs where I know play at do try to encourage painted armies. Fully painted armies get one or two free rerolls per game. Sometimes you see painted only nights, but it's rare. Discouraging people from playing unpainted armies hurts the hobby, as new players may not have the patience to paint an entire army before playing. And as Murphey said, nothing is worse than realizing the model you've spend hours painting will never be worth placing on the battlefield anyway (or even worse, as a common newbie mistake, paint them in the wrong colors for your army and have rules nazis scream that you have to or can't play a certain rules set because of your paint scheme).

Same with proxies, i have nothing against paper proxies. I've played with paper photos of landspeeders when i was getting into Marines to see how they played. They were the right footprint and it was clear what they were. They counted as "infinitely high" in terms of LOS (a fair exchange for not having a model). But I'd rather have played with flat paper proxies than learn (back in 3rd ed) that speeder models were not that great.

This ultimately comes down to newbie vs veteran. Everyone was a newbie. And even some veterans don't have time to paint.

lector#1
12-02-2007, 01:50
when i start new armies all i do is paint the heros lords and veteran sergants of units so that they stand out th rest of my army will be grey or black.

i am 1 who hates painting but loves building converting and gaming.

to b honest i have never played with a fully painted army.

im going to be collecting ravenwing when the new models come out and because its all black it will b the first army fully painted.
(even with the random assault marines in it)

Frep
12-02-2007, 02:12
Why does it seem there is a huge amount of people who hate painting or don't have time for it but no one who refuses to build or convert their own models. (i'm not sure where that comment leads because it is simply that a comment). It seems to me that everyone has an issue with the whole I can't figure out how to paint 1000 points of _________. Doesn't anyone go by the system you paint your HQ and two troop choices play those at 500 pts and then just add painted units in so you can move up in size meanwhile having all of your units assembled so they CAN be played but don't have to.

Rhamag
12-02-2007, 02:16
I've banned myself from gaming until I get all my armies (see sig for details) painted 3 colours and based. It was embarrassing to go to my local GW to play and drag out the same old black-primed models. In fact the main reason I started Orks was because I couldn't face painting the Marines and stormtroopers.

It's now been 4 months since I had a game, but I've managed to 3-colour-and-base 1000 pts of stormtroopers and inquisitorial fellas. At this rate I should have them done in 3 years!

sodapopinski
12-02-2007, 02:34
I used to proxy a lot with paper, and played with unpainted or poorly painted armies due to lack of skill/experience, but as i got better things changed, i repainted all my troops and paint with this method:

1) dream and plan about and army/unit/conversion or whatever
2) proxy things out
3) buy
4) unassemble and leave on a table with all the implements ready to use, the damn minis make me nervous sitting there waiting for me to paint them
5) i walk near the table (which is in my room) and if i have a little time (half an hour will do) i paint until im bored, and that way things constantly get done without much effort, and i actually enjoy it pretty much as a pastime, not as an obligation
6)go to step 1

Ive found out i like much much more to play with/against painted armies, and try to avoid lazy players unless proxing in step 2 or starting to play

Rioghan Murchadha
12-02-2007, 02:42
Said it before, I'll say it again. Warhammer was a game way before it was a hobby. In fact, GW started out selling other peoples' games. Painting certainly isn't required to enjoy the game.

Someone in another thread has also managed to quote the head honcho of GW as stating that everything they do is to sell more minis.. thus the promotion of "The Hobby!".

That aside, I have 2 kids under 3 and less than 2 years apart, and I work full time plus. Don't exactly have time to paint, and play, and for me, painting takes a back seat to actually gaming.

If you have time to paint nicely, more power to ya, but we don't all have that luxury.

Schism
12-02-2007, 02:48
I prefer to play with/against painted armies. I just think it's what the GW hobby is all about; to have two nicely painted armies squaring off on the tabletop. I spend a fair amount of time painting my models (something that I largely enjoy but admit can get laborious), and its nice to play somebody who has put the same amount of effort into their army before flopping it out.

That said, I'd never refuse anyone a game because they haven't painted their models. You have to try to be accomodating to everybody, and some people don't have the time or resources to put out a fully painted army.

I do not like proxies, however. To me having proxies, particularly without having actually bought the models, is too often (not always) the sign of a 'win-at-all-costs' gamer who just wants to know how badass every unit in their list is without giving a damn about the aesthetic or fluffy side of the game. I don't mind somebody proxying another 10 spearmen onto the back of their 20 existing models; this usually shows intent, but entire units consisting entirely of small squares of paper detracts from the hobby for me.

BrainFireBob
12-02-2007, 03:08
In answer to the implied OP's concern:

No-one will care if you start playing with unpainteds/primers. Even the most die-hard anal "wants it painted" guy is generally happy as long as he sees steady, even if slow, progress in my experience. Well, less sour than normal, anyway. He might give an approving nod. If you're not interested in painting at all, well, find a gaming group that doesn't care, if you can.

And no-one minds painted poorly, if you've tried. In my experience, more gamers prefer to see a completely, yet poorly painted army than a mostly-black one with one or two stellar pieces, and another added every six months or so, at least while gaming. Never underestimate the power of hiding bad painting by having fully painted units! The eye skips over looking critically at each individual piece when they're all done.

Takitron
12-02-2007, 03:35
I play with unpainted models. I dont have time to paint with my 50+ hour work week. I also dont care if your models are painted. I DO care about WYSIWYG.

Playing is playing, someone might put some stuff together, play some games, and learn they really hate that army. so, that saves them from wasting a ton of time on making an army look good before they find something they are willing to spend that time on. Id rather them learn the rules and learn them right before they learn how to wetblend.

VetSgtNamaan
12-02-2007, 04:23
I have played with unbased and unpainted minis all the time to be honest. Work and its assorted other duties generally leave me with not alot of interestin in painting at the end of the day. I know on here alot of people are pretty passionate about painting but to each his own. I say go have fun who cares if they are painted or not have fun and play. Personally I have never had anyone refuse to play me because of the unpaintedness of my army. And if anyone ever did I would just have to say okay and find someone else to play.

ReDavide
12-02-2007, 04:40
My main army is about half painted, with the other half just primed black.

I don't have the money to buy professional painters, don't have the patience to get them all done before playing, and don't have the personality to speed things up by giving them anything less than the best paint job I can give them.

I've been lucky enough to never meet anyone who's complained about them.

Arkade
12-02-2007, 04:56
Well Over half of my Guard army is still unpainted so i got my gf to help haha. it is quite funny but she is relly getting the hang of it. And we all know 4 hands paint faster than 2. So she paints the armour and i tidy up and finsh them off. i dont like playing with unpainted models but i have to say i have never had an army fully done. maybe because i was young when i first got into it, meh i dono. thats my 2 cents :):)

dadaofthedead
12-02-2007, 06:06
I feel comfertable playing with unpainted models when i'm playing with my close friends, but i would never go out to a tournament or a store with them like that. I think it is a great way to play test things out. I remember my first veteran serg i painted when i started was equiped with a power fist and a storm bolter. He looked great but god what was i thinking.

Alx_152
12-02-2007, 06:18
On tournaments and in gw stores and gaming clubs I try to play with painted mini's. Elsewhere I don't care how the armies look as long as the rules are clear. Although my usual opponents recently started prefering to play with painted mini's i.s.o. unpainted ones.
I've only seriously started painting only a few years ago, taking about a half year or longer per army. At this rate I'll probably be finished over 15 years...

Holy Crap! Manticores!
12-02-2007, 07:02
Dude, welcome to the boards.

I'm not elitist about it, but killing my opponent's beautifully-painted models is so much more satisfying than killing his out-of-the-box-with-flash-on-them models.

And I understand that sometimes people didn't have time to paint their newest unit because of work, friends, mates, kids, emergencies, etc etc. In fact, my roomie and I played a game with some properly-modelled-but-completely-unpainted (well, almost completely unpainted) Orcs. ("The ones with paint are Big'Uns.") Good fun.

JustTony
12-02-2007, 07:06
I don't have a problem playing with bare or primed minis. I prefer to play with well painted models but sometimes life just happens and I put gray plastic on the table. My armies are getting painted, but slowly and I'll bet I'll still have unpainted minis the day I die, whenever that is. While I can do a good paint job, I much prefer building and converting models to painting.

My bad habits result in my constantly picking up this or that new model, either from eBay or the local shop. I also have a stupid huge pile of Forgeworld stuff that I want to look just so. My wife has an insane pile of wood elves and my brother has Ogre Kingdoms, about a blue million dark elves and a Forgeworld based Armored Company that I' helping him build. Very few of these have paint, yet.

I intend (like the road to hell, we know what it's paved with, right) someday to get all this stuff painted but since I work and go to school (my employer, UPS, pays me a bonus plus cost for every semester, so I'm getting my second degree in history, which I'll never use working on the aircraft ramp at UPS Louisville:D ) I don't have as much time as I'd like and I need a bigger house to do all the crap I want to. Also as I get older (I'm 45) I find that I really don't have the stamina to spend hours hunched over a painting table. My hands get stiff and my back hurts and the eyestrain gives me a headache.

Oh well. Maybe I'll win the lottery someday, if I ever buy a ticket. Then I can just afford to pay someone younger and more talented to paint all this junk.

Peace; through superior firepower.

SuperMitch
12-02-2007, 07:41
I play with a bunch of friends and we are all at the same college and all inundated with the same amount of work. All of us are totally cool with unpainted armies (indeed, the only completely painted army is the necron guy - and all his models are just boltgun metal).

dblaz3r
12-02-2007, 08:24
i`m only just getting back into the hobby after a long "life" break, so I guess my first few games will be of the unpainted variety, steadily growing into fully painted, but i`m a perfectionist so that might be awhile

eleveninches
12-02-2007, 09:24
Most of my models are unpainted, as I am not an excellent painter, and take a while to do a good job on a single squad, but have hundreds and hundreds od models. I would rather play with unainted models than with badly painted models.

Trainwreck
12-02-2007, 09:47
I Paint REALLLLYYY slow. So ya, I play with just a base coat, Painting Units one at a time as I go. It takes me about 2 days to paint up a 10 man Tac squad if I really get to it. I prefer the army to be painted. It has more depth and is a bit more professional but Like I said, I'm very slow on the brush. I usually finish up painting the army just in time to get bored and Start another one. Its a vicious cycle...

Szczur22
12-02-2007, 12:53
Playing with unpainted models?- NEVER. View of something unpainted on table is awful for me.Better to use prox.

Odin
12-02-2007, 13:03
I've been playing for 15 years now and I still haven't got a fully-painted unit in any of my armies. Problem is - I hate painting, but I'm very good at it. If I was a rubbish painter, I'd be happy to do a basic job.

Still, I'm making some progress. My Wood Elf army is coming along quite nicely - I've managed to paint 4 Dryads and a Mage over the last year or so.

Rlyehable
12-02-2007, 14:10
I started 40k with Tau. I primed and painted them before my first game (AFAIR). Since then I have added units, and usually they have been painted. I only have one unit in this army that is not painted. It is Vespid. They have 2 painted models, but did not perform well on the table, so are unlikely to see action again. However, when I find time (WIFT), they will be painted as well.

My second army was Tyranid. I did these for a GT in 2002. They are fully painted, but I admit, the paint scheme is simple. Boy was I tired of shadow grey after painting 984 hooves, talons, and claws.

My third army was Sisters of Battle. This army remains with the majority in "only primer". I found that my painting skills were not upto the wonderful quality of these models. I work on them occasionally, but each model takes several hours of work.

My fourth army was Space Marines. 80% of this army is painted. However, my color scheme is changing, and about 15% of the painted army is in the new colors. Unfortunately, the colors take about 3 coats to look somewhat nice, so progress is slow.

My fifth, and latest, army is Eldar. About 1/2 of the force I field is painted. About 1/8 primed. And 3/8 unprimed. Unfortunatly, it may be a bit before this changes, as I can't prime in the 3 months of winter (unless I want fuzzy eldar) . The only place I have to prime is outdoors and it is way below the 40 degrees fahrenheit recomended.

I like to see painted armies on the table. It makes it easier to keep track of squads and who's army is who's

Sceleris
12-02-2007, 14:27
From my point of view half (at least) of the joy of the hobby is the painting/converting side of it and don't, if I possibly can, play with unpainted models.

Don't mind newbies or those starting new armies/varients to run unpainted/proxy models but I'd get slightly narked if 6 months down the line they are still doing it. If you have enough time to play you can find time to paint.

Some GW stores/tournies have a 3 colour rule which isn't that bad - 'crons and WHFB undead are probably the easiest to meet this but it isn't that hard for others - undercoat, base-colour/drybrush and a bit of detail works fine and you don't have to be a master painter.

As others have pointed out, if you are spending 100+ you may as well spend a little time and effort to have a go at painting them - WD now if far more of an aid in this regard since it gives easy step-by-step guidance for all their new stuff.

Arkzein
12-02-2007, 15:38
Taking a personal view, for me the hobby *is* painting with gaming as a nice tag on when I can manage it. Most models get close to my best ability at the time (barring colour tests) and I never field an unpainted mini. (which means still about 5 months until I can game again after getting back into the hobby). My models are held together with pins and blu-tac until they get painted anyway so can't really play with them, fall apart to the touch.

On the wider view though, I don't mind unpainted or terribly painted minis at all. Proxys... within reason (I did draw the line at the spraycan/gummy bear space marine army) I mean I'm sure plenty remember the old Cardboard ork dreads? ;) Nice to see some other great looking minis but when gaming I'm not bothered how things look, the two are entirely separate in my opinion. Painting is painting, gaming is gaming.

MampiSwift
12-02-2007, 15:50
I think if your playing someone who gets bent out of shape for having unpainted models, then that person isn't someone whos going to be fun to play against.
for me, I always make sure that my models are at least undercoated, but my main army are Raven Guard so when i pick up a new model/squad, a black undercoat and they dont look too of place in a prodominately black army.
peace out

Chaos Lord Primus
12-02-2007, 15:59
Personally, I prefer to fight against a painted army, but there are a staggering variety of circumstances where I realize this an unrealistic expectation.

A lot of horde armies, for example, I don't mind if they're not all fully painted. I would be intimidated by that many figures.

Same goes for new players, painting is by far the most difficult and time-consuming aspect of 40k.

Or someone testing out a brand new army, who didn't have enough time to paint it.

And the lists goes on.

Anyways, painted is preferable, but most of the time, I'll understand if they're not.

Reabe
12-02-2007, 16:01
I, personally, feel that playing with unpainted models is heresy. The hobby isn't only about gaming, the background is important. If you're unit is unpainted, how can you tell they're the 5th Regiment of the Stirland Brigade? Or the 3rd Tactical Squad of the Midnight Marines?

Codsticker
12-02-2007, 16:04
I''ll probably get a couple chairs chucked at me *ducks* but I'm just wondering it anyone out there just plays with unpainted models? Like maybe you just buy them and then base them and just play? I'm new to Warhammer gaming and was just wondering.

Thanks!

I almost always play with painted models. Occasionally I'll use a basecoated model or an unfinished one. I don't care about my opponent's army; if he wants field bases with just the legs glued on I couldn't care less.

Reaver83
12-02-2007, 16:47
If you're unit is unpainted, how can you tell they're the 5th Regiment of the Stirland Brigade? Or the 3rd Tactical Squad of the Midnight Marines?

selotape bits of paper with that infor to their backs?

pookie
12-02-2007, 16:50
I, personally, feel that playing with unpainted models is heresy. The hobby isn't only about gaming, the background is important. If you're unit is unpainted, how can you tell they're the 5th Regiment of the Stirland Brigade? Or the 3rd Tactical Squad of the Midnight Marines?

does it matter what sqaud/regiment/unit they are from??? seriously id be happy to play against anyone as long as the models represented what they should ( im ok with proxies etc ) ie a dev sqaud has the heavy weps modeled on them rather than stickers saying im a las cannon!

painted or unpainted doesnt afect anything other than visual enjoyment, i have decided not to roll my army out to game with until its fully painted, but i have over the last few months used it unpainted in my local GW store to gauge what i want to have in my force and what i may add/drop from week to week.

half the fun is painting/modeling the other half is gaming, why spoil your fun just because someone cant/is too lazy/doesnt want to paint there army?

omricon
12-02-2007, 17:08
Painted armies are always nicer to look at. However, those who love painting and have time for it and those who believe a painted army is more important than a good game are being unsympathetic to those taking the opposite view. Theres one guy who has taken to buying fully painted armies just so he can be art of a group that would otherwise rib him.

It all depends where you derive your pleasure from, in my case I join the ranks of people who love models, building, converting and playing but hate painting.

JEnbu
12-02-2007, 17:25
As a uni student i find it hard to sit down and paint, Over the past couple of months i've got a 1500 choas army, and only my defiler is undercoated, why? well;
1. Im a student and therefor have a load of work to do
2. When im not at uni im working to pay bills off for my acconidation
3. I have no money to buy all the paints i need so i basicly get a paint a week

It all comes down to time for me, i love building and converting, but im also a happy painter when i have the time

Captain Micha
12-02-2007, 17:57
you can spray paint them all red, blue, black, white... I just want some form of paint. just cause models are easier to tell apart that way

Gaebriel
12-02-2007, 19:16
... Doesn't anyone go by the system you paint your HQ and two troop choices play those at 500 pts and then just add painted units in so you can move up in size meanwhile having all of your units assembled so they CAN be played but don't have to.
I'm afraid many people are drowning in variety. I buy faster than I ever could paint - I'm lucky if I get them built fast enough. If you have a few thousand points of models lying around it's not easy to decide which to start painting and which not. I go by mood, and I made that 'mistake' a long time ago, so I have no distinct pattern of which units are painted.


... and don't have the personality to speed things up by giving them anything less than the best paint job I can give them. ...
Dito. Because they are that expensive, I don't want to spoil my spent 10.95 by just slapping on 'three paints'. And with my painting skills I take long to finish even a most basic miniature (and that's for decent tabletop standard only :cries: ).


... If you have enough time to play you can find time to paint. ...
Not really, if I take that time to paint, I can't play. Also, it takes me perhaps three hours to play a game with ~50 models. In the same time I could (with my pace) finish one model. You can't compare those.

One also can't compare the time commitment of different people - from carefree teenagers with exactly one pastime to working parents with a loadout of responisbilities. Of course GW caters to those more towards the former, but I don't think that should cutout those more towards the latter...

Having said that, I try to never field an unprimed model and started to not field proxies. I could never play in a group with an all-painted policy (never needed/wanted to play in-store, in a club or on tournaments), and would not insult people who make side-remarks with my presence a second time. I guess that's what private gaming-networks are for ;)

Rioghan Murchadha
12-02-2007, 21:09
I, personally, feel that playing with unpainted models is heresy. The hobby isn't only about gaming, the background is important. If you're unit is unpainted, how can you tell they're the 5th Regiment of the Stirland Brigade? Or the 3rd Tactical Squad of the Midnight Marines?

Yeah.. see, I don't play the 'hobby'. I play the game. I've also been playing long enough to know that 'the hobby' is a concept they cooked up to sell more crap.

I believe it started somewhere around WFB 4th edition, where you actually had spell cards that said "If you don't have the appropriately painted citadel miniatures, then horrors/skeletons etc. are not created."
(raise dead, and one of the tzeentch spells)

Eirich
13-02-2007, 07:43
I accept players who paly unpainted models as I do it my self some times but it's always nicer to field a painted army, it's a much better feeling.
I spend about 1,5 hours on a simple Firewarrior and my Hammerhead took me about 2 weeks to get painted, the painting takes some time, that's how I like it to be.

Stormsender
13-02-2007, 08:50
I never field an army without it being painted to at least gaming standard, I like to take a little pride in how my army looks, when I lose I at the very least look good doing it.
I get burnt out painting though lately probably because I bought almost a whole Marine company and began painting. It took 3 months for me to paint up 6 Tac squads. I now chose a different type unit to paint every other one so I can enjoy painting something different each time although helps prevent burn out. I will be painting 3 Land raiders at the same time but thats not that difficult.
The amount of models I have painted has definitely inproved my painting ability. I don't mind playing against other armies that are unpainted, I enjoy playing against and seeing well painted mini's though.

The_Hrud
18-02-2007, 19:54
it is annoying to field unpainted models, but i have so much stuff, and keep getting so much more, the to do list just keeps growing...