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navratil
16-02-2007, 08:13
If your equipped with light armor shield and a spear do you get the 4+ save in h2h or the regular 5+ since spear isnt a hand weapon or is it?

sds661
16-02-2007, 08:15
Only 5+. The spear has other special abilities and is not classed as a regular hand weapon.

navratil
16-02-2007, 08:17
thanks for the quick reply.

Aelyn
16-02-2007, 13:58
More accurately, if the unit's already equipped with Hand Weapons and has the option to take spears, you can choose which weapon to use in combat - so you can forgo the extra attacks in favour of the +1 save. Note that you have to decide before any attacks are made and must stick with your decision until the combat is over.

If for some reason the model doesn't have a hand weapon - either because it doesn't come with the unit as standard or because the spear replaces the hand weapon - you don't have this choice.

Irakaz
16-02-2007, 23:12
If for some reason the model doesn't have a hand weapon - either because it doesn't come with the unit as standard or because the spear replaces the hand weapon - you don't have this choice.
Aren't all models considered to be armed with a hand weapon regardless of what equipment it says they have?

Aelyn
16-02-2007, 23:54
Aren't all models considered to be armed with a hand weapon regardless of what equipment it says they have?
Technically yes, but it's always worth pointing out the corner cases in case they change their mind.

Case in point: In 6th ed, Orcs didn't have hand weapons - only choppas. They could therefore never choose to use a hand weapon and shield.

TheWarSmith
17-02-2007, 04:44
But I believe all models are assumed to have "hand weapons" in addition to whatever equipment it already says.

Wafry
17-02-2007, 11:44
Hi.

One question about the new Orcs book.
Thay say choppas are now treated as normal hand weapons for everything except that they give the strength bonus.

This means that choppa+shield+light armor on foot orc is 4+ salvation plus strength 4 on the first round, right?

Wafry
17-02-2007, 11:50
And talking about choppas...

black orcs with 2 choppas have two strenght 5 attacks on the first round (and probaly the only round), right?

Festus
17-02-2007, 12:21
Hi

Rigth and right.

And there is a little *edit* button just below your post which allows you to combine both questions into one post.
:)

Festus