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tenpole
23-02-2007, 16:15
All threads should clearly state their relevance to Warseer Blood bowl league or risk being deleted.
Although in my thread about ISP I did clearly state that my issue with my ISP was that I was unable to get javabowl working in peak hours and was asking fellow WBBL on which ISP they use to asses connection issues. No javabowl= no fumbbl = no play.

Auto bot should have stated in his post the "Big Move" that because he was moving there would be no managing the WBBl league or games played by him. Er he did didn't he?

And Deng Ham. Fancy posting a post in WBBL about a WBBL team and their fan base.

Arkzein
23-02-2007, 17:30
Indeed, all WBBL related and I'd wager deleted because the mods made an honest mistake not knowing what exactly the WBBL is or the fact that it relates to another site.

Tenpole's thread was relevant looking for an isp that worked reliably with fumbbl, if being unbiased it could have also went to random musings.

Autobot's thread was indeed not spam, and could even have been stickied given he runs the WBBL and we need to know what's going on with his move as to when we can actually play! Again to be somewhat objective perhaps changing the title to "this is what's happening to the WBBL as I move" would have worked.

Likewise Deng's thread, slightly facetious and, my god, a bit of fun that this league is based on? In no way off topic and if anything for a bit of a laugh is going to be labeled spam and deleted we're in trouble.... I'm guessing the content had something to do with it, but again still PG13.

As I said before in IRC I come from a community with many sub mods with specific knowledge of what they are modding and the format here is somewhat different, namely just global mods it seems so perhaps I'm just not used to this way of doing things. However this has led to what I believe are honest mistakes rather than over zealous modding, namely mods not knowing that the WBBL and fummbll are inherently linked. Furthermore the group here are quite close and simply don't mind such threads and having an "outsider" enter and remove things they deem inappropriate has created some ill feeling. Simply seems to be the case of mods not involved in any way with what they are modding and, as such, erring on the side of caution.

In summation when the moderating is at odds with each and every user of a forum (or sub forum in this case), as has been the concensus of the actual members of the WBBL I've talked with so far, then there is a problem. None of us actually wanted these threads removed or, at the very least, had no problem with their presence.

Suggestions? Quite simple, give the modding over to the current admit of the WBBL itself, with the global mods of course wayching over. I actually thought AutobotHQ *was* the mod here and to be honest was frankly astonished to find that wasn't the case. We have an entire forum dedicated to the WBBL which is moderated by those with no involvement in it whatsoever? As I've said I'm not used to the Warseer way of doing things but to be it seems rather strange to say the least.

In any case I guess from now on we have to make the titles clear enough to show that what we're posting actually is to do with the league lest we lose some more threads. :)

Yorkiebar
23-02-2007, 17:56
Suggestions? Quite simple, give the modding over to the current admit of the WBBL itself, with the global mods of course wayching over. I actually thought AutobotHQ *was* the mod here and to be honest was frankly astonished to find that wasn't the case. We have an entire forum dedicated to the WBBL which is moderated by those with no involvement in it whatsoever? As I've said I'm not used to the Warseer way of doing things but to be it seems rather strange to say the least.We tend not to have subforum moderators here on WarSeer - firstly it's not that big and secondly the moderating team we have usually do a great job. When we first got the subforum I inquired about self-moderation and was basically told no. I don't expect that to have changed.

Arkzein
23-02-2007, 18:02
Aye, so you said on IRC, thought I'd toss the thought out in any case. You know me, stubborn and stick to my guns. Worth a shot. ;)

th0r
23-02-2007, 18:19
I think Arkzein is right in regards to the mods not fully understanding the purpose of the thread but on the other hand do realize that we've had questionable content posted in the past that has brought this on.

Wintermute
23-02-2007, 19:05
Did any one raise the question, in the Helpdesk, why the ISP thread was moved?

If you don't raise questions with us, we will not know, will we?

Wintermute
The WarSeer Inquisition

th0r
23-02-2007, 19:11
I figured there was no point to posting in the helpdesk, since last time I did it got 30+ views and no replies.

Yorkiebar
23-02-2007, 19:17
Did any one raise the question, in the Helpdesk, why the ISP thread was moved?

If you don't raise questions with us, we will not know, will we?

Wintermute
The WarSeer Inquisitionhttp://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70966

:p

I think it's important to raise this outside the Helpdesk though. Better to have one thread to sort it for everyone rather than twenty individuals.

Brimstone
23-02-2007, 19:29
I'm well aware of what WBBL is being a Blood Bowl player myself.

I'll be keeping a closer eye on this forum from now on.

Arkzein
23-02-2007, 23:12
Well that solves it, for me anyway. :)

tenpole
24-02-2007, 07:47
I'm well aware of what WBBL is being a Blood Bowl player myself.

I'll be keeping a closer eye on this forum from now on.

Any chance of joining the group?

Autobot HQ
25-02-2007, 10:20
Brimstone does a fine job, always helped with any posts I've done through the help desk. I think it was just sped read in the case of my moving post, but it is an honest mistake, one I can easily forget. While I'm moving btw, I'm starting another tourny for those not in the UI, so the other teams don't feel left out or that the top teir guys are getting extra games.

Thanks Brimmy :D

t-tauri
25-02-2007, 14:46
I think it was just sped read in the case of my moving post, but it is an honest mistake, one I can easily forget. Both removed threads were full of spam-comparisons of breast size and the availability of sky plus. The removal wasn't a mistake.

Autobot HQ
25-02-2007, 16:01
Misread that post then, was about to say I can't remember anythingabout brest size on my post - You meant the Sky+

I think we (probably myself included) need to to just not spam topics. Maybe open a Warseer Spam post :p hehe perhaps not.

t-tauri
25-02-2007, 16:12
If you want to spam join the guild (http://www.warseer.com/forums/faq.php?faq=the_guild#faq_subscribing) and go to the chaos wastes.

Arkzein
25-02-2007, 17:48
Firstly, definition of Spam again. None of those threads were post count pharming, or entirely pointless (as a three word story for example would have been) They had a point and a purpose, admittedly facetious in one case and off topic in the other two. That's just me being somewhat pedantic I guess though, tend to feel "spam" is the equivalent of a forum cuss word.

Definition, or mandate if you will, of the forum as well though. A place for WBBL members to chat amongst themselves, or a place strictly for discussion, updates and info on the WBBL? Seems the latter and anything slightly OT or facetious will face deletion. If that's the case there is little need of it, a couple of sticky threads in the main BB section would suffice.

All well and good to say put topics in the right place, but there is a small community here within the Warseer one that perhaps want to discuss things between themselves. I'm sure the old "use a chat program" could be said but rather hard when only a few people are online at any given time or place.

To be constructive perhaps removing counts here adding to that damned number if that's the issue? Or another sub forum with such a system for OT chat between WBBL members? In my view the stickies can deal with the important league issues and anything else should only go if offensive or blatant spam (as in sheer nonsense or post count pharming). I mean who's it hurting to actually let the WBBL members chat amongst themselves and have a bit of a laugh, even if "Off Topic"?

Honestly I wasn't too fussed about this, and even since getting into the issue we've all been giving the benefit of the doubt fishing for a discussion but the above: "We're right, like it or lump it" responses have irked me somewhat. (Again mostly like due to hoping for some discussion or resolution)

We have a forum pretty much solely used by WBBL members, none of which had a problem with said threads. Moderation entirely at odds with the community it moderates and when we raise the issue we get the above. (Mind you I would have been more than happy to let things sit as was after Brimstone's post).

Admittedly I've not been around as long as some and I know in forums that tends to lend less weight to ones argument but I'm still going to sit up and say when I disagree with things.

Can't we just set some bounders and define the forum as "A place for WBBL members to talk amongst themselves" rather than just "WBBL" or some such and hence chance these "rules" that seem at odds with those that actually post here? Right now it seems it’s just down to moderator discretion of what they think belongs or doesn't. Still get rid of anything offensive, pornographic or blatant Spam would at least remove this entire off topic issue.


In any case after all that verbosity, it's still not a huge issue. Be nice to have it sorted, dead and buried for all involved though I imagine.

tenpole
25-02-2007, 18:35
One point Arkzein made that if we can not have a general chat about our group why bother having this sub forum anyway.

Jet
25-02-2007, 20:13
In the end we have to see it as a priviledge to use their forum facilities, and we should have no problems abiding by their rules, rather than trying to dictate our own. The FUMBBL forums themselves are full of meaningless conversation, so it wouldn't be a problem to open up a thread there if that's the kind of conversation we wish to have.

Lastly, please stop opening new threads. If a previous thread is even mildly closely related to the topic you are going to post about, put it in there. We have a dangerous number of threads making it to a handful of posts and then dying.

Keravin
25-02-2007, 22:28
Can I suggest that we stop posturing and just post on topic. The mods here do a great job and we can have conversations just fine about Fumbbl without having to go off topic.

Brimstone
25-02-2007, 22:41
It's fairly simple the WBBL forum is for the discussion of the WBBL, matches, fixtures, issues etc.

Some off topic discussion is expected but there is a limit to what we can allow which you have now exceeded.

Warseer is a topic led forum we do not have sub-forums for people just to 'chat' about off topic subjects, we have Random Musings and the Chaos Wastes for that.

Arkzein
26-02-2007, 16:27
A bit harsh there Benny? If the rules can't be questioned and discussed when they seem to be causing problems we'd have issues. Agreed that it is a privaledge, not a right, though and even if we disagree with the end decision it has to be stuck with.

So the forum is indeed just for updates and such on the WBBL and not a community forum. (Which does mean I was coming at it from the wrong end of things so to speak) Fair enough, I don't agree and still believe it's somewhat at odds with what the actual users of the forum want constraining things like that, takes away a bit of community spirit and leaves them somewhat cold and functional, but rules are rules and I'll of course abide by them.

I believe my problem was coming from, to use the turn of phrase above, a "community led" from rather than "topic led" forum, insofar that each main sub forum generally has it's own self contained community and having just one general "Off topic" forum wouldn't have worked, as each community only really wanted to talk amongst themselves. (Yet within in community there were clearly defined topic-led areas to post in of course) I Still feel this is more the case for the WBBL, unlike all other sub forums here, (Ie a small community within the larger Warseer one) but concede that it's somewhat anomalous within Warseer and having specific rules for just one area as it's a bit different perhaps wouldn't work too well. (Though would have off topic sticky be an adequate compromise?)

In any case we have the final say it seems which is something at least, and like a said before, it's not really a huge issue is it? :)

Deng Ham
26-02-2007, 16:46
Did any one raise the question, in the Helpdesk, why the ISP thread was moved?

If you don't raise questions with us, we will not know, will we?

Wintermute
The WarSeer Inquisition

I was not shure of protocol. and so I did not post it on the help desk but sendt a PM to "philbrad" The mod who closed the tread. I was suprised to dicover that he did not know we played online. And thus required a stabile conection.

Ark have a fiew good points. The first is that we (or some of us on the WBBL forum) want the spam. And second that the attitude the mods have used. I know that the job is a most ungratefull one. But I still don't think that justify closing treads and using the "I'm a mod, so do as I say" statement.