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Angry Lawyer
25-02-2007, 22:15
So, yeah, having been an on-and-off player of Warhammer for a long time, I finally decided to live the dream - and build a playable Fimir army. I've had a few Fimir miniatures (mostly bits from Heroquest, and a couple of metal ones).

So, what ruleset to base it on? After much thinking, Beast of Chaos seemed the most fitting course of action, because of their skirmishing nature seeming fitting and the mixture of Gors/Ungors seems to work well with Fimm/Shearl.

So, without further ado, what I currently have painted:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6217/dirachuh1.jpg

A Dirach mage. Kinda blurry photo, but I only noticed after I'd put the camera away.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6271/warlord1lu2.jpg

A Fimm noble.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7100/warlord2cq2.jpg

And another one.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4628/assaultlg3.jpg

A load of Fimm warriors rushing my unit of Sea Guard.

Anyways, beyond that, I've got a lot of extra Fimm to paint (I've built command groups for it), and I've started converting a bucketload of Shearl out of Skinks (I say convert, but the amount I have to change makes it feel more like a scratch-build) - that'll leave me with four beast-herds.

Beyond that, I'm getting enough plastics together to build a unit of Fianna Fimm (I'll sculpt chain-mail and great-weapons onto some Heroquest Fimm).

Also, to clarify, I know that you're not allowed to mount large creatures on smaller bases, but are there any rules against the inverse? I.e. a creature with an oversized base?

And the final question - I plan to build a Daemonomaniac (proxying for a Shaggoth) out of bits and pieces. It's pretty much a really big, possessed Fimir with blades for forearms. Anybody have suggestions what parts I should order? I was thinking of classic Giant legs, and sculpting a head, and plasticard for blade-arms, but beyond that, it's confusing me.

Yet to think of a name of the army, or whatever general I pick.

In the coming days, I'll take photos of current progress with my Shearl. They're the first major sculpting work I've had to do, so they're a bit rough at the moment.

-Angry Lawyer

Mephistofeles
25-02-2007, 22:33
This is...strange to say the least.

I like it anyway, and I am looking forward to updates. You have done an excellent job on them so far.

RizzenBlade
25-02-2007, 22:34
Hey Fimir, I haven't seen anything to do with these guys since I started the hobby all those games of hero quest ago

Angry Lawyer
25-02-2007, 22:36
Heroquest was what got me into Fantasy in the first place, so it seems fitting to return to my roots with the one race no longer represented from that game.

Also, thankyou for the kind comments :D

-Angry Lawyer

RizzenBlade
25-02-2007, 22:39
Yeah me too actually, well my brother introducing me to hero quest I guess, then the madness came.

But yeah, you seem to have made a decent amount of progress

Boss_Salvage
26-02-2007, 16:35
Ahhhhhh very awesome to see some wildly old school models hitting the table again. Excited to see where this goes, and to see all these Fimir I never caught the first time around. Also, if your 'skinks' are turning out how I think they are, I'm looking forward to seeing those little guys too ;)

- Salvage

strv
26-02-2007, 20:01
That's very neat, fimirs are awesome, I would like to have some myself, no source for the models though.

Sleazy
28-02-2007, 13:40
ahhhh I get all warm inside whenever Heroquest is mentioned, i too started on this most slippery of slopes because of that iconic game.

I'd love to play against this army, I think the Fimir were dropped because of the unpleasant fluff (rape not being high on GWs cool list).

How have you got so many heroquest Fimir?

Angry Lawyer
28-02-2007, 19:11
EBay, typically. You'd be surprised how many old Heroquest bits appear on there. I've got some 20 Fimm build currently, and I'm in the process of cutting up an additional 10 to convert to Fianna\Bestigor.

Seems that crazy base-sizes are a no-no, though, so I'm going to have to sculpt a standard-scale equivalent of each of my characters for when I face someone not willing to ignore this little oversight.

-Angry Lawyer

Arhalien
28-02-2007, 19:13
Ermm, wierd. But different. Consider me subscribed :)

Darknight
01-03-2007, 21:13
Seems that crazy base-sizes are a no-no, though, so I'm going to have to sculpt a standard-scale equivalent of each of my characters for when I face someone not willing to ignore this little oversight.

Ignore such nay-sayers, and simply do what I did with my Empire Grandmaster - he is mounted on a normal horse (25mm x 50mm base in the official rules) but is actually physically mounted on a 50mm x 50mm base (Archaon's horse). What I do is have one less model physically in the unit than there should be and simply count the extra base space as another knight.

Not sure how that might work for a skirmishing army, but I daresay you could always remove one or two or three models when you rank the unit up to fight.

Another suggestion which I think you should do is to glue a normal sized base to the actual based used and ensure that its dimensions can be seen clearly even through the flock etc. You can then measure ranges and so forth from that marked base.

Asuril
01-03-2007, 22:40
Are those Fishmen?!

Harken to me, mortals, the Fishmen HAVE ARRIVED!

Sleazy
02-03-2007, 15:46
no dude, they are the Fimir! WFBs one eclusive race (i think)

from Wiki...

Fimir are a fantasy race created by Graeme Davis and Jes Goodwin at the end of the Eighties for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay (WFRP) and the 3rd edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battle (WFB). Heavily inspired by the Fomorians of celtic myth, they are depicted as humanoid, cycoplean creatures with barbed tails and beak-like snouts, with skins that varied from a dark green to a muddy brown colour.

The Fimir inhabit the wetlands of the Warhammer world, typically within crudely constructed fortifications resembling nothing more than a pile of rocks. From these locations, the Fimir raid the homes of humans, taking captives for daemonic sacrifices. The Fimir loathe sunlight, and are followed by wreathes of mist to shield them from it, and their homes are always shrouded by it.

Fimir society is divided into a caste system, consisting of Meargh, the Dirach, the warriors, and the Shearl. The Meargh - also known as witch-hags - are the leaders of Fimir colonies, as well as the only females. A Meargh would typically also be a very powerful user of magic. The Dirach - described as "daemon-friends" - are a caste of wizards specialising in the worshipping of Daemons. The warrior caste - consisting of Fimm (warriors), Fianna Fimm (elite warriors), and the various nobles - take the brunt of raiding and fighting. The Shearls - the slaves of a Fimir settlement - exist only to work and die.

The ruling Meargh hold the clans together. In the event of a Meargh's death, the Fimir of her stronghold separate, either working as mercenaries for other evil creatures or seeking out another clan to join.

The Fimir were created at the behest of Games Workshop's then-owner, Bryan Ansell who wanted a race "to be as distinctive of Warhammer as the Broo are of Runequest". [1] However, the Fimir did not prove popular, and disappeared with the 4th edition of WFB, although this did give them time to make a guest-starring appearance in Milton Bradley's HeroQuest. Very few (official) sources on Fimir exist and include the WFRP Bestiary, an article in White Dwarf No. 102, the third edition of WFB (Bestiary and Warhammer Armies) and some references in supplements.

There are two Fimir miniatures at the "correct scale" i.e. a size between 1.8m and 2.1m (in-game scale): Fimir (actually Fimm Warriors) from HeroQuest and some limited edition Fimm Warrior miniatures sold separately. One can also find Fimir by Nick Bibby the size of ogres, although these obviously do not integrate well with the "correctly" scaled models. Original concept sketches of the miniatures made by Jes Goodwin represented human-sized creatures and the published characteristics of the Fimir reflected this fact. However, when Nick Bibby started to sculpt the Fimir miniatures, he made them ogre-sized, leading to them being disproportionately weak for the size of their figurine in WFB. It was officially decided that this was the fault of the authors. Ultimately, WFRP was published with Fimir, but the race disappeared from the next edition of WFB.

The last official appearance of the Fimir was in the WFRP sourcebook Marienburg: Sold Down the River, published in 1999. Since WFRP 2nd edition, the background has been brought into line with WFB and races such as Zoats, Gnomes and Fimir have been quietly dropped. Games Workshop described such races as being in 'interminable hiatus'. [2] In response, several fan-written creations have been published, including a 'Fimir special' issue 25 of the WFRP fanzine Warpstone

Asuril
03-03-2007, 01:59
Sounds like fishmen to me. :3

Hehe, thanks for the info.

Imp of High Noon
04-03-2007, 04:06
Oh my. Now I feel old

Chris_Tzeentch
04-03-2007, 09:54
Fimir are fantastic - I am so jealous you have the old figures.

Fantastic!

Angry Lawyer
05-03-2007, 18:41
I've started sticking chain-mail to one of the spare Fimm I have, and made a crude Great Weapon, to test the Bestigor idea.

As for the Shearl/Ungors, I've shaved another ten, and reposed them. I'll try to finish one or two and post a picture, but the sheer number I'm doing (40) is kinda choking me.

It seems the idea of sculpting characters and using the classic metal Fimir as Minotaurs/Ogres is the way forward.

-Angry Lawyer

Arhalien
05-03-2007, 18:45
One thing about the models; is there any major difference model-wise between the nobles and the normal warriors, as there doesn;t seem to be from the group shot.

Angry Lawyer
05-03-2007, 20:50
Size and number of weapons, generally. And the sculpts on the nobles are much more detailed and animated.

-Angry Lawyer

Hywel
05-03-2007, 22:42
You should turn up on a beginner's night with the army once it's finished and see how long you can keep a straight face. :D

Good work mate, its excellent to see someone indulging in the older, more characterful models and resurrecting an almost lost piece of warhammer history.

Angry Lawyer
07-03-2007, 09:46
Warhammer history fascinates me. I have a Zoat leading my Lizardman army.

I like your idea of beginners' nights :D

I've got an entire day off of work today, so I'll take some pictures of my current progress.

-Angry Lawyer

Angry Lawyer
11-03-2007, 13:22
Quick update. As this is my first major sculpting work, it's not quite to the standard as everyone else here, but I'm one of those people who keeps on adding more and more.

Still gotta fill some gaps, and add some extra detail, but I've just got some Milliput, which I find makes a better filler than Green Stuff.

Not the best photo, but the sun's awkward today and I'm strapped for time.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/750/shearlqt1.png

I'm going to redo the feet and straighten the spears a little, and I've got 10 to this stage, and another 10 in limbo. I need to get 40 of them to resonable-quality stage. Yeesh. Things I sculpt always tend to look better when painted.

-Angry Lawyer

Ornithoticus
13-03-2007, 18:25
looks good for a first attempt, next time think through the poses beforehand and you'll get a much better effect

Angry Lawyer
14-03-2007, 00:22
Aye, I know what you mean. Thankfully, because I'm building them in manageable batches, I can spread the poorly-posed ones between units and make it seem a little more natural.

-Angry Lawyer

Davout
14-03-2007, 01:03
Great work on these man, I just picked up a copy of the Hero quest game and I can't wait to paint up the old figs.

Your Firmir look great, and I think this is a great idea for an army.

Keep it up

torso777
18-03-2007, 17:15
Very nice. I love to seeing all the old school models. makes me want to cruise ebay for some fimir stuff.

RizzenBlade
18-03-2007, 18:21
Id recognise those bodies anywhere, nice way to use those spare skinks :P
Your modeling work isnt acctually as bad as you say it is, just keep at it seriously.

Angry Lawyer
31-03-2007, 13:22
After redoing the feet of my Shearls, I'm a little happier.

I've got the first game of a Warbands campaign today down at the GW, so I had to finish 250points really quickly. This is my warband (poor light in my lounge, so sorry about the shadows):

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4740/armyvy3.jpg

My general, in front of a really big Fimir:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8081/herocloseupic6.jpg

And the units, with the Shearl skittering between them.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8805/shearlcloseupki2.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5332/unitcloseupsq0.jpg

Wish me luck in my battles today, as I've never actually played Warbands, and this will be my first actual use of my Fimir army, ever.

-Angry Lawyer

Aflo
31-03-2007, 15:29
Good luck ;)
Awesome that you are doing a fimir army, my opponenet of choice in the glory days of heroquest. I would reccomend you take some time on the bases - they are swamp monsters after all, and some grimy sludgey bases would complement them enormously.
Regards
Aflo (Adam)

Angry Lawyer
31-03-2007, 16:49
I'm probably going to do a few stagnant pools and the like once I figure out what I really want.

Just returned home from the campaign - played two games - massacred an Ogre warband, and drew against an Orc/Goblin warband. They're doing me proud so far!

Upon looking at my Shearl, I'm suddenly reminded of the old TV character "Alf"

-Angry Lawyer

cerealkiller195
31-03-2007, 17:18
i like em, i had a couple of spare ones but i have no clue where they went. what were the reactions of the staff and otherplayers about your army?

Angry Lawyer
31-03-2007, 17:34
Store manager said "Fimiiiiirrr!"
Other staff's responses were "Fimir aren't real!" and "Oooh!?"
The youngsters that passed by were like "What the hell are they?"
The vets that passed said "Those look awfully like those fog-making beasties from 3rd edition"

Overall, a success, I think. I'm going to have to shave a whole lot more Shearl though D: I've got twenty nine skink bodies on my desk awaiting conversion.

Still must work out the parts I'd use for a Shaggoth (which would be a really big Fimir with blades for arms, generally referred to as a "Daemonomaniac", but I'm not sure if it's canon).

-Angry Lawyer

Bretagne
26-04-2007, 02:20
cool models. all i can say for the bases is, "Play Ball!"

Chainsofsigil
09-06-2007, 18:49
Fimirs are so nang! Kudos to you for embarking on such an adventurous project.

Are the wee 'skink' Fimirs blind by the way? I say this because they remind me of the eyeless Trogladytes from Heroes of Might and Magic. I actually think their even cooler blind, relying on their other senses to keep em alive.

Anyway, top project man, I look forward to seeing its completion.

silverstu
10-06-2007, 23:58
fimir- long time since i've come accross these fellas. Excellent work mate keep it up.

Dreadaxe
24-09-2007, 12:10
I like your start of Fimir army. Look my army too that I played like Orc Grimgor army for France GT 2005
http://dreadaxe.free.fr/fimir/

Tzaryn
24-09-2007, 13:10
Just thought I'd add another "Hoorah!!" to the topic.

Really nice to see a characterful army and the use of a 'retconned' race brings eBay to my browser.

Nice one!!

Red Scorpion
24-09-2007, 21:13
Looks great :)

Only thing I'm not too keen on are the bases (I always think a nicely finished off base really finishes off a figure). These would look brilliant on swampy bases with some static flock and the odd patch of rushes (could use bristles from a sweeping brush or large paintbrush). Really great work though, a characterful army that you've obviously put a lot of effort into!

I'm currently at uni in Newcastle (living in Durham), do you play in the store? I've just bought some dwarfs on ebay and I'm looking forward to having my first games of fantasy.

jesusjohn
22-11-2007, 22:39
Gods that takes me back. All the way back to 1st ed fantasy roleplay. one of the best senarios they posted in white dwarf! Keep up thegood work!

Angry Lawyer
22-11-2007, 23:13
Mad resurrection!

As this thread has come back, I might as well give status updates - I'm 1/4 the way through building a big block of armoured great weapon weilding Fiana Fimm, have a half sculpted giant Fimir thingy, and just need to do another 20 Shearl, and a battle standard, and I'm done building.

Photos eventually!

-Angry Lawyer

EvilMonkee
22-11-2007, 23:15
Fimir not seen some of those in ages!

colhodg
26-11-2007, 11:51
Just a thought - have you seen those fenbeast thingys used in the albion campaign - not sure if you can still get them but they might make for a characterful chaos troll/minator replacement in your army. Looing good for old converted plastic figs.

Always good to see something a bit different on here. well done!

Getifa Ubazza
26-11-2007, 20:42
Wow Those were my favourite Heroquest models. Its so good to see them again.

Angry Lawyer
26-11-2007, 22:50
I'm currently using three fenbeasts as Chaos Trolls. Minotaurs are represented using the Nick Bibby Fimir sculpts, and Chaos Spawn are represented using an air and a water elemental.

-Angry Lawyer

Lorcryst
02-12-2007, 13:22
Subscribed.

Nice painting job, and those beasties take me back down Memory Lane ... one of my first RPG campaigns was a foray in the marshlands of the Old World, where we fought lots of Fimirs ...

lorelorn
03-12-2007, 11:37
I appreciate you're a fair way into this project, but I was struck by the thought that the Lizardman list would also be a good representation of these miniatures. Sarus as fimm warriors, kroxigor as the nick bibby sculps, and skinks for the shearls.

Of course, the chaos beasts list does give far more conversion opportunities, plus fit in with the original demon-raising abilities of the fimir. Are you planning to take daemons?

Angry Lawyer
26-12-2007, 21:53
I thought about Lizardmen, and was going to stick with that, but in the end Beasts won out. I've always pictured the Fimir as raiders, so the skirmishing nature really fit them down to the ground. Add to that the fact my army needs to be led by a woman-shaman-thing and there's no real choice in Lizardmen that can represent it and it clinched it.

I'll probably take Furies when needed, and might knock up some weird conversions and field them as daemons of a specific flavour.

I'm close to finishing, and have a super-camera to use now, so you'll actually be able to see it. I'll see if I can take some pics of my progress tomorrow.

-Angry Lawyer

Harry Zombini
05-01-2008, 20:41
Do you have the Fantasy Roleplay stats for these fellas? I have a sudden urge to throw a few against my players just as an apology for having fogotten them!!

It does seem odd that the Old World being so massive, all they do is go over the same old ground time and again.

What's Missing: (please add to this list)

Cathay
Kislev (full list)
The Moot (HA HA Ha!)
Fimir
Chaos Dwarfs & Hobgoblins

Gekiganger
05-01-2008, 20:54
Been a while since I've seen some of those! Still have a few of them lying around from hero quest myself.

Nice, unique idea, would be worth making just to see the look on your opponents face.

snyggejygge
06-01-2008, 00:53
Cool army!

Angry Lawyer
06-01-2008, 12:58
Do you have the Fantasy Roleplay stats for these fellas? I have a sudden urge to throw a few against my players just as an apology for having fogotten them!!

It does seem odd that the Old World being so massive, all they do is go over the same old ground time and again.

What's Missing: (please add to this list)

Cathay
Kislev (full list)
The Moot (HA HA Ha!)
Fimir
Chaos Dwarfs & Hobgoblins


Never played Warhammer Roleplay, but I have an old White Dwarf with a really old scenario involving the Fimir. It might have stats in it, I'll take a look.

I will one day take photos of my dudes, I've been really lacking in time recently.

-Angry Lawyer

Feefait
04-02-2008, 16:50
I was helping a friend move and we unearthed some old maruader/citadel stuff... it was cool and all but then we found the fimir. I was so jealous he had one original fimir! But, well, now my jealousy has been transplanted! lol good job. too bad my own inherent laziness keeps me from doing anything like this!

sainthale1988
04-02-2008, 22:31
hi, love this log (both as an education into the fimir, and as a beast of chaos player at heart), i was woundering if you would like 3 plastic fimir from the old heroquest set that i have. just pm a postal address and i'll send them to you free of charge. keep up the good work

Balthar
03-01-2009, 09:00
With the new Hordes of Chaos, you could also use Fimir as Chaos Trolls in a Troll army with the Troll King.
The models look great. Always nice to see something original instead of armies straight from the box.

Chris_Tzeentch
08-02-2009, 22:30
When are you going to get your Blood Moon Minis on here? Looking forward to seeing those - almost tempted to get some myself!

Alex Under
09-02-2009, 12:37
Fimir!!! Brilliant stuff! I think the BoC list is the best choice. As for the demonomaniac or whatever it's called, probably you could use the Carnifex kit? You could use the blade-like arms, and even use other bits and pieces like jaws and shell to convert one of the new pastic giants into yous shaggoth proxy. Good luck!

Angry Lawyer
10-02-2009, 20:07
I've yet to paint them - I'm still trying to remove the big metal bases from them (which is proving really, really difficult, so I'm likely to just blend it into the base). I've almost finished the 2000pts army (it all needs proper basing) and I'll take some proper pictures eventually.

Various family members did take photos of my last altercation against my brother's Orcs the other night, though:

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7665/fimir1hm3.jpg
The view of the army, as seen by my brother's general.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5358/fimir2cs3.jpg
An overhead look at the main battle lines.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6315/fimir3mw7.jpg
My giant Fimir/Shaggoth/Daemonomaniac thing, behing a friendly water elemental.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4150/fimir4ka7.jpg
My Fianna Fimm/Bestigor, after being hit by several million fanatics. To each side are my Dirach mages. In the front rank, my Mistmor general for when my Meargh isn't playing.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9985/fimir5fi7.jpg
My battle standard, with "that random guy who appears uninvited in your pictures" in front. Props to whomever can tell where I got the stencil for the banner from.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2008/fimir6ed4.jpg
Doing what they do best - fleeing like mad from a giant, while my big Fimir/Minotaurs take a full frontal charge from boarboys. They didn't last.

I did, however, win the battle.

-Angry Lawyer

Txan
01-04-2009, 02:18
Fimar..... Hmmmm

Astraeos
26-06-2011, 12:35
It's great seeing an army full of the classic HeroQuest Fimir! It's been a great Fimir weekend for me so far!
Yesterday I found out Storm of Magic was brining them back and today I've had the pleasure of seeing not one but TWO Fimir themed logs!

Gah! Now I want to make a Fimir army too! I've only just started building a Skaven army too! I might make some for Storm of Magic games though, that way I can have my two favourite Warhammer races in one army! Sounds awesome to me!