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dave is the best
02-03-2007, 18:07
This is for the modeling and painting.

Please post feedback here http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71761

These are the legions

THE FORCES OF THE EMPEROR
Imperial fist- dave is the best
Space wolves - weregerbil
Dark angles- evil Homer
Blood Angles- shaw3029
Salamaders- arch traitor horus
Raven guard- bodhitree

THE FORCES OF HORUS
Luna wolves- teh_siolder
Emperor's Children-meneptah
Thousand sons- asmodai_dark86
Alpha legion - rickie8473
Deathguard - Ornithorticus
Iron warriors - EmperorsChampion01

Still without takers we have

Word bearers
Night lords
World eaters (suprisingly)
Iron Hands
White scars
Ultramarines (rather unsuprisingly, although having said that they're getting quite popular)

All the people who are taking part please post your army list (400pts combat patrol) and a little something about yourself.

the first dead line is the 2nd of April

You have a balence of £50.
You must have atleast a character and/or a squad finished in this time.
please post what you brought.

Heres some helpful links.

http://belloflostsouls.blogspot.com/...l/logo%20sheet

http://s10.invisionfree.com/Pre_Heresy

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66449

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53072

http://www.pa-sy.com/hhccg/

http://gamesday.us.games-workshop.co...ls/s2_gold.jpg

thanks Dave

dave is the best
02-03-2007, 19:48
Hello, Im dave, Im 14years old and live in gloucestershire. I have been collecting warhammer for 4 years.

I am doing Imperial Fist's.

this is my army list.

Tactical squad
Vet sergeant
Power weapon
8 marines
Plasma gun
155pts

Tactical squad
Vet sergeant
Combi- flamer
8 marines
Plasma gun
145pts

Whirlwind
Pintle-mounted storm bolter
95pts

I am not using this list

rickie8437
02-03-2007, 19:51
Ok im Rick I live in Belfast been doing the hobby now on and off for about 17/18 years
I love 40k and use marines as you can see I have a wip going for my new army which is Angels of Redemption. Iím doing Alpha legion as I love the purple and silver colourís.

Hereís a pic of my tester im painting it now so will up date it soon


Ok list number one from the space marine codex

Captain 60
With storm shield and power sword 20
Iron halo 25
105

Troop

5 marines 75
Plasma gun 10
Infiltrate 15
100pts

5 marines 75
Plasma gun 10
Infiltrate 15
100

5 scouts
Sniper rifles
90

Total 395

List with codex chaos marines

Lieutenant 45
Power weapon 15
60

Troops

5 marines 70
Champ with power fist 28
Meltagun/ plasma gun 20
Infiltrate 15
133

5 marines 70
Champ with power fist 28
Meltagun/ plasma gun 20
Infiltrate 15
133

Total 326

Evilhomer
02-03-2007, 20:25
I'm Jim, I'm 21 from Blackpool, the norf, studying at university in the Midlands.
I've been collecting and painting since I were a nipper aged 8 - so thats 13 years or so now.
I won't be posting up an army just yet, because I'll be using the Dark Angels codex (which I've not got yet), and also because I'd like to keep a few surprises up my sleeve for those keeping up with this thread.

Ok this month's purchases:

1 Tactical Squad £18,

Stuff from BWBits - £15.60 inc P&P:
Bolter ammo pouches x2,
Bolt pistol ammo pouches x2,
Bolt pistol holsters,
Krak grenades x2,
MkIV bodies.

That leaves £16.40 left over to take forward to next month.

All marines in this army will be WUSIWYG - ammo, grenades, holstered pistols, everything will be shown. I addition to some of the bits I already have at uni, I ought to have a 10 man tactical squad done by the end of the month (sergeant will probably have power-sword and bolt pistol).

In addition to this, feel magnets will be used to make marine special weapons interchangable, I'll edit this shortly to show what I mean.

Ornithoticus
02-03-2007, 21:24
hi im cameron (16) from birmingham, currently doing a levels towards going to medschool in cardiff hopefully. ive been collecting since i was about 8, so thats half of my life :D. ive attached a copy of my list as a pdf if anyone wants a look. im not sure what the fluff of my force is going to be, probably end up being Garro, Temeter or some unnamed DG captain that turned.

athedrivein
02-03-2007, 23:35
hmmm im not to sure how to go about this.
does anyone have pics of the ultra's colour scheme and what a normal marine looked like?
thanks

Evilhomer
02-03-2007, 23:42
As I remember, they're pretty much identical to what you see today!
Of course, you'll need to make sure you use earlier versions of power armour at least! If I were you, I'd probably embrace the Greco-Latin roots of the Ultramarines, and liberally spread headcrests throughout the officers, along with those little loin strappy things :)

Ornithoticus
02-03-2007, 23:53
after a quick rummage through my SM bits i found this goldmine:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k206/Ornithoticus_2006/death%20guard/update1004.jpg
i'd completely forgotten i had these but they'll make a good start for my tactical squad.
anyway got a bolter marine near complete:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k206/Ornithoticus_2006/death%20guard/update1007.jpg
ill attach the modified backpack and bolter after painting.

and nearly finished the serg aswell:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k206/Ornithoticus_2006/death%20guard/update1006.jpg
likewise i'll attach the backpack after painting, need to order some 1mm drill bits before that though, cos i just broke my last one and my attempt at using a 1.5mm failed completely.
anyway thats all for tonight, good luck everyone

Arch-Traitor Horus
03-03-2007, 01:55
hey all im James(15) doing salamanders & maybe another army
heres my 400pt combat patrol list
1 chaplain (Res): Thunder hammer Jump Pack:135
5 space marines: plasma gun 85pts
5 space marines: Melta gun81pts
5 Assault marines: 2 Plasma Pistols 120

my first month spendings are as follows
Tactical Squad 18
Red scorpions upgrade 16
Chaplain7
50 pounds on the dot

dave is the best
03-03-2007, 08:36
after a quick rummage through my SM bits i found this goldmine:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k206/Ornithoticus_2006/death%20guard/update1004.jpg
i'd completely forgotten i had these but they'll make a good start for my tactical squad.
anyway got a bolter marine near complete:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k206/Ornithoticus_2006/death%20guard/update1007.jpg
ill attach the modified backpack and bolter after painting.

and nearly finished the serg aswell:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k206/Ornithoticus_2006/death%20guard/update1006.jpg
likewise i'll attach the backpack after painting, need to order some 1mm drill bits before that though, cos i just broke my last one and my attempt at using a 1.5mm failed completely.
anyway thats all for tonight, good luck everyone

You need to go on the Gw site and find out how much these coast.

Ok, going shoping now.

Im getting
1 command squad
red scorpian upgrade pack
Tatical squad

I know its £2 so next month i have to take 2 quid of!

Dave

Arch-Traitor Horus
03-03-2007, 08:57
1 Question STUDS! how are people going to go about making them GS, PVA etc

Ornithoticus
03-03-2007, 10:48
You need to go on the Gw site and find out how much these coast.
will do, it was just a bit late to do it last night:p

Cameron

Arch-Traitor Horus
03-03-2007, 11:08
woops me n my bad maths i only put down 41:D im also getting a pack of vet sarge's so i have 1 pound towards next month

Ornithoticus
03-03-2007, 11:25
my draft budget for this month is attached, couldn't find those spoecific bodies on the GW website so i found the closest thing and used the price from that. this list will no doubt be updated before the end of the month and the BW bits come in packs of twice the amount i need, although this doesn't really matter as, atm, im just using stuff ive already got at home. so atm this leaves me with £30.05 carried over to next month

Cam

teh_soldier
03-03-2007, 14:26
Hey, I'm Cameron, im 17, I live in Southampton and go to Peter Symonds College in Winchester. I've pretty much always played Marines.
I'm doing Lunar Wolves, headed up by Captian Loken.

Captain Loken 79 399
Power Sword
Bolt Pistol
Frags
Krak Grenades

Tatical Squad 85
5 Marines
Plasma Gun

Tatical Squad 85
5 Marines
Plasma Gun

Tatical Squad
5 Marines 75

Tatical Squad
5 Marines 75


Sorry its not something more interesting, I'm using these guys as practice for true-scale Marines.

Spending for this month;
Tatical Squad - £18
Devestator Squad - £20

The £12 will be spent at some point on bits for Loken.

dave is the best
03-03-2007, 15:48
I brought some stuff

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o79/davethegreat_2006/pre-heresy/taleofxgamers.jpg

I will use the command squad to make my Champion (comander).

More pics up later.

Dave

rickie8437
03-03-2007, 19:19
got my order in post today so all i have done is build, build, build (love next day dil)

so heres what i got done

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0652.jpg

my commander but still have some work to do to him
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0649.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0650.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0651.jpg

a tac squad


all need to get there studs put on, dont know yet how to do it was thinking gs or pva glue, will try on an old marine have then see whats best

all in all i have spent about 35 pounds so i why get more stuff with the last 15pounds

rick

shaw3029
03-03-2007, 19:28
Ok so I'm doing the Blood Angels.

I am already doing a Pre Heresy Imperial Fists army (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57063) to 1500 points but someone else has taken them. The Blood Angels were my first ever army so Its nice to be able to revisit them. I'm going to be taking the army to at the very least combat patrol size. We will have to wait and see just how far they get.

Combat Patrol 400 point list.

HQ.

Captain. 60pts
Power Weapon. 15pts
Bolt Pistol. 1pt
Auspex. 2pts

4 x Marines (Bolters) 60pts
Flamer. 6pts

Razorback. 70pts
Search light. 1pt

Troops.

4 x Scouts (Combat weopons). 65pts
Heavy Bolter. 5pts

Fast Attack.

5 x Assault marines. 110pts
1 x Plasma Pistol. 5pts


Total.

400 Points


I'm going for a fairly balanced list I didnt want to go all out and get a ton of troops to start with and I also wanted a tank. I have the image of them making a heroic last stand around it. Or charging foward to meet the target head on. The force It would seem is going to be pretty good at doing both of these.

Theres a fair few tactical options available with the scouts, assault marines and the fire base formed by the razorback and the command squad. Which also has some close combat punch with the commander and his power sword.

It also gives me alot of modelling oportunitys. The assualt marines and Scouts I have some interesting plans for. The commander I havn't a clue yet what I want him to look like. Perhaps a elaborate model or just a simple battlehardened veteran. The command squad and razorback I imagine will follow whatever I choose for the commander.


The Models


I have started making a single Marine. I think hes going to be the Command squad member armed with a flamer I may add some things to him at a later date. Hes looking a little bare and basic at the moment, he certainly needs a helmet on his belt once I get one.

Once I have the paints I need I will paint him up and possibly post a step by step guide with him as well.


http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m40/shaw3029/miscellaneous/bloodangeltestunpainted.jpg

Thanks.

Comments, criticism?


.

rickie8437
03-03-2007, 21:19
you have to be aware that the blood angles only had mrk 3 armour untill they got to terra were they got some suits of mrk5/6 but not much as they was only so much made on mars

rick

Weregerbil
03-03-2007, 21:24
hey im Dave 25 and get to revist my Space Wolves but with a twist. So see below for my test model.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u113/davidgilbert/PICT0234.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u113/davidgilbert/PICT0236.jpg

What do you all think?

rickie8437
03-03-2007, 21:29
i like the pose but its not space wolfy enough

its like a ultra smurf you need more wolf pelts and teeth and stuff

rick

Weregerbil
04-03-2007, 00:28
Cheers Rickie, like I said its just a test I can change it.

Something else I remembered, for a long time it was just the Empeor's Children who were alowed to wear the eagle on their armour.

rickie8437
04-03-2007, 00:43
yes i do remember something like that but i think thats what made the ec so diff, as they were the only legion to be alod to wear the aquila on there chest ( fulgrim prob runbed that in to his brothers)

rick

athedrivein
04-03-2007, 00:55
hey
next week im getting the normal d.a battleforce:D
I was wondering what legion they could become and what colour scheme ect.
Sorry I have no idea but thanks.

rickie8437
04-03-2007, 00:58
all the legions have been taken

but if you want to do your own per herasy army then word bearers would be a cool army to do with them

athedrivein
04-03-2007, 01:58
hmm perhaps:D
its a shame there taken up.
I spoke to the guy whos running this and im thinking of running another one at the same time except with like now day 40k. I didnt get a reply lol.

Arch-Traitor Horus
04-03-2007, 02:16
im thinking of a sisters of silence army with Guard, also what would be better way to make salamanders space marines plastics with red scorp bits or fantasy chaos warriors with the fur cloaks filled back n green stuffed over with scales, might end up doing both:) also the idea of us doing our armys again but current 40k would be nuts mabey next year:D

asmodai_dark86
04-03-2007, 02:24
Definately next year - I might be crazy, but 100 pounds+ going out a month on models, and having to paint them all just isnt going to happen to get them at a decent standard.

And sisters of silence? Well kudos if you can do it and do it well, but theres a salamanders army for you to build yet my friend

Arch-Traitor Horus
04-03-2007, 02:27
yup i find my self to be a pritty quick painter of marines if i did sisters it would be dark eldar bodys (the chick 1 with tits) legs and the head in a pig tail with plasticard mouth covers retro bolters & back back etc

or next year we swap the loyalists for the traitors

asmodai_dark86
04-03-2007, 02:33
Theres no traitors or loyalists yet - it'll all make sense in three months time.

Arch-Traitor Horus
04-03-2007, 02:48
also in the rule booklet thing it says 40 i thought it was 50 or should i rearrange what i'm buying

asmodai_dark86
04-03-2007, 03:35
Everyones working to 40, 30 and 30, so you'll have to shift yours but remember its GW pounds - you wont get more then 20 models in a combat patrol you realise so spending more then a 100... I dont see how youd do it (points wise)

Arch-Traitor Horus
04-03-2007, 03:53
k ill adjust to 40,30,30

this months shopping changed to
Tac squad 18
red scorps upgrade 16
leave me with 6 pound extra next month

Arch-Traitor Horus
04-03-2007, 04:46
i just realised ill have my combat patrol paid for in 2 months:D

also Weregerbil is that a imperial eagle torso i see?

amstelbier
04-03-2007, 11:21
Rightio - first month's purchasing - gonna buy em all on Thursday when I get paid :)

Iron Warriors Warsmith: £7
Iron Hands Box Set: £20
Red Scorpians Upgrade Set: £16
Total: £43

feck - I could just take £3 off next month?

remtard
04-03-2007, 11:41
hi im ben - harrogate - north yorkshire - 13 yrs old and do space wolves
i will have a 15 - 20 pounds a month
my list will be combat patrol
so ill start with

wolf priest
frost blade = 110

8 grey hunters
1 power weapon
1 melta gun = 164 = 274

5 scouts
bolt pistols and close combats
2 power weapons
1 plasma pistol = 110 = 384
1 melta gun

i dont no wot to do with the rest
ben

dave is the best
04-03-2007, 11:56
hi im ben - harrogate - north yorkshire - 13 yrs old and do space wolves
i will have a 15 - 20 pounds a month
my list will be combat patrol
so ill start with

wolf priest
frost blade = 110

8 grey hunters
1 power weapon
1 melta gun = 164 = 274

5 scouts
bolt pistols and close combats
2 power weapons
1 plasma pistol = 110 = 384
1 melta gun

i dont no wot to do with the rest
ben

Im afraid space wolves are taken


hmm perhaps
its a shame there taken up.
I spoke to the guy whos running this and im thinking of running another one at the same time except with like now day 40k. I didnt get a reply lol.

Sorry, I have been really busy.

Update heres my commander.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o79/davethegreat_2006/pre-heresy/taleofxgamers006.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o79/davethegreat_2006/pre-heresy/taleofxgamers004.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o79/davethegreat_2006/pre-heresy/taleofxgamers003.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o79/davethegreat_2006/pre-heresy/taleofxgamers001.jpg
Hope you like him Dave

rickie8437
04-03-2007, 12:00
just found these marines so going to use them as my 2 squad as there as old as the hereasy anyway

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0656.jpg

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0657.jpg

rick

dave is the best
04-03-2007, 12:02
So far this month i have spent £19

£18 on a comand squad and £1 on the backpack.

I have £21 left.

DAve

remtard
04-03-2007, 13:04
oh i wish space wolfs werent taken
oh well
ill have to find another

EmperorsChamp01
04-03-2007, 14:03
Im Dan. Im 18 years old and I curently live in Iwakuni Japan... And im unemployed... :(
Well I started working on my Commander (ill post pics in the morning.)
I had to Putty his Mark IV armor. Its not bad but not great but im happy with it.


Heres My list of my guys...

Captian
StormBolter
Auspex
Bionics
Frag Grenades
Purity Seals
Pts= 78

Troops

1st squad
5 Marines
Heavy Bolter
Flamer
Pts=91

2nd Squad
5 Marines
Sgt (Terminator Honors)
Power sword
Missle Launcher
Plasmagun
Pts=120

Scouts
7 Scouts
3 shotguns
3 Sniper rifles
1 Heavy Bolter
Pts=111

Total=400

I spent around 300 Yen on the putty and thats about 4 USD so that makes me at what..... 38 pounds right??? All the parts ive used where from my bitz box so I dont know if those count?

If I am mistaken please let me know.

EmperorsChamp...

dave is the best
04-03-2007, 15:04
Im
I spent around 300 Yen on the putty and thats about 4 USD so that makes me at what..... 38 pounds right??? All the parts ive used where from my bitz box so I dont know if those count?

If I am mistaken please let me know.

EmperorsChamp...


Thats right

asmodai_dark86
04-03-2007, 16:57
Dave could you add the rules pack to the first post of this thread - I'll see about PM all those involved this morning and getting the pack to them. It should clear things up a lot.

Basicaly EC, you'll have to take the prices of bits either from the GW online store (if there metal usually) or from battlewagonbits.com

Weregerbil
04-03-2007, 19:50
Arch-Traitor Horus it's not a imperial eagel breast plate, it's a winged skull and crossbone's breast plat. That and I remebered after making it.

doghouse
04-03-2007, 20:21
Armies are looking great so far guys!

I haven't got long so this is just a quick post to the ball rolling on my part.
I'm doing the dreaded Night Lords as my project.
I've decided to go for a late Great Crusade era for the army with the Legion in the process of replacing the old MkIII suits of plate armour with the updated MkIV. As they are on campaign I figured that I'd go for a suit that combined elements of MkIII and MkIV armour as the Techmarines attempt to incorporate the design into the legion.
These are early WIP, I'll remove the Red Scorpions and moldlines, etc, later.
I'll be cutting down the legs and using GS to make the Greaves/Sabatons.

First Up - The Captain

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/NightLordsCaptain.jpg

I'm going for a simple mass-produced feel to the armour and thought it'd make a change to have a very simple captain model.
I've used the Devastator Comms pack on this model so he can co-ordinate his forces and make him stand out a little. The broadsword will count as a close combat weapon rather than a power weapon and I'll be adding a Bolter later.

Group shot of the Astartes and Captain

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/NightLords4.jpg

For heavy weapon support I'm using the new plastic devastators (obviously minus the plasma and melta). I thought long and hard about converting RT era models but in the end the new plastics are just too cool. I love the new Missile launcher especially, the folded up servo arm is awesome and ideal for techmarine conversions.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/NightLords3.jpg

Rear of Missile launcher and Captain

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/Mutt2050/NightLordsCaptain2.jpg

I'll add the army lists asap. Not sure how the money thing works though for these guys but I only bought a Dev boxed set for these guys, the rest are bits box stuff.

asmodai_dark86
04-03-2007, 20:28
Those are really good dog house - might have to steel the idea for my elites.

As for money, read the rules pack. Basically you pay for everything you use, whether you get it from your bits box or not, so that everyones on a level playing field... that means you may have gone ever so slightly over..

Evilhomer
04-03-2007, 20:38
So you're continuing your true scale marines doghouse? :) Look forward to seeing what you come up with!
I'll also be using the 2nd edition bolters (maybe even rogue trader ones if I can find a few in my bits box). I'm debating using the rogue trader/2nd edition heavy weapons... but you are right... the current plastics are great...:S

asmodai_dark86
04-03-2007, 20:52
I've got around five so I've saving them for the right squad - ideally a veterans squad

Arch-Traitor Horus
04-03-2007, 21:33
Nice true scale doghouse they look a little funny from the back tho, so buy the looks of things everyone is making a start. i will get my marines either wednesday or thursday so be ready :D

teh_soldier
04-03-2007, 22:38
I'm going true-scale as well, tempted to follow Doghouse's idea of using the Chaos Warrior legs for a basis. I'll be using Khorne Bezerker heads and custom bodeis though. Though i would be removing the chainmail inbetween the legs.

EmperorsChamp01
04-03-2007, 22:43
Well like i said i would post pics in the morning well here they are.

front
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/DBDforever/Pre_Heresy%20Iron%20Warriors/PICT2066.jpg

Rear
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/DBDforever/Pre_Heresy%20Iron%20Warriors/PICT2067.jpg

Ok so i have to deduct the bits i used from my total

Ok so its .50 usd for the head
3.50 usd for the Stormbolter
6 usd for the legs
and 1usd for the chainsword

so thats another 5 pounds off my total. so i am at 33 right now.

tell me what you think about the guy.

Arch-Traitor Horus
05-03-2007, 07:07
EmperorsChamp01 how about trying guitar wire 4 the cables on chest

Destris
05-03-2007, 07:48
Looking good guys.

Doghouse, stunning as usual!
Steve

Arch-Traitor Horus
05-03-2007, 11:11
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0652.jpg
my commander but still have some work to do to him
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0649.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0650.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0651.jpg


Nice work there rick nice smurfs

EmperorsChamp01
05-03-2007, 11:18
You know what.... I didnt even realize that untill you said that.. Good thing all my friends play Guitars.. But thanks for the comments

remtard
05-03-2007, 15:25
hi people again im ben im 13 and do pre space pups but someones already doing them so i will take the ultamariens
my mk 3 ultramariens commander

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9487/dsc01946wo6.jpg

he was intended as a space wolf heres the price so far
marine legs/torso/helmet/SW power fist/sister of battle back pack = 4 pounds (or am i using sprue prices)
green stuff = 6 pounds = 10
other random parts to finish him off = 7 pounds =17

i can only use 20 a month cus i dont get enough pocket money
3 pounds carried on
also i hav a dred but its painted as space wolf so .... could i count it as ultramarines its forge world?
here it is

[img=http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6311/dsc01985kz2.th.jpg] (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01985kz2.jpg)

ben

Angel Robertson
05-03-2007, 15:56
Some one is doing ultras as well i believe?!

AR

dave is the best
05-03-2007, 16:06
Yep some ones doing Smurfs. Alpha legions are free.

Dave

Boss_Salvage
05-03-2007, 16:37
Wow those are impressive Doghouse. The mass produced look is wonderful, and the simple simple captain is fantastic. Doing special stuff for the Night Lords angle, or figure at this point in the timeline they aren't super freaky insane yet?

- Salvage

remtard
05-03-2007, 17:00
omg what is still free? so i can snatch it
@dave_is_best also can us folk on the preheresy forum do sumthing like this
i would like to do space wolves see and ..well i cant here LOL
ben

dave is the best
05-03-2007, 17:02
Remtard: fell free i will support it.

I think alpha legion are free but thats it.

DAve

rickie8437
05-03-2007, 17:28
rem the iron hands are allso free

thanks arch tratior will look good once there are painted blue and gold

rick

amstelbier
05-03-2007, 21:27
Iron Hands ARE NOT FREE.

Why does everyone overlook me?

asmodai_dark86
05-03-2007, 22:08
Haha thats partly my fault amstelbier I think because I might not have included you in the rules pack - dont worry, shout loud and long enough and you'll soon be noticed :D

rickie8437
05-03-2007, 23:01
ok iron hands are not free

night lords, raven uard and alpha legion are free

rick

sorry

amstelbier
05-03-2007, 23:09
Haha thats partly my fault amstelbier I think because I might not have included you in the rules pack - dont worry, shout loud and long enough and you'll soon be noticed :D

One of the many shady gods of chaos, not sure which one... but one of them... and he'll be veeeery sneaky mind is going to eat you.


better watch out because this one is a sneaky bugger of a god....

I believe his name is Jim. Chaos God of thingy.

Weregerbil
05-03-2007, 23:51
Asmodi, I've not recevied a rules pack either.

asmodai_dark86
06-03-2007, 01:10
Weregerbil - I've bowed out of the project after I got a very tempting offer, and the rules pack should be coming around, in some form or another, in the next few days after Daves sorted it

Evilhomer
06-03-2007, 01:31
One of the many shady gods of chaos, not sure which one... but one of them... and he'll be veeeery sneaky mind is going to eat you.


better watch out because this one is a sneaky bugger of a god....

I believe his name is Jim. Chaos God of thingy.

That would be me ;)

I ought to have photo's of some assembled Dark Angels this weekend at some point (assuming the parts arrive)

Arch-Traitor Horus
06-03-2007, 04:41
Some one is doing ultras as well i believe?!

AR

yeh rickie is

Arch-Traitor Horus
06-03-2007, 05:54
One of the many shady gods of chaos, not sure which one... but one of them... and he'll be veeeery sneaky mind is going to eat you.


better watch out because this one is a sneaky bugger of a god....

I believe his name is Jim. Chaos God of thingy.

LOL!

i laughed so hard spat my water at the comp:D
However i am easy amused :p

EmperorsChamp01
06-03-2007, 06:37
Are you guys sending out a rules pack... because if you are i have yet to get one. Just letting you know

Arch-Traitor Horus
06-03-2007, 07:21
i was an attachment in one of asmodai_dark86 posts

EmperorsChamp01
06-03-2007, 07:34
oh ok ill look
thanks Horus

asmodai_dark86
06-03-2007, 08:12
You werent an attachment in one of my posts arch-traitor, not that I remember anywho.

Yeh its in one but ditch it and do what you like as no one was keen on them anyway (from what Daves told me anywho)

Arch-Traitor Horus
06-03-2007, 08:23
aww i wanna be an attachment :( dam

i didn't mind it it didn't really effect salies anyways:D

asmodai_dark86
06-03-2007, 09:16
Aye only your terminators in that they had to take thunder hammers, but I should have extended that to characters. Oh well, hind sight, glory.

I might post the work in progress shot of the thousand sons commander I was doing before I stopped if no one minds?

remtard
06-03-2007, 09:17
ill take raven gaurd ?
hmm

rickie8437
06-03-2007, 09:44
so you want the raven guard then

Arch-Traitor Horus
06-03-2007, 09:47
Aye only your terminators in that they had to take thunder hammers, but I should have extended that to characters. Oh well, hind sight, glory.

I might post the work in progress shot of the thousand sons commander I was doing before I stopped if no one minds?

i wanted a squad with thunder hammers to accompany my vulkan I'm making wont be the best model never used GS so mostly weapon swaps

Arch-Traitor Horus
06-03-2007, 09:48
also guys keep this chit chat to the discussion forum link found on first page

rickie8437
06-03-2007, 10:02
as i said in the other thread you make you legion how you see the fluff so loads of meltas and thunder hammers

sounds cool im makeing my primarch from calgar

rick

rickie8437
06-03-2007, 10:03
as horus said chat on other thread

THIS IS FOR PICS OF MODELS AND WORK IN PROGRES

thanks rick

Arch-Traitor Horus
06-03-2007, 10:04
what about chat on models you are gonna make?

rickie8437
06-03-2007, 10:05
this i think was set up as a project log for the 18 guys to show of there work think that should be left for the other thread

SamaNagol
06-03-2007, 11:05
Can we clean up this thread and delete all the chatter? All comments on pictures would go in the other topic as well.

EmperorsChamp01
06-03-2007, 11:26
Well im not really up to date with any of the Iron warriors fluff or HH fluff for that matter. SO with people setting rules it made my life eaiser.

remtard
06-03-2007, 11:37
yes please raven gaurd
ben :)

rickie8437
07-03-2007, 09:00
ok guys heres my command squad and my primarch

which i will use as a master with all the kit

pic of all of them
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0666.jpg

pic of the big man him self

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0667.jpg

still lots of work on him to do, his arms and head are held together with bluetac, loads of green stuff to do on the sholder pads,
i love the sword taken me hours last night to get it right, its made from two power swords cut and stuck together and smouthed out should look like a hole sword when i paint it

rick

EmperorsChamp01
07-03-2007, 09:02
Looks really nice.... I cant wait untill i finally get mine built!

rickie8437
07-03-2007, 09:05
thanks does he lok heresy ?

EmperorsChamp01
07-03-2007, 09:13
Well maybe you could add some rivets somewhere on him. And maybe those tassle things that GW put on the Custodes Termies.? Just a thought.

remtard
07-03-2007, 09:20
hmm very nice do you have the normal command squad sprue because it has those ultra "U's" you could use ?

rickie8437
07-03-2007, 09:37
not yet need one for my angels so will just cut skull off and replys it with the ulta U

for the sholders was going to try to make the imperial eagle on one and the other a big U

and idears?

rick

remtard
07-03-2007, 09:48
hmm my brother made a good templete on how to do the U in green stuff
do you have any tyranic war vets?
if you do ...lube up the green stuff ...yes i said lube with vasiline and press it against the ultramine U ensignia that is all over the moDel then once you feel confident its in place take it off the TWV and put it were it needs to go
and when you lube the green stuff water wont do !!!!!!!!

EDIT + oh i dont think they used eagles as insignia only emporors children
it was a honour thing...

rickie8437
07-03-2007, 10:00
yes thats the marines couldnt have the aquila on there chest only the hole em legion and one or two marines that have been given it by the emp as a mark of houner

all primarchs could have it as there are like the emps right hand guys, there his sons so he wouldnt mind

rick

Arch-Traitor Horus
07-03-2007, 10:38
also what did u use for the shoulder pads?

rickie8437
07-03-2007, 10:40
the armour plats from a dread the ones that go on his legs

rick

remtard
07-03-2007, 12:39
hmm alright i trust you on this one ..
nice use of dred parts :)

amstelbier
07-03-2007, 13:29
Nixce model dude :)

im working on my Devy's now - need to do 4 heavy bolters for them, doing 2 right now, just waiting for Greenstuff to dry.

I'll let you into a little secret though :P One of them atm has a very old style heavy bolter made using new parts :) the shoulder mounted one... guess what it could be made out of??

rickie8437
07-03-2007, 14:50
get some pics done and show use

rick

meneptah
07-03-2007, 16:53
hi all...
im steve,im 21,livin in belper (near derby).ive been into the hobby for 14 years now. for the tale of legions im gonna do Emperors Children...
my list is as follows

hq-captain-60
+bolter-1
+power weapon-15
+term honours-15
total-91

troops-
7 tactical marines-90
+vet serg-15
+power fist-15
+flamer-6
+heavy bolter-5
total-146

fast attack-
8 assault marines (without jump packs)-120
+vet serg-15
+power sword-15
+2 flamers-12
total-162
399 total

there we have it i will have pics up of my wip stuff once i buy myself a digi camera

amstelbier
07-03-2007, 17:13
better do my list eh?

Techmarine
Power Weapon, Signum, Auspex, Bolter, Bionics, Melta Bombs
Total: 75pts

6 Marines
Plasma Gun, Heavy Bolter
Total: 105pts

5 Marines
Plasma Gunm Heavy Bolter
85pts

5 Devastators
4 Heavy Bolters
Total: 135pts

Total: 400pts

rickie8437
07-03-2007, 17:18
guess i will have to put a list on my self as im doing smurfs no point in using chaos

ok will do one later

JUST A REMINDER GUYS PUT WHAT TRAITS YOU ARE USING WITH YOUR ARMS HELPS PEOPLE SEE WHAT YOUR LEGION IS AND HOW YOUR ARE GOING TO SHOW THEM

thanks Rick

Kiro
07-03-2007, 17:19
Lookin good, guys, can't wait to see those Thousand Sons! :p

remtard
07-03-2007, 20:04
combat patrol list is here:
traits:advantages= see but dont be seen,blessed be the warriors
draw backs= flesh over steal,have faith in suspicion

HQ
captain = 60
twin lightning claws = 30 =90
jump-pack = 20 = 110

troops
7 scouts=94
6 snipers=35=129
missile launcher=10=139=249

fast attack
5assault mariens=70
1sergant=15=85
power weapon=10=95=344

land speeder 50 = 394

what do you think

remtard
07-03-2007, 22:06
this is my first pre scout so be jentel
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7508/dsc02009ry4.jpg

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6751/dsc02010nn3.jpg
enjoy
not painted
ben

EmperorsChamp01
08-03-2007, 06:28
Ok well my chapter traits are:
Cleanse and Purify
Honor your wargear

Die standing
Eye to Eye

This is good for the Iron warriors right???

rickie8437
08-03-2007, 08:25
that looks nice ma man

rick

Arch-Traitor Horus
08-03-2007, 08:36
scouts never seemed to fit in to a pre heresy army to me but they look cool[dice0]

rickie8437
08-03-2007, 09:23
have you seen the picture of the space woolf recon squad marines with las riflies, looks cool

but yeah they dont look per heresy but it still looks sweet

rick

Arch-Traitor Horus
08-03-2007, 09:25
also for traits im using standard salamanders as in C:sm

rickie8437
08-03-2007, 10:39
cool well as im the smurfs im just using the codex

unless you think its ok to use the traits but i think id just go for the codex

as im using houner guard as well

TheReaper
08-03-2007, 15:10
To bad that iron warriors is already taken, really wanted to an army of them

remtard
08-03-2007, 17:05
hmm i got some filling and workd to do im weapon swaping as i say still wip
so ill keep updating

Colonel Stagler
08-03-2007, 17:24
i did pre heresy iron warriors some time ago. Trick to them is make them like normal iron warriors cept their right shoulder is the colour of their company, in my case it was dark blue for the 7th grand company under Lord Smith Cassius. You should also make their armour slightly brighter because it wasnt warped by the influences of chaos. Their pre Heresy symbol was the iron skull but it didnt have the chaos star around it. They are one of the legions who hardly changed their appearance after the heresy.

Crazed_monkey
08-03-2007, 20:23
After seeing some of the great stuff you guys are coming up with and getting very jelous :( . I just thought I'd pop in a wish you all good luck with the project .

Also I'd be interested in joining the ranks if theres any legions left to pick from? I Don't think the first page has been updated recently to show who's doing what.

remtard
08-03-2007, 20:25
@ crazed monkey im doing raven gaurd
and whats wrong with welsh men im welsh

rickie8437
08-03-2007, 22:05
night lords are free

rick

Crazed_monkey
08-03-2007, 22:27
Night lords eh? hhmm unfortunetly mine would never be as good as doghouse's. I'll have a think about it* and if the night lords are still free tomorrow evening then I'll sign up.

remtard: I'm sure the Welsh are a fine breed, that is just an old quote I used when I joined warseer, just for you I think I'll change it ;) (Plus my sig is due a makeover)


*Think about what I could do to them / what kind of force I would make

shaw3029
08-03-2007, 23:17
Ok.

I've finished the first blood angel.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m40/shaw3029/miscellaneous/bloodangel.jpg

He hasnt turned out as well as I wanted. The pictures pretty bad but I like the face around the edges of the mask and the side part I've gone round it in some blue and purple just to decide which looks better for when I do the face on my chaplain. Its no where near as colourful and doesnt stand out as much in real life. I think thats just the camera flash.

However I dont think Im not going to continue with them. I want to get my own Pre Heresy Imperial Fists done. I've also got a night goblin army thats not even started and a speed freak army that needs the final touches. Plus I wouldnt want to take this army up to 1500 points and dont have any intention of going to warhammer world and a combat patrols just a seems a bit pointless.

So thats the reason why Im out, If anyone else can take them up then that would be great.

Good luck guys.

EmperorsChamp01
08-03-2007, 23:21
Well ill switch with him. I wanted to do a loyalst army anyways if its kool ill take him over

Galdur Hrafnsson
08-03-2007, 23:34
So, what's left in terms of legions? Is the link on the first page up to date?

doghouse
08-03-2007, 23:40
shaw3029: That guy is awesome mate, excellent job on the flesh! :)

shaw3029
08-03-2007, 23:55
Doghouse... Thanks. The flesh was based on your guide But I put a really dark brown wash over the base coat. It makes It look a bit more cartoony I think. But I like It like that.

The flash makes him look alot shinier and less defined, I might get another picture of him up In the morning for you all to see.

Im sorry I had to pull out, But I want to do my Imperial Fists. Ive got some cool Ideas planned which I was going to give to the blood angels But I just liked them to much I thought I would keep them for the Imperial Fists.

I hope whoever takes over them does them justice.

EmperorsChamp01
09-03-2007, 01:02
Ok well ill start working on converting my guy in to a BA commander. Maybe ill get him to be a Librarian. :D

rickie8437
09-03-2007, 08:18
well they dont have to be great, just the best you can do

let me no later today if your in the i will sign you up and let you know what you have to do

rick

guys pm me if you are changing legions so i can update the thread

thanks rick

rickie8437
09-03-2007, 14:14
heres some more photos of guilliman

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0668.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0669.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u317/rickie8437/100_0670.jpg

come on guys lets see your stuff

rick

doghouse
09-03-2007, 14:29
He's coming along really well mate. Excellent work on the GS icons as well. The head is especially nice.
I really like the massive sword, looks like he means business. :)

rickie8437
09-03-2007, 14:31
my mates a big UM fan and told me if i do him give him a massive sword, so i did

thanks the eagle taken two days to do, this is the most gs sculpting i have ever tried

rick

doghouse
09-03-2007, 14:36
It's good, keep it up! :)

amstelbier
09-03-2007, 15:20
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b190/noxo_cube/DSC00446.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b190/noxo_cube/DSC00445.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b190/noxo_cube/DSC00444.jpg

its work in progress - trying to get the Heavy Bolters to look like the older RT era ones.

rickie8437
09-03-2007, 15:23
OK guys here's my army list

HQ
Master - 75
iron halo - 25
master crafted power sword - 30
combat shield - 5
bolt pistol - 1
total - 121

TROOPS

tactical squad - 75
missile launcher - 10
flamer - 6
Sgt/power fist, terminator honors - 30
total - 121

HEAVEY SUPPORT
devastator squad - 75
four heavy bolters - 60
total - 120

Total 397

looks good

photos are a bit grainy

rick

remtard
09-03-2007, 16:36
every ones work is ace btw i cant wait to step up into the big dogs league

rickie8437
09-03-2007, 19:59
im no big dog

just do what you can, at the end of the day its your army so do your best and it will look cool, all 18 of use knows how are this is so it will be cool

rick

Right From Now On No Posting One This Thread Unless Its To Post Photos And Army Lists Of Your Work, As Its Getting Cluttered And Hard To Fallow

Use Other Thread For That

Thanks Rick

EmperorsChamp01
10-03-2007, 08:55
Rise my Brothers!!!

Well after switching my legions half way through the process of painting up IW i painted this guy up. here is my commander of the Blood angels Legion.

tell me what you think...

( i know it may not be as good as Shaw3029's but im fine with it.)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/DBDforever/IMGP0098.jpg

rickie8437
10-03-2007, 09:59
that loks cool really nice job there

dave is the best
10-03-2007, 15:45
Ok heres my Wip captian. I need a name for him.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o79/davethegreat_2006/pre-heresy/taleofxgamers009.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o79/davethegreat_2006/pre-heresy/taleofxgamers007.jpg

Yellow is alot harder than i thought it was going to be.;)

DAve

shaw3029
10-03-2007, 16:30
He looks Ok.

Go into the recessed areas with a slighly darker wash than that you would have originaly used. ONly a bit darker just so its a bit thicker and not as watered down.

But when you do it be ready to wipe and exess away with yor finger or a wet paint brush. Be careful and all will be good.

rickie8437
10-03-2007, 16:37
very nice dave yellow is hard but you have done a good job on them cant wait to see the rest of him lokoing good

rick

Sling
10-03-2007, 16:53
The 1st pic is a bit blurry. Anyway, the yellow is cool and, erm... yeah actually thats all by now.

t-tauri
12-03-2007, 18:49
I've removed a quantity of spam from this thread. Chat (Wii sports) should be taken to pm, lost batteries are not updates and using the display dice option in non Role Playing threads is simply spamming. Let's keep to the M,P&T theme please otherwise there'll be action taken against the spammers.

t-tauri

The Warseer Inquisition

Arch-Traitor Horus
13-03-2007, 07:42
I've removed a quantity of spam from this thread. Chat (Wii sports) should be taken to pm, lost batteries are not updates and using the display dice option in non Role Playing threads is simply spamming. Let's keep to the M,P&T theme please otherwise there'll be action taken against the spammers.

t-tauri

The Warseer Inquisition

First & third issues were me guys sorry (all ready got a lot of pms from t-tauri about other rule breaks:cries: )
EmperorsChamp01 nice job of the Blood angel also dave nice job with the WIP captain to bad you dropped out

EmperorsChamp01
15-03-2007, 08:19
Well since i havent heard from Ricky in a bit i decided to throw together an IF commander. I really like how he turned out. Hes still got a little work but not much hope you like.....

Front

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/DBDforever/IMGP0117.jpg

Left

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/DBDforever/IMGP0122.jpg

Right

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/DBDforever/IMGP0120.jpg

and heres another one of the front but it more down the barrel ..... I like this photo....

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/DBDforever/IMGP0121.jpg

Well let me know C&C welcome.

rickie8437
15-03-2007, 20:04
emp thats real nice but IF have been taken by captain fisto

are you not doing a nother legion

rick

thesails
16-03-2007, 00:55
Here's my IW list, hopefully has the siege feel to it.

400 Point Combat Patrol List
Traits:Advantages Scions Of Mars
Disadvantages :Eye To Eye, We Stand Alone

HQ
Techmarine(Scions of Mars) 65

Troops
7x Marines (Lascannon, Plasmagun, Vet w/Powerfist) 170

Heavy Support
Devastators x5 (2x Lascannons, 1x Missile Launchers) 165

400

And my expenses for March/April are....
March
Warsmith 7
IW box 15

18 carryover


April
IW box 15
Devastator 20
IW box 15

Weregerbil
16-03-2007, 01:06
Well I suppose I should post my List.

Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Power Sword
Bolter
Frag/krak

6x Grey Hunters
2x Power fists
Frag
Melta Gun

10x Blood Claws
2x Power Fists

Angel Robertson
16-03-2007, 16:33
I just realised i never actually posted pics of my alpha legion concept! I decided i wanted to have them prtty much heresy era so bits of chaos on there arms and legs and that i should use some hooded heads as the infiltrate and give a few of them some cloaks maybe! SO here is a HB marine!

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/AngelRobertson/Alpha%20legion/warseer023.jpg

I also never got a rule pack! SO i am a little lost on directiona t the min! Could someone help me out please!?

Cheers,

Ar

thesails
16-03-2007, 16:36
Nice Marine, I like it, I also didn't get a rules pack, but whoose complaining:p

rickie8437
16-03-2007, 17:56
Imperial Astartes Legions

When the Emperor first embarked creating the Imperium he created twenty Regiments of enhanced human warriors which would later become the Astarte Legions.
Although twenty Regiments were originally created only eighteen are known of. The remaining two have passed into history, their records, Primarch and name expunged from records for all time. No-one knows their fate and many feel that it is best left that way.

Foreword

The exact organisation of a Legion is an open debate. There are few solid examples of a Legion's example composition and many will argue till blue in the face on the subject but for the purposes of this forum we will assume that the follwoing is accurate based on what is known.
That is not to say that this is the one true official interpretation of the facts only that it is my interpretation based on my knowledge of the subject.
Ultimately this is not intended to be an Index Astartes article but a set of guidelines that will allow players to create credible themed armies using existing Codexes and models.


Organisation
As I have previously stated this is what I see as the most likely representation ideal of a Legion in active service. Based on the Seconding founding it is clear that the Legions varied in size from the likes of the smaller Space Wolves legion to the mighty Ultramarines legion.
Examples of historical documentation varies as you would expect but we can draw some conclusions based on the number of second founding Chapters that each Legion founded following the Heresy and taking into account their casualties at that time.
The following is intended as a model for Legion organisation, although it must be noted that some Legions operated with less than ten companies like the Death Guard who operated with only Seven companies. However, the Space Wolves although having Thirteen companies were reputed to be fewer in number so there is the possibility that company strength varied between Legions.



The Legion
Each Legion is lead by a Primarch commanding ten companies of Astartes, with most Legions concidering the rank of First Company Captain as second in command of the Legion.


Company
Numbering one to ten, each is led by a Captain and seconded by the First Sergeant. Each Company consists of one thousand Astartes divided into one hundred squads. Each Squad is led by a Sergeant who reports directly to the First Sergeant.



Creating the Legion

I'm using the following list that I created for representing the equipment available for the era. There are probably things people will disagree with but it's the simplest way of making the army just using Codex: Space Marines.
Traits can be used to define the characteristics of your chosen Legion in anyway you see fit.
It's best to avoid Chapter specific Codexes like Blood Angels as they weren't affected by the Thirst or Black Rage untill after Sanguinus's death at the hands of Horus. Again, this is a matter of personal choice and interpretation. It's your army at the end of the day.

The following vehicles/units are excluded from the Codex:
Librarians, Landraider Crusaders, Razorbacks and Predator Anihilators.

The following weapons are excluded from the Codex:
Plasma Cannons/Multi-meltas in Tactical, Devastator, Command, Reclusiam Command and Veteran squads.


The following Wargear is used as "counts as"

Oath of Moment: Counts as Purity Seals

Reaper Cannon: Counts as Assault Cannon when used in Terminator squads. Only one to be included in each squad.

Battle Standard: Counts as sacred standard.

Combi-bolter: Counts as Storm Bolter.

Jet Bikes: Counts as Bike Squadron.

Assault Squads 0-1 : Player discretion advised here though. It is said that the jump packs were few in number at the time of the Heresy/Great Crusade (see "The Raptor Cult" article published in WD) in the same way that Terminator squads are few in number today. Jump pack troops were supposed to only be used in specialised missions and it was seen to be a mark of honour to be in such a squad.


Other Options

The logic behind Multi-Meltas and the Salamanders.
Many argue that the Salamanders should have access to Mulit-Meltas as it is often seen as a defining characteristic of the Chapter.
Unfortunately this last statement is the flaw in the arguement. The reason contemporary Salamanders Chapter use the Mulit-Melta is because is is available today in it's man portable format. However, at the time of the Heresy it is suggested that it was only mounted on vehicles and Dreadnoughts.
During the creation of Codex Chaos a number of weapons were omitted from the Codex to create a distinct archaic feel to the army. This resulted in the Traitors replacing the Stormbolter with the Combi-bolter, the Assault Cannon with the Reaper Autocannon and the total lack of Plasma Cannon and Multi-Meltas.
However, having said that at the end of the day it is your army and if you want to include Multi-Melta and Plasma Cannon please do not let anyone tell you otherwise.

Chaplains
They were present up untill the Heresy itself when many of the Traitor Legions killed the Chaplains of their own Legion. Obviously Legions like the Word Bearers weren't party to this and kept their Chaplains as spiritual leaders.
Notable Chaplains of the Time include Charmosian of the Emperor's Children, Xavier of the Salamanders and Annellus of the Blood Angels.


Alternative Formations and Units.

It is most likely that the modern Chapter is based on the formation known as the Spear Tip.
The Spear Tip is a surgical strike formation at company level that is designed to strike at the heart of an enemy using drop pods and the fore-runner to the Thunder Hawk dropship known as a Stormbird.
The Storm Bird was conciderbly larger than a Thunder Hawk with a larger amount of weaponary mounted on the craft, capable of deploying troops onto a planet's surface.
In keeping with this theme Spear Tip formations should best represented using Drop Pod armies.

Recon Squads
In addition to the Scout squads that were made up of Neophytes it appears that Recon squads were employed by Legions made up of fully armoured members of the Astartes (Horus Heresy Artwork Books). Although there appears to be no other mention of them in any of the literature.
These are best represented using the Veterans Squad with the Infiltrate ability.

Why No Librarians?
According to the decree of the Council of Nikaea made when the Emperor bought Magnus to trial for his continued use of sorcery it was declared that the Legion Librariums would be discontinued. Those brothers who were psykers were returned to their companies.
Having said this the Thousand Sons refused to bow down to the order and continued to practice their arts. Therefore Thousand Son armies should be allowed to use them.

Why No Land Raider Crusaders/Razorbacks/Predator Annihilators?
All of these were either created or rediscovered after the Heresy. Crusaders were created by the Black Templars, Annihilators were created by the Space Wolves and the Razorback was resicovered as a lost STC design.

Why No Primarchs?
Whilst Primarchs can be represented with house rules these forums are about using existing codexes to create playable gaming legal armies. Therefore I have decided to leave them out of the suggested lists.


Land Speeders
The Land Speeder saw action in both the Legions and the Imperial army before and during the Heresy. The reason some think that it wasn't present is due to the confusion caused by the Chaos Codex. Although they had them at the time of the Hersy they do not have them now because they were difficult to maintain.

Armour Variants Guidelines.
Again this is down to the individual modelling their army and like all of the suggestions here is concidered a guideline.
The Legions were in the process of being equiped with the MkIV armour when the Heresy broke out but was quickly replaced with the MkV armour as the Tech marines, being inexperienced with the new armour design, were finding it difficult to replace or even reproduce MkIV parts. This led to the development of the MkV which exclusively used parts from the earlier marks of armour as opposed to the more exotic MkIV parts.
The MkV was a temporary stop gap for the MkVI which was being designed at roughly the same time as the MkV. The Loyalists had access to the MkVI armour first but as the Traitors overran the production facilities they too began to produce the Corvus suits.
The Aquila or Imperator MkVII didn't become available untill the final days of the Siege of Terra.

Armour variants availability were historically as follows:

MkI Thunder Pattern Armour - Wars of Unification (Early Pre-Heresy)

MkII Crusade Pattern Armour - Wars of Unification, Conquest of the Terran System (Early Pre-Heresy)

MkIII Iron Pattern Armour - The Great Crusade (Pre-Heresy)

MkIV Maximus Pattern Armour - The Great Crusade/Heresy (Late Pre-heresy/early Heresy)

MkV Heresy Pattern Armour - Horus Heresy (Heresy Era)

MkVI Corvus Pattern Armour - Horus Heresy (Mid Heresy)

MkVII Aquila/Imperator Pattern Armour - Siege of Terra (Late Heresy)

MkVIII Errant Pattern Armour - Post Heresy

thanks to the hard work of doghouse
use codex space marine and thanks

rick

doghouse
16-03-2007, 18:40
Just for the record I gave Dave permission to cut and paste this from my Pre-Heresy site. :)

EmperorsChamp01
17-03-2007, 05:47
ok well i finally got my models in. Here is my new list.

Captian
Thunder hammer
Plasma Pistol
Purity seals
PTS: 110

1st squad 5
Sgt termie honors
Power weapon
Heavy Bolter
Plasma Gun
PTS: 115

2nd Squad 5
Sgt Termie Honors
Powerfist
Missle
PTS:100

Scouts 5
1 sniper
1 Heavy Bolter
PTS: 75

And i think the traits im going to use is
No Mercy No Respite
and the drawback is going to be
Death Before Dishonor

what do you guys think???

EmperorsChamp01
17-03-2007, 23:12
Ok well I'm just about finished with my Sgt for 1st squad.

Here is The WIP of Veteran Sgt Nathaniel Augustus

Front

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/DBDforever/IMGP0129.jpg

Back

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/DBDforever/IMGP0130.jpg

Okay guys tell me what you think...

thesails
17-03-2007, 23:26
Nice I like him. The wash could probally be blended more in certain areas(knee) if you want some constructive criticism.

EmperorsChamp01
17-03-2007, 23:28
yea i got to give him like 3 more coats of Yellow. but thanks. I really like the Plume that i puttyed on him. Ill post pics here soon. I have to finish my Nun BB team

Angel Robertson
18-03-2007, 09:38
Looking good there! When is the first deadline and what has to be completed?/

AR

Arch-Traitor Horus
18-03-2007, 09:53
1st april (need more characters for post)

Angel Robertson
18-03-2007, 10:04
And what has to be completed?

AR

Arch-Traitor Horus
18-03-2007, 10:07
1 Force organization chart slot

Angel Robertson
18-03-2007, 10:11
Ah ok cool. Must get cracking!!!! I want to use the chaos dex for the rules to my ALpha legion so i want lots of infiltrating devs and also use the chaos cultists entry so i can include some DKOK is this going to be a problem? If so i will just re work the idea!

AR

rickie8437
18-03-2007, 11:42
use traits from codex space marine

Galdur Hrafnsson
18-03-2007, 18:33
I've lost my captain :( I've been looking for him, but can't complete him until I find him. On the plus side, I've got my mk IV stuff on order from forgeworld, I just need some night lords shoulder pads. Hopefully I'll find my captain, post pics in a day or two.

thesails
18-03-2007, 20:20
already told rickie about this, but I'm going to be late on the first entry, jsut because i'm on a trip. Just to let you guys know, so your not all "hey, where's that dudes entry?".. I promise it will be good too. Just to make up for the time:p

Angel Robertson
18-03-2007, 21:44
Well i have my first squad put together bar some shoulder pads and back packs and i plan to get a test mini done by end of the week!

AR

*EDIT* Here is the squad!

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/AngelRobertson/Alpha%20legion/warseer029.jpg

Ornithoticus
19-03-2007, 15:31
nice work, very fitting, my only critique is the Mk. 6 and Mk. 7 helmets are a bit unfluffy, but the minis look awesome anyway

Angel Robertson
19-03-2007, 15:40
Yeah plan go GS the Mk 7 and for some reason last night i got confused between the Mk6 and Mk 4! But as the alpha legion are the youngest in the heresy era they would have the most upto date equipment, tenuous at best but hey!

AR

tinfoil
19-03-2007, 16:48
Mk 6 and 7 for Alpha Legion work for me. I figure AL would either steal or copy loyalist armor designs in and effort to disguise/infiltrate their way behind the lines.

SamaNagol
21-03-2007, 05:22
AL were nowhere near Terra during the HH so wouldnt have gotten a sniff of the new armour variants. Sorry.

Arch-Traitor Horus
21-03-2007, 07:34
wasn't there a fluff that in the confusion it was shipped to both sides?

EmperorsChamp01
21-03-2007, 14:48
RESSURECTED!

here is my 1st squad wip

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/DBDforever/IMGP0134.jpg

charlie_c67
21-03-2007, 18:16
Mk seven head on the right though...

EmperorsChamp01
21-03-2007, 21:46
well im playing it as a mark 5 helmet. I just dont have any pins. But its all cool.

Arch-Traitor Horus
21-03-2007, 22:16
Or give it a grille and Mk 3

doghouse
23-03-2007, 00:06
Any updates?

rickie8437
23-03-2007, 16:45
looking good guys i will have my captian painted next week

rick

Angel Robertson
28-03-2007, 09:04
Ok i feel i am really going to struggle to even get my test model finished by the deadline as Rl has taken over. MY girlfriend came back from uni and has taken up my time plus i am doing 3 different jobs at the moment! I really want to get these up and running but i am struggling! I thought i should warn you all now!

AR

Arch-Traitor Horus
30-03-2007, 00:48
what mk is it with the \|/ shaped hoses? is it mkV?

rickie8437
02-04-2007, 15:40
guys im going to have to drop our sorry
ive broke three bones in my right hand so i cant paint for at lest 2 mouths

sorry

rick