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TheWarSmith
20-03-2007, 01:42
I'll get around to posting the unit this guy will ride with later, but this is a model that I just completed(well, maybe, probably not)

Points if you can pic out all the parts.

Comments/criticism very welcomed. I'm not sure if i should extend the horizontal pole of the banner or not.

The dragon head you see will stand a 95% chance to be the horse's head. I have to get my hands on a spinal column first to attach it to the horse, then GS around it.


http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/phillipdkuhn/Picture108-1.jpg


http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/phillipdkuhn/Picture107-1.jpg


horse's head in this picture not attached.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/phillipdkuhn/Picture109.jpg


http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/phillipdkuhn/Picture110.jpg




Comments/suggestions/criticism welcome. Please keep the camera criticism to a min though.

Braad
20-03-2007, 10:21
I've got the feeling the dragons head will be a bit to big...

considering the rest, nice conversion though!

hertz
20-03-2007, 11:09
Bits:
a lot from the new empire general, the choppa from the orc regiment box (the spare), the shield are a old chaos warrior one, banner and ogre head on banner are ogre bits, as is the horses head/dragon skeleton. The shield arm are a Chaos mutation bit. The head on the BSB himself are a skaven one, the "new" plaguemonks? oh, and thats a orcy spiku bit on his shoulder, dare I claim points now?

he looks special, I really like what one can do when compining the different plastic sets!
I donīt know how you will paint it though, or how the rest of the army looks, so I canīt say if it fit or not, and perhaps the banner should be in his hand?
but as it is now, it looks great.

TheWarSmith
20-03-2007, 12:23
"The knights are also noted for carrying ornate back banners decorated with the symbols of their master, be that the flame chalice, the unblinking eyeor the coiled serpent"

The unit is based off of a description of Kaldour's knights in Liber Chaotica Tzeentch. I think he'll definitely fit in with the others, that wasn't really the concern.

As for the dragon head, it's big i know. Any other suggestions for special mutated horse heads?

Hertz, you get almost all the points, but i will have to dock you for saying it's an ogre head on the banner, when in fact it's a giant head.

Hawkmoon
20-03-2007, 12:31
I like the idea of using the Empire horse, and attaching the standard to his back but as for the rider itself, I feel it's a bit tacked together. No offence.
The puffy empire shirt, with the ragged cowled skaven head, the mutated army from the csms and the ork choppa just clash too much.

My suggestion would be to loose the skaven head and the choppa and go with a blend of empire and chaos. Maybe even loose the shield and bulk up the mutated arm and say it 'count as' a shield that way you aren't covering it up.

Oh and where did you get the dragon head from? Someone said it was from an ogre sprue but I can't find it.

TheWarSmith
20-03-2007, 14:00
I rather like the skaven head, but the right arm+weapon, you might be right. I was really stretching for ideas on that one, and I agree that the puffy shirt is a bit off. I might simply put the shield on the back of his horse and not have him hold it, or I could just make his right arm his shield arm and have the chaos mutation be his weapon.

The dragon head is from the giant sprue, not ogre.

It's simply the top half of the head from the club(clip the handle off) and the bottom half is that part that is supposed to go around his head/neck area(ala the old metal giant)

BattleofLund
21-03-2007, 03:37
Ornate Empire-stuff: lovely. Freaky mutations: appropriate, or even 'not enough'. The Skaven head: less than impressive, but we all have quirky favorite bits - plastic bits I mean.
I'm a mix-kits-and-generations man myself, so I like that aspect of your guy, but shouldn't a BSB have, well, slightly less shield?

TheWarSmith
21-03-2007, 03:47
The shield will be there for 2 reasons.

1)It looks cooler?

2)He'll probably be a standard bearer more often than a BSB.

I agree with the comments on the right arm, but i just can't find appropriate sized arms for this model, as all i have are ogre/giant/orc/bretonnian bits.

Something about me likes the skaven head. Gives him a different chaotic look to me. But as you say, that's just me.

Still debating if i want to add blades or something to the crossbar.

Thanks for all your comments/suggestions.

speedygogo
21-03-2007, 08:07
I think that it is a good start to a conversion. It is kinda hard to be too specific without the mount's head on but so far I like what you have done.

Stouty
21-03-2007, 21:12
Really like this, suitably bizzare and the fact that it doesn't quite all add up only makes it more Tzeentchy in my eyes.

I would however do/sugguest/change (:D) a couple things:
-When you paint the giant, paint it so that it looks alive still, possibly with a bright colour for the flesh (yellow?)

-How would some freakish centaury type look for the mount. Diminutive, just with head and upper body (no arms) but it might look really rather disturbing.

-Not overly keen on the shield, it just seems to be stuck there. Anything to make it seem more like part of the model instead of a bolt on would be cool.

Angry Lawyer
21-03-2007, 23:21
You could green-stuff the shield so it's growing out of his arm, if you wanted to make it really organic.

Looks good :D

-Angry Lawyer

Edits: For extra freaky-points, you could put the giant head on the front of the horse, and the dragon skull on the banner.

TheWarSmith
22-03-2007, 01:00
The shield looked bad because it WAS tacked on. I didn't want to glue/pin it on, so i just had a small GS piece holding it to the arm just for the concept. I'll work on that.

The right arm, which will become the shield arm, is still up for grabs. Not sure what to do with it.

Here are some pics regarding the banner top and steed head.

Dragon pole.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/phillipdkuhn/Picture119.jpg

From the Left
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/phillipdkuhn/Picture114.jpg

From the Right
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/phillipdkuhn/Picture115.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/phillipdkuhn/Picture119.jpg

TheWarSmith
22-03-2007, 01:01
Now closeups of the steed head. I really like this.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/phillipdkuhn/Picture118.jpg

From the left
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/phillipdkuhn/Picture116.jpg

From the right.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/phillipdkuhn/Picture117.jpg

Angry Lawyer
22-03-2007, 01:08
I love the steed head :D

The banner top works, but might feel a little unbalanced - try putting it backwards a bit, or hanging it flat against the actual banner.

For increased Tzeench gribbliness, GS a load of tentacles coming out of the steed's mouth :D

-Angry Lawyer

BattleofLund
22-03-2007, 01:36
Giant's head as Chaos Steed head? Excellent idea, I must say. Tentacle tongue sounds gross. And by that I mean good.

I still like the mix of parts, including the Orc blade. Maybe some runes sculpted on it/carved into it? Or painted on.

The skaven head kinda grows on me. With some horns or antlers it would look even more chaotic.

It's not that I don't like the shield as such; it just seems a lot of gear for the poor thing to hold on to, and fight and cast magic at the same time;) !

hertz
24-03-2007, 20:02
Hmmm.... I dont know, I would have preffered the other head... it looks too wierd now!

Stouty
24-03-2007, 20:57
That looks so wierd it's great; I've always wanted to do a bizzare and scary tzeentch army :D

Clean up the greenstuff on the cheek and you will have a very unqiue model (if nothing else ;))

Nineswords
24-03-2007, 21:00
I kind of dig this conversion - its totally weird!

BlazeXI
24-03-2007, 23:07
Warsmith, have you considered the classic Tzeench Flamers as head for the steed?

Angry Lawyer
24-03-2007, 23:08
Chaos should be weird. I'm so tempted to start a full Chaos army just for the excuse to make it into some crazed mushroom-trip of a conversionathon.

-Angry Lawyer

Angry Lawyer
24-03-2007, 23:10
Warsmith, have you considered the classic Tzeench Flamers as head for the steed?

To be honest, I think that'd look better as the champion's head. It'd be too small for the steed. Unless it's your intention to do a pinhead horse.

-Angry Lawyer

Hywel
25-03-2007, 02:44
That's just too weird to really comprehend. I love it.

TheWarSmith
26-03-2007, 04:08
wow, amazing how many more responses you get when you're in the hospital for the weekend and can't see the thread(just got home, i'll be fine).

I REALLY dislike the old flamers. Like, REALLY dislike. This project was one that I really wanted to do to see "how cool could i make something w/ no advanced planning".

It was pretty much the same with the giant. Take what I have and go.

I will say that I'm pretty disappointed in the empire general kit. A couple good bits(I'm sure i'll use the banner somewhere else), but he was really just used as a frame, and his horse is cool.

I'll most likely be doing a similar conversion using the orc general box, but I should be able to make a wargor/foerender as well as a tzeentch knight.

Thanks for all the replies. I hope to start painting him tomorrow.

Warwolt the skaven
26-03-2007, 07:27
Iīd suggest you smooth out the GS some and add more details. Right now it looks very very WIP :]

Marcel
10-04-2007, 21:41
i would use the old school tzeentch stuff. the bandaged rat head looks to nurgle-esque, and the the giant/ horse is a tad silly to be honest. nothing really screams "Tzeentch"

Angry Lawyer
10-04-2007, 22:19
Bah, wacky mishappen bodies is what Tzeench is all about!

Just paint it colourfully for extra measure.

-Angry Lawyer

Wintersdark
11-04-2007, 15:11
~laughs~ I love the giant's head on the steed; that's taken the bizzareness factor so far it will definately get attention. It's freaky, I love it!

To me, it absolutely screams Tzeentch. I know traditionally Tzeentch stuff has leaned to the bird-esque; but it's more appropriately just heavily mutated, and not necessarily in any particular direction. You look at that horse, and think... what happened there? Was that once a man? A giant? A horse? And you just don't know.

It's very cool, and unique. 10/10 for me :)

Vattendroppe
12-04-2007, 08:41
Holy hell, that's an ugly horse!

Don't get me wrong, the modelling is superb and well done, but it's darn ugly!

TheWarSmith
12-04-2007, 14:13
I've started painting it, and I hope to get it near finished this weekend and put pics up.

Bortus
16-06-2007, 19:35
Please..........post those pics r-e-a-l soon cuz me l-o-v-e-s conversions!!!