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Necrohexel
07-04-2005, 02:39
i was wonderin does any1 have any idea if cathay/nipon will be release in 6th edition? or if they are coming only in 7th or so..
Any rumours would be highly apreciated :p

taer
07-04-2005, 02:52
Ummm....
Well, the official line is that there will never be a nippon or Cathay army release. Something about floorspace or whatnot. If they ever get around to making some Cathay/nippon crap (which is not likely to say the least) I'm almost going to assure you that they will be a ally contingent in much the same fashion as the Kislevites. But since that isn't happening anyway, it doesn't matter ;)

Necrohexel
07-04-2005, 02:58
oh bummer :( i was really hopin they got released..its my favourite fluff in the warhammer world...oh well :( perhaps in 15th edition lol

taer
07-04-2005, 03:04
Don't feel too bad, I really want A Nippon army, and I've just about figured how to make them with a minimum of conversion work out of Tau and other army bits. The rules set I use is Dogs of war.

Oh, and if your local gaming group isn't an official GW store, they probably don't give a rat's ass if you use strictly GW models as long as it is easy to tell what your units are and they are from a relatively similar scale. There used to be a game called Clan Wars, which was a samurai war game. The minis shouldn't be that hard to find on e-bay.

risK
07-04-2005, 08:10
6th ED? For sure not. 7th highly unbelievable.
The earliest appearance as an army would be 8th Ed and still doubtful, so don't hold your breath...

therisnosaurus
07-04-2005, 08:17
see here:
http://s3.invisionfree.com/Cathay_Project_Main/

and mail me at thereisnosaurus@gmail.com or Cathayhub@gmail.com

even if GW doesn't bring this out, it's as good as you're going to get in the orient :)

Delicious Soy
07-04-2005, 08:51
Basically WFB is for medieval European warfare. Plus it would probably create some sort of knight fanboi vs samurai fanboi thing. Current situation suit me just fine, I'm a knight fanboi. :p

Jedi152
07-04-2005, 09:18
I think WFB needs places that are shrouded in mystery. I think there are some places they shouldn't go.

Plus if the ever do, all the japanese fanboys will assault GW with "OMG!!11!! TEH SAMURAI ALWAYZ USED WASHIKAZIZAKITU MEGA-BLADES NOT 'great weapons' LOL STFU n00bZ!11!!!11!!1eleven11!!11!!!SAMURAI R TEH RO><><ORZ!!1!!111!!"

I don't think these Nippon fans really want what they are asking for. They don't want a fantasy nippon list - they want a real life feudal japan list.

Once again i point these people to Warhammer Ancient Battles.

Festering Chantor
07-04-2005, 09:39
Think there was a RoR unit of cathayan warrior monks... at least they're mentioned on the UK site I think... Would be nice if you could field a RoR/Character, Nippon ninja/assasin thing... just for fun... even though that it would probably be a dressed up DE... I just pray they don't make any of those monkey-warriors... that would be really pathetic...

Rabid Bunny 666
07-04-2005, 10:05
don't think so, but we're working on it :D

therisnosaurus
07-04-2005, 10:07
indeed, it has been difficult to create a non historical yet still interesting and deep fluffset and army list. but I think we've done a good job and though we're still gonna get the odd fethtard who'll come along and flame us for not calling samurai samurai or ninjas ninjas or rabidbaloonmonkeys rabidbalooonmonkeys, so far all responses we've had have been relatively positive

Stouty
07-04-2005, 12:12
I'm ME!!! (Sory had to get that out)

Games-workshops management of floor space is poor to say the least. Every shop should sell the new releases in store and depending on there popularity continue or cease to sell them. The LOTR, by now it should be moved into the specialist games section as shouldthe unsuccessful 40k armies (in my store that's Tau, No-one has ever bought anything from that range in the past 3 months really).
I dont see why they couldnt releasemore armies as long as they only sold them online after the intial release but then i guess profits would be down.
But that's why they're called the evil empire...

Rabid Bunny 666
07-04-2005, 12:28
indeed, it has been difficult to create a non historical yet still interesting and deep fluffset and army list. but I think we've done a good job and though we're still gonna get the odd fethtard who'll come along and flame us for not calling samurai samurai or ninjas ninjas or rabidbaloonmonkeys rabidbalooonmonkeys, so far all responses we've had have been relatively positive


rabidbaloonmonkeys........

why was i not informed :mad:

rkunisch
07-04-2005, 12:56
Think there was a RoR unit of cathayan warrior monks... at least they're mentioned on the UK site I think... Would be nice if you could field a RoR/Character, Nippon ninja/assasin thing... just for fun... even though that it would probably be a dressed up DE... I just pray they don't make any of those monkey-warriors... that would be really pathetic...
They are mentioned in one of the army books as a RoR unit and there is a reference in the Ogre Kingdoms army book, but there were never actual rules and/or minis. :(

Have fun,

Rolf.

malika
07-04-2005, 14:31
I think WFB needs places that are shrouded in mystery. I think there are some places they shouldn't go.

Plus if the ever do, all the japanese fanboys will assault GW with "OMG!!11!! TEH SAMURAI ALWAYZ USED WASHIKAZIZAKITU MEGA-BLADES NOT 'great weapons' LOL STFU n00bZ!11!!!11!!1eleven11!!11!!!SAMURAI R TEH RO><><ORZ!!1!!111!!"

I don't think these Nippon fans really want what they are asking for. They don't want a fantasy nippon list - they want a real life feudal japan list.

Once again i point these people to Warhammer Ancient Battles.

That was something we tried to explain to a few members of our project, we only use the ancient china and japan stuff as inspiration sources, our stuff will not be a real life reconstruction...but they are having a hard time understanding :rolleyes:

Jedi152
07-04-2005, 14:48
That was something we tried to explain to a few members of our project, we only use the ancient china and japan stuff as inspiration sources, our stuff will not be a real life reconstruction...but they are having a hard time understanding :rolleyes:

indeed, it has been difficult to create a non historical yet still interesting and deep fluffset and army list.

Good to hear it - you should be praised for your efforts.

Stouty
07-04-2005, 15:07
That was something we tried to explain to a few members of our project, we only use the ancient china and japan stuff as inspiration sources, our stuff will not be a real life reconstruction...but they are having a hard time understanding :rolleyes:

I think someones refering to me :rolleyes:

(volley-crossbows rock!) ;)

shutupSHUTUP!!!
07-04-2005, 18:58
Am I the only one who feel a Cathay/Nippon would be a bad idea?

My friends are all anime or omgitsjapanese!!! obsessed, Warhammer is like an escape from all that crap for me. Seriously, I'd be quite disappointed if an army of samurais, ninjas and super monks and stuff was released. I'm sooo pleased currently at the lack of samurais, in fact I even got a friend to star playing by telling him there was "no japanese crap!". :D

Necrohexel
07-04-2005, 19:08
well one things for shure...it would sell really well. 7 in 10 people i know would buy them for shure.(warhammer people that is ^.^)

taer
07-04-2005, 21:02
Well, since there ain't no way they are going to make it, that just leaves people to do it themselves, and since that happens all the time (I mean seriously, I must have fought like infinite samurai armies at the last GT I went to!) I don't think it'll cramp the established imagry at all. I just want to do it because of all the really fun modeling possibilities, and if ever the GT's get back on track, It'll be a damn good army to vie for player's choice with.

Festering Chantor
07-04-2005, 21:04
Ever seen anyone fielding a monkey-thing?

BullBuchanan
07-04-2005, 21:05
I'm ME!!! (Sory had to get that out)

Games-workshops management of floor space is poor to say the least. Every shop should sell the new releases in store and depending on there popularity continue or cease to sell them. The LOTR, by now it should be moved into the specialist games section as shouldthe unsuccessful 40k armies (in my store that's Tau, No-one has ever bought anything from that range in the past 3 months really).
I dont see why they couldnt releasemore armies as long as they only sold them online after the intial release but then i guess profits would be down.
But that's why they're called the evil empire...

Funny you say that....LOTR sells more than Warhammer Fantasy, and Warhammer 40k combined. Hard to believe, but true.

malika
07-04-2005, 21:25
I think someones refering to me :rolleyes:

(volley-crossbows rock!) ;)

Who are you then?

Delicious Soy
08-04-2005, 04:09
The correct phrase is:

And you are? :p

malika
08-04-2005, 08:55
Dont be a smart ass :p

Delicious Soy
08-04-2005, 14:12
Unfortunately my smarts can no longer be contained in my head alone, and have therefore spread throughout my body, ass included. :p

malika
08-04-2005, 15:36
Are you also a member of the Cathay Project?

Cacodemon
08-04-2005, 22:39
Funny you say that....LOTR sells more than Warhammer Fantasy, and Warhammer 40k combined. Hard to believe, but true.

Do you have any figures or evidence that could back up your statement, or is it just something you would LIKE to be true.

BullBuchanan
08-04-2005, 22:40
I was told from a GW employee. Maybe wrong, but I think I'lltake his word over anybody else's untill i see proof otherwise.

Its off topic anyway.

Cacodemon
08-04-2005, 22:54
Cathay -> new army -> needs shelfspace -> no shelfspace -> no new armies -> no Cathay

Shelfspace would be gained by ditching LotR for example, but I guess they won't be doing that anytime soon (pity IMO).

Festering Chantor
08-04-2005, 23:06
Expencive licens+no profit= No more LOTR... well, who cares as long as we get more WHFB and 40k...

BullBuchanan
08-04-2005, 23:10
Cathay -> new army -> needs shelfspace -> no shelfspace -> no new armies -> no Cathay

Shelfspace would be gained by ditching LotR for example, but I guess they won't be doing that anytime soon (pity IMO).

well my issue with that is that theres alot of people who spent alot of money on lotr, and for them to just ditch it would be an injustice to the people that really like the game. I don't happen to be one of them, but I don't see shelfspace as a legitimate issue as to why they wont release a cathay army. Many stores are overstocked on low selling items as it is, and could simply clear out a bit of the excess to make room. I don't know the layout in your store but in my local gw, lotr only takes up about as much space as 2 armies of fantasy would. To drop an entire game just so you can add an army to fantasy and 40k(or two to fantasy) doesnt really seem like a good business move IMO. There are alot more people that play lotr, than would play as cathay in WHFB.

Cacodemon
08-04-2005, 23:39
well my issue with that is that theres alot of people who spent alot of money on lotr, and for them to just ditch it would be an injustice to the people that really like the game.

I understand and agree that it would be unjust (like that matters to GW anyway), but is just a viewpoint and example



I don't happen to be one of them, but I don't see shelfspace as a legitimate issue as to why they wont release a cathay army. Many stores are overstocked on low selling items as it is, and could simply clear out a bit of the excess to make room. I don't know the layout in your store but in my local gw, lotr only takes up about as much space as 2 armies of fantasy would.

I seem to remember that GW actually did use the 'shelfspace' argument when new armies were discussed... and then came the Ogre Kingdoms. :p



To drop an entire game just so you can add an army to fantasy and 40k(or two to fantasy) doesnt really seem like a good business move IMO. There are alot more people that play lotr, than would play as cathay in WHFB.

It's plain to see that LotR doesn't have a rosy vision of future ahead as there's no films coming out to boost the sales. Many people here in the forums would love nothing more than to see LotR moved to the backburner, and It's design and production resources dedicated to the two other main games.

Specialist Games were moved to 'order only' to save up shelfspace, and to me they've become unplayable because I just don't have the chance to get any new models.

5upr3m3 h4xx0rz
08-04-2005, 23:46
LotR only sold more than whfb and wh40k combined in april from what ive heard, and thats the first time that LotR sold more.

Stouty
09-04-2005, 00:48
Are you also a member of the Cathay Project?

Yes.


Specialist Games were moved to 'order only' to save up shelfspace, and to me they've become unplayable because I just don't have the chance to get any new models.


Thats not true because they do get new models, and a lot of people still play them, it's only a problem if you find mail ordering a massive dificulty ;)
LOTR should be kept in stores, but armies that don't sell well should be taken of shelves. Most of the LOTR profits come from people who can't order any models :rolleyes:

Cacodemon
09-04-2005, 01:34
Thats not true because they do get new models, and a lot of people still play them, it's only a problem if you find mail ordering a massive dificulty ;)


I meant that I cannot just go to a store and pick up some models, so I can't play those games. And yes, no mail ordering possible where I live.

BullBuchanan
09-04-2005, 02:20
LotR only sold more than whfb and wh40k combined in april from what ive heard, and thats the first time that LotR sold more.

ok, maybe thats what he meant. I'm not entirely sure.

BullBuchanan
09-04-2005, 02:26
Specialist Games were moved to 'order only' to save up shelfspace, and to me they've become unplayable because I just don't have the chance to get any new models.

I agree, and its a damn shame. GW has had a ton of great games that they throw away because their warhammer market complains that they arn't getting enough attention. Now warhammer is my favorite of the GW games, but I also really enjoyed the LOTR range, I was greatly intrigued by Inquisitor, but it wasn't supported long enough for me to get into it, and Warhammer fantasy Role play also is a great idea, but GW refuses to officially support it.

twisted_mentat
09-04-2005, 04:02
There's a Differances between fanboyness, which generaly is over opinonated and under informed, and people who has real knowlage about the subject.

Fanboy - OMG Samurai should have all these awsome powers because in the Jubei movies he could do this....

Knowlageable - samurai should be able to fight both from horseback and on foot and be able to be armed with both hand weapons and Bows.

Dispite how much i'd love a NIppon army, i doubt it would ever happen....

therisnosaurus
09-04-2005, 05:43
actually, it's precisely the opposite- the knowledgeable people are the most annoying to deal with. because they always want a DHT (direct historical translation), so if you have samurai without bows, that's HERESY and so on and so forth. a lot of people forget that warhammer is it's own fantasy world and despite influences from ours, they remain just that, influences

taer
09-04-2005, 07:16
Man, I like some of the LOTR sculpts, especially the monsters. Damn shame I ain't gonna buy any unless they relax their policy and let me play 'em in fantasy (which, thanks to New Line,will never happen).

And just to keep this on topic, Minis tirith guys with a headswap and a small amount of putty work would make decent samurai for little effort.

And I want trolls.

BullBuchanan
09-04-2005, 07:36
Man, I like some of the LOTR sculpts, especially the monsters. Damn shame I ain't gonna buy any unless they relax their policy and let me play 'em in fantasy (which, thanks to New Line,will never happen).

And just to keep this on topic, Minis tirith guys with a headswap and a small amount of putty work would make decent samurai for little effort.

And I want trolls.

tell me about it. The LOTR elves heroes are absolutely amazing. Elladan and Elrohir are some of my favorite mini's. They do Run a little large it comparison to warhammer mini's though, or maybe it just appears that way.

taer
09-04-2005, 07:39
Same height generally, different width. Makes the LOTR elves appear taller.

Festering Chantor
09-04-2005, 12:07
Perhaps they could kick the LOTR out of the Games Workshop stores (face it, they don't belong there), they could still sell them in Partnership stores or something... The only people who visit GW stores are people who are really into the hobby, and better situated Partnership stores, who sell a wide range of different stuff, would have a better chance of reaching out to those wacky Lord of the Rings fans...
Warhammer fans get shelf space, LOTR fans get to keep their game... It's a win-win situation...

Stouty
09-04-2005, 18:20
actually, it's precisely the opposite- the knowledgeable people are the most annoying to deal with. because they always want a DHT (direct historical translation), so if you have samurai without bows, that's HERESY and so on and so forth. a lot of people forget that warhammer is it's own fantasy world and despite influences from ours, they remain just that, influences

People, people; stop bitching about me! :mad: :p

I never said anything about a DHT, just guns :rolleyes:

Festering Chantor
09-04-2005, 18:27
Yeah, don't give the guy a hard time just because he's short... *Realising the name isn't Stunty and panics*

Stouty
09-04-2005, 18:33
Stunty is just as good, just called myself stouty because its the word I use to describe the fat and dumb people at my school, without dying a painful death.

Festering Chantor
09-04-2005, 18:38
Fat and dumb people can beat you up? Perhaps you should have gone for 'Stunty'...;)

Stouty
10-04-2005, 01:06
Fat and dumb people can beat you up?

The important thing is that when they do certain bits of coursework dissapear ;)

Rabid Bunny 666
10-04-2005, 01:31
i'm guessing their your coursework after fatty has knocked you out ;)

Festering Chantor
10-04-2005, 09:28
I didn't get it... nothing new there...

Stouty
10-04-2005, 09:53
No niether did I...