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GrahamGilchrist
09-04-2007, 14:11
Contents: [*updated*]

Test Models:
Crisis suit (see this post)
Fire Warrior (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=1454510)
Drones (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=1454506)
Stealth Suit (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=1454513)

Scratchbuilt Orca:
Construction Starts (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2255145)
Finished before undercoat (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2510711)
Sprayed undercoat (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2514665)
Basecoat (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2555151)
W-I-P painting (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=3034011)

WIP models:
Broadsides (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2242046)
Stealth Team (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2242829)
All crisis suits (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2391586)
Crisis suits 1 (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2396306)
Crisis suits 2 (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2397346)
Crisis suits 3 (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2397999)
Crisis suits 4 (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2400111)
Crisis suits 5 (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2408977)
Crisis suits 6 (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2522560)
Crisis suit Commander (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2525775) undercoat (counts as Farsight)
Crisis Commanders (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2606505) base coat
Remora Drones (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2514665)

Army Shot (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2670247)

Finished Models:
Fire warriors (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2197490)
Broadside 1 (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2314370)
Broadside 2 (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=2314377)
Stealth Teams (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&p=3011867)

Introduction

I thought I would show off and ask for feedback on some of the test models I have just completed for my new Tau army. This is not a project log, although I may make one later on. There are going to be desert based and have a strongly contrasting black and orange colour scheme I came up with whilst playing Dawn of War.

The army is going to be using the Farsight rules and will be suit-heavy, although hopefully not cheesily so, as I am restricing myself on other unit choices (only crisis, stealths, fire warriors and drones).

I have done tests for:
crisis suit
drones
fire warrior
stealth suit


*****Edit Update******
If you can't see the images here then you can go to my Picasa album (http://picasaweb.google.com/grahamgilchrist/TauArmy?authkey=Ht6iAdTCYbQ).

Crisis suit
---------------

This is the painted test crisis suit for my Tau army. I'm not sure about the black highlighting yet. There are a lot of black highlighting techniques and It's difficult to paint a black which looks properly shiny. The weapons are also all magnetized, since I don't yet know how I will arm them.

http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cg_t6GrntrA/RhovXuYy-kI/AAAAAAAAAJ0/4fi8sHssVhg/s800/Tau%252520004.JPG
http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0KaxD4PgFt4/RhovYOYy-lI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/9CXZCU7h07M/s800/Tau%252520008.JPG
http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V2OBs4te8n4/RhovYuYy-mI/AAAAAAAAAKE/1Gcei1JvIkY/s800/Tau%252520009.JPG
http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-WD7rpXrpjQM/RhovZOYy-nI/AAAAAAAAAKM/ahqLYdt1LDo/s800/Tau%252520010.JPG

GrahamGilchrist
09-04-2007, 14:12
Gun Drones
-----------------

Two gun drones in alternate schemes. I couldn't quite decide which to go with yet but I am leaning towards the one on the right.

http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7j0MrUcREr4/RhovZeYy-oI/AAAAAAAAAKU/lrdcEA_iaHs/s800/Tau%252520012.JPG
http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-x9qEumBDaQc/RhovZ-Yy-pI/AAAAAAAAAKc/8Jpa9DioDFw/s800/Tau%252520013.JPG
http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MkhYYyFmuWw/RhovaOYy-qI/AAAAAAAAAKk/dLvTRTYK618/s800/Tau%252520014.JPG

Ross
09-04-2007, 14:14
S### you've done some great detailing work on the underneath of the drones, job well done. The colouring on the firewarrior is equally well done.
Good work, all the colours look good.

GrahamGilchrist
09-04-2007, 14:14
Fire Warrior
--------------------

The second fire warrior test for my Tau army. This one has proper basing and I changed the eye gems to green which I think has a better contrast with the rest of the model.

http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YbweadpUJGg/RhovaeYy-rI/AAAAAAAAAKs/nj-klbKwE1o/s800/Tau%252520015.JPG
http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0jKCNRdyMOY/Rhova-Yy-sI/AAAAAAAAAK0/ztzsmyCwanM/s800/Tau%252520016.JPG
http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8fMpDZ2HRog/RhovbOYy-tI/AAAAAAAAAK8/023syioeTMI/s800/Tau%252520017.JPGG

GrahamGilchrist
09-04-2007, 14:16
Stealth Suit
-----------------

Here is the first model in my stealth team unit. There will eventually be 5 Stealth team members and 5 gun drones in this unit so it ought to kick out a lot of firepower. I initially didn't have the electric line, but the model didn't quite look right. Having added it at the edge of the camo area I think it adds a lot to the model and makes it look like he is actually in transformation. I took some inspiration from the stealth suits in this army (http://uk.games-workshop.com/tau/huntercadre/2/)

http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jlcXGJpHYu0/RhovWuYy-iI/AAAAAAAAAJk/dILrZ1vvudk/s800/Tau%252520025.JPG
http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NTqIFjCdWMw/RhovbuYy-uI/AAAAAAAAALE/C9GbfDWZVl0/s800/Tau%252520018.JPG
http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1Hkq_zPjPRI/RhovceYy-wI/AAAAAAAAALU/NzT7M6VOcQY/s800/Tau%252520020.JPG
http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4n8MK-uipPw/RhovXOYy-jI/AAAAAAAAAJs/igRRVOqvVjc/s800/Tau%252520026.JPG

xibo
09-04-2007, 14:20
Death to 56K? But butbut I have 28.8k :evilgrin:

Your pics-links are invalid...

schoolcormorant
09-04-2007, 14:22
i can see them :confused:

this stuff is Awesome! the stealthsuit is genius, and the battlesuit is cool :cool:

SC

Perfect Organism
09-04-2007, 14:43
Generally pretty good looking models. The highlights on the black look fine to me.

I'm not sure about the stealth effect on the stealth suits... the texture makes them look like they are just covered in dirt rather than using active camouflage (which is what I assume you are going for). Maybe try using the same colours but apply them in a mottled camoflage pattern? Or go the other way and make the whole suit really blend into the base, possibly adding a few random lumps and things to the helmet and shoulders to really break the outline up.

The 'orange' sections look too red for my taste on my screen, but I have no idea if that's the paint, the photography or my monitor...

Endemion
09-04-2007, 15:00
All very well painted, will have to keep an eye on this. Personally prefer the left hand drone, but there's not a lot in it. And the electric effect on the stealth suit is superb

Bob Hunk
09-04-2007, 15:13
Sweeeeet, the Stealth Suit is are especially cool. :cool:

Sling
09-04-2007, 15:21
Wow! The scheme is really stunning. I love the combination of black and orange. And the stealthsuit is especially great. Like in the diorama in the Medusa V featuring WD :eek:

Tiller5
09-04-2007, 15:46
Wow, that stealthsuit is simply fantastic! ALMOST enough to tempt me back into doing Tau, but not quite! I think the gun drones look interesting in the two different schemes, I dont think you should stick to the same pattern, maybe have the same colours but in alternate arrangements perhaps...?

Scanno
09-04-2007, 15:52
Love the stealthsuit. The scheme is great; strikes me as very anime for some reason.

GrahamGilchrist
09-04-2007, 16:24
Thanks for the comments guys. Glad the colours look good to others as well :)

@Perfect Organism: It is a redder orange. I found that the brighter orange worked better on the crisis armour, but for the infantry undersuits, it needed to be a darker muted tone.

So what do you guys think for the others in the stealth team. Should I do one fully camo, one non-camo and the others in between? I was thinking about doing one with the camo coming from the top down and one with flickering patches, although these may look naff in practice.

Perfect Organism
09-04-2007, 16:33
So what do you guys think for the others in the stealth team. Should I do one fully camo, one non-camo and the others in between? I was thinking about doing one with the camo coming from the top down and one with flickering patches, although these may look naff in practice.

I'd be tempted to do them as all in different stages of activating their camouflage, so if you put them in a row it forms a little sequence... the first one just running into position with no camouflage, the next one standing with camouflage begining to creep up his body, then one who was almost completely camouflaged and end with one crouched down, almost indistinguishable from the base (depending on how many gys are in the unit, these stages will need to be adjusted, but I hope the concept is clear).

GrahamGilchrist
09-04-2007, 16:42
Nice idea. There will be 5 in the unit, so it would be perfect for a sequence. I do have some made in running poses that could function in such a capacity...

THX_1138
09-04-2007, 16:44
Wow! You've done a great job with these figures! Great scheme you've chosen, I especially like the stealth suit. A whole team painted that way will look superb.

I did notice one thing though. On the drones, isn't the white grill area supposed to be the exhaust port (ie the back of the model)?

jasevx
09-04-2007, 16:48
To make a Tau that good makes you realise there is hope for them! Its a shame it takes brilliant painters like yourself to bring them alive, is there any serious conversions in the waiting?

GrahamGilchrist
09-04-2007, 16:50
@THX 1138: Doh, someone spotted :)

You're not the only person to have pointed this out, but I just thought it looked cooler that way :)

Kasrkin 666
09-04-2007, 17:45
Sexy as hell! Love the detail under the drones. Also love the phasing of the stealth suit.

-666:(

The Super Haggis
09-04-2007, 17:47
Was it only me who, when I read the title, immediately imagined a stealth suit transforming into Optimus Prime.
Man that would be cool!:D
Anyway, on a more serious note, the stealth suits are v. cool but i would add a bit more electric arcs etc. around the transforming area to make it a bit more obvious whats happening but otherwise I think they're damn cool!
The rest of the models are very well painted as well, I like the clean painting style, and I kinda like the back-to-front drones.
You could have a stealth suit being shot and the armour malfunctioning in that area (the rest of the suit being in camoflage).

Cheers, Haggis

de Selby
09-04-2007, 18:01
Very nice. I've just bought some Tau so I'm paying close attention to Tau stuff here. I tried a similar colour scheme on some test tau but I didn't pull it off like you, I'll probably go for something brighter. I always thought that fire warriors should look more, you know, fiery.

Stealth suits might look odd if some are fully camo'd and some not. I suggest putting at least a bit of camo on all of them, working up from the base in each case. As others have said, having different amounts of transformation on each one should make it clear to the eye what is going on. Maybe put one suit with his foot on something (a rock, treestump, skull or something) and have that part of the model blending into different colour than the rest of the suit(s) in contact with the ground.

Good work, anyway.

Boss_Salvage
09-04-2007, 18:42
Fantastic work, especially on the stealth. Very nice scheme, the white weapons are an added tasty bit. Makes me want to go paint my 750 point Tau army :D

- Salvage

Eniac
09-04-2007, 18:50
Very nice, love the stealth suit. Colour scheme on the models is great. Not in your face yet still bold.

Aquilla
09-04-2007, 19:25
Beautiful work.
Once again I am tempted to collect Tau.

MeatGrinder
09-04-2007, 19:43
the stealth suit is awesome!

j1kob
09-04-2007, 19:45
Wow,

Very well done. A round of applause for your creativeness. I congratulate you for trying something new out, looks great.

Keep up the good work!

-cheers, J1kob

Lord Blood the Hungry
09-04-2007, 19:51
the painting is awesome. the photography is superb. it is quite an art (one i have yet to master)

ideas:

think all the drone colour schemes are cool. could do the drones in different patterns depending on their function. one pattern for sheild drones and another for gun drones, another for sniper, or markerlight.

stealth suits:

can go mechanical and have the stealth field generated from the base up in a level line on the model.

or having thought it over again. i now like the idea of the stealth cammo creeping over the suit organically, from the contact points with the surrounding terrain. then it would look like the suit is sampling its surrounding then adapting the cammo accordingly.

so in most cases thats cammo rising from the feet up as it is turned on (or descending from the head as it is turned off). then you could pose one with his hand on the ground (or on a rock/tree) with the cammo flowing from that too.

if you do paint one with patches of cammo it will look like the stealth field is malfunctioning, could be very cool or could detract from the super high tech feel of the army.

Lucifer216
09-04-2007, 21:21
Execute pattern Wayne:

"We're not worthy! We're not Worthy!"

Seriously, excellent models there. Keep up the good work. I'd love to see a whole army painted in that colour scheme and standard.

omricon
09-04-2007, 23:37
Those models are sweet, the stealthsuits are great although some slight colour variation in the rocks on the base might show off the ol dry brushing skills from model to model.

Also those bases are well cool, you dont see a lot of non standard non flat bases out there anymore.

Makaber
10-04-2007, 00:03
The stealth suit is inspired. I actually think you've managed the effect better than your inspiration source, when painting the camo'ed parts of the suit exactly like you'd paint rock or whatever. The rough texture really makes it blend in.

Catferret
10-04-2007, 01:50
If you finish that army you will beat so many people! They will all be too busy saying "wow!" to concentrate on their game. :D

GrahamGilchrist
10-04-2007, 13:56
Thanks for the comments guys. The whole stealth team will definitely be painted in the same way. I liked the idea of doing a crouching guy. Will require major conversion to the stealth suit model but I love the idea of a kneeling guy touching the ground with one hand and the stealth effect also crawling up his arm.

I may also do one with one foot on a patch of grass so that leg is greener.

Luthien
10-04-2007, 14:28
orange and black !!! you madman :evilgrin:

Apologist
10-04-2007, 14:52
Absolutely fantastic work I can only add my voice to the choirs of joy! I'm absolutely blown away by the Stealth Suit: the crackle-interface section is gorgeous, and it's immediately obvious what the effect is supposed to be.

Since that guy's the shas-ui (I presume), I think I'd be tempted to do the rest of the unit completely stealthed. As a unit, I think doing them all in different stages of transformation will look a bit messy as a whole. Much better (to my eye) if the leader stands out, while the others look like a military unit. Interest could be added by painting the eye lenses in as normal, and perhaps some malfunctioning/slightly battle-damaged plates that are not camouflaged (with the interface effect around them).

The overall colour scheme is absolutely gorgeous: unusual and subtly oriental-looking, and beautifully executed. Really can't congratulate you enough on these. If the rest of the army is even half as good, they'll be absolutely brilliant.

A couple of random notes: I really like the copper metallics on the fire caste warrior as they complement the green accents (and overall warm colour scheme) much better than silver.
That said, the silver works well with the more neutral black suits. I especially like the subtle weathering on the Crisis suit, and I think the base really sets off the whole thing.
I think the drones look fine and provide ample teasing opportunity about backwards xenos! ;) I prefer the black centre with orange outer over the other design.

All in all, a spiffy 70s-themed tau army!

The boyz
10-04-2007, 15:03
Awesome stuff Grahamgilchrist. I like the black/red colour scheme for your Tau. I love the paint job on the stealth suit. I like the pose as well on the crisis suit.

kendoka
10-04-2007, 17:05
Really nice colour selection.
Almost makes me want to collect Tau.
Keep up the good work.

AMBS
10-04-2007, 19:50
Goddammit!

I wanna play Tau now! :(

Airborne XO
10-04-2007, 21:09
That stealth suit is ******* awesome...IMHO better than the GW link that you posted (I think its your choice of colours and your more subtle electric line)

Cheers, Hal

sanctusmortis
10-04-2007, 23:25
Those stealth suits are just excellent... seriously good work.

Right hand drone for me.

VainEnd
11-04-2007, 05:01
I love the stealth suit idea, very cool

TheRupert
11-04-2007, 17:20
I just about fell out of my chair when I saw your Stealth Suits! Those are absolutely AMAZING! Love the overall color scheme as well. Very, very cool indeed.


Looking forward to seeing much more!

Thanks for sharing!

Mrlemonjelly
11-04-2007, 17:32
Just like everyone else, I love your stealth suits.

Also, I'd agree that the right hand drone looks best.

Fred_Scuttle
11-04-2007, 18:30
Don't.....change........a.....THING!!!!!!!!

Really - really - really want to nab your color scheme for a Tau Army!!!!

More pics? More pics? Some *IN PROCESS* pics might be good for us lowly n00bs looking to graft off your skillz....

Great job sir!!!!!!

F4113N
11-04-2007, 22:06
you should make a project log. after all your picture inspired 2+ pages of aproval.

Zaamel of the Deathwing
15-09-2007, 22:33
man thats some fancy stealth suits you got there, really nice effect on the camo

Tyrion
08-10-2007, 17:14
The Crisis Battle Suits Is Sooooooooooo Very Cool=D Cant wait to see more:)

The Dark One
11-10-2007, 21:22
i really like the colour scheme and how you have painted them

kazkal
12-10-2007, 04:07
They look sweet to me

GrahamGilchrist
21-12-2007, 20:59
Well, thanks for all the comments everyone. I thought it was about time I showed some updates for this army. I am planning on taking this army to the Damocles Gulf Crusade event at warhammer world in May, so I am having to get my ass in gear to be ready for it.

Current schedule is to have infantry (FW, drones and stealths) done by end of christmas, leaving me to build 15 crisis suits and a scratch built Orca for May. It might be a tough squeeze, but I'm not going to rush things.

First updates I'll show you are the two finished fire warrior squads. Most have been converted in some way. Apologies for the shinyness on the images, they were done under artificial light. Also, the bare head doesn't come out so well in the photo, but it has more contrast in RL.

Squad consolidating:
http://lh5.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R1SaMQ1jQbI/AAAAAAAAEkc/iRJRcO2oIkU/s800/firewarrior_004.JPG
http://lh5.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R1SaNQ1jQdI/AAAAAAAAEks/-Yju77gpQ_o/s800/firewarrior_006.JPG

Squad Advancing:
http://lh6.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R1SaOg1jQfI/AAAAAAAAEk8/DVHcAQqUVu8/s800/firewarrior_008.jpg
http://lh6.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R1SaPg1jQhI/AAAAAAAAElM/Pm9uifS8gT8/s800/firewarrior_014.JPG

Lost Egg
21-12-2007, 21:07
Its nice to see lots of dynamic poses yet none of the figs stand out too much...me likes:)

HN

fleshcross
21-12-2007, 21:25
Oooh, I love that style of Stealth suit, the electric line adds SOOO much to it!

lee
21-12-2007, 21:26
:eek: wow some realy nice fire warriors you got there

Lord Blood the Hungry
22-12-2007, 11:03
can't wait for the next update.

fire warriors look awesome. they have the most amazing trousers!

really really like the guns.
how do you make the white look so good?

i tend to steer clear of white cos it tends to look rubbish (at least it does when i paint it) the efect you have is so crisp.

the change of colour scheme was inspired, nice to see a tau army that have left their pokeballs at home for a change.

GrahamGilchrist
22-12-2007, 12:47
@Lord Blood
With the white I did an undercoat of codex grey, then several thin coats of white, being careful to keep the dark lines between the seperate regions.

Have got some more drones and broadsides coming soon. Stay tuned for more pics over the next week!

GrahamGilchrist
08-01-2008, 12:34
Time for some updates!
Firstly, here are some WIPs of broadsides I am working on. They are in the process of painting, having been undercoated and base-coloured , but these shots are pre-undercoat.

Both are forgeworld broadsides, a kind birthday present last year from my gaming group. Every *single* joint had to be pinned which took a long time and much frustration. What I wouldn't give for some extra mechadendrite arms.
I have tried to make the poses fluid to fit with the rest of the army as if they are in motion and actually firing.

Please forgive the poor photography, a cameraphone was all I had to hand at the time:

Broadside advancing:
http://lh5.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R2woaujGroI/AAAAAAAAEmU/2KQ60cTBQLc/s800/Image116.jpg
http://lh3.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R2woaOjGrnI/AAAAAAAAEmM/yc1GTkOsc0s/s800/Image115.jpg

Broadside firing:
http://lh5.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R2wobujGrqI/AAAAAAAAEmk/V_cJp3sLcwU/s800/P1000375.JPG
http://lh6.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R2wob-jGrrI/AAAAAAAAEms/-QYMw0sZ5SI/s800/P1000371.JPG

Opinions?

Mewy
08-01-2008, 13:34
Braced and firing I think... looks more intimidating with guns of that size :D

Luke
08-01-2008, 13:43
Wow, these guys look amazing! Love the colour scheme, never seen anything like it before. Subscribed!

GrahamGilchrist
08-01-2008, 17:39
More updates!

Again I apologise for the picture quality, I'll do some better ones with my proper camera when they are painted.

Here are some WIP shots of the rest of the stealth team I finished last night. All are converted in some way. The heads have been cut and repositioned tilted left /right and the arms and legs have also been repositioned. I am slightly unhappy with the fingers on the crouching guy - he is supposed to be touching the rock to 'sample' it for his active camouflage, but I'm not sure I got the pose quite right. It's too much effort to pull him apart and re-do now though.

http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R4NtqujGrsI/AAAAAAAAEnM/5pim7twJGDk/s800/Image022.jpg
http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R4NtqujGrtI/AAAAAAAAEnU/o4p4batCRrI/s800/Image023.jpg
http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R4NtqujGruI/AAAAAAAAEnc/hT8PuD4E7nQ/s800/Image025.jpg

I really like the one peering around the rock though, he is my favourite :D

What do you think?

frahill
08-01-2008, 19:51
Amazing enough said.

Lord Macharius
09-01-2008, 17:33
Loving these! Especially the creeping stealth suit!

GrahamGilchrist
13-01-2008, 00:26
Update time again:
Unfortunately no painted pics for today. I am working on some gun drones and broadsides at the moment but they are not finished yet.

Instead, i am going to show you some WIPs of my secret weapon for this army...

I paid a visit to the hobby store today, and bought the biggest piece of balsa wood they sold for the most reasonable sum of 11 english pounds (thats $22 for you american folks).

A little cutting later...

http://lh6.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R4lLNujGrvI/AAAAAAAAEnk/3UqikpBNJtk/s800/Image026.jpg

and a little glueing (can you guess what it is yet?)...

http://lh3.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R4lLO-jGrwI/AAAAAAAAEns/Y0y_ahiwU4M/s800/Image027.jpg

and we have the beginnings of my scratch built Orca dropship, designed to carry all those lovely death-dealing crisis suits into battle.

http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R4lLQOjGrxI/AAAAAAAAEn0/Rssl8oI7rPY/s800/Image029.jpg

The final Orca will be built from balsa wood and plasticard. I have only templated the vertical axis so far, but it will look much better when I do the side profile.

omricon
13-01-2008, 02:09
sweeet! sweeeeeeeeet!

Pravis
13-01-2008, 02:10
Awsome, i love the steathsuits. Also really interested in how the orca turns out.

Luke
13-01-2008, 09:39
wicked. as soon as i saw the block i thought "orca"

can't wait to see this!

GrahamGilchrist
14-01-2008, 00:53
Minor updates on the Orca progress. Done all the cutting and shaping of the main body now, just need to seal the balsa with PVA and do some filling of the gaps/holes I have bashed in it/errors in sanding etc. . Was thinking of using milliput for this.

The hobby shop did have some actual 'Model filler', although I have not used this before and am not sure if its any good? Anyone have any recommendations?

Anyway, onto the pic: :)

http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R4qx2-jGryI/AAAAAAAAEoU/1mttNIvv2-0/s800/Image033.jpg

verydarkshadow
14-01-2008, 01:49
Looking foreward to seeing that finished. Will you be adding in the details with plasticard?

Pravis
14-01-2008, 01:53
Looking very nice, alot of work must have gone into just curring and sanding some of those areas.... unless you have power tools that is :D

GrahamGilchrist
14-01-2008, 10:18
@verydarkshadow: Yes indeed, the details will be added with a combination of card, plasticard and greenstuff

@Pravis: No power tools used I'm afraid. I was worried about making to big a mistake with them! Just an afternoons worth of good old fashioned elbow grease . Balsa is actually pretty easy to work with if you have some rough grade sandpaper and a junior hacksaw :)

Darakesh
14-01-2008, 10:30
Sweet, like the colour scheme alot, I'm gonna try black and green myself but the orange is looking awesome. Did you decide on the rest of the stealthsuits? Ithink the spots painting might look awkward, but from the top down could work quite well.

Subscribed!!

kiwichild
14-01-2008, 10:43
Where are the resin bases from? They look sweet! With the fire-warriors....wow the black and leather scheme is awesome, for the bare-headed Tau I would love a watered down blue ink to give the flesh abit more depth. That aside WOW keep up the great work.

p.s. The ocra looks pimp/great! Any plans for mass production?

GrahamGilchrist
14-01-2008, 11:08
@Kiwichild: The resin bases are from foundations of war (www.foundationsofwar.co.uk)

I agree the tau skin should look a deeper blue. Unfortunately that is a side effect of the photography, in RL the blue is much richer and deeper. Will try to get some better photos at some point :)

kiwichild
14-01-2008, 11:14
Quick question: Do the foundations of war bases match with GW bases, do they have the same angle from the top to the base/floor..... for example this would be the cross section view /_____\. I`m thinking of getting some but want to mix them with plain GW bases too. I still like the black and leather colourscheme though, understand about the whole photography side of it though.
Cheers mate
James

ikim
14-01-2008, 11:15
The Orca is amazing.
I will try to scratch built one myself, as soon as I finish my Eldar superheavies; though I was thinking of a different approach on the project.
Anyhow, like Luke said, as soon as I saw the balsa my mind went "ORCA!".

keep it up, 'cause this is a great army and and great blog.

cheers

GrahamGilchrist
14-01-2008, 11:42
Cheers for all the comments guys.

@kiwichild: The foundations of war bases do have an angled edge like GW bases. Being resin, they are not always exactly the same due to miscasts etc but all my foundations of war ones have been quite good.

Actually the base the painted stealth suit is on was from black cat bases since I wanted some variation, but that batch I got had a lot of miscasts, so I went mostly with Foundations of war bases instead.

Lucifer216
14-01-2008, 11:55
My only comment is that the Orca seems to be suffering from "Rhino-Tardis" syndrome. It looks a trifle small, given that it is supposed to be capable of transporting most of your army. Or is this just my inability to grasp a sense of scale from the photo?

GrahamGilchrist
14-01-2008, 12:09
@Lucifer216: Well I was slightly worried about this myself, but I have scaled everything according to the plans. I could have made it bigger so I shall be annoyed if it ends up too small. Problem is, without a real one to measure against, I can never be sure.

Also, if you look at the pictures in imperial armour, all the units are pretty much crammed in there with the crisis suits hunched up and fire warriors sitting along the walls and stuff.

If anyone has access to an Orca, it would be useful to get a measurement from nose to tail to check :)

kiwichild
14-01-2008, 12:47
Cheers for all the comments guys.

@kiwichild: The foundations of war bases do have an angled edge like GW bases. Being resin, they are not always exactly the same due to miscasts etc but all my foundations of war ones have been quite good.

Actually the base the painted stealth suit is on was from black cat bases since I wanted some variation, but that batch I got had a lot of miscasts, so I went mostly with Foundations of war bases instead.

Cheers mate, I`m considering a basing-splurge on FoW bases so thanks for the heads up. Don`t want to do my whole Squat army with them (kinda expensive) so your advise is very welcome. Sorry for the thread high-jack.

johno
24-01-2008, 00:27
Graham: you may find Milliput is a bit hard to use as a filler on Balsa - you get problems when trying to sand it smooth, because the balsa around your filler "plug" sands away quicker than the filler itself, so it gradually ends up standing prouder than it started out...

The old Humbrol Model Filler used to work better with balsa than it did on plastic kits, but I'm not sure that they still make it - indeed they may be completely defunct now.

Get your local model shop to recommend you something that is still available!

As to sealing the balsa: two thinnish coats of Sanding Sealer, with a light sand after each coat used to be the method.

Sanding Sealer is basically cellulose dope with a filler powder in it, and will fill the grain (and whatever filler you end up using) very nicely, giving a really fine finish after the last rub down with fine sandpaper. Being cellulose based, I would recommend leaving it a good 48 hours before putting any acrylic based paint on it though, or you might find your paint flakes off again! Once it's fully dry, it will take the usual primers etc very nicely.

johno
(who worked in a model shop for twenty years before switching to IT...)

projectkmo
24-01-2008, 00:39
Subscribed if only to see how that Orca comes out!

The stealth suits are amazing too!

GrahamGilchrist
24-01-2008, 19:09
@johno

Cheers for the advice. I've got some *really* old humbrol filler but it might have gone off by now, but will try that first.
Thanks for the advice on sanding sealant. A smooth finish is exactly what I want to give the impression of futuristic tau technology. Will it take stuff stuck on with PVA afterwards (details etc.) well?

GrahamGilchrist
31-01-2008, 23:52
*updates*

Have finished 19 gun drones. I went with the orange middle for the standalone squad and the black middle for the 6 accompanying the stealth team. Pictures up when I have the chance.

Also just finished the two broadsides:
better photos to come (these were done with my cameraphone)

Broadside 1:

http://lh6.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R50XGJvU2hI/AAAAAAAAEo4/5vX9klzQfus/s800/P1000668.JPG
http://lh6.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R50XHJvU2iI/AAAAAAAAEpA/vp_aCkB2WTI/s800/P1000667.JPG
http://lh6.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R50XIJvU2jI/AAAAAAAAEpI/9QhrsVa1q0E/s800/P1000665.JPG

GrahamGilchrist
31-01-2008, 23:53
Broadside 2:

http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R6JeHZvU2kI/AAAAAAAAEpQ/snc1Tk9Xjuw/s800/Image049.jpg

http://lh3.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R6JeJJvU2mI/AAAAAAAAEpg/o6abTzZYRXc/s800/Image047.jpg

Lucifer216
31-01-2008, 23:56
Damn those look amazing. I'm sure the Stars of Dorn might hestitate before destroying such works of art. Wait who I am kidding ;).

I'm impressed how smooth you get the white areas. For some reason even when I water down my skull white, it looks blotchy after a couple of layers.

GrahamGilchrist
01-02-2008, 00:09
I'm impressed how smooth you get the white areas. For some reason even when I water down my skull white, it looks blotchy after a couple of layers.

It's about 6 layers of very thinned white!

verydarkshadow
01-02-2008, 03:00
Woo-hoo! Very nice indeed! :D

Green_RangerAK-47
01-02-2008, 03:15
bravo! i love it!

omricon
01-02-2008, 06:43
this is looking great! Although I love the paint jobs I reckon the srowning achievement here is the poses with the stealth suits takin centre stage for the paint prize :)

sheep
01-02-2008, 08:19
They look great, really nice scheme and execution.

Cheers

Sheep

Lord Blood the Hungry
01-02-2008, 11:12
awesome. i love the pose on the second broadside, so dynamic.
for me it's the colour scheme that does it. just the right ammount of colours to stop them looking like power rangers and the way they draw your attention.

how did you decide which colour to put where?

GrahamGilchrist
01-02-2008, 13:06
how did you decide which colour to put where?

uh, I'd like to say there was some careful consideration and logic to it all, but I totally just made it up. If a plate didn't look right or there was too much of one colour in an area then I repainted it.

For instance I originally had the square bit of the left knee of the second one black, but it just somehow didn't look right so I painted it orange instead.

Bob Hunk
03-02-2008, 20:34
Nice work. :cool: I really like Broadside poses, and the blending on the orange looks great, as does the consistency of the white on the guns. :)

GrahamGilchrist
27-02-2008, 12:04
Well people, I have been pressing ahead lots on this army, trying to get it ready for an event in May, hence lots of models but no time to take photos.

I will try and get some done over the weekend, however to whet your appetites, here is an overall shot of most of the crisis suits (there are 5 others which aren't in this photo):

http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R8VU9oBABDI/AAAAAAAAErk/ixVKLVBf4No/s800/Image050-001

Apologist
27-02-2008, 12:09
Man, this army rocks. You can't really tell from the photo, but have you really repositioned every joint on these guys? :eek:

The reposing, along with the mix of weaponry and conversion work on the helmets and so forth, really helps add to the individual nature of the models –perfectly in keeping with the background of these as Farsight enclave members. Are you tempted to add any kill markings and stuff to represent a slightly more individualistic/barbaric nature? I'm not talking 'necklaces of ears' barbaric; just the occasional bit of field-repaired armour etc.

The paintwork is masterful; and assuming you can get them done in time *cracks whip*, these'll be a serious contender for best army. *nods*

+++Edit+++

Alien commie technocrat member of the Plastic Crack Rehab Clinic (PCRC)

Awesome! :p

GrahamGilchrist
27-02-2008, 12:14
Man, this army rocks. You can't really tell from the photo, but have you really repositioned every joint on these guys?

Well almost! At least one leg and arm on each suit.
I did the posing such that I could get away with leaving a few legs untouched, but mostly; Yes, each joint...

And I have the five cuts and two drill holes in my fingers to prove it ::rolleyes:

GrahamGilchrist
28-02-2008, 23:02
Ok, here we go. WIPs of Crisis suit numeros two and three:

http://lh3.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R8c5k4BABHI/AAAAAAAAEsM/sC96Hz2yCUs/s400/Image060.jpg http://lh3.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R8c5p4BABNI/AAAAAAAAEs8/Ad3FV_yWk8U/s400/Image053.jpg

These two suits are going in the same squad as the first one posted back on page 1. The unit is armed with missile pods and burst cannons, and the Shas'Vre with a cyclic ion blaster and missile pod. These two I have done extensive conversion cutting and pinning the leg and arm joints. The arm and weapon positions are only blu-tacked in place at the moment so aren't aligned perfectly. I will glue them fully after some playtesting to make sure I am happy with the weapon combos.

Eventually all the suits in this army will be converted like this.

What do you think?

More to come soon! (I have 13 suits left to build!)

Apologist
29-02-2008, 09:00
Lookin' sweet. I particularly like the hunched defensive posture of the shas'vre: looks bad-ass.

The multi-tracker thingie on Number Two's (as he will now forever be named!) left shoulder looks backwards to me, though. Backwards drones are one thing ;) , but that really jars. If you pop it on the other way round, it'll reinforce the direction the head is looking, 'cause it's fighting with it at the moment.

That said, it's a very minor point overall, these are some sweet, sweet Crisis suits. Your reposing does a great job of breathing new life and dynamism into the minis, and it's clear that you're really investing a lot of love into them. You get two mechadendrites up!

If you're after more ideas for conversions, try trimming the sensor suite from the right pectoral plate and replacing it over the visual-slot in the centre of the chest. Are those the gooey Foundations of War bases, by the way, or did you dump those?

GrahamGilchrist
29-02-2008, 10:13
The multi-tracker thingie on Number Two's (as he will now forever be named!) left shoulder looks backwards to me, though.


Yeah, that's just blu-tacked on at the moment. i really don't like the standard multi-tracker look so I was experimenting with different looks. the reversed bit looks good if it's pointing the same direction as the head, but no much on this model. I'll probably use the conversion which replaces the aerial with the back of a burst cannon instead.


If you're after more ideas for conversions, try trimming the sensor suite from the right pectoral plate and replacing it over the visual-slot in the centre of the chest.

Nice idea. I've got a few more of these types of modifications to make, so that will be good to make some look more individual.


Are those the gooey Foundations of War bases, by the way, or did you dump those?

I ditched the ones that came a bit gooey (it was only 3 out of 12).

GrahamGilchrist
29-02-2008, 10:38
Hi everyone.
More updates today. Work continues apace on the crisis suits for my farsight cadre.

Here are some WIPs of the next crisis team, a deepstriking unit armed all with twin-linked fusion blasters and a couple of flamers. This unit is for apocalypse tank hunting. They are 'supposed' to look like the are landing from a drop/jetpack jump.
(apologies for poor picture quality, they are only WIPs and I did them at night on a cameraphone)

http://lh5.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R8c5iYBABEI/AAAAAAAAEr0/rOCiMqC0sTA/s400/Image056.jpg http://lh5.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R8c5nYBABKI/AAAAAAAAEsk/vm7nognlnPE/s400/Image064.jpg http://lh3.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R8c5r4BABPI/AAAAAAAAEtQ/Eke8HYMvn_Y/s400/Image051.jpg

I'll try and get some group army shots at the weekend to show you current progress :)

---
Go in peace for the greater good.

Luke
29-02-2008, 10:41
Hey, I like those a lot. Esp like the stealth suit opticals in the xv8's head.

THE CHIEF
29-02-2008, 11:06
Graham - you have made me actually want to be at home painting my Tau now. This is a turn up for the books!

Stirling work mate I think I might actually have to dig out the old brushes later :)

It was the Stealth Suit in transition that did it, but the rest of the army is awesome too. And I might have to see if I can find some FW Broadsides now because they are beautiful.

GrahamGilchrist
29-02-2008, 15:40
OK, got some free time at work to post up some more pictures:

This is the third crisis squad. Two armed with twin linked missile pods and a team leader with twin-linked plasma rifles. Again these are WIP so not exactly final poses and need some GS work yet:

http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R8c5kIBABGI/AAAAAAAAEsE/uE0mr-mJCFE/s400/Image058.jpg http://lh6.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R8c5moBABJI/AAAAAAAAEsc/5Ly5DeA4708/s400/Image063.jpg http://lh5.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R8c5oYBABLI/AAAAAAAAEss/IxYPfQvrRIE/s400/Image065.jpg

I know number one is a bit boring, but with all the other fancy poses, I wanted one who looked like he was just walking along normally. Ironically it took the longest to pose because it's really hard to get a realistic looking walking pose.

Apologies for blur-o-vision on the second one. Also, he is only blue because I got him second-hand from our very own Apologist (http://warseer.com/forums/member.php?u=11253) since there are 16 crisis suits in this army and I wound up 2 short. The second one is actually pointing and will have GS'ed finger.

The third one also has a custom head but it's difficult to see due to the lighting. Will do better pictures once they are painted.

What do you think?

ironfather512
29-02-2008, 18:45
very nice army, the stealth suit scheme is great, i love the one stealth suit sneaking round the rock.

GrahamGilchrist
01-03-2008, 10:12
Thanks for the great comments people.

Heres another update for today. I have finished all the crisis suits I have now, just waiting on a forgeworld order for three more, and we all know how slow those are at the moment.

Anyhoo, time for some piccies. This is going to be the farsight bodyguard squad. It's not fully completed as one of the forgeworld models will go in here, and they are WIP, but here you go:

http://lh3.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R8c5l4BABII/AAAAAAAAEsU/gbB4gfJNjzw/s400/Image062.jpg http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R8c5pIBABMI/AAAAAAAAEs0/RA-3SF-VdPk/s400/Image052.jpg http://lh3.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R8c5q4BABOI/AAAAAAAAEtI/4mGBw1MBvbA/s400/Image055.jpg

What do you think?

GrahamGilchrist
04-03-2008, 11:21
And the final crisis suit so far. This guy is a shas'el in my 1000 pt games and a monat support shas'vre with a shield drone in larger games.

In crazy blur-o-vision:
http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R8c5jIBABFI/AAAAAAAAEr8/L50u4P62aMI/s400/Image057.jpg

Still waiting for my forgeworld order made over 3 weeks ago... :(

GrahamGilchrist
07-03-2008, 11:20
Small update today. Started spray undercoating the crisis suits last night but ran out of spray one coat before I was finished :(
I'll have to pop to halfords for some more undercoat at the weekend before I can continue.

In other news, I have also made some progress on the Orca. I cut the rough shapes for the engine mounts and one engine last night:

http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R9CZPGP7UeI/AAAAAAAAEtw/7Rly6wCzGUo/s400/Image071.jpg

I have run out of balsa wood for the moment so will have to go and purchase a small block to make the remaining two engine parts.

Then it's a case of sealing the wood bits with sanding sealer (anyone know where to get this in the UK?) and then plasticard detailing. I hope to have finished building it by the end of the Easter weekend.

Am I being too optimistic? :)

Monsterzonk
07-03-2008, 14:22
Very cool so far. I'll be keeping an eye on this log...

jdp
07-03-2008, 16:13
This is a great looking army! I love the poses you have beaten out of your suits, very natural and dynamic. Painting is all aces, keep it up.

On your Orca, you should thinkabout using balsa filler, which is light weight and about the same hardness as your balsa. A hobby shop with a good R/C presence should be able to hook you up with some for a couple of pounds.

verydarkshadow
07-03-2008, 16:45
Its hard to be *too* optimistic. Looks good.

GrahamGilchrist
07-03-2008, 16:57
On your Orca, you should thinkabout using balsa filler, which is light weight and about the same hardness as your balsa. A hobby shop with a good R/C presence should be able to hook you up with some for a couple of pounds.

Thanks for the suggestion. I've got some of this actually (although it's about 6 years old - may be duff by now!). The problem is I think I would need a rather lot to do the whole Orca since it comes in small tubes.
Hopefully the sanding sealer will give it a tough, hard finish as well.

Ancientsociety
07-03-2008, 17:01
I'm not really a Tau fan but this is amazing. I love your color scheme and the optical camo on those stealth suits makes me want to go out and buy a few just to try my hand at it!

Subscribed!

sheep
07-03-2008, 23:07
Fantastic stuff as always GG.

Cheers

Sheep

Alex_H
07-03-2008, 23:27
Subscribed! I like the stealth suits mate, inspiration in progress!

tempestice
08-03-2008, 03:54
I started with tau and I love this army becasue everything is so clean...

the paint application
the coverting...or leg/arm repositioning

GREAT!

GrahamGilchrist
10-03-2008, 12:01
Hey everybody.
Got quite a lot done on the army this weekend, despite having to go looking for flats as I am going to be homeless soon!

Spray undercoated all the crisis suits and painted their bases. Here is a WIP shot before I finished them all:

http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R9kG4r1oO7I/AAAAAAAAEwI/4BIamsIMm6A/s400/Image074-001

Although, there are still 4 more crisis suits to come, I am beginning to see this army come together now everything is undercoated - The end is in sight!

I also got some extra balsa for the other two orca engines and some sanding sealer from hobbystores. Will let you know how I get on with this. I am hoping it will give the balsa a hard surface to protect it and a smooth finish to look like a proper Tau vehicle (and not a large block of wood) :)

GrahamGilchrist
11-03-2008, 17:19
New updates on the Orca last night:

http://lh3.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R9kGnb1oO6I/AAAAAAAAEwA/ocMpIFfB79Y/s400/Image075-001

I have done almost all the basic shaping apart from cutting out the holes for the front of the engines. Then I can begin sanding and sealing and then detailing!

What do you think?

VERITAS/AEQUITAS
11-03-2008, 17:50
Pretty impressive piece of wood. ^^

Captain Brown
11-03-2008, 18:27
Wow Graham, you are actually making the Orca. That is going to be quite the centerpiece.

Captain Brown

sheep
12-03-2008, 10:09
Thats fantastic, really really good, and so much cheaper then the FW original. Looks great.

Cheers

Sheep

Apologist
12-03-2008, 13:09
Lookin' spiffy, chief. It's surprising how much it looks like an Orca already the shape is very distinctively tau, even before the overlaying plates have been added.

For comedy purposes, you've got to post your problems with the ink pen... :angel:

Count Sinister
12-03-2008, 13:44
That Orca is really starting to look good! I'll be keeping on eye on your progress with this. Keep up the excellent work!

GrahamGilchrist
12-03-2008, 16:59
For comedy purposes, you've got to post your problems with the ink pen... :angel:

Well if you insist, and in the hopes of helping other warseerers (warseerians?)

I used a dry wipe overhead marker pen to put some lines on my resin bases so that I could line up the crisis feet from their dry fit positions. I thought it was a permanent marker but got confused. It's the kind you use to write on plastic overhead projection slides that is designed to wipe off.

*NEVER EVER USE OVERHEAD MARKER PENS ON SOMETHING YOU WILL PAINT OVER.*

I presumed that spraying and painting over the top of these would cover this ink like other pens.
The spray undercoat initially looked fine because it was black and I didn't notice, but when I started painting the light desert colours over the black, I got really confused why there was green appearing everywhere on the base.

I thought it was the black spray having not dried properly and mixing with the bleached bone, but it was the pen ink seeping through the undercoat and then 2 layers of paint to be bright green on top of my desert bases. It took me ages to work out what it was. I tried to seal over the top with pva, but weirdly the pva seemed to suck more of it through the layers of paint, leaving them intact. Thus begin a 3 hour painstaking session of dabbing PVA in little clumps to pull it all through the paint and get rid of the green. There is still a tiny bit I couldn't get rid of but I'll just have to live with it!

Warning!

I have used this pen to mark the orca as well (see pic) so I am going to have to scrub that one dry before doing any painting on it.

GrahamGilchrist
13-03-2008, 11:51
More Orca updates today:

I cut the final engine parts last night. Thats all the shaping done now, next step is to seal and sand the wood and then detail.

http://lh3.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R9kDUb1oO3I/AAAAAAAAEvc/GfXMSC1r8PQ/s400/Image076

Some bits look a bit rough at the moment, but that will all be cleaned up in the detailing stage :)
What do you think?

Lu&Pu
24-03-2008, 23:23
Me thinks...great and awesome work.

Hasan ibn Sabbah
25-03-2008, 00:10
wow awesome scratch-build orca. And excellent posing of stealth suits, that lurking behind the rock kick ass.

Fallan
25-03-2008, 00:29
Yummie! :D
Love your painting..
Especially the stealth-suit idea, it's fantastic.. Agreeing with Hasan, I have to say that the sneakpeeking fella behind the rock really kicks ass. :D
That orca is turning out nice too.
Keep up!

Apologist
25-03-2008, 01:05
Seeing the giant Sunshine Bus in person really hits home how big(!) the thing is; really, really striking. Any chance of some close-ups of some of the detailing you were working on? The vanes look really, really cool; and it'd be great to see how they look once they're undercoated.

GrahamGilchrist
26-03-2008, 11:56
Well, here are more Orca updates from the Easter weekend. I got quite a lot done, but there is still a lot of detailing to do.

Pic 1:
http://lh3.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R-oreUVjNXI/AAAAAAAAEww/K0ydIlRijVk/s400/Image083.jpg

I finished most of the engine detailing, constructing the jet vanes, rear engine stacks and side detailing out of plasticard. Some detailed pictures of the engines:

Front engine:
http://lh5.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R-ori0VjNYI/AAAAAAAAEw4/Z1m-WLaF01w/s400/Image084.jpg

Rear engine:
http://lh3.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R-ornUVjNZI/AAAAAAAAExA/G_IxfP-Wlw8/s400/Image086.jpg

What do you think?

I still have to do:

engine detailing. I need to add the lines crossing the engines. It's not really feasible to cover every surface in plasticard fopr this, so I am thinking of etching the details into the balsa with a sharp knife, but I will have to be very careful to keep them straight.
side icon details in plasticard
rear hatch details in plasticard
top detailing in plasticard - this is a big one
giant aerials
Cockpit
underside detailing and thrusters


Suddenly my May 17th deadline for this and painting the rest of my army is looking somewhat unacheivable... :cries:

Malant
26-03-2008, 15:43
Graham thats amazing! And from what you said on my revanant thread the reason its taking so long is because you dont have your own tutorial on how to make it (i think)
Dam it looks amazing,
Keep up the great work,
-Malant

synapse
26-03-2008, 19:09
very impresive scratchbuilt vehicle. im not usually impressed by scratchbuilds since i always feel they lack the detail needed to make them look 'real' but this is already looking great!

how do you plan on layering the plasticard over the curved edges? heating?

omricon
27-03-2008, 01:39
this is looking great!

GrahamGilchrist
27-03-2008, 10:46
Thanks for the comments guys. You are keeping me going when this army never seems it will be finished!


how do you plan on layering the plasticard over the curved edges? heating?

Ah well, for the plasticard layering on the top I will use quite thin plasticard and sand the edges to merge into the balsa. If there are any gaps I'll fill them with greenstuff.

The only bit I'm going to need to bend is the plasticard for the curved front cockpit. For that part I had thought of very gentle heating over an oven hob.

Lord Blood the Hungry
27-03-2008, 20:56
totally rules G. orca is going to be ace especially with all the intricate details you are adding to it.

verydarkshadow
28-03-2008, 00:00
Wow! That's comming together great! And May 17th is ages away (well, at least over a month ;) )

Yayale
28-03-2008, 00:34
Looking awsome shame about the board marker i wud of thought it wud wipe straigth off of the bases as they are plastice. For the Orca try using meths it shud get rid of it as it removes permament marker no problem.
I love ure colour scheme tho and the stealth suits in the process of changing r awsome. I can't believe tht many crisis suites r legal tho

GrahamGilchrist
31-03-2008, 18:56
More updates today:

I have started the top detailing on the Orca:

http://lh5.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R_EmvEVjNaI/AAAAAAAAEx4/N8dTX1okoM8/s400/Image088.jpg

I got the front part of the plasticard to bend by gently heating over an oven hob, the problem is, you have a have a lot of patience and hold it further away for longer so it gets soft slowly, otherwise you get what happened to me where it suddenly goes floppy and also distorts in the other two axes you didn't want.

With glue and a bit of GS it will be fine though.

What do you guys think?
Will try and finish the top detailing tonight. Must... keep... going...to...finish....deadline...

Ell
31-03-2008, 20:02
WOW! That Orca is looks like it will be awesome when its finished. keep up the good work:D

Ell

skroh
31-03-2008, 21:14
This orca looks great.
Do you use a full piece of balsa ?

sheep
01-04-2008, 06:34
Thats really coming along great mate, the plasti card is perfect and i can't wait to see it finished.

Cheers

Sheep

krauti
01-04-2008, 07:18
Great work.
I love the Stealth Suits! Keep it up.

GrahamGilchrist
01-04-2008, 12:27
Cheers for the comments :)

@skroh: It is made from a large block of balsa, but since it wasn't wide enough I had to cut it in half and glue two bits together. You can see if you look at the first picture on page 4 (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78588&page=4).

Updates:

Some more detail work last night and finished glueing the top parts down. Got really frustrated trying to position everything as my Araldite went a bit wierd for a while. You have to be really careful and patient heating the plastic as it bends very quickly once it hits the right temperature.

Anyhoo, here are the pics:

http://lh6.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R_HsLUVjNcI/AAAAAAAAEyg/Jw34461fWsY/s400/Image096.jpg http://lh5.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R_HsKEVjNbI/AAAAAAAAEyY/3mc8sVs4yNY/s400/Image097.jpg

What do you think? I hope to finish the cockpit tonight and start the side details.

old guard
01-04-2008, 12:38
Impressed! A well presented Tau army is a pleasure to behold. That Orca is looking sweet, You are to be congratulated on your efforts. have you sealed the Balsa? its not something I have worked with miself (least not something that big) but I am aware that it can be funny stuff if not prepped properly.

looking forward to seing the ongoing progress.

Deus Ruinus
01-04-2008, 14:29
wow the orca looks amazing! im impressed indeed!

Monsterzonk
01-04-2008, 14:33
One of the best scratch-builts I've seen in a while. Keep going!

Apologist
01-04-2008, 15:06
That's really starting to come together beautifully, cat. Nice work!
The plasticard is going to give a really professional finish.

brambleten
01-04-2008, 18:53
brilliant colour scheme on the tau, i love the effect of the black white and orange on the suits. the stealth suit changing is brilliant as well. i cant wait to see the orca finished. keep up the good work!

Elizas Guardianangel
01-04-2008, 19:10
Amazing work!

Bob Hunk
02-04-2008, 22:29
Wow, the Orca is coming along nicely and lookin' great. :cool:

Malant
02-04-2008, 23:00
Wow Grahm thats pretty darn impressive! the paneling looks great.
Keep it up!,
-Malant

GrahamGilchrist
03-04-2008, 10:44
Todays update:
Didn't get much done last night as I was hit by a migraine and had to go to bed, but I have managed to finish the cockpit, plus the top engine details and start the side panels.

You can see one of the side panels on the table in the bottom right of this picture (will put a better one up later when I get home), but this shows the cockpit and the top engine vents.

http://lh6.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R_Si1kVjNdI/AAAAAAAAEzA/AMbf2myWv2g/s400/Image100.jpg

The cockpit was made from 3 layers of 2mm (I think) plasticard, but I had to do the heat and bend trick again which is not easy since the plastic tends to go instantly floppy. Will fill the holes with GS before spraying.

What do you think?

Lucifer216
03-04-2008, 10:52
I can't wait to see this painted, especially as your colour scheme seriously kicks ass :)

Malant
03-04-2008, 11:56
Dam that seriously looks just like the forgeworld one! lol i think thats amazing! Cant wait to see it painted!
-Malant

Fallan
03-04-2008, 12:25
That orca will be awesome!
Shaping that body from wood are so impressing..
I'm so looking forward to see it painted, just like Lucifer216 says, because of your rocking color-sheme.. :cool:

THE CHIEF
03-04-2008, 13:10
Yes. Incredible.

Simply great work on that Orca mate, its shaping up to be a truly stunning model.

Contradictions_Collapse
03-04-2008, 19:02
That orca is looking amazing!, i didn't actually think it would work but you have proved me wrong :P. plus it can double as quite a harmful Projectile if One gets angry ^^

Keep up the awesome work!!!!

Brother-Captain Antilles
03-04-2008, 20:35
I'm always impressed by the scratch-builds I see on these boards. Even if they dont turn out well, the sheer cojones of taking on such a large project is gratifying to see. When it comes to your project though, I do have to say that this is one of the best scratch-builds I have seen so far - it is well conceived and executed, and it actually looks totally "right". You are to be congratulated sir, and I look forward to seeing the finished results.

Also and not to be forgotten:-
1. Excellent paint job on the Tau.
2. Great posing of the models generally (I love the second Broadside).
3. The stealth suits. These deserve a numbered point all to themselves given their sheer awesomeness. I remember seeing a cloaked stealthsuit in WD a while back, and thinking how cool that was. I think you've done an excellent job with the transforming effect. Inspiring idea GG.

Regards,

GrahamGilchrist
04-04-2008, 10:57
Hi everybody,

A few more Orca updates from last night. Anyone getting bored yet? :)
I am so near finishing this, I hope to get it done this weekend - in fact I need to finish to have any hope of painting it before the May event.

I finished the side details:

http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R_V4A0VjNjI/AAAAAAAAEz0/NVXRYCutGxU/s400/Image105.jpg

And started the rear hatch:
http://lh3.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R_V3_kVjNiI/AAAAAAAAE0g/O0IfXXMDy68/s400/18e71ff5_Image106.jpg

Please ignore the mis-carvings, they will be filled in with GS at the end and won't be visible.

And also finished the top details:
http://lh6.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R_V3-UVjNhI/AAAAAAAAEzk/ax3bBHn--Os/s400/Image103.jpg

What do you guys think?


Tonight I will try to finish the rear top engine details which is quite fiddly and the icon/details on the rear hatch.

Then I just have to do the plates on the top fin which I think I will do with paper/thin card as it is quite a curved shape and then do the underside details which I am a little unsure on.


Anyone know what the underside of an Orca looks like? From the plans it looks like there are two downward thrusters on each side in the middle, and a large round dome on the front underside, but I'm not sure what else. Anyone got any plans/pictures? they would be most useful.

Lucifer216
04-04-2008, 11:09
probably your best bet is the computer game fire warrior, but I've just given my copy away to Oxfam. :(

Shadowphrakt
04-04-2008, 11:50
Is looking really good, friend!

Contradictions_Collapse
04-04-2008, 17:21
probably your best bet is the computer game fire warrior, but I've just given my copy away to Oxfam. :(

Beacause the game deserves no other fate :P

rev
04-04-2008, 17:32
wow! This is amazing - so smooth!!

GrahamGilchrist
07-04-2008, 10:51
Hey all,
Wow, a productive weekend:

I HAVE FINISHED THE ORCA *shock*

Although I was up until 3am last night! Just need to do some GS filling and then I can spray and paint. Hooray.

Here are some finished pics:
http://lh6.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R_ns0UVjNmI/AAAAAAAAE1M/EwJdFKK1QPQ/s400/284f40fd_Image107.jpg

Rear details:
http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R_nsv0VjNlI/AAAAAAAAE0s/IM0HM049JfI/s400/Image109.jpg

http://lh5.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R_nsqEVjNkI/AAAAAAAAE1Q/zy63EbvcE_E/s400/2852a7a2_Image108.jpg

Underside (I had to make most of this up due to lack of reference material ...):
http://lh4.google.com/grahamgilchrist/R_ns40VjNnI/AAAAAAAAE08/705_OWY1wMQ/s400/Image110.jpg

What do you guys think?

Monsterzonk
07-04-2008, 11:01
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: Paint it!

Lord Blood the Hungry
07-04-2008, 11:24
dude....
G
that totally rules
absolutely awesome and i have no doubts that once painted it will recieve the accolades it deserves as the masterpiece it will be.

i'm blown away by the plasticard detailing. its so precise and intricate.
how do you do it?

best thing is you have the full log and WIP photos to look back on (nostalgia?) and reffer people to when they don't believe that you made it yourself.

obviously those with the impatient responses such as "paint it now" obviously do not appreciate the sheer ammount of effort that goes into a scratch build.

sit back take a minute and just admire your handywork. twas a labour of love, tis a thing of beauty, and at long last it is complete.

sheep
07-04-2008, 11:29
I thinks its amazing, well done :D

Cheers

Sheep

Lucifer216
07-04-2008, 11:37
Gratz!

<Graham Gilchrist has now reached modelling skill 400/400 - speciality - uberwftpwnage>

Get some sleep, then let the painting orgy commence. This deserves to be featured in WD. Hell the whole army is clearly the equal if not better than Eavy Metal standard :)

brambleten
07-04-2008, 11:46
paint it then build another, then a manta!
brilliant work

Malant
07-04-2008, 11:55
Dam, Graham that is amazing! it looks really really good! Cant wait to see it painted,
-Malant

GrahamGilchrist
07-04-2008, 12:04
paint it then build another, then a manta!

Don't even go there.
Oh the ideas.....
Lots of flat areas, It could be done fairly easily with balsa....

*slaps himself*

No. Stop you crazy fool. I'd need an entire army of tanks to carry in it as well!
2 flying cadres of Tau.

Right. This thought is being terminated before it becomes dangerous.

Fallan
07-04-2008, 12:13
Wow! Now, get the gs-filling squared away so that it may harden.. THEN PAINT IT. :D

brambleten
07-04-2008, 12:40
Don't even go there.
Oh the ideas.....
Lots of flat areas, It could be done fairly easily with balsa....

*slaps himself*

No. Stop you crazy fool. I'd need an entire army of tanks to carry in it as well!
2 flying cadres of Tau.

Right. This thought is being terminated before it becomes dangerous.

it would be massively cheaper than buying it from FW, and satisfying for you to know that you have out done games workshop by building their most expensive product in a material that doesnt need to be cleaned before being stuck together

TheShadow3s
07-04-2008, 15:07
your skills are totally OP, that ORCA, OMG, OMG,OMG

And then those stealthsuits and xv-88 and XV-8.

I collect tau as well, and thought about posting a few pics myself, but after seing this I don't think I even can since yours are so amazing :O.

Another question, how does everyone get those lenses so beatifull, damn....
Mine always look like they're almost complete, but always miss the final touches.

GrahamGilchrist
10-04-2008, 00:59
Here are a few more detail shots of the Orca for posterity before i spray it.

top overall view:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/R_1XjCB0Y4I/AAAAAAAAE2U/8Apo05ZXSfU/s400/Image111.jpg

top detail:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/R_1XiCB0Y3I/AAAAAAAAE28/3jM8pUJSJWk/s400/Image114.jpg

Side detail:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/R_1XgyB0Y2I/AAAAAAAAE24/3pnKexK-QII/s400/Image115.jpg

Rear top and aerial detail:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/R_1XgCB0Y1I/AAAAAAAAE18/DRH7g0-UKuQ/s400/Image116.jpg

GrahamGilchrist
10-04-2008, 01:01
Close up aerial detail:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/R_1XfCB0Y0I/AAAAAAAAE10/3ND_EGAO8hE/s400/Image117.jpg

rear of engines:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/R_1XeCB0YzI/AAAAAAAAE1s/wJtcEknT4us/s400/Image118.jpg

Back door:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/R_1XcCB0YxI/AAAAAAAAE1c/bWC5nHFpNj0/s400/Image120.jpg

underside:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/R_1XbCB0YwI/AAAAAAAAE1U/JfKtYXm8L1M/s400/Image119.jpg

Sorix
10-04-2008, 14:12
Love those Stealth teams, and everything else :D

bravefew
10-04-2008, 15:30
WOW:eek: Simply fantastic!

Lucifer216
10-04-2008, 16:00
Hmm. Given the standard of your painting, possible Golden Demon open category entry, perhaps?

Valo
10-04-2008, 19:48
you really should mak a mould of that thing.just for "future models" if you catch my drift...:D

honestly,thats possibly the best scratchbuilt tau piece i've ever seen.

GrahamGilchrist
11-04-2008, 10:37
Look what arrived yesterday. After 8 weeks of waiting (thanks forgeworld) I finally got the gunship escorts for the orca. 2 Remora fighter drones.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/R_6jhiB0Y7I/AAAAAAAAE4o/FCW8RXAtlls/s400/3cdea53d_Image124.jpg

Here is one deployed:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/R_6jgSB0Y6I/AAAAAAAAE4k/wqeqy97eqEg/s400/3cde404e_Image125.jpg

And the same drone in inactive mode. (yes I made the worky bits operational!)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/R_6jfiB0Y5I/AAAAAAAAE4g/XtQ6vhbQjAw/s400/3cd3b70d_Image127.jpg

I didn't like these models when I first saw them, but now I love them and they fit right in with the theme of my army. I intend to use them to shoot down enemy interceptors trying to take out the orca, and possibly for ground attack with the seeker missiles.

Lucifer216
11-04-2008, 10:47
Those really do look worth the wait. The only slight niggle, IMO is the size of the grate/jet engine on the front. It looks a little boxy compared to the sleek curves of the rest of the model.

synapse
11-04-2008, 10:54
awesome work on the orca! i still dont know how you managed to pull off the curved surfaces with plasticard, but... well, great work!

GrahamGilchrist
11-04-2008, 10:57
i still dont know how you managed to pull off the curved surfaces with plasticard, but... well, great work!

Very careful heating and sanding :D

Lu&Pu
11-04-2008, 12:50
Look what arrived yesterday. After 8 weeks of waiting (thanks forgeworld) I finally got the gunship escorts for the orca. 2 Remora fighter drones.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/R_6jhiB0Y7I/AAAAAAAAE4o/FCW8RXAtlls/s400/3cdea53d_Image124.jpg



Looks more like you got two Remoras and an Orca in the mail. ^^

Amazing thing, how long did it took you, including work on the idea, to finish the whole construction?

Maggotscreech
11-04-2008, 13:22
wow your orca looks amazing... and when i saw the undercoated picture i though you had ordered the forge world one lol but then i realise it was your one and all i have to say is WOW it looks amazing and exactly like the forge world one. perfect! *claps and cheers*

brilliant... now get it painted!! lol :)

consider me subscribed (and i dont even like tau! lol )

keep up the GREAT work.

maggot out.

brambleten
11-04-2008, 17:41
those fit really well with the orca

GrahamGilchrist
12-04-2008, 09:42
Hi, quick request. If there are any mods out there, is it possible to rename threads?
Since this one has grown into a general project log the original title is no longer relevant so I was trying to change it to something like:

"GrahamGilchrist's Tau Farsight Cadre and scratchbuilt Orca Log"

I tried changing the title of the first post but that didn't work, I guess it needs a mod's touch. :)

swamp_slug
12-04-2008, 16:12
Wow, that orca looks absolutely fantastic can't wait to see it fully painted and alongside the rest of your army.

folnjir
13-04-2008, 02:22
How have I not seen this log before? Your Orca looks awsome, looking forward to seeing you paint it.

zealot!
13-04-2008, 03:20
the stealth suit is what puts all of this way over the top. keep it up

old guard
13-04-2008, 08:10
Really impressive I look forward to seing it in its full painted glory! presumably the scheme is going to match the rest of the army.

Just spotted! a fellow son of Southampton (crap football team (we're allowed to say it!), half decent modellers).
well done fella. Push on!

sheep
13-04-2008, 09:59
Try Pm'ing a mod, like Wintermute to get your title changed :)

Looking bloody impressive mate, With the primer on you can't tell its not a shop bought one, well done.

Cheers

Sheep

Wintermute
13-04-2008, 12:59
I've changed the thread title to GrahamGilchrist's Tau Farsight Cadre and scratchbuilt Orca Log as requested by the OP.

BTW I'm an Admin, not a Mod ;)

Wintermute
The WarSeer Inquisition

GrahamGilchrist
13-04-2008, 16:25
Thanks for the title change Wintermute.

In other news, I am working on the remaining 3 crisis suits for this army. I put together an XV81 (the one with the back mounted sms) last night and I hope to have both the commanders finished tonight.

Then it's just painting all the way...

More pics as soon as they are done :)

GrahamGilchrist
14-04-2008, 11:18
Hideho peoples,

Updates for today. Didn't quite get the last crisis suit finished last night. *boo*
I ran out of superglue just before glueing the arms and legs together!
I can't beleive in the last two weeks I have gone through about 6 bottles of superglue. It's costing me a small fortune!

Anyhoo, I did finish 3 other crisis suits:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SAKdBalFykI/AAAAAAAAE50/QOi_2LpOt0U/s400/PicasaWeb_5188882368324553282.jpg http://lh4.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SAKdCKlFylI/AAAAAAAAE5w/VGKEJacmRoU/s400/4c68ed1f_Image129.jpg http://lh3.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SAMg4qlFynI/AAAAAAAAE54/zFtaHbcTcUA/s400/4c6bbbad_Image137-001.jpg

The left/top two are part of the farsight retinue and the rightmost one is my secondary commander.

My final crisis commander (counts as farsight) should be done tonight and then it's just painting :)

I might see if I can do a full army shot as well now everything is built.

TheShadow3s
14-04-2008, 22:24
Sheer awesomeness, I assusme you have got one of those interdiction cadre list ?
those battlesuits are awesome....., damn I have to get more next time I go tho the GW shop.

EDIT: I think you missing a weapon on you SMS battlesuit or do you plan as using it as a twin-linked missile launcher ????
(cause I only see a flamer and no extra hard-point systems, or off course the super glue run-out)

GrahamGilchrist
15-04-2008, 11:01
EDIT: I think you missing a weapon on you SMS battlesuit or do you plan as using it as a twin-linked missile launcher ????

You are correct, I am just using the XV81 as a twin linked missile pod. I didn't really want the extra rules from IA3.

In other news:

Hooray!!!!

I have finished construction on this army. Only painting from hereon out...

Here are some pics I did last night of my final commander (counts as farsight). I always like to leave the commander models until the end of building an army, as I reason by that point I have learned all the best tricks about how to construct that type of model.

Unfortunately the quality is a bit naff on the photos as I forgot to take one before spraying and the contrast on the black is hard to see, but there we go.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SAR4WalFypI/AAAAAAAAE6c/oEsJPVw9kJg/s400/51892533_Image140-001.jpg http://lh3.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SAR4balFyqI/AAAAAAAAE6g/aeb8lvWJrAE/s400/5189e63f_Image138.jpg

He is based on Shas'o R'myr (or shas'o BBC survival specialist as I like to call him) but with the dawn blade added from the farsight model and an arm/weapon swap to a single plasma rifle (you may have seen his twin PR utilised on an earlier crisis suit)

What do you guys think?

Bob Hunk
15-04-2008, 13:21
Ah, very nice, I like the running pose, and the Dawn Blade works well with the elongated shield. :)

TheShadow3s
15-04-2008, 15:52
Awesome work again. The pose on the commander looks really good, really looks like he's ready to kick some serious butt.

On the twin-linked missile launcher thing, I would do the same.
Why have a heavy weapon on your crisis suit, when the point is to keep them as mobile as possible ???

Slaaaaaanesh
15-04-2008, 16:46
I can't beleive in the last two weeks I have gone through about 6 bottles of superglue. It's costing me a small fortune!


I recommend popping down to poundland they sell packs of superglue (about 50mg) and the glue is no worse than other brands that I've used.

Also awesome battlesuits, keep it up!

Cdaws08
15-04-2008, 17:07
Wow!! This log is great. That secondary commander is my favorite

brambleten
15-04-2008, 17:44
the suits look good. now paint them :p

GrahamGilchrist
16-04-2008, 10:45
Hi everyone,
Started painting the Remoras last night:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SAXI5KlFysI/AAAAAAAAE64/90UbtoLIlMA/s400/56a5912f_Image142.jpg

As you can see, I do a layer of bleached bone before the orange to give the colour more depth and saturation than white. Also, the grey bits are the undercoat for the white weapons.

Also, here is a full army shot of everything I have built and am taking to the Damocles Gulf event. Hard to believe this is 2500pts!

http://lh5.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SAXI0qlFyrI/AAAAAAAAE7A/br66G-PM9Ro/s640/56a664d6_Image147.jpg

Valo
16-04-2008, 14:10
wow I never relished how small the remora's were until their sitting next to a battle suit............still love em though......And their looking good,One question,how do you get such an even finish on your white?

GrahamGilchrist
16-04-2008, 15:08
One question,how do you get such an even finish on your white?

Basically, with many thin layers. I always water down until the paint is a bit like the thickness of milk and then paint on. It looks awful the first couple of coats because it doesn't cover well and goes streaky, but after about 4-5 thin coats it looks great.

Valo
16-04-2008, 17:12
awsome,thanks.

TheShadow3s
16-04-2008, 20:14
As you can see, I do a layer of bleached bone before the orange to give the colour more depth and saturation than white. Also, the grey bits are the undercoat for the white weapons.

I'll try that one, will be usefull I use the orange for my shas'ui and stuff as rank markings hope it works ;).

QUOTE]Also, here is a full army shot of everything I have built and am taking to the Damocles Gulf event. Hard to believe this is 2500pts![[/QUOTE]

Not really when you see all tose guys deep striking in your lines XD (or coming out of the back of an orca w00t).

GrahamGilchrist
17-04-2008, 10:50
I'll try that one, will be usefull I use the orange for my shas'ui and stuff as rank markings hope it works ;).

Well I find it is useful to some extent for orange, but helps enormously with yellow, to use a bleached bone/bronzed flesh base coat. Painting the orange or yellow over black works if you have enough thin coats but somehow still seems a little 'dull'. Bleached bone seems to cover a lot better after several coats than yellow or orange.

Apologist
17-04-2008, 11:46
It's going to be a great-looking force once you've got the base colours on the remaining suits – it's already got a real elite feel from that army shot.

The remoras are looking cool as toast. I must confess I was a bit sceptical about the 'stick all the guns in the tau armoury on a frisbee and then give it some wings' approach to the model, but in context, it looks great. I presume you're using them as an escort (fluff-wise) for the Sunshine Bus ;), right?

Nice work, and I'm looking forward to sharing some panicked screams this weekend! :p

Bob Hunk
17-04-2008, 13:44
Nice work, and I'm looking forward to sharing some panicked screams this weekend! :p

There'll be no time for screaming, just a desperate hushed silence as we hurridly paint paint paint! :chrome:

Back on topic, that's a good start to the Remoras Graham, and it's nice to see the army shot too. I must do one of those soon.

GrahamGilchrist
17-04-2008, 14:40
I presume you're using them as an escort (fluff-wise) for the Sunshine Bus ;), right?

Yes indeed. It somehow seems apt to me. Being a farsight army on the fringes of space, they won't have access to large tau equipment like heavy aircraft (the orca is their one piece of heavy kit), so the Remoras fit the defense/escort role well. Using the folding wings, they can even (in background terms if not rules-wise) be carried in the orca and deployed out the back in mid-drop if it encounters any enemy interceptors.

I see them as a small cadre, part of Farsights larger force, but who operate largely in a hit and run fast strike capacity utilizing their drop suits and orca. They are a troubleshooting elite unit, dropped into flashpoints of fighting or into regions otherwise inaccessible for the rest of Farsight's forces.

GrahamGilchrist
18-04-2008, 10:22
Not much progress yesterday, but I have painted the bases of all the remaining models and basecoated the Remoras:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SAhonqlFytI/AAAAAAAAE7E/6t5mivY7XqE/s400/Image150.jpg

Hope to finish these tonight then on to the rest of the stealth team at the weekend!

The long painting slog begins....

zealot!
18-04-2008, 12:45
looking great all on the table. keep it up, you'll make it! :)

omricon
19-04-2008, 12:30
This army goes to show what a lot of superglue and patience gets you! Well done!

GrahamGilchrist
21-04-2008, 11:50
Ok, done a lot this weekend:

Finished the Remora base coats,
Done the stealth team
Started painting the Orca

I should be able to finish the Orca base colours in the next couple of days which leaves me free to do the 15 remaining crisis suits in 3.5 weeks!
I haven't done any pictures because I am only basecoating stuff to get it done in time for the event and frankly they look a bit naff.

I also need to make a flying base for the Orca. I have a thick transparent plastic tube which will do, but I need a base. Thinking of using a piece of wood (pine maybe?) cut into a circle to weigh it down.

Anyone got any experience with flying stands for heavy FW models or other suggestions?

TheShadow3s
21-04-2008, 13:34
You should be able to get one of those round circular thingy's (for your flyers) at those real art foccused stores, they build/order/get such things there.

And maybe if you have an old lightbulb standard (forgot the enlish word sorry), you could use the base as they aer similair in colour and are less likely to fall over.

GrahamGilchrist
22-04-2008, 13:21
You should be able to get one of those round circular thingy's (for your flyers) at those real art foccused stores, they build/order/get such things there.

This sounds interesting, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean...

I got fed up last night trying to make an Orca stand. I don't want it to be any larger than 120mmx160mm as it has to fit on the table between scenery and other models. The problem is finding a base heavy enough that it won't topple over...
I am thinking of using concrete as a base and then detailing over the top.

What do people use for their thunderhawk bases usually? They must be equally as heavy.

Malant
22-04-2008, 13:47
Grahm i dont know if youve thought of this but why not try something like this

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii217/Ravener14/untitled.jpg

its a semi small base but it uses two suppport polls, id make the base wooden with hollow brass rods that way there mor stable then solid ones
I hope this helps you ,
-Malant

Slaaaaaanesh
22-04-2008, 14:26
This sounds interesting, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean...

I think that TheShadow3s meant an anglepoise lamp. They are usually weighted at the base, and the lamp can usually be removed so that you san slot a similar tube in it's stead.

I guess that you could have a look on ebay and find one that you could collect locally.

Alternatively, buy a wooden board, cut to the size that you want (Homebase can cut it for you for free I think!), buy some fishing weights etc... glue them around the base and then texture over them.

sheck2
22-04-2008, 15:29
What do people use for their thunderhawk bases usually? They must be equally as heavy.

Graham,

I fabricated the following base for my scratchbuilt orca...

* 1x 6" 1/4" diameter carriage bolt (they have carriage bolts as long as 10"...so the length is up to you).
* 4x nuts for above bolt
* 4x washers for above
* 1x 2"x2" 1/8" styrene sheet
* 2x pieces of 6"x8" 1/4" styrene sheet


This may sound (write) complicated but it is very easy to execute...

- drill a 1/4" hole into Orca about 2" deep. Route hole to fir washer so it would be flush with orca bottom. Route the hole deep enough and wide enough to fit the nuts. The hole is to allow 2" of the carriage bolt to go into the model, then have the two nuts and washer be inside the orca.
- attach the nuts to the carriage bolt and center/ align the carraige bolt to the hole in orca. How deep you want it.
- using greenstuff and superglue - carefully glue the nuts into the orca and then the washer on top of them...glue each to each other too - make sure you do NOT glue the carraige bolt to the nuts as you want to be able to remove the carriage bolt.

- at this point you have - (from external to internal) - a washer flush with orca bottom, a nut, a nut, and a penetration larger enough to accomdate the carriage bolt to whatever depth you wanted...to have the orca at the hieght you want it at.

- cut a hole into the 2"x2" 1/8" styrene sheet large enough for the carriage bolt to fit thru.
- attach (glue) the 2"x2" 1/8" styrene sheet to the Orca aligning all holes so the carriage bolt can go thru and screw into the nuts.
- glue a washer then another nut to the outside durface of the 2"x2" 1/8" styrene sheet. Again ensure this aligned to allow carriage bolt to screw thru all of them.

- at this point you have - (from external to internal) - a nut glued to washer, a washer glued to 2"x2" 1/8" styrene sheet, a 2"x2" 1/8" styrene sheet glued to the bottom of the orca, a washer glued into the orca and flush with orca bottom glued to the 2"x2" 1/8" styrene sheet above it, a nut glued into the orca and glued the washer above it and the nut beneath, a nut glued to the orca and glued to teh nut above it, and a penetration larger enough to accommadate the carriage bolt to whatever depth you wanted... :)

- All of this is to provide the strength and rigidity to allow the orca to be secure on the stand and accommadate the stress, strain, and torque of 'unscrewing' and 'screwing' it on...

- now you will attach the bottom of the carriage bolt to the larger styrene sheets. I placed one sheet down, glued the carriage bolt to it, then placed awasher - gluing it to the carraige bolt and then to another styrene sheet above it. Another technique is to run the bolt thru the base and route out the carriage bolt top so it is flush with the bottom of the base.
- I then filled the space between both styrene sheets with two-component epoxy ('construction grade greenstuff'...you can buy 6 oz. for $3 at a hardware store - it's just like greenstuff but hardens in 3-5 minutes).

- Now you have a weighted base with a carraige bolt sticking out of it...that you can screw your orca (or any other scracthbuilt) onto...

Decorate base....

GrahamGilchrist
22-04-2008, 16:12
Grahm i dont know if youve thought of this but why not try something like this

Thats an idea. I have thought of multiple supporting rods, but I'm not a fan of the look personally, although I may have to go that way to support it.


I think that TheShadow3s meant an anglepoise lamp. They are usually weighted at the base, and the lamp can usually be removed so that you can slot a similar tube in it's stead.

Ah, I see. Now that's quite a good idea, The base is about the right size and shape and I can glue a replacement rod in place of the anglepoise bit. The question is where can I get one cheaply and quickly (in the next week or so). I'll have to look around the loft as there might be an old one lying around somewhere.


Alternatively, buy a wooden board, cut to the size that you want (Homebase can cut it for you for free I think!), buy some fishing weights etc... glue them around the base and then texture over them.

Now this was actually close to my current plan. I have some board for the base, but the question is: What can I get hold of easily (i.e. B&Q etc.) that is heavy enough to glue to this to hold the orca up? How heavy are fishing weights and where do I get them? (a fishing shop?)


* 1x 6" 1/4" diameter carriage bolt (they have carriage bolts as long as 10"...so the length is up to you).
*snip explanation*


Lol. I think I just about followed that ;)
This sounds a good idea also. Where does one obtain carriage bolts? the only problem I see with this solution is that the styrene sheet base is not weighted enough to stop the whole linked thing from toppling over? Or are you saying that the carriage bolt itself provides this weight?

Malant
22-04-2008, 18:08
http://warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38031&d=1208870646

if the link doesnt work oh well,
Why not just remove the lamp and use the whole thing so you can change the orcas position and every thing?

TheShadow3s
22-04-2008, 21:28
I think that TheShadow3s meant an anglepoise lamp. They are usually weighted at the base, and the lamp can usually be removed so that you san slot a similar tube in it's stead.

I guess that you could have a look on ebay and find one that you could collect locally.

Alternatively, buy a wooden board, cut to the size that you want (Homebase can cut it for you for free I think!), buy some fishing weights etc... glue them around the base and then texture over them.


Exactly, just couldn't come up with the word, and I even searched wikipedia and E-bay for the name but couldn't find it.

I have something very similair to such a lamp, which I can disconnect the ''main standard'' form the base, so I was thinking you might use something like that.
Perfect circle prefabricated and all.

Sorry about the confusion just couldn't get the word in english.

And about the arty stores I was reffering to, near the city I live they have this store which sells ''art supplies'' actually it just sells all kinds of random things, including these round shaped wooden boards ussualy seen on the base of flyers.

So my best guess is to visit a ''art supply'' store. and see if they have the correct size. (I recently bought one, until I discoverd they did not accept my credit card XD at forgeworld, goodbye hopes and dream of a phoenix flyers. For now :evilgrin:..........)

Hope this helps,

Greetings TheShadow3s.

GrahamGilchrist
22-04-2008, 22:59
Both of these are great ideas.

I had a look at angle poise lamps on ebay, but the cheapest ones seem to go for at least 25 which is a bit too much for something which is going to end up mostly junked! Would be great if I see one second hand somehwere but might take a while to find one.

I actually went looking for one of the round wooden plaque bases you describe tonight, but the store was shut by the time I got there :( Guess I'll have to try again at the weekend, but I think this might be the solution.

Slaaaaaanesh
23-04-2008, 09:52
Now this was actually close to my current plan. I have some board for the base, but the question is: What can I get hold of easily (i.e. B&Q etc.) that is heavy enough to glue to this to hold the orca up? How heavy are fishing weights and where do I get them? (a fishing shop?)

Well I said fishing weights as I guess that they would be small enough to dott around the base to give weight all round and be easily hidden. I reckon a fishing shop might..........I know weights from a diving shop would be good! (though I appreciate that there might not be one nearby! :p) The one pictured weighs 3lbs and are pretty flat.

Valo
23-04-2008, 18:21
I Know this may sound a bit brutal(due to teh drilling involved,but at home depot,and numerous other stores,I've bought acrylic rod,its see trough and really strong,and you can get it up to 3/4 round,so its pretty large,then drill a hole in the bottom the orca,and into your base...and stick er on there,don't even have to glude it to the orca.....just a suggestion.

I've done it with a few thunderbolt before,and their pretty hefty buggers.

razormasticator
23-04-2008, 18:31
These Tau are great. Nice paint and weathering.

GrahamGilchrist
25-04-2008, 13:18
A couple of pics in the update today.
I've started painting everything, but because it's all base coats it looks a bit poo right now, but what the hey, I'm subjecting you to WIP shots anyway :)

Orca progress:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SBHMxnFrIAI/AAAAAAAAE7Q/sN0-OBRZttU/s400/Image154.jpg http://lh4.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SBHNU3FrIBI/AAAAAAAAE7w/vCW5Wva9GzY/s400/Image152.jpg

It's coming along, but looks a bit comical at the moment with such bright colours. Hopefully the ink washes on the silver and the orange/black highlighting will fix that.

TheShadow3s
25-04-2008, 15:40
It looks nice, a bit bright, but nice.
I have a very positive feeling about the orca, it looks real fast response tau-ish :D

Lord Blood the Hungry
25-04-2008, 17:19
awesome.
the orca will be amazing when finished.
nice to see you resisted the urge to go to town with the orange (i would not have had the will power)

GrahamGilchrist
06-05-2008, 10:50
Hi guys, sorry for the radio silence recently. I have been having to move house (boo) and frantically paint base colours on things.
Anyway, I have a couple of photos for today. Sorry about the quality again, it's on my cameraphone as I've not yet unpacked my proper camera.

Firstly, the flying Orca:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SCAnXHFrICI/AAAAAAAAE8U/lPC-CKPhLM4/s400/Image160.jpg

In the end I went for a wooden elliptical base, made from oak. This has a 12mm iron tube from B&Q mounted into it to hold the Orca.

And then, the first crisis suits basecoated:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SCAnbnFrIDI/AAAAAAAAE8o/HgHQ87d3sCg/s400/bda3547f_Image163.jpg

What I have left to do:
base coat 13 crisis suits in 8 evenings and 1 and a half days...

Then, after the event, highlight and detail everything.

razormasticator
06-05-2008, 14:31
Everything looks bad assed! No doubt. Great work here.

TheShadow3s
06-05-2008, 16:13
still looking bad-ass if you ask me, dunno if it's the camera phone quality but have you started highlighting hte orca yet ?

GrahamGilchrist
06-05-2008, 16:41
still looking bad-ass if you ask me, dunno if it's the camera phone quality but have you started highlighting the orca yet ?

I did a little of the orange on the top, but most of that will happen later. I'm going for base coats on everything first :)

omricon
06-05-2008, 18:45
this looks amazing! I cant wait to see this army altogether. I wish I could see it in person :)

TheShadow3s
06-05-2008, 21:05
I did a little of the orange on the top, but most of that will happen later. I'm going for base coats on everything first

As I thought, nice looking standard btw, forgot to mention it.
Seems to me like it's going to stall to drop of some troops, really action packed that position.

Lord Blood the Hungry
10-05-2008, 18:08
my chin hurts. it hit the table dueing an involuntary jaw dropping moment as i scrolled down and saw how awesome the orca looks now it is base coated and flying. crisis suits look (for want of a better phrase) "bad ass". thios army just looks better and better as every new addition gets painted.

GrahamGilchrist
12-05-2008, 17:14
Update time!
I got quite lot done at the weekend, despite going paintballing all of saturday for a stag do.

Got 5 crisis suits done and started the two commanders.

Here is a pic of the suits I finished basecoating, with Warseer's very own Apologist (http://warseer.com/forums/member.php?u=11253) painting his AdMech in the background :)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SChtIM9QT7I/AAAAAAAAE9E/TduK6Ve_9kA/s400/Image168.jpg

Details:

Two Monat suits:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SChu389QT8I/AAAAAAAAE9g/EFmNpPI590k/s400/ddf24e5f_Image168-001.jpg

TL Missile pod team:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SChvE89QT9I/AAAAAAAAE9k/8A6w1TpgK-k/s400/ddf3a65f_Image168-002.jpg

This means I now have left to do by next weekend:
finish 2 commanders
6 full crisis suits

Cassarus
12-05-2008, 17:44
good work, and good luck finishing it!
I look forward to futher updates.

Cheers

omricon
12-05-2008, 18:21
almost there... stay on target... almost there...

TheShadow3s
12-05-2008, 19:28
Really nice painting as usual :D. Hell I didn't know apologist was on of your friends, love his work to btw.

Don't know if it belongs here, but don't you think the airbursting frag launcher sucks a bit (game wise).

sartarius
12-05-2008, 21:05
just went through all the pages and my i say...your work is fantastic

im sooooo temptin to start tau thanks to you :)

GrahamGilchrist
13-05-2008, 12:48
More updates:

Base colour finished on the two commanders, just need silver details now to make them game-legal :)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SCmCNc9QUBI/AAAAAAAAE-Q/v2AMpOVO0K0/s400/Image169.jpg

Close-up of the farsight-equivalent commander:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SCmCNc9QUCI/AAAAAAAAE-Y/6toV1-jMxRw/s288/Image170.jpg

The regular Shas'o:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SCmCNc9QUDI/AAAAAAAAE-g/el_JbuDXpzI/s288/Image171.jpg

The orange appears quite strong in the photos, but it is not that bad in real life :-) Plus, when I highlight it will tone it down an awful lot.
What do you think?

Apologist
13-05-2008, 14:00
Wow Commander Shortsight ;) looks awesome that orange banding gives him a real presence.

The white guy looks good too, but I think I'd try to work a bit more orange on there. At the moment, the knee is the focal point. P'raps the T'au symbols and head could be orange?

garinator
13-05-2008, 15:10
heh I really like the color scheme. Reminds me of Rick Hunters Valkyrie at the start of Robotech!

brambleten
13-05-2008, 15:36
arent they already legal colours? they both have 3 colours on them

GrahamGilchrist
13-05-2008, 16:02
The white guy looks good too, but I think I'd try to work a bit more orange on there. At the moment, the knee is the focal point. P'raps the T'au symbols and head could be orange?

I hear you. I thought the exact same thing when I finished him. I will definitely do this in more detail after the event, although he doesn't actually have any T'au symbols on him :)
I think I'll add some orange bands to the legs and shoulder pads


heh I really like the color scheme. Reminds me of Rick Hunters Valkyrie at the start of Robotech!

Thanks. Never seen robotech unfotunately but I am reliably informed of it's coolness :p


arent they already legal colours? they both have 3 colours on them

Well, yes, I wasn't sure if black counted :) I'd like to pop the boltgun metal on before the event just as it gives the model a bit more definition.

TheShadow3s
13-05-2008, 17:04
Well about he orange, I think it supposed too look that strong.

Still these guys are the incarnation of awesome if you ask me, the lwhit suits looks like on of those fluff shas'O really nice look.

On the O'shovah one, Awesome with the orange, sets it on the same side as other models and still looks awesome. And if you'll paint the metal part it's going ot even more awesome.

Overall I'd rate the painting so far a 9/10, you really inspired me with both those suits.
If I'll get my hands on one of those FW suits I would most certainley paint it in between your both commanders (if it's ok with you though), ie the white suits with heavy orange markings.

omricon
13-05-2008, 18:34
thats a lot of painting in a short space of time!

Comrade Wraith
13-05-2008, 19:21
Just looked through the whole thread.

I'm speechless, your skill is beyond....skill...

The Orca is particularly awesome

GrahamGilchrist
04-06-2008, 10:36
Hi guys, just a quick update.
I am still working on this army. I took it to the Damocles Gulf event a couple of weeks ago, and managed to finish all the basecoats in time :)
I got 2 wins and 3 losses, so thats not too bad, especially considering it was a trial by fire and i had never played the army or used flyers before :D

Here is a photo of the whole army laid out at warhammer world:


More updates will be coming soon as I start to highlight and detail the whole army.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/grahamgilchrist/SEZR_2nUVaI/AAAAAAAAE_E/aB7ZAmSmVJM/s640/P1000701.jpg