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mjc1000
16-04-2007, 18:01
this is a thread for the race u hate the most not the most unpopular so get clicking i vote nids because they ate my templar crusade with ease not to mension riping my chaplin into 3 pieces

kaimarion
16-04-2007, 18:05
I hate MARINES
My chaos never have a good fight against them

then again necrons warriors can take down a titan,

Lord Cook
16-04-2007, 18:20
Marines. If I can't fire a plasma gun without an entirely unhealthy chance of the guardsman in question frying himself, I don't see why anyone should be able to.


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manitoujoe
16-04-2007, 18:24
Hopefully the new SM balance will bring them back in line with the rest of the game. The DA and BT books are a step in that direction, I think.

meta-ridley
16-04-2007, 18:35
chaos, specifically death guard cos' my brother's are a pain in the ass to kill. Grrr :mad:

mjc1000
16-04-2007, 19:25
I have to say marines do ge boring after a while because they are just to easy to use thats why i swichthed to guard for a while they are more of a challenge but i like the tanks;)

bratbag
16-04-2007, 19:28
Necrons.

From their 'my special rules are better than your special rules' rules to the god-damn res-orb that near totally negates what is supposed to be one of their weaknesses.

Maarten
16-04-2007, 19:29
As a Guard player I naturally have a hatred towards anything remotely mutant, heretical or xeno.

:p

mjc1000
16-04-2007, 19:37
As a Guard player I naturally have a hatred towards anything remotely mutant, heretical or xeno.

:p

me to but that sounded heritical -draws power sword swipes his head off- i love commisars and there summary execution and then they run themselves:wtf: wouldnt they kill them selves?

Bloodthirster90
16-04-2007, 19:38
I hate Tau, purely for their "Jump in, shoot stuff and jump back in one turn before I get in range" tactic.
grr.

bratbag
16-04-2007, 19:39
me to but that sounded heritical -draws power sword swipes his head off- i love commisars and there summary execution and then they run themselves:wtf: wouldnt they kill them selves?


Are you high or just letting your cat type for you?

mjc1000
16-04-2007, 19:39
What is so bad about tau other then there battle suits which i hae a burning fire of hatered for when they go - jump out of cover blow ur tank up- -jump back in cover so we cant get shot- tha rule really annoys me especially when they destroy my lrc :mad: :chrome:

Marcel
16-04-2007, 19:41
chaos, because why play chaos space marines when you can have fearless warriors that are way better for a few more points? i also hate space marines, and space marine players, theyre all the same. all of them.

mjc1000
16-04-2007, 19:41
Are you high or just letting your cat type for you?

:eyebrows: my cats to lazy to even stop sleeping sometimes she dosent even eat food so how could she type!:rolleyes:

mjc1000
16-04-2007, 19:42
chaos, because why play chaos space marines when you can have fearless warriors that are way better for a few more points? i also hate space marines, and space marine players, theyre all the same. all of them.

im a sm player and i know what you mean but no not all are like that

Onisuzume
16-04-2007, 20:53
I hate Tau, purely for their "Jump in, shoot stuff and jump back in one turn before I get in range" tactic.
grr.
QFT

Seriously, I hate that.

i vote nids because they ate my templar crusade with ease not to mension riping my chaplin into 3 pieces
Hint...
'nids are a cc army, and pretty good at it.
So templars are doomed to die against them.
Just should teach you not to play with heretics.

Oh, and for good record; I've had a flyrant raking in 3× it's worth in points against marines.

Stella Cadente
16-04-2007, 20:59
Dark Eldar, terrible models, worse fluff

the_crazy_russian
16-04-2007, 21:03
Necrons, not because I think they're unbalanced or anything, but because I just have horrbile luck against them. I don't know if I've been cursed by the C'tan or what, but whenever I play against them, for every 4 I kill 1 actually stays dead.

As to marines, go easy on them. They are by no means unbeatable or unbalanced. I play marines and have been defeated, and have used tactics beyond 'grab cover and shoot' or 'get to the enemy and break their heads'. Likewise, I've handed many a marine player their ass with my World Eaters.

philbrad2
16-04-2007, 21:05
I hate MARINES
My chaos never have a good fight against them

then again necrons warriors can take down a titan,

You obviously weren't around when we fought the EoT campaign then :)

I don't hate any 40K race to be honest all have their interesting elements and all fit well together. A number I don't like 'as much' but nothing I'd not say I hate.

DE's are a very challenging army to play well and as our own Medusa V DE faction proved, in the right hands the DE are a damned potent army.

PhilB
:chrome:

Son of Makuta
16-04-2007, 21:10
I voted Marines. Close call for Tau and Guard - I hate gunlines with a passion - but Marines are even worse because they're so often played as a gunline disguised behind a bunch of Land Speeders et al, zipping around assault cannoning me... *grinds teeth*

Edit: Dammit, why didn't I read the post mentioning the resurrection orb before I posted?! *slaps self* OK, Marines and Necrons. Come to mention it, Necrons are usually played (and are designed to be played) the same way as those goddamn Marines are!

insectum7
16-04-2007, 21:26
I hate Space Wolves, not for rules or anything, just their whole fluff really irritates me. Actually, f that, 13th company must be the lamest list out there. Vikng warewolves in space.. really now! The Blood Angels vampirism thing is pretty hokey too.

Personal taste though, not that they should be removed from the game or anything, not that they should be changed much either... I just don't like em. The new codexes have been pretty good about the fluff and the rules, so I look forward to the subtle evolution of these lists.

I didn't vote.

vlorlich
16-04-2007, 21:27
I play Necrons and to a lesser extent Chaos and IG. (Though my IG just got drafted into the Inquisition by my wifes WH army)

I dislike Space Marines the most. I have played most of my games against one SM army or another and meh. Just sick of them. It appears to me that they have the absolutely most balanced army for any situation. Sure... someone can write up a terrible list and sure... I know your game is mostly tactics and die rolling but eventually the versitility starts showing itself for well written lists.

I realize people hate Necrons and I would imagine that its mostly because of the WBB rule. It seems to me that its primarily those people who don't understand how the rule works... at least with people I have played. I go to game stores and when I hear people whine about Necrons it just makes me laugh now. I try to educate people I play, explaining how the WBB actually works and yes it may make life harder for me when they learn but normally they get this 'oh!' look on their face. My wife is ruthless against Necrons, she knows how WBB works and I have to be very careful with her or she eliminates entire units as a time. 'Force as many WBBs as you can and you will phase them out.' its what she says and does as often as possible.

anyhow!

ash_wednesday
16-04-2007, 21:31
As a gaurd player, I hate all xeno scums but I choose the Tau as the most.

Champsguy
16-04-2007, 21:45
I hate the Necrons. Not because of their special rules, but because of their shoehorned-in background. Crappy retcons bother me.

"Oh, we're really this ancient terrible race that is older than all others. Everything that you thought you knew about your army is wrong - we're behind it all. We're totally older and wiser than Eldar."

"Dude, your army was created in like, 1998."

"Nope nope nope. C'Tan are badass. Older than all. Fear our mighty power."

"Dude, you were shoehorned into the fluff. Your army didn't even exist like 10 years ago. You're a bunch of Terminator ripoffs. I mean, the C'Tan are even made of liquid metal."

"FEAR our power! C'Tan soooooo mighty. Die, fleshlings!"

Kahadras
16-04-2007, 21:51
What a suprise that Marines is topping the list at the moment. :rolleyes:

Personaly I don't like Necrons. I always feel that the army is a bit flat and could really do with a bit of 'spicing up'. Most Necron armies consist of a vast bunch of warriors (to prevent phase out) and a Lord with a res. orb. Then just add in a Monolith and some destroyers/heavy destroyers.

At least Marine lists actualy contain some variety (let's not get confuse with 'competitive' list here). With the Necron codex far too much stuff just picks itself. I've never seen a Necron army that had any of the more exotic units (Immortals, Pariahs etc).

Kahadras

jfrazell
16-04-2007, 22:29
[QUOTE=insectum7;1476466]I hate Space Wolves, not for rules or anything, just their whole fluff really irritates me. Actually, f that, 13th company must be the lamest list out there. Vikng warewolves in space.. really now! The Blood Angels vampirism thing is pretty hokey too.
QUOTE]

Sinner! Blasphemer! marines represent the Big Three in 1930's horror monsters

werewolves: space wolves
vampires: blood angels
undead/unkillable undead: 1K sons / deathguard

I'm still waiting on the Creatures from the Black Lagoon Chapter.

The Laughing God
16-04-2007, 22:33
I hate Space Marines!

They get boring to play after a while, and it seems that everyone plays them. I like the models though.

Askari
16-04-2007, 22:35
I had to vote Daemon/Witch Hunters.

Shouldn't really be an excuse for those - specialist - armies, who excel vs. one opponent and have tons of pointless wargear vs. the others.

I see it as a push if they'd have put all three Ordos in one book.. but no, they made 2 for just 2 of them. Pfft!

Killgore
16-04-2007, 22:36
i dislike space marines the most

everyone has them... even me

any army without a 3+ save makes a far better game, then weapons like Scatter Lasers become more usefull as theres no zoggin 3+ save!

dont you just hate it when a space marine player maxs out on Heavy Bolters then rubs it in ya face because he knows your playing as a non 3+ save army? and especialy when they have the cheak to complain about starcannons

Great Harlequin
16-04-2007, 22:38
Probably Tau. Fragile as Tau can be, I do find JSJ rather tiresome sometimes - much rather be dropping from the skies in a Drop Pod or fleeting through terrain with hordes of Tyranids. Get out there, take some damage - I find challenging games lots more fun, particularly when you get a win out of them.

AllSystemsGo
16-04-2007, 22:48
Hate is a strong word, but I really really really don't like Tau.

Thoth62
16-04-2007, 22:48
I hate the Tau! If you really want to know part of the reason you can look at the_crazy_russian's sig. Mobile tau really tear apart my TS. I don't really have problems with gunline tau, but as soon as they take a couple crisis suits and stealth suits, I'm screwed...

scratchbuilt
16-04-2007, 22:52
Well Space marines, because being the most typical troop they skew the game too much, making gaurd armour pointless and making rending or plasma a neacessity.
But I like their style, models and fluff, its just their balance.

Also DE. Too reliant on super characters and the models have issues. Too many spikes, too tall hats, and look too much like a warhammer fantasy army. The warriors aren't terrible just not special, no unique style. The transports look good though.

Necron models need more love..

RampagingRavener
16-04-2007, 23:02
I don't really hate any race. Space Marines can get a little bit wearing at times, and Chaos has some...exploitable...unit selections and combinations, but all races have their up points to stop them being hated.

Every time someone says they hate Dark Eldar though, a little peice of me dies inside. :(

Eldoriath
16-04-2007, 23:07
Marines, by the pure reason that nearly 1/3 of all players play them. Sure, they have some cool fluff, models and stuff. But it gets so tiresome when so many plays them. There are like 10 armies (counting the 2 ordos as one, all marine variants as one, all chaos variants as one and etc) so the number should be 1/10, not 3/10. And counting in CSM, which i often tend to do when talking about marine players, the number goes up to 4/9 of all players, that's almost half of them, not 1/5 of them as should be.

Oh, and if anyone wonders where these numbers come from it's from an old survey made on played armies, and the total number of armies included in the survey was 715, so i think it gives a pretty good pointer.

Feran
16-04-2007, 23:11
Easy, necrons by a foot. Tau come in 2nd.

Hicks
16-04-2007, 23:21
I absolutely hate the Tau. The darn things seem to be able to ignore too much rules to my liking. They can shoot missiles without having line of sight, markerlights ignore cover saves, they can move after shooting. If that wasn't enough, they are extremely hard to kill with their drones, stealth and gazilion invulnerable saves and tank upgrades. But most of all, I hate them because they can pop my Leman Russes like they were made out of paper.

Overlord Krycis
16-04-2007, 23:25
Just out of curiosity...how could you "hate" any of the armies, seems a little too emotionally involved TBH...

Having said that, I dislike Armoured Companies...playing as Death Guard has some major drawbacks...:cries:

cailus
16-04-2007, 23:34
I hate the Imperial Guard with a passion mainly thanks to the idiotic writings of Dan Abnett. While his work on Ravenor or the Horus Heresy stuff has been briliiant, his Gaunt's Ghosts series is total trash. People call it a realistic portrayal of warfare, yet all I see is Rambo/G.I. Joe drivel. Every page of action sees the each Ghost wipe out numerous enemies all on their own. Gaunt himself must've killed the equivalent of the current population of Earth. The Gaunts also seem to be superior than 10,000 year old Chaos Marines and in fact every single Chaos trooper they've encountered is an incompetent retarded twit compared to even the scrawniest of Ghosts.

Mr Abnett shows a total and utter lack of understanding of warfare and the Gaunt's Ghosts series makes Steven Segal movies seem realistic in comparison.

Second reason I hate the Guard is that every nearly IG player I've met uses the same cookie-cutter lists and the same dull and boring stand and shoot tactics. Basically the recipe seems to be to load up on ordnance and heavy weapons at the expense of any sort of mobility and to stand and shoot. I remember one IG player being excited because he actually had to move a unit!

They also seem to be always chose to play on the most terrain free boards they can find so their boring stand and shoot armies have nice fields of fire.

So I hate the Guard. Nothing brings me more pleasure than either thrashing a Guard player personally or watching one get thrashed by someone else.

==Me==
16-04-2007, 23:55
I don't hate any armies, but if I had to pick a least favorite it would be panzees.

I've never liked elves or their equivalents, mostly because of this:

"zomg, were so emo cuz our ancestors and tradgedy and blah blah blah"

Plus, it always seems that the Eldar players are the ones who moan and gripe the most (grumble, grumble marines grumble, grumble) and tend to be the most elitist and marine/noob-hating.

Tau come in at a close second, for similar reasons (Tau aren't good guys)

alex03
16-04-2007, 23:59
I voted tau. No army should have a basic str 5 gun. Not even the tau. Plus their rail guns are way too cheap and way too effective. Don't like their suits, don't look like they belong in 40k. Background wise they developed way to quickly to be so powerfull. How many tau can their actually be in the universe with only like 3 core planets? Stuff like that.

Crassus
17-04-2007, 00:34
i voted nids because most people i've seen field godzilla armies which are to tough to kill or huge horde armies where you get swamped over before gunfire and/or assault units can even take down 1/4 of the army

Thommy H
17-04-2007, 00:44
How many tau can their actually be in the universe with only like 3 core planets?

It's the Eastern Fringe: big fish, small pond. The point is that if you're fighthing your battles where Tau live (and to be fighting Tau you'd have to be, since they don't have the technology to go very far) then they're a big deal. Obviously they mean diddly squat in the Gothic Sector or around the Eye of Terror, but you could say the same of any race - there's always going to be some places they don't thrive (ok...Orks might be the exception...).

Back on topic: I've never been even slightly interested in Eldar. No desire to collect them, no real interest in their background. They just don't do it for me. Maybe they're too much of a fantasy race placed in a sci-fi setting for me - I mean, they really are just elves, right down to the 'fading glory in a universe that has moved on' thing. They even have 'evil perverted kin who live underground...uh...in the webway...' It's a straight lift from D&D (or almost any other high fantasy setting you care to name). At least Orks are orcs with a slight spin with all their crazy biology and Kults of Speed.

D.soul
17-04-2007, 00:45
eldar and necrons... I just can't win them... Tau are to easily to win....

Comrade JC
17-04-2007, 00:49
Had to vote Tau. Think a good idea might be hiding behind there somewhere but to me a lot of the suits look like they belong in an anime or a much more enlightened universe than 40k is set. That and I dislike how the Tau are so young and yet as or more sophisticated technology (rules not fluff) wise then the Eldar. The 30" basic gun irks me too. If a gaunt is built to feasibly run the entire range of a basic weapon (24") in a turn eveyone should suffer the same.

Crassus
17-04-2007, 00:50
Back on topic: I've never been even slightly interested in Eldar... Maybe they're too much of a fantasy race placed in a sci-fi setting for me - I mean, they really are just elves...

in old 40k (i'm talking about the original stuff years back) they were called space elves but games workshop will probaly deny (sorry if spelling is wrong) it, along with space dwarfs and the squats (they existed and i have seen the models to prove it!!!)

Acolyte of Bli'l'ab
17-04-2007, 00:53
to necron haters..

we hate you too, you fleshy things you :P

Twaun007
17-04-2007, 00:55
in old 40k (i'm talking about the original stuff years back) they were called space elves but games workshop will probaly deny (sorry if spelling is wrong) it, along with space dwarfs and the squats (they existed and i have seen the models to prove it!!!)

Yup, I still have old WD's that have adds that advetise them as space elves and space dwarfs.

Aundae
17-04-2007, 00:55
I voted Necron because it is really disheartening to blow 20 of them away just so they can say, “Ha ha I am within a few inches of this unit (rolls dice) and look 19 get back up, how does that make you feel.” Tau are second because of the jump out, shoot, jump back bit.

Thommy H
17-04-2007, 00:58
Yeah, obviously. I get that they're supposed to be elves in space - their name is even taken from Tolkien's elves - this is not a problem for me on general principle. But look at it this way: Space Marines, in many respects, are like medieval knights, but not every aspect of their background and imagery has an analogue in chivalry or knighthood. Their story reflects the gothic background of the 40K universe, whereas the Eldar are just a direct translaption of 'fantasy elves' shaped to fit into a sci-fi universe.

If Squats can get kicked out of the background because they're too much like fantasy dwarves, what's so special about Eldar?

cailus
17-04-2007, 01:29
That and I dislike how the Tau are so young and yet as or more sophisticated technology (rules not fluff) wise then the Eldar.

But note that in some aspects that human technology of the 21st century totally outclasses it's 41st millenium counterparts. Tanks and jet aircraft come to mind.

sabre4190
17-04-2007, 01:48
Hmmmm. Im finding alot of difficulty responding question. Why? I love just about every race. Nids can eat everything. Marines are just cool (god i think ive wanted to make at least every chapter once, including a garro list). Chaos is nasty, eldar aspect warriors rock, Ig can really have alot of character if done well, and nothing even needs to be said of orks. So who does that leave out? Dark eldar. While the incubi and character models look great, the basic infantry just don't. The models are clearly outdated and need some serious revamping. Until GW improves the dark eldar, the race reigns as my least fave (i still cant say i hate them).

Krog Ironclaw
17-04-2007, 05:26
I voted tau. No army should have a basic str 5 gun. Not even the tau. Plus their rail guns are way too cheap and way too effective. Don't like their suits, don't look like they belong in 40k. Background wise they developed way to quickly to be so powerfull. How many tau can their actually be in the universe with only like 3 core planets? Stuff like that.


Had to vote Tau. Think a good idea might be hiding behind there somewhere but to me a lot of the suits look like they belong in an anime or a much more enlightened universe than 40k is set. That and I dislike how the Tau are so young and yet as or more sophisticated technology (rules not fluff) wise then the Eldar.

The Tau are so advanced because they have not had a history frought with Dark Ages and **** like Terra has. They havent had the little mishap of losing their advanced technology like the blundering humans managed to do. They are probably at a similair level of technology as the humans were before they screwed up and invented AI...

I voted Necrons btw.

deathwing_marine
17-04-2007, 05:41
I had to vote Tau. Jump out, shoot, jump back: lame. I'd love to see 2 crisis suit armies go at it, because everyone would constantly be in cover.
The railgun is ridiculously good too. Plus, I find the tanks ugly and the battlesuits look like theyre made of cardboard boxes.

The running jokes at my shop were that Ta'lissera = gay marriage and that Tau have vaginas on their foreheads :p

Surgency
17-04-2007, 05:49
Chaos. Their daemons recycle when I'm trying to purge them with the holy flame of the emperors word.

Alsiaie
17-04-2007, 06:26
Chaos. Their daemons recycle when I'm trying to purge them with the holy flame of the emperors word.

Best Designers' Note ever. GKs are unbalanced and to equal the battlefield, daemons must gain sustained attack!

Dark Apostle197
17-04-2007, 06:32
Chaos. Their daemons recycle when I'm trying to purge them with the holy flame of the emperors word.

Whats this? A member of the Inquisition complaining about killing more daemons? Heresy...

RavenMorpheus
17-04-2007, 06:41
Erm forgive me for saying so but what's the point in this thread - we all hate races we constantly or badly lose to, it's a fact of gaming so what? I don't go starting a poll every time I lose to my mates SM army.

Lancaster
17-04-2007, 07:05
Marines, for the sole reason that I play Necrons, and fighting them is basically fighting an army exactly like yours EXCEPT it has heavy weapons...

Also, I think the Assault Cannon is a tad underpriced, but that's a different qualm for a different thread (ie one of the 5000 dedicated to hating them :P)

Griffin
17-04-2007, 07:07
I don't hate any race - But Damn I hate it when a bunch of necrons get back up.

Alx_152
17-04-2007, 07:24
I voted marines.
Everyone plays them, and I hate las/plas combo's. Definitetly non-fluffy and powergaming.

Ianos
17-04-2007, 09:23
Marines hands down, not so directed to the players but to the design and attention itself. We are talking about the race that has imbalanced the game more than anything ever. They get everything better, cheaper and more versatile than any other race, they get traits, they get the best weapon in the game for no real cost. Everyone and their brother, sister, uncle and grandma has at least one marine army. The metagame got screwed because of them, the people cannot play nothing but anti-marine and xenos players are getting more disgusted by the second. Really now, whenever i see somebody starting a marine army i say "why? is there no other race to choose from?" and they all go along the line of "but they are superhuman soldiers and they are so brave and blah blah blah".
As for the players, at least in my area, no other player can be as childish as a marine player, and they just hate anyone that can deny them their precious armor save no matter what. Most of them are spoiled little GW brats and they are gonna get some serious whooping to get some reason.

P.S. i am not saying every marine player is worthless or should not play marines, i am just disgusted with the whole marine predicament and all the blind supporters that GW has created, but then again it's not just GW, it's a vicious circle.

HMSNoodles
17-04-2007, 09:52
I hate chaos for the same reason you hate marines. Chaos can do pretty much everything marines can, but better. Havok squads with autocannons and tank hunters are the bane of vehicles everywhere. Daemon Prices charging 24" across the board in a single turn into combat, and greater deamons running rampant through your ranks while a prediator annihilator with front armour 14, ignoring crew shaken and stunned results sits at the back and annihilates your armour. And dont even get me started on Obliterators.

Varath- Lord Impaler
17-04-2007, 10:45
Tau, because of the background. Mostly because of Aun va

"This is the eldest and wisest of the Ethereals...he has 2 bodyguards we need to be completly sure of...noone knows who they are or where they come from...ALSO we have found a weapon, we dont know what it is or how it works...lets give it to the ethereal!"

Ive worked out how to destroy the Tau Empire, go and drop a bunch of grenades painted blue, the tau will pick them up and not know what they are. They will give them to the ethereals...then you detonate them.

*pop* Tau castes fall out of Pheremone control, go nuts and start beating 7 shades of hell out of each other.

After a few years, walk in with a bunch of heavy bolters

Warp Zero
17-04-2007, 10:47
Hate the Tau.
Hate.
Hate.
Hate.
:evilgrin:

How I hate thee, let me count the ways...

-Crisis Suit jump pack cha-cha-cha forward and back behind cover again.

-Cheap cheap cheap upgrades for everyone. Target Lock, Multi-Tracker, Targeting Array....almost everything for a nickel! Photon Grenades for a penny each! My Storm Guardians can't even buy Plasma Grenades anymore!

-Shooting through a wall of Gun Drones to get to 2+ save Broadsides sitting in Cover.

-Kroot: there to help the Tau with the Assault phase and yet shoot as good as a trained Guardsman but with a str:4 and 24" range weapon! Oh...and 1 point cheaper than an Eldar Guardian! :eek:

-Smart Missile System: even using terrain tactics can't hide your units from the Tau.

Ugh.

mjc1000
17-04-2007, 10:58
hmm i think they should remove res orb or make it so that when its there the warriors would actually die other then hvy bolter blows 3 to hell :eek: they got back up run:rolleyes:

mjc1000
17-04-2007, 11:03
I hate chaos for the same reason you hate marines. Chaos can do pretty much everything marines can, but better. Havok squads with autocannons and tank hunters are the bane of vehicles everywhere. Daemon Prices charging 24" across the board in a single turn into combat, and greater deamons running rampant through your ranks while a prediator annihilator with front armour 14, ignoring crew shaken and stunned results sits at the back and annihilates your armour. And dont even get me started on Obliterators.

yes but they do suck and fall back off the bored oh and have you ever looked at a proile of a lasscannon with tank hunter oh yea str10 auotocannon with th str 9 for some reason i like the str 10 (especialy against de only armour 10 vheicles penetrating all the time)

mjc1000
17-04-2007, 11:05
every one seems to love guard but i can see why they can be a very balnced army and if used right can be ery hard indeed

Corrupt
17-04-2007, 11:19
Some Marines (not all) who are pwergamed and uber unfair (and load up on pure heavy bolters when facing my Guard but bitch that I bring Plasma and Leman Russes)
Tau for the Jump Shoot Jump piece of crap! Wow your suit can float 6 feet out of cover, blow my stuff up and hide again in the assault phase. I wonder what you'l do next turn...
Why cant my guardsmen stand up fire and then duck back into cover...they dont even have to move!
Yeah Tau get everythin...stupid shiny new toy syndrome GW...

Captain Micha
17-04-2007, 13:05
Marines... for the simple fact that a good enough sized chunk of the marine players refuse to believe they have the best army in the game.

Next on the list Chaos Marines... like marines but better... *gag*

also... honestly I would love to have a daemon army.. but why oh why must daemons suck so hard compared to the rines?

Corporal Chaos
17-04-2007, 13:32
I vote 'Nids because I hate all "BUGS". Their just gross, not in game terms but their way of eating everything. Scary.

Overlord Krycis
17-04-2007, 14:40
yes but they do suck and fall back off the bored oh and have you ever looked at a proile of a lasscannon with tank hunter oh yea str10 auotocannon with th str 9 for some reason i like the str 10 (especialy against de only armour 10 vheicles penetrating all the time)

Then you have never played a Chaos army with Cult Markings. ;)
And Autocannons are Strength 8 with Tank Hunters...

Democratus
17-04-2007, 14:53
Necrons. No variety and no real flavor to the units.

Robot space marines with glancing guns. Boring.

golembane
17-04-2007, 15:02
I voted Marines, simply because it's boring playing 9/10 games vs marine players, then having to hear how my army is over-powered because I took Anti-MEQ gear on 2 models.

Bunnahabhain
17-04-2007, 15:55
There are lots of things I dislike about certain armies, but those are fixable via army list and rules changes. Rending assault cannons, lack of an armour save modifier system, and lack of overwatch come to mind fairly quickly. that's game balance, not the army though.

the army I dislike from a background sense is Dark Eldar though. They shouldn't exist. Not only are they a straight import from fantasy, they don't fit the background. The Eldar were the super-race, and then chaos ripped out their souls, leaving a scattered remnant. You're a mentally scarred survivor, or a light snack for Slannesh, nothing inbetween.

I don't mind the Tau and Necrons only popping up recently. There have always been references to older races being around somewhere, and younger races developing, but the Dark eldar would have been mentioned before if they existed...

answer_is_42
17-04-2007, 16:05
As a Guard player I naturally have a hatred towards anything remotely mutant, heretical or xeno.

:p

I agree. :D
I hate Tau. The jump back rules, the guns and the background (one diddy empire out of all the races they could've picked? Don't be silly) are the top things on the list.
Plus the small kids that seem to allways field the same Tan colour scheme, no matter who they are.

nanktank
17-04-2007, 16:08
Necrons, easy to paint and easy to play, a marketing ploy for the kiddies

Kahadras
17-04-2007, 17:00
Marines... for the simple fact that a good enough sized chunk of the marine players refuse to believe they have the best army in the game.

Next on the list Chaos Marines... like marines but better... *gag*


So Marine players refuse to believe that they have the best army in the game despite the fact that Chaos Marines are better...... I'm confused :confused:

Kahadras

Flatline
17-04-2007, 17:11
I would have to say Necrons are my current least favourite. Partly because they are so bland (compulsory choices are 2*10 warriors, lord with res orb, monolith and 3+ destroyers) and partly because they have a load of special rules that are just there to annoy other players. The monolith is the main culprit for this. Uber-vehicle or what!

Ryvius
17-04-2007, 17:35
I voted Necrons, I can't stand to play against them, or even to play them. There's a Necron player at the store I go to, which mainly ruined the army for me. He's played for about 2 years and still doesn't know the marine stat line or his own army list and he's played Tau, BT and now Necrons. So on top of feeling like I'm playing a brick wall, I'm playing a brick wall that doesn't know the rules. It doesn't help that he exploits all their special rules, I just don't have fun against Necrons, he's right now trying to ban me from the store because I refuse to play him. But whatever, there's no rule in the rule book that says I have to play him, I want fun games, can anyone blame me?

mjc1000
17-04-2007, 19:03
yeh necrons are joy killers

The_Outsider
17-04-2007, 19:45
Tau, no two ways about it.

I'd rather have the 3rd ed starcannon army of doom than Tau - THATS how much I hate Tau.

Gutlord Grom
17-04-2007, 19:54
Tau, no two ways about it.

I'd rather have the 3rd ed starcannon army of doom than Tau - THATS how much I hate Tau.
Amen, brother.

mjc1000
17-04-2007, 20:15
Amen, brother.

I second that amen (but im not religious so how does that work?):wtf:

CherryMan
17-04-2007, 20:47
I hate necrons becaus of their "we will feast on ure souls" <- wich sounds like one of the lines from an evil dead movie where Ash turns round saying something cool like "eat this *kablaam*" .... and the fact they are horrobly unplaytested (just thinking about 15 destroyers in every single game makes me mad:/)

fusilero
17-04-2007, 21:04
Tau, I just don't like 'em.

Hedgehog Boy
17-04-2007, 21:10
AW everybody is hating on the new kids on the block how mean?! It's not the Tau's fault the Imperium couldn't figure out a can opener unless the directions were contained in a Standard Template Construction Module! :angel:

I'll tell you what Tau hate though, Orks! Specifically cult of speed orks who can race across the map in their truks, hop out, and charge all in one turn! GRRrrrrrr, Missile Pods aren't much good against troop carriers when the troops are that used to getting blown out of their rides!

The Keeper of Secrets
17-04-2007, 21:55
KHORNE!!!!!! GAAAAA!

They're soooooooooooo easy to play.

Run forward, they're fast, they have a million MEQ attacks, and A 3+ SAVE!! GAAAA!!!!

:mad: :mad: :( :cries:

CherryMan
17-04-2007, 22:52
KHORNE!!!!!! GAAAAA!

They're soooooooooooo easy to play.

Run forward, they're fast, they have a million MEQ attacks, and A 3+ SAVE!! GAAAA!!!!

:mad: :mad: :( :cries:


yea but u slung out a basic of like 24pts a head for them... dont u think they should make their price atleast:/... but i agrea, its a very single choise army, and that u can buff up most char to be good at almost anything in a csm army. but they still dont take down a "necron destroyer army of death" so i cant really callem cheasy

deathwing_marine
17-04-2007, 23:12
I forgot to say that almost all the Tau players I've played are whiny sore losers. :cries: *sob*:cries:

If you see this Nabeshin1106, note that I said ALMOST :D

Gammarah
18-04-2007, 00:31
I voted for Necrons. To me, they're just boring, to play or to play against.

The Orange
18-04-2007, 01:31
Nids, they just eat my Tau too fast, :cries: . Necrons arn't a favorate of mine either, their just so resilient.

To all you Tau haters, I thumb my nose at you.


No army should have a basic str 5 gun.
Eldar can do this with Wrathguard.
Tyranids can do this with Gaunts with toxic sacs + flesh borers.
Their are far :cheese: basic troops out there.

Plus their rail guns are way too cheap and way too effective.
Yea, 70+pts for one is way overpriced, :rolleyes:

Don't like their suits, don't look like they belong in 40k.
But clowns (Harlequins) do fit, right? Because in the future, its much more likely to see clowns on the battlefield, and not powered battlesuits.

Background wise they developed way to quickly to be so powerfull.
Seeing as thier still stuck in their neck of the woods, I woulden't call them that powerful. Plus the reason thier Empire is different then others is that they united several other races under their banner, thus have a fighing chance against the Imperium.

How many tau can their actually be in the universe with only like 3 core planets?
3 :wtf: more like 8 core systems at the least.

Gobskrag 'Eadbasha
18-04-2007, 04:15
Gaurd. My orks dont take large blast templates very well. That, and I fight them way too much.

azimaith
18-04-2007, 04:26
I play necrons and I have to say, about 90% of this hate against them is really directed at *necron players*.

Hell my necrons are colored bronze metal and all are covered with the flayed skin of my enemies I grafted on when I made them. I don't even have a veil in that army and it runs with a wraith wing.

But some people just can't think beyond: "Boltgun Metal+Warrior+Monolith. As for hate of the list, despite the fact that generally,against necrons the effective points your destroying comes out to being similar to other 3+ save armies, I can understand the frustration of tough units.

I can't say I actually *hate* any 40k Army. There are armies I dislike for whatever reason, but I don't think any 40k army is so glaringly overpowered its hateworthy.

I don't know, nearly all the complaining here is ranting rather than anything well thought out. But I guess thats whats to be expected from a topic like "who hates XYZ"

hush88
18-04-2007, 06:15
Necrons. Res orb is extremely annoying. All the hard work of killing them and they revive again.

Rather face 150 orks cause they die, they die. 30 necrons in game terms could end up being 5 times the orginial number, just because they can be revived. Yuck.

mjc1000
18-04-2007, 09:32
i know its a romour but were the tau made by the eldar:confused:


lol i love it they say orks are phycic because there guns have no triggers and that they use there minds to fire the gun just imagine a smart ork i mean a really smart ork thats when id be scared;)

Sir_Turalyon
18-04-2007, 09:47
Tau, Tau, I hate Tau, what the hell are they doing in one of my my favorite games? 5 years after their inclusion they still fit 40k like pimple fits the nose... or other body parts.

Warp Zero
18-04-2007, 12:06
Eldar can do this with Wrathguard.
Tyranids can do this with Gaunts with toxic sacs + flesh borers.
Their are far :cheese: basic troops out there.

All weapons that have a 12" range. Pulse Rife has 30". I fail to see the validity of your counter-point.

As I Tau-hater, I personally like the background fluff and the visual look of the Tau. I think they're great. I have no problem seeing them in the Warhammer 40k setting. I'm really not sure why others don't think so.

Anyways, my hatred is only for their game mechanics. I'd be happy if maybe they made Kroot Rifles either Str3 or Str4/Heavy. This whole thing with them using AP6 Bolters is crazy. They're there for assault back-up not extra firepower! Also would love to see Target Locks be made 15 points. Too expensive? Well, I think its value is worth more than its current cost. One of the chief tactics behind 40k is the balance with how many units one side is firing to the units as targets on the other side. Horde armies can survive because they have more units than you can fire at. So at different points in the game, a unit is at least free from being fired upon. But with the Tau, and Target Lock, everything gets fired upon. Nothing escapes Tau firepower. Including things behind cover thanks to Smart Missile Systems.

Big block of :cheese:

MysticTitan
18-04-2007, 12:35
I don't hate any of the races, I do however, loathe the Vindicare assassin (Always manages to take out my HQ before it rips through his gun line).

mjc1000
18-04-2007, 13:17
I don't hate any of the races, I do however, loathe the Vindicare assassin (Always manages to take out my HQ before it rips through his gun line).

assasin whenever my oppenant uses them they ethier get ript apart in cb or get blown away with bolters it dependes on how well he uses them

Tymell
18-04-2007, 13:23
To all you Tau haters, I thumb my nose at you.

Eldar can do this with Wrathguard.
Tyranids can do this with Gaunts with toxic sacs + flesh borers.
Their are far :cheese: basic troops out there.

Yea, 70+pts for one is way overpriced, :rolleyes:

But clowns (Harlequins) do fit, right? Because in the future, its much more likely to see clowns on the battlefield, and not powered battlesuits.

Seeing as thier still stuck in their neck of the woods, I woulden't call them that powerful. Plus the reason thier Empire is different then others is that they united several other races under their banner, thus have a fighing chance against the Imperium.

3 :wtf: more like 8 core systems at the least.

The man makes a damnsome good set of points. Love for the Tau gets my vote, all well put Orange :)

@ Warp Zero: Well, you complained about a race having strength 5 basic guns. Orange pointed out other races that have such a thing. Sounds like a pretty valid point to me.

Macrus
18-04-2007, 14:39
i think that the necrons are the worst, there models are so dull, and there are simple army to use.

Macrus

Baneboss
18-04-2007, 14:49
I dont dislike any race fluff wise. When it comes to rules i might have few whyinings here and there. The reason however i voted SM is because i feel sick of playing against them 5 times in a row in tournaments sometimes :/ We only can choose our opponents in friendly games.


Tau, Tau, I hate Tau, what the hell are they doing in one of my my favorite games? 5 years after their inclusion they still fit 40k like pimple fits the nose... or other body parts.

I love Tau. Theyre a race 40k needed. Just because most of other major races have technological stagnation doesnt mean entire galaxy should be like that.

Wraithbored
18-04-2007, 15:43
Why do people hate some armies? The reasons are various. But saying things like "Tau don't fit cause they look like anime" or "Harlequins are space clowns" and "Zomg Orks suk cause dey are space 'shrooms!". This is a game of oddballs and oddities. Armies are supposed to look different from each other and have their own stories. If you want more realism go play Flames of War. And if you want true balance go play chess(although those damn white pieces are so overpowered!! They always go first! :D )

ancient_conflict
18-04-2007, 16:02
because everyone does them and to the few that do good themes i.e. none codex SM and put a twist and a story line behind there chapter are the only saving grace

Tim
18-04-2007, 16:10
I chose daemeon/witch hunters be cause they seemed to be being left out and they deserve some hate to.:D

Templar Ben
18-04-2007, 16:28
DE

http://tsoalr.com/view.php?date=2004-07-12

Yossarian
18-04-2007, 17:12
chaos, or more specifically ******* khorne

KaldCB
18-04-2007, 18:25
Necrons is gaining on marines.
wonder witch army will be the looser by the end...

ChaosDevout
18-04-2007, 19:20
I'm surprised to see Necrons so high...I love playing against them. I struggle with Tau, just for Rail Guns, and general long ranged-ness.

Lornak Bloodgreed
18-04-2007, 19:50
if you like thisgame why would youhate any of them? Other than the outrageous prices why hate citadel's products? :confused:

Democratus
18-04-2007, 20:05
if you like thisgame why would youhate any of them? Other than the outrageous prices why hate citadel's products? :confused:

You can like a game, and yet still hate certain aspects of it. The Necrons don't bring anything new or interesting to the game. Their army lists are very lacking in variety. Their fluff is bombastic and doesn't match their game rules. The models (especially the monolith) are unimanigative and ugly.

We (my local gaming group) just hate the Necrons. But we very much enjoy playing the game - especially since none of us are playing Necrons.

KaldCB
18-04-2007, 20:46
Im not surprised to se necrons so high, I play with them regulary and in turnys pepole face just gets this sad impression when i say i play necrons.
I dont get it! I love playing with and against Necrons.
Maybe pepole just need to know how to beat them....

The_Outsider
18-04-2007, 21:21
Its because people don't like rules that means once you fail your armour save you may not die.

Also its really easy for people just to say their advantages and not their weakness.

You could say the same for tau, while their weakness is CC you'll never make CC for it too matter.

Unlike tau terminators pose a serious threat to necrons, as do high t models. Tau jsut railgun and plasma such units.

Kahadras
18-04-2007, 21:24
Maybe pepole just need to know how to beat them....

Not really. Most Necron armies are identical and basicaly consist of two lords (one with res orb one with the veil thing) and a ton of warriors backed up by a monolith and plenty of destroyers/heavy destroyers. Then just start marching forward. Jump round a bit using the veil and the monolith to avoid cc and set up close range shooting on enemy unit.

Most people know how to beat forsaid army as well (get them to phase out via shooting the warriors)

Kahadras

Warp Zero
18-04-2007, 22:14
The man makes a damnsome good set of points. Love for the Tau gets my vote, all well put Orange :)

@ Warp Zero: Well, you complained about a race having strength 5 basic guns. Orange pointed out other races that have such a thing. Sounds like a pretty valid point to me.

I never complained about a race having Strength 5 basic guns. That was alex03. Please double check the thread. :D The Orange pointed out that other races can also have Str5 weapons too as a counter-arguement (specifically Wraithguard and toxin-sac flesh borer Gaunts). The reason why I didn't think it was a valid point is because the issue is about balance. Simply having Str5 weaponry in your army as well doesn't mean that its magically okay for Tau to have Pulse Rifles.

One: Wraithguard are ELITE, and their Wraithcannon range is only 12". Also, the Wraithcannon is not a Str5 weapon. Its "to wound" roll is always fixed.

Two: Toxi-Sac Flesh Borer Gaunts also can only shoot at 12"

Three: Pulse Rifles shoot 30", rapid fire...so twice at 12".

So uh....yeah...simply saying Eldar and Tyranids have 'em too makes me scratch my head because its not a direct comparison...or even close. The range difference is HUGE. So no, its still not a valid point to me.

In the end, I'm actually okay with Pulse Rifles. I think Firewarriors work fine. I think its alex03 that has more of an issue with them. I was just jumping in on the debate because The Orange's counter-arguement made my eyes roll a bit. It was the statement that was part of my focus, not whether or not Firewarriors are balanced. (see my previous posts to read about what I think is unbalanced in Tau armies)


if you like thisgame why would youhate any of them? Other than the outrageous prices why hate citadel's products?

Actually I'm okay with most prices. But there are some products that have really silly prices. Like the price of a single Wraithguard is massively retarded.

But back on my Tau rant. (which I have to remind you guys, I like having Tau in the 40k universe...I just have certain issues with their game mechanics) Its not that I think Tau auto-win every match or anything. Like every army, they are beatable. But for some armies, you really have to tool your list specifically to go against Tau in order to make it even odds. Seems fair? Maybe for pick-up games, but what about for campaign games where you have a fixed "all-comers" army list? If you do a list geared to fight Tau, you'll be screwed when you fight World Eaters maybe. Or vice versa. Some armies are good at making solid "all-comers" lists...and some aren't.

For instance, I have a solid flexible Eldar list. Fights against Marines, Necrons, and Tyranids are even. But fights against Tau are a slaughter. Tau cream the crap out of me. But another friend's Marine list in the campaign does okay against both Tau and Eldar. (both my friend and I played against my Tau friend using same list)

All in all, 40k is a great game. I still am having fun with it after all these years. These are just minor things that we noodle at. We gotta have something to talk about right? Will the game ever be perfectly balanced? Maybe not. But I'm happy with trying to get as close as we can. :)

Lord Cook
18-04-2007, 22:30
IIRC in the 4th.Edition designers notes Pete Haines said that pulse rifles and gauss flayers were made to be balanced back in 3rd.Ed when rapid fire weapons were weaker. This was because fire warriors and necrons didn't have access to heavy weapons, hence they needed better basic weapons to make up for it.

And the race I hate the most? Any army commanded by a whining, win-at-all-costs loser. Plenty of those I'm afraid.


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Tymell
18-04-2007, 23:48
I never complained about a race having Strength 5 basic guns. That was alex03. Please double check the thread. :D The Orange pointed out that other races can also have Str5 weapons too as a counter-arguement (specifically Wraithguard and toxin-sac flesh borer Gaunts). The reason why I didn't think it was a valid point is because the issue is about balance. Simply having Str5 weaponry in your army as well doesn't mean that its magically okay for Tau to have Pulse Rifles.

Aha yes, twas indeed alex03, fair point. However, it was you who challenged the point's validity, and indeed still are. The point is valid because the exact point he was responding to was "No army should have a basic strength 5 gun" as a complaint about the Tau, and he pointed out other armies who have this, thus it's not truly fair to only highlight Tau with it.

I agree, Tau do have easier access to it than the other armies in question, but the point is still worthwhile.

kortholaxthedamned
24-05-2007, 20:21
chaos, or more specifically ******* khorne

Why, Yossarian, that wasn't a sly jab at my own Khorne army is it?:D

Outlaw289
24-05-2007, 20:41
I like the Tau in the background, they make a good enemy, but their current rules are a little too cheesy.

superknijn
24-05-2007, 20:46
I don't hate. While I don't do the permanently stoned/free continous sex thing, and am politically misaligned, I'm a hippie in all other respects.

I mean, 'hate' is a way too strong word for a miniature wargame. (even if it's in a grim, dark future)

Brothergrimm
24-05-2007, 20:48
The necron Pain in the ^#$& player at are club.

W0lf
24-05-2007, 20:53
easily chaos WE or nids...

a 4 year old could win with ether:

[/sarcasm]
move forwad.. move forward.. charge.. win!
wow im so clever! ^^
[/sarcasm]

what is the point of them?

Kulgur
24-05-2007, 21:05
Looks like it's a close run between Necrons and Marines at the moment, I went for marines (haven't fought Necrons yet)

Green_Knight
24-05-2007, 21:17
Tau. They thought they're good. Blast'em all!

harlequin21
24-05-2007, 21:33
i dont *hate* any race but if i had to pick...
necrons,
reasons being - most necron armies revolve around the same army list, 2 lords, loads of warriors backed up with destroyers.
this is my *main* problem with them along with the fact they just keep getting back up but i dont mind that as much as the fact the a necron list is a no-brainer IMO

Just my opinions...

for the record yes im a tau player

Gaftra
24-05-2007, 23:02
squats.
because gw tells me to

Cpt_NinjaPants
24-05-2007, 23:07
Hate as in..? playing with/agianst, rules, models, fluff. What?

Kulgur
25-05-2007, 00:44
Hate as in..? playing with/agianst, rules, models, fluff. What?

In general

Imperialis_Dominatus
25-05-2007, 02:34
Wow, this seems like a potentially productive thread, not a place to vent one's latest gaming disasters in a spew of "I think GK are overpowered!":eyebrows: Whatever, I guess I can put my opinion in.

My Top Three of My To-Destroy-When-World-Domination-is-Complete Pile:

#3= Nids: They have the superiority complex, i.e. any discussion of the ultimate fate of the universe ends up "teh n1ds and (I will get around to this race shortly) pwning all!1!!" I hate that sort of background.

#2= Tau: These guys can ignore basic game mechanics, have S5 AP 5 30" Rapid Fire basic weapons, can Jump Shoot Jump, have S5 AP 5 30" Rapid Fire basic weapons, look like anime wannabes, have S5 AP 5 30" Rapid Fire basic weapons, are your typical little grey men, and have S5 AP 5 30" Rapid Fire basic weapons.
Did I mention JSJ? Cause that sucks. Oh, and did I say they have S5 AP 5 30" Rapid Fire basic weapons? Cause that is not even cool. Plus they are a threat the likes of which a hundred Codices could be written about- a small alien empire that seeks to take over the galaxy.

#1 Most Hated Army of All Time, for Fluff, Rules, General Player Attitude, and Incredible Lack of Variation: hand me the envelope... *drumroll*... Necrons!

This was an obvious one, I think. I don't care about Asscans. Rending on bolter equivalents, C'tan, Monolith, WBB, MEQ's, few choices that are used and cookie cutter armies, boring paint schemes, and fluff- good God, these guys are worse than Tyranids when it comes to "all of your base are belong to us" syndrome. They've got the gods, they come back, they are nearly unkillable in their natural environment, they've got the technology, and we are all doomed. Not to mention the shoehorn manuever. Plus everything that ever was or is or will be is their doing. Ugh.

For the record, I play Chaos, but I'm not a power player. I'm competetive (come on, of course I am, I'm a male American minor), but I'm in it for the fluff. And I do hate these, thank you very much. In the words of George Carlin, I don't have peeves, I have psychotic ****** hatreds. It makes the world a hell of a lot easier to sort out.

xibo
25-05-2007, 03:29
The pathetic mutants of the corrupting powers, you foul xeno pack! And also do I hate the mutant scum called space marines, who always think they know the emperors will better than we do.

But top one in my litanies of hate are ...
Iron Warriors,
because they can do everything my guard can do, but they can do it better.

And I hate stunties. Because their exo suits look like tamagochi(s). And because they smell. And their beards get caught between da orkses teeth...

Vaktathi
25-05-2007, 03:31
I really want to know how Orks are beating Guard in this race, and how Guard are furthest behind.

Also, I find it interesting that Necrons are in the lead.

Curufew
25-05-2007, 03:42
GodZilla nids. Cause I feel nids isn't suppose to be played this way. They should be a CC orientated army but Godzilla nids make them a gunline army

xibo
25-05-2007, 03:48
I really want to know how Orks are beating Guard in this race, and how Guard are furthest behind.

Also, I find it interesting that Necrons are in the lead.
Now that you say it, of cause I hate orks and dark eldar, for the fact their players have been hiding from me since... hmmm... now that someone mentions them I can't remember ever to have faced dark eldars :D ( just juking )

Necrons are undeads in power armours, a theme that couldn't be lamer IMO.

Voodoo Boyz
25-05-2007, 05:07
Eldar, I hate Eldar.

Mainly because while everyone complains about Marines this, or Assault Cannons that, Eldar are the army that have been and continue to be the cheesiest army in the game.

Holofield Skimmers are the biggest problem, mostly Falcons combined with Harlequins - and all the other little goodies that they can tweak out on; while going on and on complaining about Marines or whatever else. There's a reason they place so well at tournaments - they're one of the most abusable armies in the game (and were more so before their last codex).

Funny how Necrons are winning this; I just started them. I'm redoing the ones I got off ebay so their paint scheme is more in line with the normal one you'd see (metal/black/tin) since I think they look best that way. I actually like the models and their rules - it's all about executing a plan with them not going for stupid combos that you can ram down your opponents throat like Holofield Skimmers + Harlies or other options.

Oh and they're really good at killing these skimmer air force armies that seem so popular now adays. Play against air force lists from Tau or Eldar for a while with Orks, and you start to develop a hatred of them.

Tymell
25-05-2007, 05:57
I don't really hate any force, but I'll plump for Necrons, simply because I think GW did an awful job of them. They spent years saying "Don't send us any new ideas for troop types, we have loads". Then they come out with barely enough to actually constitute an army! :rolleyes:

Adra
25-05-2007, 06:11
Im not gonna suprise anyone. necrons. Cos they are dull dull dull and awesome.....they are the most idiot proof army about...u cant go wrong unless ur a total goose. easy to paint, easy to play, easy to forget....

Ravenous
25-05-2007, 06:15
It would have to be necrons for me.

Every time I play them its never fun, I just walk away annoyed, frustrated, but most of all BORED.

The monolith, they might as well change its special rules to "whatever the necron player wants it to do, it will. Including winning games on a dice roll of 1+, and stealing your girlfriend". Seriously, the amount of rules interpretation crap you have to deal with this thing is dumb, every person says something different. Teleporting out of combat and teleporting falling back units is the biggest b**** tactic. It is like watching a 300lb woman do the Mexican hat dance on your junk with stilettos on.

WBB = most annoying rule just a tad more then living metal. Short of being a massive CC army you might as well not bother rolling for anything.


Im not gonna suprise anyone. necrons. Cos they are dull dull dull and awesome.....they are the most idiot proof army about...u cant go wrong unless ur a total goose. easy to paint, easy to play, easy to forget....

This too, their list is stupidly easy to make, and its boring as hell. I have yet to see a necron army in person that isnt painted metal.

Definitely the necrons. Complain about eldar all you like these two things make crystal targeting matrix and holo fields look like saints in comparison.

theshadowduke
25-05-2007, 07:58
I cant stand eldar. Its mainly the fact that a mech eldar list is impossible for a marine, guard, =I=, orks, and some chaos to beat.

My harlies jump out of my falcon, your screwed. My dire avengers get out of their wave serpent, you get doomed, they get guided, I bladestorm, get back in, drive away.

The whole army is gay, its the last codex that JJ allowed creep on, and nobody seems to care. On top of that, most of the eldar players I have met, are pompus, arses, with no concept of how rules that dont directly affect them work, and so argue with you about them.

Eldar suck, they are imba, and the people that play them are dicks.

Ianos
25-05-2007, 09:01
I cant stand eldar. Its mainly the fact that a mech eldar list is impossible for a marine, guard, =I=, orks, and some chaos to beat.

My harlies jump out of my falcon, your screwed. My dire avengers get out of their wave serpent, you get doomed, they get guided, I bladestorm, get back in, drive away.

The whole army is gay, its the last codex that JJ allowed creep on, and nobody seems to care. On top of that, most of the eldar players I have met, are pompus, arses, with no concept of how rules that dont directly affect them work, and so argue with you about them.

Eldar suck, they are imba, and the people that play them are dicks.

I could stand any of your opinions about Eldar, you might think whatever you want of the army (which by the way is not correct by a mile IMO), but correlating your hate for the army, with the people playing it is an outright fallacy that cannot be tolerated. Hiding behind the computer and calling people or groups names, is not within the morals of forum posting at all and I sincerely hope the administrators take notice of your statements.

Sithlord
25-05-2007, 09:07
CHAOS, definitely this traitors are really nasty with all those daemon upgrade, you cannot face a khorne daemonprince with feel no pain and daemonarmor+aura plus daemon weapon let you ignore invulnerable saves!
I cannot seem to kill this bastard with all those range weapons since this guy have 2 save (armor/inv. save + feel no pain)

theshadowduke
25-05-2007, 10:42
I could stand any of your opinions about Eldar, you might think whatever you want of the army (which by the way is not correct by a mile IMO), but correlating your hate for the army, with the people playing it is an outright fallacy that cannot be tolerated. Hiding behind the computer and calling people or groups names, is not within the morals of forum posting at all and I sincerely hope the administrators take notice of your statements.

I made sure to note that it was my experience that it was the case. My rant was no different than all of the marine hating that goes on on these boards, which has gone so far as to call all marine players power gaming retards that cant build a decent list.

I'm not hiding behind my computer either, everyone at my local club knows my handle, and some even visit here, including the primary eldar player I refrenced too.

The fact that I attacked your prefered army, doesnt make you right, or me wrong, it makes me opinionated. Which I am.

Spartan-001: Master Chief
25-05-2007, 10:49
Necrons because they are a space marine with a gun that can take down tanks for 3 points(a marine is 15pts so...)

everyone in maidenhead hates tau can understand why to be honest..

spartan

Bloody12th
25-05-2007, 11:10
My least favourite armies to play against are Tau, Eldar and Necrons. Mainly because of the fact that they either do the same as my Guard but better, or because they have mystical powers of IGNORE (read holo-field Falcons).

Fluff wise, I don't like the Tyranid and Necron 'we're gonna kill everyone and you're all doomed!'. It makes you wonder why you should bother to fight in the first place.


Having said that, I've had fun games against Necrons and Tau, and I've beaten chaos armies with über lords (not very often...).

In my experience, what makes an army bad is the person who plays it. If you play a powerful army fielded by someone who plays in good fun then you'll go away thinking about how to beat them next time, and you'll look forward to the next encounter.

If you play against a powerful army fielded by someone who wants to win at all costs and is totally anal about the rules (you can't charge me because you're a millimetre out, even if you've no chance of winning the game anyway) then you won't have fun and vow never to play that person again.


Although there are exceptions - eg. the old Eldar Pathfinder army.

elmak the fallen angel
25-05-2007, 11:29
dark eldar get my vote. they are so f***king anoying!!

oh and necrons are a beginner army as there is no skill and no effort involved in playing them or creating a list

Souleater
25-05-2007, 13:04
Eldar - in terms of background they are the most stuck, annoying, gits possible. They trashed their own empire because of their own desires then swan around the place telling the Younger Races that they are still the best thing since sliced bread.

I also hate their 'we are fast yet fragile' balance. Um...how many shots do I have to put into those skimmers again? Oh, and you have T8 Wraithlords.

And, sadly a lot of the Eldar players I've run into think they are tactical gods merely because they play Eldar. Gah!

So, all round 'hate' the Eldar.

Also from an RP point of view (playing Dark Eldar and Necron) I kinda enjoy hating them.

Loving all the Necron hate, btw. Very amusing :D (Although I agree on the shoddy background shoe in)

guardsmen529
25-05-2007, 13:05
I don't necesserily hate Tau (I voted them though :p) But any army that can outshoot my guard, has a better save, and doesn't need to stick to cover as much has my vote

xibo
25-05-2007, 15:46
I don't necesserily hate Tau (I voted them though :p) But any army that can outshoot my guard, has a better save, and doesn't need to stick to cover as much has my vote

wow, my guard has not ever yet lost a single game vs tau, and in the worst game I had against them I lost half my army while he lost everything ( cleanse mission, as if something else would be played at GW stores ... ).
Than, on the other hand, I am regularily outshoot by 'smurf-, poodle-, vampire- and undead urines'... ok, vampires don't outshoot me, although that might change with their new dex...

heretics bane
25-05-2007, 16:04
necrons are annoying as you kill 20 and 19.5 get back up again:mad:

Steel_Legion
25-05-2007, 16:11
Tau for me, just because of a few things: Very good overpowered skimmers, front AV13 on a skimmer with an S10 gun that can move 12" and still fire everything? No thanks. Those vespid are dirty, the fact they made a unit tailored against marines is dirty. Battlesuit jump in>jump out is annoying too, and cheap warriors which are pretty good at shooting is a pain too

Kriegsherr
25-05-2007, 16:15
I hate marines because no other army can turn a good and tricky eldar-player into a no-braining list-copying-noob/cheesefest-numbercruncher quicker than marines.

Well, I think its the classic superhero-dilemma you always will face if you have superpowers ... and to be honest, I hate the O-My-**********-God-Lords some Eldar players so much like to stack on each other almost as much as the marine-bore ;)

John B
25-05-2007, 17:03
Personally passionatly dispise stuff that messes with some core concept of the game such as:
JSJ and other phase ignoring stuff.
It's called INVULNERABLEsave for a reason, not invulnerable-unless-i-have-this-really-cool-weapon-save.

Necron, they're bending just too many rules, wbb is a cool rule, but the rest with teleporting a few inches and blasting your well planned assault to pieces etc.

Tymell
25-05-2007, 18:31
Personally passionatly dispise stuff that messes with some core concept of the game such as:
JSJ and other phase ignoring stuff.
It's called INVULNERABLEsave for a reason, not invulnerable-unless-i-have-this-really-cool-weapon-save.

Necron, they're bending just too many rules, wbb is a cool rule, but the rest with teleporting a few inches and blasting your well planned assault to pieces etc.

Couldn't agree more with this. I too felt they'd gone too far with them ignoring invulnerable saves, and just as you say it's supposed to be invulnerable, not invulnerable some of the time. Next there'll be a super-duper-oh-look-how-invulnerable-we-are save that is resistant to even Necron weapons. Then a weapon that beats that. And so on, and so on, like an arms race.

And equally, I like the WBB rule as well, it's one they've had from the start, works well, and yet not so well that it ruins the game. It can still be beaten, but does give the impression of fighting a foe that just won't stay dead.

etham
25-05-2007, 20:24
I voted for necron just because there was no option for squats.


And also, there was no option for not hating any of it. I actually like the fluff behind the necrons. I just think their models are stupid and the weapons are over the top. That's a branch where GW really failed to catch my attention, aesthetically. I like their fluff, though, mostly because I play eldar and the two have become inextricably linked.

The only models I hate more are the dark eldar, but they are cool in my book because a) they are underdogs, and b) i play eldar, so they can't be that bad.

Vandur Last
26-05-2007, 00:23
I voted marines by accident. I meant to hit necrons because of the " our fluff says were more awesome than you at whatever your race was supposed to be awesome at and our special rules are better than and allow us to ignore your rules" syndrome.

Vandur Last
26-05-2007, 00:30
Couldn't agree more with this. I too felt they'd gone too far with them ignoring invulnerable saves, and just as you say it's supposed to be invulnerable, not invulnerable some of the time. Next there'll be a super-duper-oh-look-how-invulnerable-we-are save that is resistant to even Necron weapons. Then a weapon that beats that. And so on, and so on, like an arms race.
.

yeah like they used to have in Warhammer Fantasy.
There were
1 Armour saves
2 magic Armour saves
3 "just roll a D6 and if its a 4+ you can ignore the wound even though this isnt an armour save...technically, so yeah it can work against Cannons and those spells that say that no saves whatsoever can work"

Ridiculous.
Surely no one wants to see the above situation come around again where the writer of each successive codex thinks its his right to play 1-upsmanship to the previous one.

To summarise... Nerf Necrons. :)

Imperialis_Dominatus
26-05-2007, 02:17
I like their fluff, though, mostly because I play eldar and the two have become inextricably linked.

Quoted for truth. Note the subtle emphasis.

Dicey
29-05-2007, 13:12
Necrons, 1 dimensional boring army. I can kill the whole army three times they get up and kill me off, arggghh! The res orb is just bad, plus the teleport thingy too is imho just too good as well.

Souleater
29-05-2007, 14:45
Ha! You have just admitted that Necron have more than one dimension!

We annoy you because we teleport AND we annoy you because We'll Be Back!

Mwhahahah mwhahahahahaha

fwacho
29-05-2007, 15:42
Chaos has always been a pain in teh neck for me to play. I'm slowly learngin their list. I think it all goes back to bad expereience with a demon prince first tiem I played them... and then there was that horrifying cultist army... *shivers*

Lord Cook
29-05-2007, 15:50
Tau, because playing peak-a-boo with crisis suits is only fun for the other guy. Unless you happen to have a basilisk with indirect fire, in which case the hilarity is on me!

Grand Master Raziel
29-05-2007, 17:43
Tau, because of the background. Mostly because of Aun va


Are you kidding? Aun Va is awesome! I've been dying to play against a Tau player who uses that guy. If I do, I'm going to dub one of my Veteran Sergeants "the Master Chief" and totally ignore any mission considerations in favor of getting that Sergeant in combat with Aun Va, so when he kills Aun Va, I can shout out, "Whoo hoo! I killed the Prophet of Regret! I WIN!" :evilgrin:

Luthien
29-05-2007, 18:23
necrons godddamn it when i shoot something i want it to stay down :mad:

zodgrim
29-05-2007, 19:04
Eldar. Every friend that has played the game with me has Eldar for the last 15 years. Stupid Eldar.:D

sir.spamalot
29-05-2007, 19:09
Necrons all the way....were dumb machines that have 4's in every stat and kick ass and have only 1 troop choice...


there just dumb!

Tymell
29-05-2007, 22:15
necrons godddamn it when i shoot something i want it to stay down :mad:

Heh, I can't help feel that if GW heard that, they'd be pleased, as it seems that's precisely the reaction they want Necrons to get.

Fear is the mind killer
30-05-2007, 00:52
Orks are just such a cliche, and they're basically chavs in space.

Lord Cook
30-05-2007, 01:02
Orks are just such a cliche, and they're basically chavs in space.

I would retract that unless you want to get flamed so much you'll be tasting napalm for a month.

The Muffin Man
30-05-2007, 01:19
Necrons for being so god damn boring.

Fear is the mind killer
30-05-2007, 01:23
I'm only repeating what I've heard so many people say, and I could never get behind them because despite their perfect profile and equipment for Troops, they lack the random fun of 2nd ed. and their character and mindset reminds me of the hoodies who hang around outside and menace/attack everyone.

mistformsquirrel
30-05-2007, 01:27
I hate... nothing <. .>; I think every army is neat in its way. *hugs the entire 40k universe*

*is beaten silly because its not that kind of universe* <,<

Lord Cook
30-05-2007, 01:34
Oh I'm no fan of orks either, if I want comedy I don't go to 40k, but even so there are people who obviously don't think the same way, and there's no need for simplistic insults.

Insults should be eloquent, witty, well-thought out and backed up by solid evidence of why your opponent is wrong and/or sucks. If you're going to be insulting, do it with style.


I'm only repeating what I've heard so many people say

Again, you're leaving yourself pretty open to abuse. Generally say what you think rather than recycling trashy opinions flying around the Internet.

On another note, I'm glad to see imperial guard hasn't even broken double figures in the poll :).

EDIT: See the post below for what I'm talking about in a 'well thought-out' answer.

Tymell
30-05-2007, 01:35
I'm only repeating what I've heard so many people say, and I could never get behind them because despite their perfect profile and equipment for Troops, they lack the random fun of 2nd ed. and their character and mindset reminds me of the hoodies who hang around outside and menace/attack everyone.

They're more like skinhead culture actually. Their wars are basically a big lads night out :D And so I'm afraid chavs they really, really aren't. Chavs tend to pick on anything smaller than themselves, Orks will take on anything. Chavs will leg it when you actually fight back, Orks won't. I see where you're coming from, and Ork kulture definitely bears elements of basic British lower class subcultures, but it's closer to punks/skinheads than chavs.

Ravenous
30-05-2007, 01:41
Chavs are more like grots.

Perfectly fine until they hit some resistance then they go to the ground ;)

Sekhmet
30-05-2007, 03:12
Not really. Most Necron armies are identical and basicaly consist of two lords (one with res orb one with the veil thing) and a ton of warriors backed up by a monolith and plenty of destroyers/heavy destroyers. Then just start marching forward. Jump round a bit using the veil and the monolith to avoid cc and set up close range shooting on enemy unit.

Most people know how to beat forsaid army as well (get them to phase out via shooting the warriors)

Kahadras

O rly?

Voted Eldar... holofields + spirit stones + vectored engines + 2 Fire Prisms = gg.


I think all the Necron hate is because of a certain feeling... either disappointment or frustration. Or both. You get it when a squad makes all of it's WBBs. You just selectively forget the time when a Necron player can't make a single WBB and phases out turn 3.