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ZeroTwentythree
18-04-2007, 16:57
I decided to keep a separate plog for my Skaven. Below is a list of what I've got, more or less, and the state of the army. I've estimated that if I got everything painted up and on the table, I could field at least 5000 points. More if I maxed out on some of the less useful units like Rat Ogres and Rat Swarms. If they bring back the Verminlord, the points could jump even more. :D

I'll include a few shots of whats already done, and what is being worked on. Even as I paint up my Marienburg army, I still keep coming back to the Skaven as I tweak the army I use in games or jsut get an idea for a model/models.



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/7k-up2.jpg


Not sure how the standards for this work, but I will use:
Green = Done
Yellow = WIP
Red = Not started



The army:

30 Clanrats
1 Ratling Gun
30 Clanrats
1 Ratling Gun
30 Clanrats
1 Warpfire Thrower
30 Clanrats
1 Warpfire Thrower
46 Clanrat Slaves
46 Clanrat Slaves
25 Clanrat Slaves
25 Clanrat Slaves
30 Plague Monks
20 Plague Monks
4 Rat Swarms
6 Giant Rat Pack + 1 Packmasters
6 Giant Rat Pack + 1 Packmasters
6 Giant Rat Pack + 1 Packmasters
? Giant Rat Pack + ? Packmasters
6 Rat Ogres + 6 Packmasters
1 Rat Ogres + 1 Packmasters
33 Eshin Night/Gutter Runners
4 Eshin Night/Gutter Runners
8 Warplock Jezzail teams
9 Poison Wind Globadiers
9 Poison Wind Globadiers
1 Giant
1 Warp-lightning Warp Cannon
1 New Grey Seer/Screaming Bell
1 Old Grey Seer/Screaming Bell
1 Chieftain (BSB)
1 Plague Priest
1 Warlock Engineer
1 Warlock Engineer
1 Warlord (General)
1 Deathmaster
1 Warlord
1 Grey Seer


Models in Army: 420+/-
Total Army Cost: 5000+/-


Additional Items:

1 Turn Counter
1 Relic/objective
2 Relics/objectives
1 Messenger figure
1 Display base for 2000+/- point army
Skaven themed terrain
Skaven fortification (for sieges)
2 Tunnel Team Markers
2 Tunnel Team Markers

Here's pics of some of the already completed figures (some were posted elsewhere):

Two finished units of 30 clanrats. Originally intended to be armed with shield and spear. I've recently dropped the spear, so now they are "really long hand weapons." The concept being that skaven, being cowards, would likely scavenge the largest (makeshift) shields they could hide behind - meanwhile the back ranks attack from relative safty:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skcl02c.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skcl02b.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skcl02a.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skcl01b.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skcl01a.jpg

Warlock Engineer:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/wle03.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/wle02.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/wle01.jpg

Skaven Giant (I posted this to the general forums before):
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skgt10d.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skgt10c.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skgt10b.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skgt10a.jpg

"Rat Ogre" Leadbelchers
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/rolb01.jpg

Tunnel Team marker
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/grtt01.jpg

BSB (still figuring out what to put on th estandard!):
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/bsble02.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/bsble01.jpg



The WIP figure below is a Warlock Engineer who had no backpack, so I built him one with brown stuff putty, bits of wire, watch gears, and a piece from the old doomwheel. That last bit keeps making me thing of Quake.

Warwolt the skaven
18-04-2007, 18:11
where the 'ELL did you get that lovely 7up!?

Roel?
18-04-2007, 18:23
Wow, those units of clanrats look really cool. Finally someone managed to make 'm look like a real mob, instead of.. well.. lots of models, hehe.

Coolest skaven I have ever seen!

ZeroTwentythree
18-04-2007, 19:26
where the 'ELL did you get that lovely 7up!?



:D

I made it in Phnotoshop one day after playing a game and singing the old Seven-Up jingle "Feelin' Seven-Up/I'm Feelin' Seven-Up" except I was singing it "Skaven-Up."

I hope you caught the list of ingredients and other fine print, too.

Paulus
18-04-2007, 19:32
Nice work Zero Twenty Three, like the unusal elements such as the Skaven Giant & Rat Ogre Lead Belchers!

I take this is either a Skyre/Moulder army? :)

ZeroTwentythree
18-04-2007, 19:46
Ideally, when the new books come out a Moulder list will be more playable, and that's what I'd like to do for regular sized games. I've tried "moulder themed" lists using the current book (prior to using the giant & leadbelchers, though) and they really have trouble winning games, since the only two official Moulder units are about the worst buys in the army. I'll post pics soon, but the smaller units of slaves also have Moulder packmasters at the back, whipping the various slaves forward like beasts.

speedygogo
18-04-2007, 20:16
Awesome work! I love your army especially the giant.

armos
18-04-2007, 20:20
Really really nice... the warlock engineer is a beautiful paintjob (well it's a beautiful paint job all round) and I especially like what you've done with the clanrats... they look like a swarm rather then a ranked up regimentally drilled unit which is very fitting for Skaven. The giant is gorgeous too... great job all round, can't wait to see more :)

Ps... is that the old (old OLD) Rat-Ogre model I see at the back of the clanrats? that was one of my favourite models back in the day :)

ZeroTwentythree
18-04-2007, 20:49
Ps... is that the old (old OLD) Rat-Ogre model I see at the back of the clanrats? that was one of my favourite models back in the day :)


Thanks all. Yes, that's one of the old-school rOgres. He fits nicely on a 20x40 base that takes the place of two regular clanrats. I usually use him to represent the champion. I've got another one with a grey seer as his bodyguard in a WIP diorama style style group base. I'll have to get a pic of that one...

kyussinchains
18-04-2007, 21:55
love it!

loads of inspiration for my own skaven!

unwanted
22-04-2007, 14:51
And why was I not informed of the awesomness that is your Skaven?

The Clanrats are awesome, kinda makes me think of protesters with rolling plexi-glass shields!

And the ltd. ed. Standard! I'd give my firstborn child for it! (Ideally, I would convert it into a Warlord, as it's how I would want mine to look...)

Bretagne
23-04-2007, 00:10
the giant is especially good. when the new rules and model i was skeptical about the skaven taking it, but your giant proved me wrong.

Zodiac
23-04-2007, 15:32
And why was I not informed of the awesomness that is your Skaven?

The Clanrats are awesome, kinda makes me think of protesters with rolling plexi-glass shields!

And the ltd. ed. Standard! I'd give my firstborn child for it! (Ideally, I would convert it into a Warlord, as it's how I would want mine to look...)

@ Unwanted: I remember someone who needs to pick up a thread !

@ Zerotwentythree: The shields are awesome! Really really great idea!
Wow !

ZeroTwentythree
23-04-2007, 20:28
Thanks for the comments everybody!



The oldest paint on any of my skaven figures is the 13 eshin troops I've already got done. They don't really match the look of the rest of the figures, so it's about time for an update. I've been wanting to increase the availability of eshin troops in my pool of skaven figures, and recently got a decent trade for some metal figures at bartertown.com. So here's the first batch, step-by-step (part 1). I picked out a bunch of similar figures to work on, since they will all be the same color anyway. This is a similar mass-painting technique used on the rest of the army.

01: Glued bases to magnetic sheet, then cut each one off. Cleaned, filed, and glued figures to bases. Primed them with brown "Rustoleum" primer.

02: Drybrushed fur areas with two shades of light brown. Quickly painted all flesh areas with a light flesh color. Painted brown leather dark brown, and painted wood with a sienna brown.

03: Washed all painted areas with W&N Nut Brown. Mmmm... W&N Nut Brown. Those aren't squirrels on the label, they're mutant bushy-tailed skaven.

The steps above were done quickly. I consider them to be the ground on which the rest of the figures will be painted, and not exactly part of the "real painting." But that basic prep work makes the rest of the painting go by quickly.

04: Flesh highlights. Started with the original flesh color, then gradually mixed in white. There are only about 3 layers of highlights on top of the base + wash. Tips of knuckles, ears, etc. get a small dot of white for the ultra-highlight. After the flesh is done, I give the area around all the eyes another wash of ink. When that's done, I paint all the eyes white, then give them all black pupil/irises.

05: Paint all clothing, weapon blades & other metal bits, teeth, claws, nets, etc. black... This step may take a while (compared to the rest), but once it's done it's all simple... to be continued...

unwanted
26-04-2007, 15:08
I can't beleve how crisp the painting is on those WIPs!

@Zodiac: I know! I will get cracking on my warlord in a week, but there's just been so many distractions and stuff...

ZeroTwentythree
02-05-2007, 18:40
...as I was saying...

05: Paint all clothing, weapon blades & other metal bits, teeth, claws, nets, etc. black. Even though this sounds like one of the simplest steps, it's time consuming and relatively boring.

06: First I painted all the teeth and claws. Teeth were done in two layers, claws in three. Started with a pale golden color on both. Then the claws got an antique white highlight, then both teeth and claws got a final white highlight. Seconfd step was all the black clothing. I started with a mix of almost entirely black with just a little grey and painted everything except the deepest recesses. Then I painted a couple more hightlights, mixing in a little more grey each time. Normally I'd rather blend black, but I've got a ton of eshin troops I want to get done, so I went with layering. I'm not going to overdo the layering, however, as black is a wiierd color to highlight and doesn't (IMHO) benefit from overworking the highlights. I include a pic of the back of the figures at this stage as well, since that area's mostly black. In this step I also painted the nets with a few layers of light brown. I didn't want to do more black/grey, but I didn't want them to stand out (they're sneaky assassins, after all), so I chose a color similar to what the bases will be.

07: Several small steps in one photo. I painted the metalic bits, which were mostly blades and armbands. A few little buckles and dangly trinket things. Painted the belts & pouches a reddish brown. Painted the bottles and gems green, then gave them the "sparkly" highlight thing. I'm still undecided about what else to do with the blades. Most of the rest of the skaven I have given a combination of rusty, green and bloody blades. I'm contemplating doing something similar, but going heavy on the green tint, since depending on which Eshin troops I use in a given battle, these may be gutter runners with poisoned weapons.

08: Used watered down PVA to cover the bases with ZeroTwentythree's Secret Spicy Blend of sand and rocks and other bits.

09: Basecoat of brown.

10: Drybrush two lighter layers for texture.

11: Add a Secret Extra Crispy Blend of Woodland Scenic flock. Extra pic showing the guys in the back.


So that's about it. I'll contemplate what to do about the weapons, as I mentioned. I'll give them all a clear cloat when I finish the rest. I've already started on the next batch of 10.

mrtn
03-05-2007, 17:57
Oh, if you'd only used [img] tags instead of attaching the pics. In that case you could also have the right pic just under the point in question.

But nice painting anyway. ;)

ZeroTwentythree
03-05-2007, 20:47
The main reason I was doing it that way is that when I'm browsing someone's plog, I hate waiting for all the old images to load up before I can see the new ones.

That and I'm not sure what kind of load I can put on a Photobucket account (since I use it for other things besides posting minis on Warseer.)

I might consider doing the images inline, though. I can see your point about having them in the step-by-step deal...

ZeroTwentythree
07-05-2007, 18:57
I finished the other 10 eshin figures, bringing me to 20 newly painted along with the 13 really old figures. I found 4 unpainted, plus Deathmaster Sniktch that I plan on painting next, along with stripping the old 13 and repainting them to match these new ones. I've also started modeling a second Tunnel Team marker, similar to the first. I'm considering doing two more, just in case I get any 5000 point games in sometime soon. ;)

I went back and touched up the sword blades a little bit. (They still look flat in the pics.) I tried painting the cast-on dripping poison in the same manner as a gemstone, with varying degrees of sucess. In the pic you can see the one to the right turned out better than the cetner-front guy. There are a few more with "poison" on them, but the swords are held low so are hard to see.

After I finish up with Clan Eshin, my plan is to work on a Screaming Bell, some more giant rats, then maybe finish some more slaves or start on the second unit of plague monks (though I'm growing less fond of them, tactically.)

Warwolt the skaven
08-05-2007, 09:10
And I call myself your bigest fan, damn. I should get more active ;)
Increditable! I can't give you any credit for that, you bviously was guided by the horned one when painting that! Its amazing!

mrtn
08-05-2007, 17:31
Nice painting.

The right most guy should get a basic lesson in swordsmanship, that's not your usual way to hold a sword. :rolleyes:

ZeroTwentythree
09-05-2007, 13:36
Nice painting.

The right most guy should get a basic lesson in swordsmanship, that's not your usual way to hold a sword. :rolleyes:


I think it's supposed to be a very very large dagger.



I spent a bit of time prepping a few figures for work, started painting and then got totally distracted. The Warlock Engineer was calling to me, after weeks of sitting on the desk.

He's almost but not quite done. And I'm thinking about repainting the green warpstone-y bits. They didn't turn out how I wanted.

Paulus
09-05-2007, 19:08
I think the Warpstone bits look fantastic ZeroTwentyThree.

ZeroTwentythree
09-05-2007, 21:31
If I do repaint the Warpstone-y bits, I might try for something like the crystals on the base on this figure (not mine, obviously):

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79854

I really like the way he did those. My main reservation is that all the warpstone chunks I've previously done (relic marker, lightning cannon) are very very dark green, not glowey green like that.

unwanted
09-05-2007, 22:12
Woop, really nicely done Warlock Engineer there!

*Must... Return... to painting Skaven...*

ZeroTwentythree
13-07-2007, 19:27
It's been a while. Too many other things going on, and most of the painting I've been doing has been for other people. BUT, I have (slowly) worked on a temporary warlord. By temporary, I mean he's pretty much a stock figure until I get a chance to convert/sculpt up something a little more unique.


So here he is, WIP but 90% done:


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skvwld01a.jpg


The image was larger, but it looks like Photobucket cut the image size back. Sorry. I'm going to try attaching the full sized image below.



Also, I finally committed to a faction in the Nemesis Crown campaign:


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/nmss-crd.jpg



More photographic goodies! I was out on a bike ride and came across this stencil:


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/0707071806.jpg


I'm going to have to make it a point to try to incorporate something similar into the Skaven iconography. A standard, perhaps?

Paulus
13-07-2007, 19:42
That's fantastic ZeroTwentyThree, I love the armour & especially the sword! :D

Zodiac
13-07-2007, 21:22
ZeroTwentyThree, that Warlock is fabulous!
The warpstone parts are ace, and his goggles are really, really neat too!
The warlord is also really great!, glad to see that you changed the head. This one ( from the night runners if i'm correct ) looks very nasty indeed!
Also, if that weapon of his, is an attempt at making it look like a Fellblade, then consider your mission succeeded!

Edit: that is one kewl weapon :p

Cpt. Drill
13-07-2007, 21:59
Wow man! Thats a beautiful army!

I really like the lead belchers and the giant! Very unique!

Keep up the good work!

ZeroTwentythree
16-07-2007, 16:38
I hadn't initially intended it to be the Fellblade, but after I painted it I thought it looked pretty ominous and that was the first weapon I thought of too. I don't generally equip anyone with the Fellblade, though. Mainly I wanted a magic weapon that would stand out from the other figures.

It's been quite some time since I assembled & primed the figure, but I think the head might be the the same one that came with the figure, but with the big spikey thing removed from his head/helm.

As for the goggles, back when I played 40k my first army was a very large Eldar army, so I got a lot of practice painting the gems, which are kind of similar to other glass or glass like objects.

I'm hoping to get back to work on the army in the near future. I want to (finally) put together and paint a screaming bell. That is one of my next goals. I'll do the newer one first, but plan on using a different grey seer. I don't like the one that came with it. I'd like to make a few more changes to it, like some extra slaves, more rats, more smaller bells, etc.

FatOlaf
18-07-2007, 16:17
Excellent work there fella, keep this plog up.
I will be staying tuned...

ZeroTwentythree
07-01-2008, 14:02
I've been wanting to make a themed turn counter for a while, and suddenly got inspired. The base is a wood disk, with magnetic sheet glued on the bottom (my skaven all have magnetized bases) and a hole drilled in the center. I textured the base like the army's bases, then did a thin wash of black on 3/6 wedges. That still wasnn't contrasty enough for me, so I made some lines with a a couple washes of dark brown between each of the 6 wedges. I addd dots (1-6) like pips on dice, though I am considering painting over these and changing them to scratch marks -- or something else more Skaveny. The skull is between the 1 and 6. It was cut off the standard that was eventually glued above (zombie regiment standard?)

The Skryre engineer, his seat (including the pole), the glowy base and the little globe bits on the side are all from the old Doomwheel figure. I hate the Doomwheel anyway, and had already used the big wheels for my messenger (for certain old scenarios) figure. There are some plastic shield bits on the sides. The banner, as I said, is possibly from the zombie regiment. The gears at the bottom (there's actually 2) are from an old CD drive from an old computer I smashed & skavenged for bits to use in models. One of the gears was mounted on a sturdy metal axel, so this holds most of the assembly together (I drilled holes through it all).

So the Skaven/Skryre magine fits snugly into the hole in the base, but can rotate so it points towards the current turn number.

All this grew out of a simpler concept. I was going to use an old Grey Seer figure, which is pointing. He would rotate on a (slightly smaller) base and point towards the turn number. Then I thought of the gear and a larger base, and he would have stood on that gear. Then I thought, "well, maybe I should use an engineer, since there is a gear... and maybe he should have some crazy machine..."

I will start marking my wins and losses on the banner. Or maybe just my wins.




http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/turn04.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/turn03.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/turn02.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/turn05.jpg

beefpizza
07-01-2008, 17:58
That turn marker is really cool! good use of the old bitz

Zodiac
07-01-2008, 19:05
That turn marker is really cool! good use of the old bitz

Quoted for the truth!

Prince Sairion
07-01-2008, 19:54
Tis all looking very good mate, I envy your patience when painting rats, I just couldn't stand the brown.

The turn marker is a stroke of genius, next up lifesize warpstone tokens :D

Looking forward to the future of the thread and the screaming bell . . .

ZeroTwentythree
07-01-2008, 20:43
Thanks for the comments!




next up lifesize warpstone tokens :D


I stole someone else's idea of using jellybeans or other candy when possible -- and actually eat them when the grey seer uses them!




Looking forward to the future of the thread and the screaming bell . . .


Oooh that bell... I keep pulling it out, looking at it, then putting it back. I want to do something a little more than just assemble it as-is. But the conversion idea hasn't come to me yet...



BTW, I keep meaning to comment in your plog - you guys are great (both the painting and the commentary.)

Gekiganger
07-01-2008, 22:43
I stole someone else's idea of using jellybeans or other candy when possible -- and actually eat them when the grey seer uses them!

Gareth Hamilton iirc

Not overly fond of the Engineer but everything else is fantastic. I'm having to restrain myself from opening the batallion box I've been saving for my second skaven army, very inspirational work.

mrtn
08-01-2008, 13:56
Rats!
He's back... nice model. :)

Kraal_Lord_Of_Blood
09-01-2008, 17:56
Nice turn counter mon'
Might nick the general idea of it for mah orcses ;)

Tehkonrad
12-01-2008, 14:28
that is so awesome-pure winnage

ZeroTwentythree
14-01-2008, 13:21
I didn't paint anything else this weekend, but I did repair a few broken tails in preparation for a RTT in Columbus, OH at the Guard Tower (about a 2.5 hour drive for me.) I think there were 24-26 players. I ran into a number of familiar faces from all over Ohio & Indiana. (Maybe Pennsylvania too?) Armies were set at 2250, with quite a bit of variety. I think I was the only Skaven player. I saw most of the other armies represented by either one or two players. I think the only things I didn't see was a mortal chaos (though there were beasts and demonic legion) or dark elves.


This is all going from memory, two days later, so it may not be 100% accurately remembered, but basically...

((EDIT)) I posted actual battle reports in the appropriate forum, here:

http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123217


On the horizon... the owner of the local game store was talking to me about playing some larger point games, so that night I dug out (once again) one of my Screaming Bells. I'm determined to leave it out on my desk until I assemble & paint it. I'm personally of the opinion that it's not worth taking in games under 3000 points, but as soon as I can get some games in at that point level, I want to be ready to use it. :D Of course, I should paint a new escort unit for it as well... something with all sorts of skavenbling.

Next post will have pics not babbling, I promise.

Drakemaster
17-01-2008, 13:03
May I make a suggestion for the next post? Army pictures. If you have that entire armylist painted, I'd love to see them all together - nothing quite like a well painted horde army...

Kraal_Lord_Of_Blood
17-01-2008, 13:40
What the drakeman said :D

unwanted
18-01-2008, 05:42
What the others said about pics...

And out of curiosity, why 43?!?!

ZeroTwentythree
18-01-2008, 13:47
OK, I don't have any "studio" type army shots right now, but I can post a pic or two from a tournament almost a year ago. It's a 2250 point army, but slightly different composition than the list I just posted.

Deployment shot of Clan All-Out-of-Bubblegum against a treemonic legion:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/game1-a.jpg


Aerial shot (from the dwarven gyro-cam) a couple turns in, after the banner of burning hatred drew my plague monks out into a bad position...


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/game1-b2.jpg


43 slaves? Well, I've got enough to run 46 in each unit (or one giant unit of 92!) so I start at that point and then trim back if I need some of the points for something else (in the current list I had to find a few more points for a second tunnel team, for example.) I find that the really huge units can become a bit of a bear for my enemy to deal with head-on. There are so many of them you need to pour too much missile & magic fire into them to try to deal with them that way. Their static CR is +4, and they take a lot of casualties before they lose ranks, so they actually stand a chance of doing OK in combat. Any wounds they cause (heh heh, on unlucky IC knights, for example) are just an unexpected bonus for me. At just under 100 points, they're still acceptable to throw away as bait, but they're just big enough to make them a bit more difficult to ignore, even as bait.

unwanted
18-01-2008, 18:19
Ok, that actually makes sense...

I'd prefer no Skaven block to number less than thirty at the very least, so I'm totally with you here, as it's greatly in character, and as you demonstrate, very useful in-game...

It was just the exact number that puzzled me initially ;)

Prince Sairion
18-01-2008, 19:41
Is that a rat ogre or some kind of rat-giant next to the rocks in pic2?

Looks good whatever it is.

ZeroTwentythree
18-01-2008, 20:01
Ok, that actually makes sense...

I'd prefer no Skaven block to number less than thirty at the very least, so I'm totally with you here, as it's greatly in character, and as you demonstrate, very useful in-game...



Yeah, they're strange numbers and I could probably trim them even further, but I like the huge blocks. I agree about the 30+. I've heard people say that I could take fewer monks, but I agree 30 is a minimum for most skaven R&F units, even if just for being in-character.



Is that a rat ogre or some kind of rat-giant next to the rocks in pic2?


If you go to the first page of this plog, the first entry has a couple links to pic of him. He's a giant, with a clan Moulder packmaster on his base as well. :evilgrin: Actually, if you search the forum, I posted WIP photos as I sculpted him.

HKR
19-01-2008, 20:59
I would love to know where you scored the skaven BSB, as I've been looking for one for months now. Did you just get lucky on ebay, or did you snag one when it was available? (When was it available?)

HiveTrygon
20-01-2008, 18:45
I've been trying to keep away from skaven to wait for my new daemons and vampire but you have me drooling for them right now. That self sculpted back pack is my favorite skaven conversion EVER! I love it. :eek:

ZeroTwentythree
21-01-2008, 16:29
I would love to know where you scored the skaven BSB, as I've been looking for one for months now. Did you just get lucky on ebay, or did you snag one when it was available? (When was it available?)



I traded for it @ http://bartertown.com/ . Between Bartertown, eBay and especially some of the collectors for whom I've painted commissions, I've discovered I can usually get my hands on the hard to find models. It just requires some patience sometimes.

It was not in the best of shape, though. Part of the top of the banner pole had been cut off and it was glued together with a bit too much glue, so I had to put a bit of work into cleaning it & converted the top to hide the chopped bits (I assume the guy I got it from was working on a conversion anyway.)




I've been trying to keep away from skaven to wait for my new daemons and vampire but you have me drooling for them right now. That self sculpted back pack is my favorite skaven conversion EVER! I love it. :eek:

I know that the next skaven book is still probably at least 2 years away, but most of my own skaven purchasing is on hold until then. I might pick up a few figures to round out some units, but of all the GW ranges, I think skaven are the most in need of a revision. The existing figures have been done over several editions of the game, some of which go all the way back to Marauder in the early '90s.

I think most of their newer skaven are generally improvements over the older ones (though I'm still fond of the original series of Goodwin figs from the '80's) so I am hopeful that a new range will not only look better, but have a more consistent look.

I don't want to sound discouraging... and the difference being that I've had a very long time to play Skaven already. And they really are a fun army to play, with a great concept & background, etc. But if it were me, I'd probably wait on the eventual revision for Skaven.

Also, as far as going for a nice-looking skaven army, you have to be OK with the fact that a really in-character skaven army is going to look somewhat bland compared to many of the other races, IMHO.

HiveTrygon
22-01-2008, 02:39
I agree to some extent. I love the gutter runers and some of the plastic rat ogre stuff, but agree that the clanrats are not the best. The plaguemonks are nifty and so are the stormvermine. May be your right and I should wait it out, or may be I'll suclpt some of my own. :evilgrin:

lorcan
22-01-2008, 09:46
You sir are a damn fine painter loving your gutter runners, keep up this amazing blog.

Cheers

Lorcan

ZeroTwentythree
28-01-2008, 13:19
So in a fit of inspiration or motivation or something like that, I assembled & painted the bell, the base, the bell-ringer and one of the grey seers that may ride the bell. I have drilled a hole in the top platform and added some more "boards" (plasticard cut & carved to match the look of the wood grain) so that I can put any number of grey seers on top and remove them as I need to. Each seer will have a pin sticking out of their lower surface. I've painted the one shown -- the psychedelic seer -- and I've pinned & primed Thanquol.

So here's the pics. I was having camera issues so some of them suck. I didn't really make any major conversions. I wanted to, but inspiration just never came to me. I still have the old 5th ed. bell, so I may end up converting that one in some crazy way.

Somewhere between painting the rust and the blood splatters I decided to start painting dots. Then when the bell itself was finished I really liked the "enchanted" & glowy look it gave the bell. I thought I'd try somethingn wierd in the seer and you can see the results -- not quite as sucessful. He may end up stripped & repainted, but I will probably paint a few other seers first. I'm not sure I like the bone look on his knife, either.

This was my first time trying out the patina look on copper/brass/bronze metal and I'm fairly happy with it. I think I got rid of a little too much of it when I started highlighting back up with the metallic colors, but it still looks pretty good if I may flatter myself.

I had thought about trying to make the large bell look like warpstone but abandoned that idea. Instead, I tried to make the striker's hammer look like warpstone -- black on the outside & edges, but glowy-green on the cracks/inside. I'm also pretty happy with that, although it's not showing quite as well in the photos.

I don't like the grey seer figures that came with either of the bells, so I don't know if either of them will actually get painted up.


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/scrbell01.jpg



http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/scrbell02.jpg




http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/scrbell03.jpg




http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/scrbell04.jpg

ZeroTwentythree
28-01-2008, 13:20
More pics...


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/scrbell05.jpg




http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/scrbell06.jpg




http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/scrbell07.jpg

jsmelquist
28-01-2008, 15:48
Your rats are absolutely fantastic, I like your very clean lined and intricate approach to create the nasty mess that Skaven are, Well done!

unwanted
28-01-2008, 15:51
Cool, really good to see that ancient figure in use, like it better than some of the overly busy new ones (Though the regular seer on foot and pointing is probably my alltime favourite seer....)

mrtn
28-01-2008, 17:13
Nice to see some action here again. Good work on the bell. :)

ZeroTwentythree
28-01-2008, 17:38
Cool, really good to see that ancient figure in use, like it better than some of the overly busy new ones (Though the regular seer on foot and pointing is probably my alltime favourite seer....)

You mean the one I use for my user avatar? I like him too. :D

The two reasons I don't like the one that came with that bell are that he's posed really strangely so that he looks like he's in pain and more importantly, he doesn't even look like any of the other skaven figures.

I don't know why GW has chosen to be picky and consistent with some lines of figures, but just doesn't seem to care about the skaven. As far as I can see, there are quite a few "styles" of skaven available:

0. Original Jes Goodwin figures. I think these have mostly been worked out of the current line.

1. Marauder skaven. Currently represented by the globadiers and fire thrower. Larger and more stiffly posed than most of the rest of the range. (Not sure if the Marauder censor bearers have been entirely replaced by the lustria PCBs.)

2. Special Characters. I think these were later Jes Goodwin sculpts. I'm not sure which ones are still part of the current range besides Thanquol.

3. Monkey-looking plastic clanrats and night runners.

5. Mordheim & gutter runners. IIRC the assassins, gutter runners & night runners (#3) were released around the same time. (I think.) Still, the gutter runners & assassins have slightly different (better, IMHO) proportions than the night runners.

4. Stormvermin. Faces look different. Stiff looking with basically one pose.

5. Current skryre/warmachines. Ratling gun, jezzails, WLC look consistent with each other, but not alot of the other figures. Lean figures, look pretty close to the eshin gutter runners & assassins, IMHO.

6. Plastic plague monks. The Moulder handlers look similar.

7. Lustria/Pestilens troops. Heroes & censer bearers. Shaggy looking. Bulky with goofy poses, IMHO.

9. Characters. These look all over the place, IMHO. The two engineers look like the skryre figures (#5), I mentioned the Lustria heroes (#7) and the special characters. The others seem to be a mixed bag that have come out at various times.



I just don't get it. Strangely, they've redone the giant rats and rat ogres something like three times without bothering to update the WFT and globadiers, which must be some of the oldest models (early to mid 1990s?) still sold as part of a current range. In fact, other armies have had thier entire ranges redone several times since the skaven really got a full overhaul.

Like I said, I find their apparent lack of concern with a unified look & scale for this range baffling.

Sorry. Rant over. :D

I'm just a big skaven fan and have been since I started back in 3rd edition. And honestly (attention GW! spending alert!), I'd drop a whole wad of cash on new figures, in spite of all the figures I already have, if they'd come out with some really good new figures that all look like part of the same range.

Kaos
28-01-2008, 20:38
That Bell makes me wanna start a skaven army too but i have sworn to not start a swarm army again! Damn you for making it itch! :P

Prince Sairion
30-01-2008, 19:12
I have to chuckle to myself when I see the pics of your rats, they are hilarious in a 'fit the background and nature of the army perfectly' manner. Really looking good.

The Grey Seer in the multi-coloured cloak is great, he looks very much the megalomaniac!

FurryMiguell
31-01-2008, 15:05
fantastic painting! good work! though im not so sure about the greyseer in the multicoloured cloak. I, uh *cough*, I kinda enjoy the darker greyseers. This one it too 'disco' for me:p. Though i bet hes all the female rats fevouritte;)

Cheers:D

forgottenlor
02-02-2008, 08:01
Your screaming bell has alot of character. I just love the barricades around it. It just adds to the black humour of the skaven. The grey seer is magnificantly painted as well. The symbols on his robe are fantastically done.

Reik
02-02-2008, 23:52
WOW just WOW I love your work. The SBell i stunning. Frankly saying the rest of the army looks also stunning. Keep Up the GREAT my I reapt it one more time...GREAT work...

Feefait
04-02-2008, 13:32
You suck! lol I used to be so happy with my Skaven! Now I need to put thema way in shame... hehe Really, really awesome. I've seen a lot of Rats in my time playing but these are the best. From the clanrat shields to the giant to the gutter runners... I love the clanrat shields especially because it looks like they erupted from some farm in the middle of the empire and just grabbed what they could and swarmed out. Or tore apart some wagons they had over run and scavenged everything. So damn cool. How did you do the giant, green stuff?

Anardakil
04-02-2008, 17:30
Great looking bell :)

FurryMiguell
04-02-2008, 21:22
word:p

Cheers:D

ZeroTwentythree
19-02-2008, 13:39
Not much done recently as I've been working on a few things for other people and continue to get my Marienburg army painted.

I've got a tournament this weekend (BASHcon) and over the weekend one of the two boxes that holds my army FELL. Only about a foot, but it landed sideways and many of the figures ended up piled up on one side of the box. As luck would have it, there wasn't too much damage and I repaired most of it last night, though I need to make a few paint touch-ups.

While I had the glue out, though -- and maybe it was the fumes -- inspiration hit...

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/jez03.jpg

Converted jezzail prototype no. 1, codename: Fred. He took way too long to build, but I could probably do the next one a bit more quickly. If I follow up on this and make some more, the nice thing will be that they will all be a bit different.

I have to figure out what to do about the pavise holder. I have some of the old 3rd ed slaves (standing sideways, shield in front, club or sword held behind) that would work perfectly, but I've just barely got enough left to field them as a unit of actual slaves. The current plastic ratmonkeys look a bit too big and awkward to fit on the base with the jezzail, though.

I've been thinking about a second unit of jezzails for large point games. Initially I had been thinking about a second unit for the 'Ard Boyz tournament, but I'm not sure I'm even going to play since it sounds like everyone's planning on turning it into a major cheesefest. :rolleyes:

ZeroTwentythree
25-03-2008, 18:52
Just a small update:


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/swm01.jpg

Haha. Get it? Small? Rat swarms? Heh... uh... :eyebrows:

Rat swarms. I've had them sitting around forever, but finally painted them up. Why? I'm not sure. They suck somewhere on the scale of rOgres, but without looking cool.

On the horizon, however, I'm almost finished with another unit of 25 old old school slaves. Here's a WiP peek:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/slv01.jpg

I need 25 more slaves and 30 more clanrats minimum for 'Orde Boyz 2008. I want to bring the biggest army I can to the WFB 'Ard Boyz tournament, and it's quickly approaching!

FurryMiguell
25-03-2008, 19:26
Small:p. that joke was almost as weak as my jokes are;)

nice painting! I have all my skaven stashed away so that i wont see what a reat painter you are compared to me:p

The old-school slaves looks way better then the new ones (which are actually clanrats used as slaves...)!

Cheers:D

EvilMonkee
25-03-2008, 20:11
Think I got something like 70 of those old metal 'Slaves' which are in fact listed as Clanrats in the old 3rd Edition book!!!

ZeroTwentythree
25-03-2008, 22:26
There was some crossover in the old books, but all but one of the guys above have iron collars around their necks and I think a few wrist or ankle collars too. I equate that to slave. I used to have more, but traded them off ages ago. Kicking myself a bit.

Although, I actually liked the slaves that were briefly done for 6th ed. (I've got somewhere around 90 of those and would love to find more.) They were a little smaller & thinner and more slaveyer. Is that a word? Probably not in English, but it sounds like a Skaven word.

I'll post pics of both old & new slaves in the next day or two.


'Orde Boyz 2008!

(My new battle cry! :evilgrin: )

ZeroTwentythree
26-03-2008, 13:22
A lower angled photo of the rat swarms, so you can see the rocks & grasses I added to give them a little more depth. I had 6 swarm pieces, so split them up, added some giant rats and made 4 bases.


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/swm01b.jpg



25 skavenslaves, as previously mentioned, pretty old models. The guy in the left front rank is the standard bearer from 6th ed. prior to the actual army book being released. instead of putting the banner top on the pole, I added a bell from the current plastics for an simple slave musician with a "bell on a stick." I didn't have the full 25 slaves I wanted, so I added a couple giant rats and the center guy in the back rank is an old whip-armed moulder packmaster turned "slavemaster"


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/slv01b.jpg


So, just 30 clanrats and one more tunnel team marker in order to hit my 'Orde Boyz minimum.

Mind you, I can already field the 3500 points. Just not with a big enough horde. Need... more... core...

(Just noticed my 'Orde Boyz Plan B army actually has 13 core choices!)

unwanted
26-03-2008, 19:55
Cool, those old figs was some of the first I ever bought for Skaven...

And lol@13 core :D

Braad
27-03-2008, 08:13
Very sweet. I always felt a bit of love for the swarm from below... If only two horde armies were not too much for me.

Anyway, I really like the conversion you made with the giant and the leadbelchers. So much better than adding just plain standard figures to an army where they might not fit.

Fraggzy
02-04-2008, 10:24
realy good painting and cool regiments!

ArmiesofArcanaPainting
02-04-2008, 11:34
Hehehe, the clanrats massed behind the wall of wood were the best.
Shielding done the Skaven way. 2 and a half inches of chariot part, get through that ya suckers!

Am I the only one who finds the old skool slaves really really cute?

ZeroTwentythree
16-04-2008, 15:39
I've used magnetic bases on my figures for some time now, with metal lined boxes for transport.

Here's the start of my attempt to streamline the packing/unpacking of my armies in addition to magnetized transport.

From the top down, we have:

Figure components:
1. Miniature.
2. Base (basswood or plastic.)
3. Sheet magnet.

Movement tray components:
4. Galvanized steel (20 ga?)
5. 2-ply chipboard (cardboard.)
6. Sheet magnet.

Transport components:
7. Galvanized steel.
8. Bottom of box.


In the photo, I've got 25 of the old lead skavenslaves glued on basswood bases. The move tray is incomplete (no edges yet.) The figures & movement tray assembly is hanging on the side of the refrigerator.

I figure my refrigerator is probably large enough to fit a 1500 point game on it. Now I need magnetic terrain. ;)


So basically, I can pull the units out of the box, already on their movement trays, and ready to in minutes. With any luck, there will be no more long prep time of unpacking and setting up Skaven or Empire horde armies. (Well, as soon as I finish all the movement trays... and magnetizing the Empire bases... And paint more figures...)

The plan is to have this all ready for the 'Orde Boyz tournament this weekend. Otherwise I don't think I can be ready for games in time. ;)

'ORDE BOYZ!

mrtn
16-04-2008, 17:25
In the photoWhich photo? The one in post #73, or what?

ZeroTwentythree
16-04-2008, 18:52
:o

Whoops!

Er...

This photo:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/mgbsmg.jpg

Reik
16-04-2008, 19:38
Thats the best fridge magnets I've seen:D But seriously thats a very good way to store horde army IMHO makes life easier:D

ZeroTwentythree
16-04-2008, 20:41
Not as good as you might think. The hinge side of the fridge is right against a wall & window. Someone opening the door a little too enthusiastically would put my army through the glass and out into the yard. :eek:

Besides, I would never feel like the cheese inside was safe.

ZeroTwentythree
17-04-2008, 18:16
Not the best shot, but a group pic of 3500 points of the army for an 'Orde Boyz warm-up game yesterday.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/skaven/ordeBset.jpg

FurryMiguell
17-04-2008, 20:06
now THAT is rats! They look great lined up like that!

Cheers:D

Warlord Ghazak Gazhkull
17-04-2008, 20:11
Great looking stuff:), the army is stunninf and massive. This really makes that I want to paint my own skaven horde( not again a horde).

Greetz
G

N810
17-04-2008, 21:33
Whoops!

Er...

This photo:

look more like Lemings then skaven...

Ahhhhh...... (splat)


Good thing they got magnetic feet :D

jhon
21-05-2008, 06:30
how many rats ?

Cycorax
28-05-2008, 15:50
I'm not much of a skaven fan, but i certainly do love your models! Keep it up!