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Crassus
26-04-2007, 17:18
i've been playin inquisitor for a while now but i have never actually bought a proper inquisitor scale model. tell me what you think and what your warbands actualy are

Hlokk
26-04-2007, 19:46
40k stuff. You can do a warband for about the price of 1 inquisitor model, and more people take part as everyone I play with has those scale models.

Charax
26-04-2007, 20:08
54mm proper Inquisitor models wherever possible. I've played a few games with 28mm, but that was mostly because of the terrain or other factors

Sarison
26-04-2007, 22:34
i have about 60 28mm models scupted, primed, painted, named, and statted (if its not a verb it should be) for Inquisitor. I have sisters of sigmar with bolt guns, and Eldar farseer with a Bretonnian peasant head and a cyber eagle, and im looking for a box of Empire militia for a civilian conversion project: one box cadians or catachans, one box empire, two eggs, one cup flour, one cup milk. mix, beat, bake on low and you get every single cilivain or alter ego character you could possibly need. i made a Sam Fisher model out of a Imperial Guard tank crew. ork arms plus necromunda ganger equals mutant. 28mm and not a glance back.

Elcampbello
26-04-2007, 22:50
54mm till I die!

Odin
26-04-2007, 23:43
I've not played many games of Inquisitor yet, but I've always used 40K scale so far - wider range of models and I already have most of the models anyway. But I do want to have a go at making some Inquisitor scale models some day (maybe when I win the lottery).

MindSlave
28-04-2007, 09:23
I play a Nurgle Daemon Prince, made with a combination of the normal rules and a few from the "Alien Bounty Hunter" rules I found on the Inq website. For the model, I just use a 40K Nurgle Daemon Prince, converted to have a Mahooosive(!!!) axe...

The Judge
28-04-2007, 22:20
40K range, just for the ease of other people... I would go 54mm myself, and have done, but a lot of people who only want to try it prefer to just use one of their 40K miniatures.

It can get dull proxying or fighting the same three mutants every week as well.

Bretagne
28-04-2007, 22:36
well, i bought 2 inquisitor models (Malicant and Delphan gruss) for 20$. the larger models require larger terrain for the game to be interesting. normally we use 40K models to combat this.

hopefully this summer ill be building some tall buildings out of refridgerator boxes this summer. ill post some pictures if i do.

the nrugle demon prince model is a good idea, what do you use him for, MindSlave?

Sarison
30-04-2007, 06:02
you better make that cardboard cut out mighty thick, cuz there is no way you are getting Sgt. Stone onto some rooftop, not after what you did to him with the headphones.

Bretagne
30-04-2007, 06:43
what are you talking about?

Scanno
30-04-2007, 12:09
Sarison, if you want to talk about your own campaign make a thread for it; don't hijack other threads.

I have a few official models (Tyrus, Gruss etc), and used to use them. Haven't played Inquisitor in years, but if I ever return to it I'll be using 40k models, they're much easier and cheaper to convert, and to get your hands on.

chromedog
30-04-2007, 12:16
While I have 14 54mm figures (all bar the scale Judge Dredd are =I= ), I usually play in 28mm. My group has an extensive collection of terrain for 40k or necromunda, so we get to use it.

I'll do an occaisional 54mm game, but for the most part, everyone has 28mm scale figures. It's easier, and since the majority are plastic, conversions are easy. And if they're metal, well, that's what dremels are for.

swamp_slug
30-04-2007, 14:20
Currently playing with 40K scale, we get more players for the campaign, all of our terrain is in 28mm scale and between myself and the campaign's organiser we have in excess of 400 other models

Sarison
30-04-2007, 23:09
Chromedog, having played both versions, which do you prefer?

MindSlave
04-05-2007, 17:24
Kinda late to Bretagne, but anyway. I use the nurgle daemon prince to represent a sort of chaos space marine turning daemonic. lots of the daemonic powers, but very weak against someone who knows what theyre doing (silver stakes... ouch!) Have to limit the stats to around that of a normal inquisitor for the sake of fairness, or he simply slaughters my opponents.

inq.serge
04-05-2007, 18:22
In the begining, I was going to start 28 scale,

but then I saw how cool 54 was, and once I got 54, I never got back to 28.

I love 54.

My everything-o-mania and my love of 40k veichles and my love of 54 has spawned things normal people wouldn't know was possible.

Sarison
05-05-2007, 04:22
Mind Slave, ill relay the info to him.

What do people that Play 54mm use for terrain? do you scratch build your own? do you buy relay expensive stuff? do you but really cheap stuff? something in between?

starlight
05-05-2007, 04:38
I own many 54mm models, but they are for a long planned Inq diorama.

If I was ever to *play* Inq, it would likely be at 28mm, simply because I have the models and terrain. I would need a fairly good core group to game with before I'd consider a whole new scale.

Sabbad
08-05-2007, 17:50
28mm, would never remotely consider anything else.

Inquisitor is about the game and the background, the models really don't matter to me as much. Plus nifty conversions and paint jobs are easily achievable at 28mm scale.

Charax
08-05-2007, 18:56
Mind Slave, ill relay the info to him.

What do people that Play 54mm use for terrain? do you scratch build your own? do you buy relay expensive stuff? do you but really cheap stuff? something in between?

You'd be surprised how much 40K terrain can be used for 54mm - the CoD terrain appears to be designed that way.


28mm, would never remotely consider anything else.

GW judges Inquisitor's popularity through sales of 54mm models.

More popularity = more support, more support = more suppliments and models.

Congratulations, by refusing to even consider using 54mm models you're actively killing the game. Well done.

Sabbad
08-05-2007, 22:06
I have no intention of throwing away money on something for which I get no material reward. If I wanted to do that I would donate to charity, which GW is not.

I don't need GW's help to enjoy a game of Inquisitor. GW clearly has no intention of bringing out anymore Inquisitor supplements. Fanatic Online will continue regardless of how many 54mm models are sold. Oh, and guess what? I DON'T CARE if GW doesn't make anymore Inquisitor models, because I don't play at 54mm scale!

Sarison
08-05-2007, 22:20
Wow, sabbad, tell us how you really feel.

however i tend to agree. even having bought INQ models, i still feel regected by them for not trying to change it.

lets face it: they made a bad business decision. good for modelling and painting guru's but pretty abismal for the rest of us. and as a person who falls into "the rest of us" category, i feel no obligation to save their sorry collective ass (not sure what the plural of "ass" is, so i went with the singular).

and as for the popularity, it died. its gone. it was a blip, a bump on the radar, a bright flash in the constilation of millions of flashes. Kinda like the life of a Guardsmen that way. Rumors of someting new to replace it are already out.

so please cut the bandwagon "save INQ" crap. and dont try to guilt trip us. as you can see, Sabbad obviously has no soul.

Sabbad
08-05-2007, 22:53
Sabbad obviously has no soul.


Lol, consider that sigged.

Sarison
09-05-2007, 22:32
Yes! Ive been quoted! My path to Domination of the Warseer forums has begun!

mistahsmoovelegs
09-05-2007, 22:37
You'd be surprised how much 40K terrain can be used for 54mm - the CoD terrain appears to be designed that way.



GW judges Inquisitor's popularity through sales of 54mm models.

More popularity = more support, more support = more suppliments and models.

Congratulations, by refusing to even consider using 54mm models you're actively killing the game. Well done.

haha. personally, i dont think we need GW's support. a decent collection of miniatures, rudimentary modelling skills and alot of imagination can make INQ better than any "supported" game.

mistahsmoovelegs
09-05-2007, 22:39
You'd be surprised how much 40K terrain can be used for 54mm - the CoD terrain appears to be designed that way.


and the city of death terrain is way too small to be alot of fun. i think a refridgerator box with slats inserted for the floors would be alot better

precinctomega
16-05-2007, 09:29
I have about 40 54mm models - mostly GW's own range, but also an increasing number from other manufacturers (Pizarro Miniatures new Black Anvil models have just captured my heart, big time). I have played Inq28 but not for several years. I've never had trouble using the same terrain from my wargaming club for Inq as for 40k. Trees are trees. Hills and hills. And the ruined buildings from Amera have enough headroom to work just fine at the larger scale.

Incidentally, quite a lot of Forge World's gorgeous ruined building terrain also works at 54mm, as well as CoD stuff.

R.

Kargush
16-05-2007, 14:01
I use 28mm for =][= gaming. I have enough 54mm to make a warband though. The thing is that most people have a lot of 28mm they want to use, and not spend even more on 54mm models. I just wish I could get to use my 54mm models some day... Just have to finish my two Inquisitors(one Radical and one Puritan, so I can have my pick), based on Eisenhorn and Covenant.

Angus
19-05-2007, 23:56
A quick question, when pepole play with 28mm, do you alter the ditances and sutch? making " into cm etc.

Sabbad
20-05-2007, 10:31
1 yard = 1/2 an inch is what we play.

Warboss Grimmtoof
20-05-2007, 23:27
I just started playing it about a week ago, and I find it much easier to start with 28mm stuff. I already have 15 guys specially made to be used in inquisitor for $20. I dont think I will ever change, just because the thought of one guardsmen for the price of a new Nurgle Daemon Prince scares me.
By:Charax - Congratulations, by refusing to even consider using 54mm models you're actively killing the game. Well done.
Uhhh... Didn't GW stop doing anything for inquisitor awhile ago?:confused:

precinctomega
21-05-2007, 21:58
Didn't GW stop doing anything for inquisitor awhile ago?

Well, they still manufacture the models - albeit not the entire range - for which, I suppose we should be grateful. And we recently had the new Thorian Inquisitor and Callidus Assassin released (I say recently, meaning "last year" obviously).

But, yes, basically you're right. But Charax's argument - given prominence in a recent article by Derek Gillespie in the Fanatic Online - is that the only way GW can judge the popularity of any given game-set is by tracking miniature sales. And if we assume that GW will give the most support to the games that make the most money, then the way to get new supplements and miniatures (or to get them to re-release some of the lost miniatures) is to let our wallets do the talking, by buying the 54mm models.

It's not a flawless argument, by any means. And there are some suspicions of a deliberate corporate policy to undersupport the Specialist Games until they die of asphyxiation, whatever we do. But it IS an argument nevertheless. If more people buy 54mm and clamour for the return of old models (a pair of the lost Imperial Citizens recently went for over 60 on eBay and they aren't even well-sculpted!) then GW may bow to public support.

If we all give up on 54mm and play Inq28 then they never will.

Anyway, 54mm's just better. I can't explain it. Try it, and you'll see.

R.

P.S. I didn't say there was anything wrong with Inq28. I've played it myself and agree that it's a good way to get into the game or to play it if you're antipodean (as they don't stock the 54mm range Down Under). It's just that 54mm is better. And that's all there is to it.

Warboss Grimmtoof
22-05-2007, 01:32
I agree that 54mm is better, just because the larger models have more character and detail. But the fact that GW can only find out which games are popular by sales is not true. They could put a poll on their website, and I bet that inquisitor would demand some attention.

starlight
22-05-2007, 02:15
Unfortunately polls don't translate into models sold, which is the only way to fund the wages and materials needed for support.:(

Kargush
22-05-2007, 10:49
A quick question, when pepole play with 28mm, do you alter the ditances and sutch? making " into cm etc.

We use cm instead of inches.

The great thing with using 28mm miniatures is that you can use the Space Hulk floor plans for underground facilities. I've done so in 2 games, works like a charm. For me anyways.

Sabbad
22-05-2007, 17:50
I did a bar room brawl at 28mm scale using the board from the Ork Bar Room Brawl freebie game.

Yuuya
22-05-2007, 18:49
i only use 28mm minis,some even converted from other company.but...hey as long as it looks good.

Sir_Turalyon
23-05-2007, 08:57
There is no point in using models in Inquisitor. I use it as proper p&p RPG.

Charax
23-05-2007, 09:20
How is that even possible? Inquisitor has no rules for personal interaction or non-combat abilities that are present in every other RPG. It's about as much of an RPG as Warhammer Quest.

Inquisitor is a combat system. Dark Heresy is an RPG - you'll see the difference when it's released.

Kargush
23-05-2007, 10:47
How is that even possible? Inquisitor has no rules for personal interaction or non-combat abilities that are present in every other RPG. It's about as much of an RPG as Warhammer Quest.

Inquisitor is a combat system. Dark Heresy is an RPG - you'll see the difference when it's released.

Could always use freeform rp-ing. And yes, =][= is a combat system. A friend of mine doesn't like it, he sees it as a miniature game trying to be a rpg.

precinctomega
24-05-2007, 10:20
he sees it as a miniature game trying to be a rpg.

Then he should try actually playing it. Allow me to quote myself on the Black Industries forums, answering the question "Is Dark Heresy going to be better than Inquisitor?"



You might as well ask "is it going to be better than Battlefleet Gothic?" They're different games with different mechanics and different philosophies. Having recently run the latest Warhammer World event for Inquisitor (Inquisitor: Dark Fortress), I put thirteen players and over thirty different characters through a compelling campaign that ran from initial rumours to bloody climax in under six hours. Another case in point was the Dark Stars 2006 campaign, Inquisitor: Architecture of Hate, which took two days to run two tightly-plotted back-to-back campaigns for about a dozen players.

Neither would be possible in 40kRPDH.

But at the same time, 40kRPDH offers a far more immersive experience, where characters don't recover from wounds with a wave of the GM's hand, and where the next step is uncertain, the next move unplanned. If a 40kRPDH GM sat down with his players and announced "right, we're going to play five scenarios this evening" he'd quite rightly be deposed and humiliated, because DH is at least as much about the journey to each dramatic moment as it is about playing out those moments.

Inquisitor is a narrative skirmish game, not an RPG. It's all very well to take the combat system from Inquisitor and 'port it into an RPG of your own design (but why the hell would you want to when it's so damn buggy?), but that's not the same thing as "playing INQ as an RPG".

A narrative skirmish game has more in common with conventional skirmish games like Mordheim and Necromunda (and 1st Ed 40k). The additional element is that the characters aren't merely voiceless ciphers at the whim of the players, but possess their own agenda and motivations. A good game of INQ requires the players to look beyond the exchange of fire to those character motivations, as it is these that elevate INQ to being, in my opinion, the apogee of the tabletop gaming experience (bugs and all).

R.

Kargush
25-05-2007, 12:41
Then he should try actually playing it.

He made that remark after he played it once. Maybe it was my GM-ing, who knows...

Daredhnu
30-05-2007, 11:54
i use the 54mm models only for nice eyecatchers if i had some people willing to play the game i'd use 28mm models for that.

probably should start bugging my friends to build a Inquisitor & warband.

i have a very cool converted radical inquistor with spikes and a deamon weapon still need to paint him though

Sir_Turalyon
30-05-2007, 12:09
he sees it as a miniature game trying to be a rpg.

I see freeform RPG trying to be miniature game...


Inquisitor has no rules for personal interaction or non-combat abilities that are present in every other RPG.

Personal interaction should be roleplayed anyway - if player uses bad pickup line, character he gets his face smacked no matter how good flirting skill he has. Most of not-combat issues and abilities can be worked around using characteristic rolls, character history and roleplaying. Unless you play computer RPG, where they are needed.

Besides, personal skills of Guard veteran can be easily predicted by GM. Not to mention desperado or chrono-gladiator.

Inquisitor has too much potential to be reduced to use as narrative skirmish game. Not only because buliding storyline only to allow two inquisitors shoot each other on the street is a waste of storyline, but because serious inquisitors have better things to do then shooting each other in first place. It's like hunting ducks with SAM battery. Especially when SAM battery is given as pdf, but using it to hunt ducks requires converting, modelling and board buliding. I like all these things, but see no point in doing them to make game less interesting. Extra effort to get inferior results?

precinctomega
04-06-2007, 10:33
Inquisitor has too much potential to be reduced to use as narrative skirmish game. Not only because buliding storyline only to allow two inquisitors shoot each other on the street is a waste of storyline, but because serious inquisitors have better things to do then shooting each other in first place.

Because of course the only possible premise for a scenario is to have two inquisitors shooting at each other...

Go read Architecture of Hate.


if player uses bad pickup line, character he gets his face smacked no matter how good flirting skill he has.

Damn, I'm glad I don't RP with you. Ever consider that sometimes a player's character might be naturally wittier, more charming and more intelligent that the geek playing him?

R.

Crassus
29-06-2007, 23:53
sorry for late post - didn't realise this thread was still alive

but anyway, i'm not that bothered if they stop making inq stuff because people will keep creating unoficial rules which can fun. plus with 28mm scale, you can have bigger fights, there is more scenerary options (cities of death is excellent i have to say, realy themed) and coversion is easier, funner and the size of proper inq models in metal look hard to build (and i can't pin for my life). it's easier to convert to 28mm since inches are turned to cm. since i play at 28mm, i have four warbands (one merc, one puritanical, one military and one chaos) which were nice and easy to make plus necromunda models work well, especialy for bounty hunters and enforcers.