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redbaron998
05-05-2007, 03:19
What do you think would happen?

Now of course we dont know what company but just assume it would be one of the growing better run gaming companies. Privateers press etc...

I know this is a sticky subject so If I went over the limit I apologize

Shallowain
05-05-2007, 03:31
I simply don't assume that one of those smaller companies could afford to buy GW. Most certainly it would be one of those big companies and from their side I would not expect anything good.

redbaron998
05-05-2007, 03:36
Well at the point of time I am thinking GW would have already run down the game enough to sell it so it wouldnt be outragous

starlight
05-05-2007, 03:42
None of the above.

A Management Buy Out would result in mostly business as usual.

An external buyout (takeover) would result in more boardgame style games like Space Hulk, but *much* less support for Specialist Games in order to get mass market appeal.

The IP would be milked for Video Games and such. Black Library would likely continue basically untouched as would ForgeWorld.

Importance of ranking (ie what the new owners support) would likely go: LotR (because they know what it is), 40K (simply for current cashflows), WFB, everything else.

What we know as GW would basically stop with the current Editions.

dodicula
05-05-2007, 03:44
They've already "sold out" but if you mean bought by another company, I doubt it would improve things as any company with the cash to buy them is unlikely to "get it" more than GW

grickherder
05-05-2007, 05:51
They've already "sold out" but if you mean bought by another company, I doubt it would improve things as any company with the cash to buy them is unlikely to "get it" more than GW

It's doubtful that there is any group of investors with both the cash and the understand of what gamers want, but sometimes, however rarely, companies listen to their customers.

I think starlight's ideas sound pretty reasonable. More games that are more boardgame-like. They'd likely want to break back into the main distribution channels.

As for another miniature company suddenly having the reigns to GW's games-- that could go any direction.

snurl
05-05-2007, 09:08
Clickey based space marines, anyone? :evilgrin:

fwacho
05-05-2007, 10:44
I'm still waiting for the prepainted space marines (I would assume ultra marines and tyranids (like mechwarrior). I know this hobby is about painting but when your product is pretty to begin with you can reach more players.

Gaebriel
05-05-2007, 13:59
As mentioned, any other current wargaming company is way off of having the financial power to buy GW - even if the sharprices keeps dropping. The gap is huge, and as the other companies grow they will encounter the same snags GW has in the past (and now).

So I think basically, no company with a gamer's heart (ie understands the market) will have the money to jump in in the near future, and any company that has the money will see it as a money-gathering investment - so not faring better than GW at the moment.

Brandir
05-05-2007, 20:53
There is only on company that can realistically buy GW:

Hasbro.

If that happened, we would see more boardgame type products that can sell in Toys R Us.

The shops would be sold off or simply closed.

We would see the introduction of a professional tournament series.

We would see pre paints.

Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay would be scrapped and a d20 version would be produced. The Warhammer World would merely be another campaign in the D&D world (like Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms or Eberron).

40KRP would be put on hold and a d20 version done.

Templar Ben
05-05-2007, 21:27
There is only on company that can realistically buy GW:

Hasbro.

If that happened, we would see more boardgame type products that can sell in Toys R Us.

The shops would be sold off or simply closed.

We would see the introduction of a professional tournament series.

We would see pre paints.

Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay would be scrapped and a d20 version would be produced. The Warhammer World would merely be another campaign in the D&D world (like Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms or Eberron).

40KRP would be put on hold and a d20 version done.

Yeah and I think the 40K would be just like D20 Modern and SW so it would be a fast turnaround.

Would that be good though?

Huw_Dawson
05-05-2007, 21:41
Hmmm... Hasbro most likely would buy GW if something really bad happened, but I have to pick a few holes in this arguement:

Firstly, I would see it far more likely Hasbro would amalgamate GW and WoTC to get an uber company o' doom, than them - completely farcically - ripping the company to shreds for no apparent gain. (Amalgamate is the wrong word perhaps - we'd see alot of resource sharing)


If that happened, we would see more boardgame type products that can sell in Toys R Us.

A good thing. Imagine new versions of Space Hulk and Warhammer Quest available - that's a very likely outcome (although they may only go for SH - They already have a very WQ game in DnD board game version...)


The shops would be sold off or simply closed.

Laughable. Sorry, but Hasbro would probably keep the shops open with a buisness-as-usual attitude. Slowly, we'd begin to see a change in the stores as WoTC and Hasbro begin to put their stock into the storespace also... DnD is now properly available in Britain. Not complaining here.


We would see the introduction of a professional tournament series.

We already have one, except for the fact it has no cash prizes. Just open a few tourneys with cash prizes and your done really. It's a plausable concept at least.


We would see pre paints.

No. There is no buisness sence in this, and Hasbro and WoTC are not complete idiots that they'd make pointless changes. GW has an inbuilt minature making machine, so it would actually possible we'd see the reverse of this - DnD models getting plastic sets.


Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay would be scrapped and a d20 version would be produced. The Warhammer World would merely be another campaign in the D&D world (like Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms or Eberron).

40KRP would be put on hold and a d20 version done.

Erm... no. Hasbro didn't suddenly scrap Magic: The Gathering and release a Top Trumps version when they bought WoTC. What they did was keep everything together, along with the majority of the design teams, to keep the game running.

Hasbro buying GW is unlikely, but probably the best thing GW fans could hope for in the circumstances. We'd see effectively what happened in the TSC collapse of 1994 - a slight blip then buisness as usual, bigger and better than ever.

- Huw

RobC
05-05-2007, 21:58
I've already railed against the idea of Hasbro buying GW in another thread.

Suffice to say that, for a whole host of reasons (not least of which being that no company should control that much of the market), a Hasbro buy-out would be absolutely dire.

Templar Ben
05-05-2007, 22:10
Curious. In which thread can we find your reasons, Rob?

Hasbro also makes Heroscape.

I think if Hasbro bought GW they would keep 40K and WHB running they way they do currently until they release a new edition. I would not be surprised though if they did produce a pamplet that gave d20 type rules for your current games.

RobC
05-05-2007, 22:27
Here (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1529742&postcount=19)

I could elaborate, I suppose. But in essence I believe GW's IP to be so intrinsically tied to the UK and its assorted writers that, removed from the controlling influence of Rick P and the other vaguely acceptable members of Design Studio, it would lose the essence of what makes it unique. And Hasbro would most definitely kill WFRP for a D20 version.

Templar Ben
05-05-2007, 22:36
Thanks.

I agree that it would take on a different flavor over time if GW was bought out. I don't know that it would be all bad.

I also think that GW would go d20 to some extent. I think it would be modified to move faster since the current d20 games (for D&D and Star Wars) are based on having 10-12 minis on each side. WHFB would totally become a new D&D world as well.

I personally don't think Hasbro would touch GW unless the price got far better than it is now though. The stores are not too valuable since Hasbro would rather have other people run the stores (something they learned when WotC had retail sites). Not sure what would become of the production facilities although I am sure Hasbro (which owns Milton Bradley btw) could find some use.

ashc
05-05-2007, 23:13
Brandir made all pretty much all the points I would have made.

Ash

Grimshawl
07-05-2007, 21:34
I dont know, at this point I'd be willing to wait and see what some other big company would do with GWs IP, the assumption that any company with the money to buy a struggling GW is inherently doomed to not be able to run Games Workshop or use its IPs any better than GW itself does seems flawed to me, this is the same as arguing that GW is doing the absolute best that is possible and I just dont buy that type of Hyperbole.

Bob5000
08-05-2007, 22:21
On a narrower slant ..
Maybe proof readers could be afforded , and a drive started to fix the many rules anomalies ...

sheck2
09-05-2007, 01:32
Here (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1529742&postcount=19)

I could elaborate, I suppose. But in essence I believe GW's IP to be so intrinsically tied to the UK and its assorted writers that, removed from the controlling influence of Rick P and the other vaguely acceptable members of Design Studio, it would lose the essence of what makes it unique. And Hasbro would most definitely kill WFRP for a D20 version.

Why do you think Hasbro would radically change GW's IP?

They'd buy it because its core competency can make money...this is the writers, designers, etc. currently employed at GW...the question is whether those writers would stay...not whether Hasbro would sack them all. yes GW's management woudl go, but are they what make it unique?

I do not think you would see a radical departure from where it is now except in how it runs the business, distributes, and possible ties in with other systems (Fantasy or 40K clix products as a mass market test...)

You do not buy the goose and try to change it into a duck...you let it lay eggs and try to sell those eggs differently, but still as goose

Stella Cadente
09-05-2007, 01:45
X company is not as blooted and would fix many bad financial descisons and improve growth

heck I think anyone can do better that GW